Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

[Pared]

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Fantastic post, HM. That's the type of posts we need here at OS, not the ones that typically litter the forum.

[DC]

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One last thing, lock-on D challenges a shot without jumping

So is that why when I am in an offensive player's face (not holding down L Trugger) and he shoots, my player doesn't even put a hand up?

Because there have been many times I got upset at the game because I am playing nice solid on ball defense and they shoot and my player doesn't put the hand up. I always thought if I was THERE, my defender would get a hand up.

So what do you suggest? Once I see him about to start shooting to press L Trigger so I can get a hand up animation?

[Pared]

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Yes, that's exactly why.

If you're not locked on, then you must challenge the shot using the block button.

FYI, EVERYONE on the board said last year that if you are locked on, the player should challenge the shot automatically, including you. I remember you, specifically, saying this and they included it this year.

Short term memory....

[TMagic]

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Bravo HM. Bravo.

[DC]

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Yes, that's exactly why.

If you're not locked on, then you must challenge the shot using the block button.

FYI, EVERYONE on the board said last year that if you are locked on, the player should challenge the shot automatically, including you. I remember you, specifically, saying this and they included it this year.

Short term memory....

LOL No you have it backwards. I actually complained when the game challenged shots (jumped) for me when I was using lock on Defense.

[timid]

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So is that why when I am in an offensive player's face (not holding down L Trugger) and he shoots, my player doesn't even put a hand up?

Because there have been many times I got upset at the game because I am playing nice solid on ball defense and they shoot and my player doesn't put the hand up. I always thought if I was THERE, my defender would get a hand up.

So what do you suggest? Once I see him about to start shooting to press L Trigger so I can get a hand up animation?

Yes, this is what you have to do........I don't have a problem with getting the animation, but sometimes its not effective.....

[DC]

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I can't go back that far in the search engine.

But I know I was upset that my player jumped when I was using lock down defense when I didn't command him to.

I also complained about the jab step moving me while I was playing defense when I didn't bite on it myself.

I have no issue with it if it doesn't make me JUMP, but that was the issue I had last year Pared

[Pared]

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Yes, and you said it shouldm't make you jump, it should just challenge the player.

I'm pretty sure I remember it clearly.

[Kully]

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Bottom line, the AI decides what happens, and then the animations try to show that, not the other way around. For example, blocked shots. How many times has the ball went directly through your hand...or how many times have you seen a block where the guys hand was at least 2 feet away from the ball? The CPU has calculated the success or failure of the block with "behind the curtain" number-crunching based on whatever stats they use. Then the put it on the screen. The animation doesn't decide what happens, it's just showing you what the background calculations have determined happens.

The one part of this game that I don't really like. I don't like the feeling that sometimes, despite what I do on the court, the AI already has decided the shot will go in, regardless on how it is contested.

Otherwise, a good post.

[DC]

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Yes, and you said it shouldm't make you jump, it should just challenge the player.

I'm pretty sure I remember it clearly.

Oh ok we are saying the same thing then.

[DC]

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1. Pared do you think contesting the shot (not jumping) is effective?

2. How long of a window do I have to press LT and get the hands up animation from when I see the offensive player is about to shoot?

[Pared]

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Yeah, your player used to jump at a pump fake, and you were upset about that. And I agreed with you; He shouldn't.

Then everyone said he shouldn't buy the pumpfake but challenge the shot when locked on, using the one hand up animation. Boom, it's in the game this year.

But the 2k devs obviously don't listen or know anything about basketball.

[DC]

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[Pared]

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1. Pared do you think contesting the shot (not jumping) is effective?

2. How long of a window do I have to press LT and get the hands up animation from when I see the offensive player is about to shoot?

1. Honestly, I don't think it's as effective as it should be. It depends on the shot. Challenging a shot only seems to happen if the players "hand" area impedes the shooter's face, or "vision." That's why the two handed defense feels useless at times.

2. I really don't know; I know it plays out if you're locked on and holding towards the shooter. At least that's how I do it. It could just occur regardless but when the ball handler shoots, that's what I do.

[DC]

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1. Does "proximity defense" still exist in this series? I remember back in 2K5 if Ben Wallace was NEAR you while you took a shot, the probability of the shot going in decreased

2. I think we need to come up with ways the "hand in face" animation can be more effective. I will think of something soon. You have any ideas? If proximity defense isn't there anymore then I think that needs to be incorporated into the hands in face animation