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HerRealName 03-25-2025 06:37 AM

It sucks to see Watkins go down with an ACL. She's a serious contender for the MJ of women's basketball. I've watched more USC games this year than Ohio State games.

albionmoonlight 03-25-2025 10:55 AM

NIL/Transfers look to have pretty much ended the era of the Cinderellas even making the Sweet 16.

If you're a smaller team who happens to luck into recruiting a player who turns out to be great, he not gonna to lead you to the Elite 8 as a senior. He's just gonna transfer into the Big 10 after his freshman year.

That said, the lack of Cinderella teams does make for some heavy hitting Sweet 16 games.

All depends on what you like, I suppose.

Ksyrup 03-25-2025 01:55 PM

Over 700 players in the portal today. Last year, day 1 had 291 hit the portal. College sports really sucks right now.

JonInMiddleGA 03-25-2025 02:01 PM

Right on cue

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Drake star guard Bennett Stirtz plans to enter the transfer portal and follow coach Ben McCollum to Iowa, he told The Field of 68 on Tuesday.

Stirtz, one of the biggest breakout stars of the 2024-25 college basketball season, spent one season with the Bulldogs after transferring from Division II Northwest Missouri State when McCollum left for Drake.

A 6-foot-4 point guard, Stirtz won Missouri Valley Player of the Year and led the country in minutes played.

Meanwhile St. Francis (PA) announced intent to move all sports to D3 by 2026

BishopMVP 03-25-2025 02:05 PM

Do people think the cap will drag the SEC back to the pack as football uses up a big chunk at most schools (and a conference like the Big East rise), or will those schools just be able to skirt it in the gray area enough to keep it going down there?

bronconick 03-25-2025 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3460328)
NIL/Transfers look to have pretty much ended the era of the Cinderellas even making the Sweet 16.

If you're a smaller team who happens to luck into recruiting a player who turns out to be great, he not gonna to lead you to the Elite 8 as a senior. He's just gonna transfer into the Big 10 after his freshman year.

That said, the lack of Cinderella teams does make for some heavy hitting Sweet 16 games.

All depends on what you like, I suppose.


And when the ratings decline because of the lack of upsets, the lesson learned by the powers that be will be that the auto bids for smaller conferences are not warranted anymore.

BishopMVP 03-25-2025 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3460350)
And when the ratings decline because of the lack of upsets, the lesson learned by the powers that be will be that the auto bids for smaller conferences are not warranted anymore.

When power conference AD's and Presidents can either be fired or make 6 figure bonuses for making the tournament, and we let them make the rules and pick the at large teams of course we're going to get more power conference teams in.

The only answer seems to be enforceable multi year contracts at this point. There's a reason the NBA, NFL, etc don't allow everyone to enter free agency every season.

Ksyrup 03-25-2025 03:05 PM

I'm all for paying players and even free movement, but the combination of both, with barely any rules/restrictions, means a bunch of student-athletes (or pre-professionals, in some cases) have more rights and less restrictions to make money playing sports than actual professionals. It's insane.

bhlloy 03-26-2025 09:31 AM

Well over 3 players per D1 team in the portal right now, closer to 4. I'm in the same boat... I'm glad players are getting a share of the pie but where we are going to end up is a watered down pro setup rather than college sports as we know it. And the courts seem more likely to strike down a level playing field and enforceable contracts rather than move towards it. No idea what the solution is.

Atocep 03-26-2025 11:37 AM

WVU hires Ross Hodge from North Texas. He's from the Grant McCasland/Mark Adam's tree. I'm excited for the pack line to come to Morgantown.

albionmoonlight 03-26-2025 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3460379)
No idea what the solution is.


Unionize the players and get a CBA.

It'll be weird the first time college games are cancelled due to a strike. But we'll get used to it.

Arles 03-26-2025 12:59 PM

The first step would be 2-year contracts for NIL payments with two exceptions:
1. A player can enter the draft after one season if good enough.
2. A player can transfer after one season if the coach leaves

Seems like a pretty sensible starting point. I would also like to see some form of "transfer fee" for non power 5 schools if a kid gets poached to a bigger program. This would allow that program to use that money as NIL to try and partially replace him.

BishopMVP 03-26-2025 03:47 PM

https://twitter.com/cobrastats/statu...48292409237518
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https://twitter.com/cobrastats/statu...86579764556144

miami_fan 03-26-2025 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3460388)
Unionize the players and get a CBA.

It'll be weird the first time college games are cancelled due to a strike. But we'll get used to it.


And who will be on the other side of the CBA?

I suspect it will get to a point where it will be with the leader of whatever the SEC-Big Ten league is but still. Also how does that jive with the student part of the student-athlete?

I have to be honest though. I have heard too many complaints about Cinderella making the regular season worthless or ruining the second weekend of the tournament to get too riled up about it. The love for Cinderella usually dissipated before its Sweet Sixteen game began. The best teams in the regular season are proving to be the best teams of the postseason and that is a good thing.

JonInMiddleGA 03-26-2025 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3460388)
Unionize the players and get a CBA.

It'll be weird the first time college games are cancelled due to a strike. But we'll get used to it.


