2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

[sirdez]

I thought I would start a separate thread for this!

Interested to hear of people's current experiences with the inside scoring system and how the game assigns contests. My gut feeling at the moment is that it is a little bit "off", in that the game is generously assigning contests based only on vicinity and isn't really taking into account whether the defender is in a realistic position to affect a shot.

Further it appears that smaller players are able to defend inside too well, when the size disadvantage should be minimising how much they can affect the shot.

A few examples I've captured over the last couple of days (bear in mind I am in the first season with an expansion team so my roster is not great). I play with a superstar base and with shot timing turned off for lay-ups:


Players missing easy shots with the defender out of position/late to contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEH4ThHjqBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRFXJEscHLM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtR6jzwpwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POlUTeUce9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAoJHdxr0p0

Players not being able to take advantage of a size advantage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmfqXhcJZmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXwS_ZLCyM

In terms of sliders, is it just the layup contest sliders (gather and take-off) I should be adjusting, or is there something else that would be affecting this? It really feels like they have taken away the ability to make close shots under any sort of pressure, which is not reflective of the NBA at all.

[alabamarob]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

Standing layup contests are overpowered. I would understand if the defenders had a high interior defense. However, smaller guards can force misses consistently. Shouldn't be this way.

[tru11]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

Standing dunks seems fine.

Standing lay ups are back to being useless regardless of who the defender is.


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[Bigrich170]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

The inside scoring is atrocious players miss even dunks in the paint at a crazy rate you can have a smaller defender guarding you and your player will miss I also notice playing online guys just use their center to help defense by standing in the middle because your post player will automatically miss the shot inside shots hit the backboard extremely hard it's a glitch it was like that towards the last patch updates in 2k23 have you notice that 3's and fadeaway 3's go in more than inside shots?

[DL1287]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

I feel like I’m way more likely to make a 50% contested 3 than a 15% contested standing layup. I was using the all time 76ers earlier and Moses drop-stepped the point guard he was on and missed an “open” layup. He has 98 shot close and HOF masher, he shouldn’t be missing shots like that.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

I feel like I’m way more likely to make a 50% contested 3 than a 15% contested standing layup. I was using the all time 76ers earlier and Moses drop-stepped the point guard he was on and missed an “open” layup. He has 98 shot close and HOF masher, he shouldn’t be missing shots like that.

This has been an exact problem in this game since 2k17 I believe. You're not gonna make a single standing layup unless you have a huge mismatch in size.

This is no exaggeration, you're much better off shooting 3s with AD than you are trying to make a standing layup from 2 ft out.

[alabamarob]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

They refuse to fix the help defense, so they fix the paint points by allowing this.

[sirdez]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

So, this still sucks massively...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubACHbIBV18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCBvTFqtvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U5o1XEa9M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_I8mXYPdw

The game is riddled with blown bunnies and layups because a defender holds an arm up, regardless of whether they are in a realistic position to contest. Sometimes all they need to do is hold an arm up behind the offensive player, or a couple of feet away, and it throws the player into a blown layup animation.

Bigs can't seem to finish over smalls either when you get a mismatch. I played the Sixers and Kings and managed to consistently get a switch of Vucevic onto Fox and Maxey, yet he couldn't finish over either in the post on single coverage after backing them right down under the basket. They weren't doing anything remarkable, just standing still with arms raised.

I also managed to hold Embiid to 4-15 shooting on single coverage just by virtue of having someone near him when he got low post position, causing him to blow multiple point blank shots.

I think this is as bad as it's been. I have the layup defense sliders set to 50 - do I need to set them abnormally low, or is this just how the game is? It is genuinely crap.

[howardphillips214]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

So, this still sucks massively...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubACHbIBV18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCBvTFqtvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U5o1XEa9M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_I8mXYPdw

The game is riddled with blown bunnies and layups because a defender holds an arm up, regardless of whether they are in a realistic position to contest. Sometimes all they need to do is hold an arm up behind the offensive player, or a couple of feet away, and it throws the player into a blown layup animation.

Bigs can't seem to finish over smalls either when you get a mismatch. I played the Sixers and Kings and managed to consistently get a switch of Vucevic onto Fox and Maxey, yet he couldn't finish over either in the post on single coverage after backing them right down under the basket. They weren't doing anything remarkable, just standing still with arms raised.

I also managed to hold Embiid to 4-15 shooting on single coverage just by virtue of having someone near him when he got low post position, causing him to blow multiple point blank shots.

I think this is as bad as it's been. I have the layup defense sliders set to 50 - do I need to set them abnormally low, or is this just how the game is? It is genuinely crap.

Kyrie just made 16 threes in a game for me. 16 of 28. He can splash but it's really frustrating to watch the best finisher under 6'5 miss layups after layup. It's a huge part of his game.

[bamalam]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

I feel like I’m way more likely to make a 50% contested 3 than a 15% contested standing layup. I was using the all time 76ers earlier and Moses drop-stepped the point guard he was on and missed an “open” layup. He has 98 shot close and HOF masher, he shouldn’t be missing shots like that.

Agree with the inside shot issues but Moses isn’t the best example to use- irl , he padded rebound #s routinely on “missed “ shots

[VictorMG]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

A few examples I've captured over the last couple of days (bear in mind I am in the first season with an expansion team so my roster is not great). I play with a superstar base and with shot timing turned off for lay-ups:


Players missing easy shots with the defender out of position/late to contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEH4ThHjqBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRFXJEscHLM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtR6jzwpwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POlUTeUce9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAoJHdxr0p0

Players not being able to take advantage of a size advantage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmfqXhcJZmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXwS_ZLCyM

In terms of sliders, is it just the layup contest sliders (gather and take-off) I should be adjusting, or is there something else that would be affecting this? It really feels like they have taken away the ability to make close shots under any sort of pressure, which is not reflective of the NBA at all.

I've seen plenty of players IRL miss shots exactly like this, with no contest in sight. So far this season, I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say I've seen at least one in every single game I've watched.


Now you mentioned guards being able to stop bigs like Embiid or Vucevic consistently by putting their hands up. If that's the case, you have a legitimate gripe, but I do think you should also tweak the sliders since it's so important to you (not being sarcastic). You said your Layup Defense is at 50, but then you assumed you need to turn it super low. Decrease it by a little bit, and also play with Inside/Close Success.



But I think this concern is mostly overblown, and if you watch full games, you'll see players miss uncontested bunnies at the rim; naturally, you're not gonna see that on YouTube or TV highlights. I see multiple misses at the rim in every game I watch where I'm like "2K players would flip out if this happened in the game."

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[howardphillips214]

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Love driving to the cup and just leaving the ball on the rim. Lol it doesn't even look right. You would think it would rattle around and maybe rim out... Sure. But literally getting around my defender and just because someone is IN THE AREA no dice. Not blocked.... Just ehhhh

[sirdez]

Re: 2K24 inside scoring / shot contest system

Appreciate the detailed response Victor.

I've definitely been playing around with sliders, but I don't want to create a situation where there aren't inside contests either, as that's just countering an issue with another issue to balance them out. I strongly believes slider adjustments should be to get the game playing to your own preferences and style, not to correct gameplay or design flaws.

Players definitely miss "easy" shots close-in in real life, and I absolutely want that to happen in game too (the same way players make difficult contested shots in real life too). But the examples I have posted are not isolated examples - they are what happens pretty much 100% of the time if a defender is within a radius with an arm raised regardless of who the defender is, how close they are to the player trying to score and whether they are actually in a position to realistically affect the shot.