The Trump Presidency 2.0

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The attorney general of the Untited States said it was illegal to call yourself "The Boss" if your not in charge of the entire country. This is the world we live in.

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Come on, is this real? Gawd, it's so ridiculous its gone beyond funny into scary...

[Ghost Econ]

"Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country," Noem said.

At least since they don't believe in trials we can skip straight to their hangings.

[RainMaker]

Like that is shit you learn in Junior High in social studies or whatever.

[JPhillips]

I don't know whether or not Noem knows what habeus is, but lying about it is just part of the strategy. They know that most persuadable voters are low info voters. Those voters may or may not hear about this, but if they do they'll hear what she said and have no reason to search out whether or not she's telling the truth. They almost certainly agree with the premise she said and will instead think that Dems or the media are crazy for opposing habeus.

It's Bannon and Flynn psych warfare crap and everyone in the admin is doing it.

[Ghost Econ]

The party of personal freedom


F.D.A. Poised to Restrict Access to Covid Vaccines

[RainMaker]

Wait, so we're building a golden dome here? Uhhhh...does he know what the golden dome does?

[GrantDawg]

Protects from golden showers?

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[miked]

Ironically, the scientists and doctors approved the new vaccine, but the admin overruled (or appointed people at the FDA to overrule) the vaccine and make it only available to those who are "at risk", which most doctors have very different criteria.

[GrantDawg]

Kamala is considering running for Governor of California? Or is that just pundit speculation?

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[RainMaker]

Another Dem dies in office. 3rd one this term. Giving the Republicans a bigger majority with a tight vote coming up. Remember they gave him the leadership position on Oversight over AOC and others.

Rep. Gerry Connolly, 75, has died, family statement says | CNN Politics

[RainMaker]

The big beautiful bill is fascinating to watch. It feels like one of those last heists before everything crumbles. Bond markets hate it. Probably not going under 7% interest on mortgages for awhile. Massive increase to debt with nothing to show economically for it.

Kind of running out of things to cut that can be transferred to weatlhy people. Especially with the military budget increasing.

Another wild stat. The median home buyer in 2007 was born in 1968. The median home buyer in 2024 was born in 1968.

[PilotMan]

RM has been focusing on the wrong genocide. We've all missed it. Finally it's being addressed.

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[Lathum]

The thing with this bill is maga embraces it because they believe everything they are told. Fox is saying how great it is and it will cut the deficit etc. and they believe it.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The thing with this bill is maga embraces it because they believe everything they are told. Fox is saying how great it is and it will cut the deficit etc. and they believe it.

They're going to get the rug pulled out from under them, especially when they see how the no taxes on tips stuff actually works, and then blame Biden.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The big beautiful bill is fascinating to watch. It feels like one of those last heists before everything crumbles. Bond markets hate it. Probably not going under 7% interest on mortgages for awhile. Massive increase to debt with nothing to show economically for it.

Kind of running out of things to cut that can be transferred to weatlhy people. Especially with the military budget increasing.

Another wild stat. The median home buyer in 2007 was born in 1968. The median home buyer in 2024 was born in 1968.

So many sheep that support eveeything no matter how bad it is for them.

Its actually a benefit for us personally. We own our home and our cars with no plans to buy anything major soon. And the bill would increase our take home by 3k or so and more once i start working again. But even that minimal benefit is not worth the downsides of it at all.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The big beautiful bill is fascinating to watch. It feels like one of those last heists before everything crumbles. Bond markets hate it. Probably not going under 7% interest on mortgages for awhile. Massive increase to debt with nothing to show economically for it.

Kind of running out of things to cut that can be transferred to weatlhy people. Especially with the military budget increasing.

Another wild stat. The median home buyer in 2007 was born in 1968. The median home buyer in 2024 was born in 1968.

So many sheep that support eveeything no matter how bad it is for them.

Its actually a benefit for us personally. We own our home and our cars with no plans to buy anything major soon. And the bill would increase our take home by 3k or so and more once i start working again. But even that minimal benefit is not worth the downsides of it at all.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Danny

So many sheep that support eveeything no matter how bad it is for them.

