Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

[fantasysportsguy]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

Every bit of negativity has been warranted in my opinion.

Why? Well, regardless of what you think about the actual gameplay, Almost every major feature upon release was flat out broken.

1. Editing Rosters made your game freeze. Can't do that.
2. Stadium Sounds were causing issues for folks. Can't do that.
3. Online Dynasty was disappearing, being hijacked, etc. Can't do that.

That covers every major "new feature" in the game.

Gameplay is an opinion. But in all honesty, the folks that are really tearing NCAA a new one in the AI department are not "9 post wonders". These aren't 12 year old Timmy.

Bill Abner, Bill Harris, Rhombic, etc. These are ESTABLISHED WELL RESPECTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS . And it's not like they think the game "is a bit easy on offense", etc. These folks, like myself, are saying there are MAJOR issues.

Again, it's everyone's individual tastes on gameplay, etc. But there is a very vocal..and IMO...very KNOWLEDGEABLE section of the NCAA community that is highly disappointed with what this game looks like right now . I agree, obviously, with Rhombic and Co. and I think that...pre patch..this game is an arcadish score-fest with horrendous Defensive AI.

Could Defensive AI be adjusted? Could the ridiculous speed cheat for offenses be toned down? Could a Defensive line actually play to their abilities instead of getting pancaked and stonewalled by All Pro Offensive lines at Akron and Ball State?

Sure they could. Will they? Who knows.

But it would be very reasonable to suggest that this launch has been one of the messiest, bug filled, AI deficient in memory.

Just my .02.

Post of the YEAR!!!!!!! Excellent job man, well said.

[g2thecore]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

Every bit of negativity has been warranted in my opinion.

Why? Well, regardless of what you think about the actual gameplay, Almost every major feature upon release was flat out broken.

1. Editing Rosters made your game freeze. Can't do that.
2. Stadium Sounds were causing issues for folks. Can't do that.
3. Online Dynasty was disappearing, being hijacked, etc. Can't do that.

That covers every major "new feature" in the game.

Gameplay is an opinion. But in all honesty, the folks that are really tearing NCAA a new one in the AI department are not "9 post wonders". These aren't 12 year old Timmy.

Bill Abner, Bill Harris, Rhombic, etc. These are ESTABLISHED WELL RESPECTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS . And it's not like they think the game "is a bit easy on offense", etc. These folks, like myself, are saying there are MAJOR issues.

Again, it's everyone's individual tastes on gameplay, etc. But there is a very vocal..and IMO...very KNOWLEDGEABLE section of the NCAA community that is highly disappointed with what this game looks like right now . I agree, obviously, with Rhombic and Co. and I think that...pre patch..this game is an arcadish score-fest with horrendous Defensive AI.

Could Defensive AI be adjusted? Could the ridiculous speed cheat for offenses be toned down? Could a Defensive line actually play to their abilities instead of getting pancaked and stonewalled by All Pro Offensive lines at Akron and Ball State?

Sure they could. Will they? Who knows.

But it would be very reasonable to suggest that this launch has been one of the messiest, bug filled, AI deficient in memory.

Just my .02.

Great post....

[pietasterp]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

Hopefully 2012 will see 2k back in action on the pro and maybe even collegiate level?

That will never happen. I've given up completely thinking that anyone other than EA will ever have any football licenses. As I said back in 2004, by the time the exclusivity deals expire, EA will be dictating the market, not the other way around.

But, get ready for a redux of the standard forum psychology 101, as Madden is just around the corner!!!

[Slapsack]

You guys are funny. This is a game. A video game. Its the same thing year in and year out. How serious do you all take it? I find the whining and complaining hysterical. I enjoy the game, its a good time waster; just like all games. If you disect something long enough you are bound to find imperfections. I don't care enough to alter the rosters after I downloaded the named players. I don't care enough to have "stadium sounds" or whatever in my game, and much less care in playing online dynasties with a bunch of video game pros. Its all about the fun, the other things that are presumed "broken" by most of the OS Community do not prevent me from enjoying the time I have when I play NCAA 09.

What I am having the ummm most fun, I mean hardest time understanding, is why the complaining. Is there some secret society that makes you spend a life savings on a game and when you buy you must play it for all eternity? I doubt it. If you think the game sucks, trade it, sell it on Ebay, throw it Lake Michigan, whatever. The game cost 60 bucks, not 6 million.

[thmst30]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

You guys are funny. This is a game. A video game. Its the same thing year in and year out. How serious do you all take it? I find the whining and complaining hysterical. I enjoy the game, its a good time waster; just like all games. If you disect something long enough you are bound to find imperfections. I don't care enough to alter the rosters after I downloaded the named players. I don't care enough to have "stadium sounds" or whatever in my game, and much less care in playing online dynasties with a bunch of video game pros. Its all about the fun, the other things that are presumed "broken" by most of the OS Community do not prevent me from enjoying the time I have when I play NCAA 09.

