NHL 2K10: First Look (Gamespot)

[daflyboys]

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In my opinion, it is the most simulation hockey game ever made. With the right slider settings in human vs. human play, its easily the most realistic hockey game created yet. The depth of control (whether you were able to get accustomed to them or not) sets it apart. Especially on the defensive end, its bounds above anything done previously or since. The stick work in 2K8 is what really defines the realism. Your stick positioning actually matters in that game, both defensively and offensively.

For you to roll your eyes at that comment means your probably never played 2K8 with good simulation sliders, or if you did you didn't play it against like-minded simulation style opponents.

But you know I have played 2K8 extensively and in regards to your human to human competition, it's passable because of the pro stick control and quicker responsiveness to the slide block, but the defensive position was matador. And without responsiveness to switch to a defensive player you wanted quickly, walk-ins were welcomed. 2K8 was hit first, stick check later as well.

I still hold that 2K9 could be set up better in H v. H play. I think it's going to seen as a good base for what 2K10 will be.

[Flyermania]

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You have no basis for this comment. I assume you're basing it off the little PR tagline in the preview, but marketing is not always indicative of what a game will be like, especially with sports games, and especially with 2K Sports as their marketing teams have never seemed to get it.

You have no idea what the game will look like or play like. Its really early to be making comments like that. I can understand if you are basing it off of 2K9, but you also have to understand what 2K9 was. 2K9 was a product of a severely shortened development cycle. Kush was let go from the series after the development cycle had already started. Development moved back in-house to Visual Concepts, who then tried to salvage the code left behind by Kush. They eventually made the decision to scrap the code altogether and start over.

Realistically 2K9 was put out as-is, and was more an early development version of what 2K10 will be. Its not fair to base the series off of 2K9, especially considering 2K8 was the most sim, realistic hockey game ever created.

At least give them a chance to show the game before making up your mind about the direction of the series. You might be pleasantly surprised by what you will eventually see

Actually, I'm basing my comment on how this series has gone downhill since 2k3/2k5. Cinemotion, players' breath, etc., not to mention the game crippling bugs that have stayed in the series for years without getting fixed. The "short development cycle" excuse has been used over and over and over again with this series. At some point the series needs to be recognized for its own shortcomings.

I will download the demo and see how it goes....I bought 2k9 and just didn't care for it. That's fine that you feel 2k8 is a great game...for me, it was another disappointment. I loved the 2k series from 2k3-2k5, but as of recent years it has turned into a demo/rent first scenario for me personally.

[RealmK]

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In my opinion, it is the most simulation hockey game ever made. With the right slider settings in human vs. human play, its easily the most realistic hockey game created yet. The depth of control (whether you were able to get accustomed to them or not) sets it apart. Especially on the defensive end, its bounds above anything done previously or since. The stick work in 2K8 is what really defines the realism. Your stick positioning actually matters in that game, both defensively and offensively.

For you to roll your eyes at that comment means your probably never played 2K8 with good simulation sliders, or if you did you didn't play it against like-minded simulation style opponents.

I don't play 2k's series online so I'm stuck with the boneheaded constantly out of postion, check happy, drive to the slot mentality asstastic AI. 2k8 offline is about as sim as The Bigs. I tried all the sliders, Venom's and the like and its impossible in 2k8 much like 2k9 to make the AI play positionally sound hockey.

If this is remedied for 2k10 then sure, I'll buy it day one and prolly love it just like I'm sure I'll love NHL10.

I completely agree with Flyer on this, 2k3 and 2k5 were something special. Since the move to next gen the game has taken 1 step forward 2 steps back every year since. Franchise freezes year in year out, control changes every year (2k10 looks to be no exception to that either)

But like I said, for me, if the AI is majorly improved, the sliders actually work and I can find a control method similar to EA's game I'm sure I'll enjoy it for what it is. No game is perfect, EA's game is far from it as well. Theres no reason what so ever there can't be two good hockey titles to play. 2k needs to drop the excuses (shortened dev cycle, lack of funds to market properly) stop letting the PR dept dictate the direction of the game's programing and man the frak up already.

[savoie2006]

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I'm with Flyer on this one. The 2KHockey series has really gone downhill since 2K5. That's not to say that each of the last four installments haven't had their stengths, but overall each has been lacking overall. Mostly due to poor AI, but the presentation has also lacked big time.
2K8 was my favorite next gen 2KHockey game, but again the poor defensive AI, lack of penalties, and clunky controls, took away from it big time.
2K9, took away too many key elements that made 2K8 great. Plus the graphics just didn't do it for me.
I really hope 2K10 is the best next gen game for this series yet. I'll definately rent it and If I like it enough, buy it along with NHL10.

[statum71]

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The game will include support for multiplayer franchise mode and 2K Share will be implemented across all versions of the game.

One of the things I wanted to hear. Hopefully both hockey games have it this year.