Its actually a benefit for us personally. We own our home and our cars with no plans to buy anything major soon. And the bill would increase our take home by 3k or so and more once i start working again. But even that minimal benefit is not worth the downsides of it at all.

Hundreds of billions being transferred to the wealthy and medicade getting cuts and MAGA is celebrating paying a little less at the pump and "no taxes on tips" that only applies to cash tips that they likely weren't reporting as income anyway.

[bhlloy]

The combination of social media, 24/7 partisan news and the realization that you can make many low information voters believe whatever you state the loudest and most often has pretty much broken everything.

In 3.5 years when the majority of the country is far worse off, they'll find new boogeymen to blame and whip up even more hatred and distrust. If not Trump, it will be somebody even further to the right and more populist.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Danny

So many sheep that support eveeything no matter how bad it is for them.

Its actually a benefit for us personally. We own our home and our cars with no plans to buy anything major soon. And the bill would increase our take home by 3k or so and more once i start working again. But even that minimal benefit is not worth the downsides of it at all.

I think the issue with anyone who benefits that isn't super wealthy is who in the world is buying your house? Pretty much narrowing down the buyer pool to private equity at this point and soon they'll be able to set their own market.

[JPhillips]

Reading up on the coming screw worm infestation. Looks very likely with the only question being how far north the fly gets. Buy your beef now and freeze it.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Reading up on the coming screw worm infestation. Looks very likely with the only question being how far north the fly gets. Buy your beef now and freeze it.

One of the biggest success stories for federal aid to other countries keeping Americans safer is the fight to push back screw worms in the 1950s and 1960s.

[Lathum]

This crypto dinner trump is having tonight shows just how much the gop has normalized absolutely fucked up corruption. They arent even hiding it anymore.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

The combination of social media, 24/7 partisan news and the realization that you can make many low information voters believe whatever you state the loudest and most often has pretty much broken everything.

Thanks to Learned League, I went on a wikipedia crawl through the Vietnam War, and ended up on the 1955 referendum. So much of that seems plausible here and now.

1955 State of Vietnam referendum - Wikipedia

[cuervo72]

I forget where the Jamie Dimon is fantastic thread is, so I'll put this here.

Lord Business: Jamie Dimon Is the Dumbest Smart Guy in America

[RainMaker]

The guy essentially bankrupted a 150 year old business stalwart and required a trillion dollar bailout by the Feds to keep it afloat. Probably not as smart as people think he is.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This crypto dinner trump is having tonight shows just how much the gop has normalized absolutely fucked up corruption. They arent even hiding it anymore.

Worth noting that 16 Senate Democrats supported the GENIUS Act that allows this. Bipartisan support on this type of corruption.

[Ksyrup]

Also part of the bill...

Proposal to limit courts' contempt power, part of spending bill, is 'terrible idea,' Chemerinsky says

The budget bill provision “appears meant to spare the federal government any legal consequences for even deliberate, continuing and belligerent defiance of court orders,” wrote Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, for Cato at Liberty.

“If the district judges are no longer in a position to enforce contempt orders, why even bother appealing? The feds (and others, too) could just thumb their noses at them and go on their way,” Olson wrote.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Also part of the bill...

Proposal to limit courts' contempt power, part of spending bill, is 'terrible idea,' Chemerinsky says

This is exactly what they've been angling for and ACB is actually the one that saw through it when DOJ attorneys were in front of SCOTUS last week. She pointed out that, when it comes to injunctions, based on what the DOJ is asking for they could simply ignore any court ruling without consequence.

[RainMaker]

They're in a weird spot. They know they have to be subservient to their owners but they also have to realize that if they give up that kind of power, they have no leverage anymore.

[RainMaker]

Passes the House with one vote. Sure would be nice if 3 members didn't die this session.

[JPhillips]

They would have just gotten the GOPers who weren't there to show up. So long as the GOP was basically unified there was nothing Dems could do at the vote.