What I am having the ummm most fun, I mean hardest time understanding, is why the complaining. Is there some secret society that makes you spend a life savings on a game and when you buy you must play it for all eternity? I doubt it. If you think the game sucks, trade it, sell it on Ebay, throw it Lake Michigan, whatever. The game cost 60 bucks, not 6 million.

Please quit feeding the fire. If you enjoy the game thats great. Everybody has their own opinion and nobody is wrong. Also this is Operation Sports, home of hardcore sim sports gamers who DO care about everything you listed as not caring about. Realize where you are.:wink:

[PioneerRaptor]

The game isn't broken.

Just because you can't download a roster, doens't mean you can't play the game, just because you can't do Online Dynasties, doesn't mean you can't play Dynasty, Single Games, Campus Legend, etc.

The Defensive AI isn't broken either. Yes, at times they take horrid angles, however, I've also noticed them to make a lot of good plays myself. Could it definently afford to be tuned up? Of course, but it doesn't completely ruin the game. The Sliders work, partially, and they work enough to make the game more fun, I personally use the "100" Sliders, and have been held to 13 Points with Oklahoma before.

As for the Wide-Open Gameplay? What do you really expect when you use a high-caliber team? You're going to score all over a bunch of other, less-powerful teams. Throughout my entire season as Oklahoma, I dominated every game, my closest game being against Texas and Kansas State. However, come the end of the season, I only beat Missouri 20-13 in the Big 12 Championship, and I lost 28-17 to Georgia in the BCS Bowl.

So, yes you will dominate the Offensive side when you use good teams, but when you also go up against other high-caliber teams, it isn't that easy either.

As for lesser-caliber teams, I used both Western Kentucky and Oklahoma in that same Dysnasty. I went 7-6, Bowl Included, with Western Kentucky. Most of the games were real close, I got dominated I think 3 out of 6 of those losses, and I dominated about 2 of those 7 wins.

All and all, I had a very fun, and successful season. I didn't have problems with the game being too easy, because I was Oklahoma and pooping on Oklahoma State, like I should be anyways.

I understand you want to have good, close games a lot, as I do find those the most fun, but there's a point of realism the developers are trying not to cross. Yes, they want you to be able to use the #120 Western Kentucky and beat the #1 Georgia team, however, they don't want it to be easy. They want you to actually be challenged.

So, stop complaining when you win some game by huge margins, it's going to happen, that's College Football. Perhaps you should watch it more. Most College Football games are blowouts, unless they're games within the Top #25, or Upsets.

[thmst30]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

These noobs are really driving me nuts.

[PioneerRaptor]

Because name-calling makes you someone who's opinion should be listened to right? ;]

If you disagree with someone, perhaps you should actually attempt to formulate an argument instead of resorting to petty name-calling, otherwise you simply look like a fool ;]

[bears5122]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

The Defensive AI isn't broken either.

I present to you, Exhibit A:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-football.html

And you are correct. Just because every major feature of the game is broken doesn't make it a bad game.

[GiantKingNy]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

You guys are funny. This is a game. A video game. Its the same thing year in and year out. How serious do you all take it? I find the whining and complaining hysterical. I enjoy the game, its a good time waster; just like all games. If you disect something long enough you are bound to find imperfections. I don't care enough to alter the rosters after I downloaded the named players. I don't care enough to have "stadium sounds" or whatever in my game, and much less care in playing online dynasties with a bunch of video game pros. Its all about the fun, the other things that are presumed "broken" by most of the OS Community do not prevent me from enjoying the time I have when I play NCAA 09.

What I am having the ummm most fun, I mean hardest time understanding, is why the complaining. Is there some secret society that makes you spend a life savings on a game and when you buy you must play it for all eternity? I doubt it. If you think the game sucks, trade it, sell it on Ebay, throw it Lake Michigan, whatever. The game cost 60 bucks, not 6 million.

I'm not an E.A. defender but I am definitely an O.S. Defender and what this forum is about. Just like all the other gazillion hobbyists in the world that take their side interests almost as serious as their careers, this is a sports sim website created by people passionate about sim sports. And if you folly the reason why the guys/gals take it so serious, ask yourself this question, why is this board of great interest to game developers of all stripes?
Don't roll up on my board with some type of zen levity as if you're going to cure what ills us. Everyone knows why this community was started and why it is so respected and successful. You are right, we take it seriously, because many people do, but this is not a vacuum, and no one (maybe a few) are expressing themselves from a tunnel hidden from the rest of the world. So take your condescending words and skip to a "fun" website and hop along.