[Eddie1967]

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You have no basis for this comment. I assume you're basing it off the little PR tagline in the preview, but marketing is not always indicative of what a game will be like, especially with sports games, and especially with 2K Sports as their marketing teams have never seemed to get it.

You have no idea what the game will look like or play like. Its really early to be making comments like that. I can understand if you are basing it off of 2K9, but you also have to understand what 2K9 was. 2K9 was a product of a severely shortened development cycle. Kush was let go from the series after the development cycle had already started. Development moved back in-house to Visual Concepts, who then tried to salvage the code left behind by Kush. They eventually made the decision to scrap the code altogether and start over.

Realistically 2K9 was put out as-is, and was more an early development version of what 2K10 will be. Its not fair to base the series off of 2K9, especially considering 2K8 was the most sim, realistic hockey game ever created.

At least give them a chance to show the game before making up your mind about the direction of the series. You might be pleasantly surprised by what you will eventually see

Excellent post. The usual suspects do this every year. Bash and rehash the tired lines before the game comes out. I liked 2k8, but I would say 2k9 was the best hockey sim ever created. After how good 2k9 was I have the utmost faith in VC to take this game to another level. Thank god we have a choice.

[Flyermania]

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Excellent post. The usual suspects do this every year. Bash and rehash the tired lines before the game comes out. I liked 2k8, but I would say 2k9 was the best hockey sim ever created. After how good 2k9 was I have the utmost faith in VC to take this game to another level. Thank god we have a choice.

So we can only post an opinion on 2k if it's a good one? Otherwise it's "bashing"? I've purchased every 2k hockey game since 2k2, including 2k9. I'm also glad we have a choice --- there's no doubt EA wouldn't have made positive strides with their game without 2k's influence. I just want to see 2k get back to what made this series great at its peak (2k3-2k5).

Not everyone is going to share your opinion...but that doesn't make it "bashing".

[joker75]

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Great ! Two hockey simulators this year sounds awsome ! thx 2k

[Scottdau]

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It is hard to take some guys serious when you are on EA's nuts so much. I think that is what it all comes down too. Any time any one says they think this game is better, here comes the EA's nutters. Even if this is not the truth it just looks like that. So I think that is why some people have a hard time. And you nutters know who you are.

[Flyermania]

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It is hard to take some guys serious when you are on EA's nuts so much. I think that is what it all comes down too. Any time any one says they think this game is better, here comes the EA's nutters. Even if this is not the truth it just looks like that. So I think that is why some people have a hard time. And you nutters know who you are.

The same could be said about certain people being on 2k's sack as well. What's the problem with pointing out constructive criticism on the 2k series as long as its done in a mature fashion? The EA forum is full of the same type of stuff...their game is far from perfect as well. What makes OS a great place is the fact that sports gamers can come together and discuss the pros and cons of these games without having the fanboy b.s. become a part of it.

I've owned and played both games for years, so I feel my opinions are just as valid as the next persons.

If somebody doesn't like reading criticism of their beloved 2k game, then maybe they need to read & post exclusively over at 2khockey.net --- that place will make any 2k fanboy ecstatic.

[Scottdau]

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The same could be said about certain people being on 2k's sack as well. What's the problem with pointing out constructive criticism on the 2k series as long as its done in a mature fashion? The EA forum is full of the same type of stuff...their game is far from perfect as well. What makes OS a great place is the fact that sports gamers can come together and discuss the pros and cons of these games without having the fanboy b.s. become a part of it.

I've owned and played both games for years, so I feel my opinions are just as valid as the next persons.

If somebody doesn't like reading criticism of their beloved 2k game, then maybe they need to read & post exclusively over at 2khockey.net --- that place will make any 2k fanboy ecstatic.

Oh yeah I agree big time. I am just pointing it out and joking to at the same time. I think both games are going to produce this year.

[Flyermania]

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Oh yeah I agree big time. I am just pointing it out and joking to at the same time. I think both games are going to produce this year.

I hope you're right...2k9 had a lot of things it did right, so hopefully they can build on that for 2k10 and beyond!

[Scottdau]

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I hope you're right...2k9 had a lot of things it did right, so hopefully they can build on that for 2k10 and beyond!

I am actually really like this game a lot. I mean 2k9. So it wont take that much for me to like 2k10. So we shall see.

[baa7]

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The same could be said about certain people being on 2k's sack as well.

Funny how whenever Eddie shows up, these threads suddenly break down into people having to defend their comments and opinions.

[baa7]

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I assume you're basing it off the little PR tagline in the preview, but marketing is not always indicative of what a game will be like

It was with MLB 2K9. They used the same tagline about appealing to the "pick up and play" gamer. And what happened? They dumbed down both the gameplay and options in 2K9. They removed a step in the pitching process, and they removed the step-influence feature from the hitting system. They also removed sliders critical to the fine-tuning of the gameplay, as well as editing features such as stances and pitch type/speed ratings. Nothing to do with "basing" opinions. Everything to do with stating the facts.