NHL 2K10: First Look (Gamespot)

[baa7]

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2k have been making great sports gms for the longest and honestly we need to give them a break. Have anyone played any EA SPORTS TITLES LATELY!!!! No offense but EA has been putting out alot of crap over the yrs and while 2k have minimal resources, a smaller studio to work with and a smaller fan base, THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO PUSH THE BAR WITH THEIR GMS!!!!!

If you surveyed OS gamers, the vast majority of would no doubt say EA has been putting out better games than 2K for a good 2-3 years now. The "smaller studio" excuse does not justify 2K continually and KNOWINGLY releasing buggy, half-finished games these past few years. If they're handicapped by a lack of resources, then they need to adjust their development objectives and marketing plans. But there's simply no excuse for releasing titles they know are broken -- that's inexcusable.

[JAYMO76]

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If you surveyed OS gamers, the vast majority of would no doubt say EA has been putting out better games than 2K for a good 2-3 years now. The "smaller studio" excuse does not justify 2K continually and KNOWINGLY releasing buggy, half-finished games these past few years. If they're handicapped by a lack of resources, then they need to adjust their development objectives and marketing plans. But there's simply no excuse for releases titles they know are broken -- that's inexcusable.

True but that's the state of modern games. I love Madden and NCAA Football but all next gen titles have serious issues. IN THE AGE OF THE PATCH MEDIOCRITY IS ACCEPTABLE! EA has dropped the ball just as much as 2K.

[Eddie1967]

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How do you figure it is a two year project? They worked on and released 2k9, and 2k10 will only be 2k9 with whatever changes they have made. It's only one development cycle (as usual).

Below is from an article I believe IGN, not sure what else I can tell you.

"but this is really a continuation off of that. If 2K9 was fun, but not quite there, it's because it was only half of the dev cycle in 2K's mind. As such, 2K10 is meant to be the fruits of two years of labor; not just a one-year quick fix update".

[savoie2006]

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Yeah, I think of 2K9 sort of as 2K's version of NHL 07, which was also a half realized idea; later much closer to being fully realized with NHL 08. We can only hope that 2K10 is as much of an improvement.

[texbuk84]

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Hey I agree, dollar for dollar I prefer 2k sports games. BUT... don't be too quick to bash KUSH. With the exception of the dynasty glitches, NHL 2K8 was the best hockey dynasty I have ever played. The depth was amazing. Will VC do the same things with franchise? I don't know. All we hear about is pick-up-and-play... and that's not what I'm looking for. As a gamer I want to get lost in a deep option heavy franchise/dynasty mode. EA won't give this too me... we all know that!

You are absolutely right I will NEVER dismiss what Kush has done as a company. they made to me also the best hockey game(dynasty wise) with 2k8 an mlb 2k7 is still one of the best baseball games I've ever played. On the contrary, VC is the king of Sports Gaming i.e. NFL 2k5, Top Spin etc.... this is what I mean about giving them some time and appreciate what they are doing with the series. Most people just complain and complain and I think that if I was a developer, this would be annoying and it could make you loose interest because no matter what you do SOMEONE IS ALWAYS COMPLAINING!!!! LOL

[Flyermania]

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Below is from an article I believe IGN, not sure what else I can tell you.

"but this is really a continuation off of that. If 2K9 was fun, but not quite there, it's because it was only half of the dev cycle in 2K's mind. As such, 2K10 is meant to be the fruits of two years of labor; not just a one-year quick fix update".

That's just a play on words....they had a full development cycle last time, but didn't have enough time to fit everything in --- just like every other sports title. They had the option of taking a year off (like EA did with NHL 07 when they went next-gen), but decided not to do that.

Regardless, it will interesting to see what happens with 2k10. I expect a lot more polish and a lot more improvements.

[JimmyDeicide]

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It is a play on words but by the time the decision to take over from Kush was made i believe it was a shortened development Cycle for 2k9.

[Eddie1967]

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That's just a play on words....they had a full development cycle last time, but didn't have enough time to fit everything in --- just like every other sports title. They had the option of taking a year off (like EA did with NHL 07 when they went next-gen), but decided not to do that.