Where I think they yet again failed is in the lack of a coordinated messaging plan to put pressure on GOPers in NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of seats there that are vulnerable and Dems did next to nothing to make a guy like Lawler feel the heat.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

They would have just gotten the GOPers who weren't there to show up. So long as the GOP was basically unified there was nothing Dems could do at the vote.

Where I think they yet again failed is in the lack of a coordinated messaging plan to put pressure on GOPers in NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of seats there that are vulnerable and Dems did next to nothing to make a guy like Lawler feel the heat.

Trump is effectively speaker of the house and controls the vote there. There's no chance for anything Trump really wants to fail there. Johnson's job is to carry water for Trump and not fuck things up too bad before Trump puts pressure on them with threats to primary.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

They would have just gotten the GOPers who weren't there to show up. So long as the GOP was basically unified there was nothing Dems could do at the vote.

Where I think they yet again failed is in the lack of a coordinated messaging plan to put pressure on GOPers in NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of seats there that are vulnerable and Dems did next to nothing to make a guy like Lawler feel the heat.

Deep down, most of them support this bill too. And their donors absolutely do.

[JPhillips]

Nonsense. The deficit busting is absolutely toxic to the people with money.

I'll give you that Trump could have probably peeled off Dem votes for a smaller bill, but not this monstrosity. This is going to fuck things up for decades.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Nonsense. The deficit busting is absolutely toxic to the people with money.

I'll give you that Trump could have probably peeled off Dem votes for a smaller bill, but not this monstrosity. This is going to fuck things up for decades.

It's incredibly beneficial to extremely wealthy people, which is who the Democrats serve as well. That's why they aren't putting up much of a fight.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Deep down, most of them support this bill too. And their donors absolutely do.

Yeah i agree witg rainmaker, most of them probably are happy about it in secret.

[flere-imsaho]

"Most" seems like hyperbole. "Many" I could agree with.

[RainMaker]

Chris Hedges has a really great breakdown of the two parties. Boils down to Democrats are corporatists and Republicans are for oligarchs. It kind of sums up our "democracy".

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It's incredibly beneficial to extremely wealthy people, which is who the Democrats serve as well. That's why they aren't putting up much of a fight.

I am not wealthy, but I live in a state where the SALT deduction increase will be a nice addition and we are high earners, top 2% by all accounts. If this bill passes as is, it likely means an additional tens of thousands of dollars a year for us from what I am hearing.

When he got elected I said I did my part and I won't feel bad any benefits I get from the GOP being in power, so yes, I am happy about this.

[Ghost Econ]

Banning a private university from being able to enroll students and placing tariffs on individual companies is exactly the sort of small government the Confederacy was fighting for, right?

[RainMaker]

What about demanding where a private company make their phones with the threat of government imposed fines if they don't do as told?

[RainMaker]

Incredibly funny how all the folks screaming about commies are now all in on a command economy.

[GrantDawg]

They wouldn't know a communist or a dictator if they painted him orange and elected him president.

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[JPhillips]

Trump's now okay with Nippon Steel buying US Steel.

[GrantDawg]

Wonder how many Trump coins Nippon Steel needed to buy for that?

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[Ghost Econ]

He's ok with it because nip is in the name.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What about demanding where a private company make their phones with the threat of government imposed fines if they don't do as told?

See, it's even dumber than that because he says they can sell them for the same price because the factories they build here will be fully computerized.

So what's the point of bringing manufacturing back to America if people won't actually be working there?

[Ksyrup]

I just assumed he meant everyone would be hired as middle management. Now THAT's American!

[Atocep]

Mike Johnson would be the most ineffective house speaker in history if he didn't have Trump. Johnson said he agrees with Rand Paul and Ron Johnson that deeper spending cuts are needed on the bill HE pushed to senate.

[Atocep]

MAGA is trying to turn saying Happy Memorial Day into Happy Holidays and then Trump goes out and tweets Happy Memorial Day.