[867-5309]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

I'm not an E.A. defender but I am definitely an O.S. Defender and what this forum is about. Just like all the other gazillion hobbyists in the world that take their side interests almost as serious as their careers, this is a sports sim website created by people passionate about sim sports. And if you folly the reason why the guys/gals take it so serious, ask yourself this question, why is this board of great interest to game developers of all stripes?
Don't roll up on my board with some type of zen levity as if you're going to cure what ills us. Everyone knows why this community was started and why it is so respected and successful. You are right, we take it seriously, because many people do, but this is not a vacuum, and no one (maybe a few) are expressing themselves from a tunnel hidden from the rest of the world. So take your condescending words and skip to a "fun" website and hop along.

Your board? This website was created as a sim website dedicated to sim sports games?

Please excuse me as I step on your toes ever so slightly. As one of the many people who helped to build OS, I have to say you comments are full of falsities. Operation Sports, Steve Noah era, was created by a group of people who wanted to discuss SPORTS GAMES and not be treated as bastard children of sites like IGN. The majority of the people who came over to build OS came from sites like IGN who were tired of childish forums filled with people who would rather discuss sports games and the real life games we love to watch.

There was never any intention of creating some sort of super-sim bastion. OS covers all sports games, not just "heavy on sim sports titles." It grew on people who enjoyed all sports games, sim or arcade.

As OS has grown, like any internet forum you have a group of undesirables who seem to think the anonymity allows them to act like every 10 year old you see on Nanny 911, etc. Something must be this or that, otherwise you are an idiot. Basically, most threads after a game has released turn into political debates, replacing candidates with sim or fun, sucks or does not suck. After a few weeks things calm back down and more civil discussion as the biggest whiners, complainers and ban-stick haters tend to move onto the next game that will anger them to no end.

You want to do this forum a favor, lighten up Maynord. People have differing opinions and forums are in place to discuss them.

Sincerely,

Bdoughty (on-off member since 2001)

[mwjr]

Work is being done to help each other overcome the problems, and slider and music customization help is a hot topic.
Sliders are broken, Sparky.

It doesn't take die-hards (your words) to see the flaws in this game. The tone of this blog entry implies that those dissatisfied with the game are simply whining. While there is certainly some of that going on, the fact is that there are major problems with this game. (Seriously - when was the last time you've seen a defender actually run AWAY from a ball carrier?) These have been pointed out and validated the by newcomers and veterans alike.

[mwjr]

That will never happen. I've given up completely thinking that anyone other than EA will ever have any football licenses. As I said back in 2004, by the time the exclusivity deals expire, EA will be dictating the market, not the other way around.

But, get ready for a redux of the standard forum psychology 101, as Madden is just around the corner!!!

And it usually goes like this...

Demo is made available.
Demo gets downloaded.
Players play the demo.
Players LOVE the demo.
Players notice a few flaws in the demo, but believe they will be fixed with the real release.
Game is released.
Players purchase the game.
Players play the game.
Flaws are noticed and pointed out.
People gripe about flaws.
People gripe about gripers.
Patch is released.
Patch addresses a very minute number of issues.
Wash.
Rinse,
Repeat.

The only way this cycle will be broken is if people who typically buy the game on release date (like I used to) decide to wait for the reviews and rent the game first before buying, if you decide to buy it at all.

[thmst30]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

Because name-calling makes you someone who's opinion should be listened to right? ;]

If you disagree with someone, perhaps you should actually attempt to formulate an argument instead of resorting to petty name-calling, otherwise you simply look like a fool ;]

This time of year really really sucks here on OS.

[Darkleaf]

Re: Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

Your board? This website was created as a sim website dedicated to sim sports games?

Please excuse me as I step on your toes ever so slightly. As one of the many people who helped to build OS, I have to say you comments are full of falsities. Operation Sports, Steve Noah era, was created by a group of people who wanted to discuss SPORTS GAMES and not be treated as bastard children of sites like IGN. The majority of the people who came over to build OS came from sites like IGN who were tired of childish forums filled with people who would rather discuss sports games and the real life games we love to watch.

There was never any intention of creating some sort of super-sim bastion. OS covers all sports games, not just "heavy on sim sports titles." It grew on people who enjoyed all sports games, sim or arcade.

As OS has grown, like any internet forum you have a group of undesirables who seem to think the anonymity allows them to act like every 10 year old you see on Nanny 911, etc. Something must be this or that, otherwise you are an idiot. Basically, most threads after a game has released turn into political debates, replacing candidates with sim or fun, sucks or does not suck. After a few weeks things calm back down and more civil discussion as the biggest whiners, complainers and ban-stick haters tend to move onto the next game that will anger them to no end.

You want to do this forum a favor, lighten up Maynord. People have differing opinions and forums are in place to discuss them.

Sincerely,

Bdoughty (on-off member since 2001)

Are you not legend on here because of some online mental breakdown? I cant find the thread but you were mentioned by name with a bunch of other people with epic breakdowns.
Damn I cant find or think of the exact words used...
Funny stuff..