Regardless, it will interesting to see what happens with 2k10. I expect a lot more polish and a lot more improvements.

That's cool, I am excited about them at least realizing that it was an unfinished product. The dynasty mode was boring, and they need to add the options the other games had. I would buy it anyway, but I'm hoping it has more depth to it this year.

[Flyermania]

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The dynasty mode in the 2k series always blows EA's away each and every year, and I expect this year to be no different.

[ohyeahbaby123]

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The dynasty mode in the 2k series always blows EA's away each and every year, and I expect this year to be no different.

So I guess you weren't too impressed with the new GM mode in NHL this year?

Anyways, 2k usually puts together a good franchise mode in all their games. Take NBA 2k9 for example.

[RealmK]

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The dynasty mode in the 2k series always blows EA's away each and every year, and I expect this year to be no different.

With the exception of 2k9 I agree, 2k's dynasty was always deeper, the problem was it has generally also been quite buggy, 2k8's trade finder caused franchise freezes, other issues have caused franchise freezes over the years etc.

If they can get all the options back in from the prior versions, and debug them to the point where you don't have to be afraid each choice you make isn't going to fubar your franchise I'd be content.

[original6]

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Of course, the depth of a franchise doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the gameplay does not keep you interested and challenged enough to complete even one season.

Fix the gameplay and franchise bugs first. Then worry about expanding the depth of the franchise.

[savoie2006]

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Of course, the depth of a franchise doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the gameplay does not keep you interested and challenged enough to complete even one season.

Fix the gameplay and franchise bugs first. Then worry about expanding the depth of the franchise.

Exactly, which is why I don't understand people wanting all these features, on both games. If the gameplay isn't appealing, what does it matter if you have all these killer, deep features?

[onlybygrace]

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With the exception of 2k9 I agree, 2k's dynasty was always deeper, the problem was it has generally also been quite buggy, 2k8's trade finder caused franchise freezes, other issues have caused franchise freezes over the years etc.

If they can get all the options back in from the prior versions, and debug them to the point where you don't have to be afraid each choice you make isn't going to fubar your franchise I'd be content.

I have to play 2k8 with injuries off...for obvious reasons.

It's always baffled me as to why this glitch has never been fixed. I mean...its one of those gamebreaking issues. Nobody wants to play 70 games into a season and lose it because of some roster error.

USUALLY, correct me if I'm wrong, but programing errors of this magnitude are fixed in the very next edition to a series...its been, what? 5 years?

Still...I'll probably buy it...and that says it all.

2k, you need to get this problem OUT of your series...and give us some damn info on your new game, for the love of god. NOW.

Feature list written in Word would suffice at this point.

[RealmK]

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I have to play 2k8 with injuries off...for obvious reasons.

It's always baffled me as to why this glitch has never been fixed. I mean...its one of those gamebreaking issues. Nobody wants to play 70 games into a season and lose it because of some roster error.

USUALLY, correct me if I'm wrong, but programing errors of this magnitude are fixed in the very next edition to a series...its been, what? 5 years?

Still...I'll probably buy it...and that says it all.

2k, you need to get this problem OUT of your series...and give us some damn info on your new game, for the love of god. NOW.

Feature list written in Word would suffice at this point.

See I was the same way last gen, EA's game was so far behind I would rather take the better gameplay with the reoccuring bugs over the arcade fest that EA's game used to be. Once that changed it was fairly easy to vote with my wallet and not reward 2k for failing to address reoccuring issues. 2k8's trade finder was nice, its too bad it was unusable due to it always causing freezes. Same thing with injuries since the AI teams were too stupid to fill roster holes correctly year in year out. It'd be one thing if 2k would patch post release issues like that, but they aparently can't be bothered to spend resources to do so, or market their games properly aside from NBA in the first place.

If they manged to fix all the outstanding issues with 2k10 along with major AI improvements I'll most definately pick it up, unlike NHL10 though it sure won't be an automatic day one purchase until I know for certain.