Better to just put an end to it all at this point.

bhlloy 03-26-2025 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3460394)
The first step would be 2-year contracts for NIL payments with two exceptions:
1. A player can enter the draft after one season if good enough.
2. A player can transfer after one season if the coach leaves

Seems like a pretty sensible starting point. I would also like to see some form of "transfer fee" for non power 5 schools if a kid gets poached to a bigger program. This would allow that program to use that money as NIL to try and partially replace him.


There’s no end of obvious suggestions to make things better. I probably worded this poorly. But how do you actually enforce any of this? The NCAA has already been shown to be totally toothless in any court fight. You have Oregon taking even the slightly restrictive things they’ve put in place today to a sympathetic state judiciary, you’ve had judges and lawmakers in multiple southern states wading in. There’s absolutely no chance the NCAA can put these things in place and have them stick, they will get pulled apart from every direction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3460388)
Unionize the players and get a CBA.

It'll be weird the first time college games are cancelled due to a strike. But we'll get used to it.


Bingo. This is where it ends up at which point they aren’t college athletes any more. You might get a 30 team league where you have a team called the Alabama Crimson Tide and the Michigan Wolverines, but it’s not college sports in any form we know it any more and the vast majority of schools are just not going to want the headache to be at that level. Or basically what the two posts above mine say in different ways.

bhlloy 03-26-2025 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3460409)

I have to be honest though. I have heard too many complaints about Cinderella making the regular season worthless or ruining the second weekend of the tournament to get too riled up about it. The love for Cinderella usually dissipated before its Sweet Sixteen game began. The best teams in the regular season are proving to be the best teams of the postseason and that is a good thing.


Funny, I couldn’t disagree with this part more. Without the upsets and teams that come out of nowhere to make runs my interest in the tournament goes down about 95%. Each to their own.

HerRealName 03-27-2025 11:41 AM

Kevin Willard was negotiating to leave Maryland for Villanova while preparing and playing in the NCAA tournament. For as much as players get criticized, coaches are every bit as bad.

Atocep 03-27-2025 12:03 PM

Darian DeVries had a deal agreed to with Indiana by mid Feb while continuing to negotiate an extension with WVU that he never intended to sign.

He left in about as shitty of a way as a coach can and didn't bother to address the players or make the standard release thanking fans, etc. He's a good coach, but most of these guys aren't good people.

dubb93 03-27-2025 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3460447)
Darian DeVries had a deal agreed to with Indiana by mid Feb while continuing to negotiate an extension with WVU that he never intended to sign.

He left in about as shitty of a way as a coach can and didn't bother to address the players or make the standard release thanking fans, etc. He's a good coach, but most of these guys aren't good people.


And he's moving to a team where the fanbase is already openly hostile towards him. I'm not hostile, but I'm really skeptical about how you fix a program that didn't make the tournament two years in a row by hiring a coach who also did not make the tournament.

This is a team that fired a coach with multiple sweet sixteens with the program recently because it wasn't good enough. Mike Woodson is a legend in the program and he got ran out in what was less than three years. He was allowed to finish his third because of his stature at Indiana.

If DeVries doesn't make a tournament in his first two years, which will be tough with everyone transferring, I'd say he's done. If he doesn't win atleast one tournament game in three years (this is assuming he makes it year 2 and 3) I'd say he's done. After that he really needs to produce. I honestly don't know that he is that guy but we will see.

Atocep 03-27-2025 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3460450)
And he's moving to a team where the fanbase is already openly hostile towards him. I'm not hostile, but I'm really skeptical about how you fix a program that didn't make the tournament two years in a row by hiring a coach who also did not make the tournament.

This is a team that fired a coach with multiple sweet sixteens with the program recently because it wasn't good enough. Mike Woodson is a legend in the program and he got ran out in what was less than three years. He was allowed to finish his third because of his stature at Indiana.

If DeVries doesn't make a tournament in his first two years, which will be tough with everyone transferring, I'd say he's done. If he doesn't win atleast one tournament game in three years (this is assuming he makes it year 2 and 3) I'd say he's done. After that he really needs to produce. I honestly don't know that he is that guy but we will see.



He's a very good coach with everything on the court. He understands the game, handles rotations well, and gets the most out of a group of players.

Off the court, he's a mess. Our AD put his staff together because he was struggling that bad to land assistants. He is going to be awful with donors. For as fiery as he is on the court, he is really socially awkward and lacks personality off of it.

He can be a great coach and have a ton of success at Indiana but probably needs and AD willing to do some of the lifting for him.

Swaggs 03-27-2025 04:18 PM

Devries rolled a 0 in charisma. When I'd watch his press conferences, they would make me uncomfortable because he looked and sounded so nervous.

I will say that, in my opinion, Devries seems like a really good defensive coach and did a really good job at WVU to put together a very competitive roster in a short period of time. Ending 19-13 and 10-10 in conference while losing 2 of the 3 best offensive players left me feeling like he squeezed as much out of the guys we had as he could and, if health had been better, we would have won more like 22-24 games and been an upper seed. The pieces all fit together really well, which is something I don't think we had under Huggins (maybe ever). Huggins would get talented players that didn't fit together or somehow snag really good offensive players and chase them off when they weren't good at defending.

I think Devries will struggle at Indiana because he doesn't know how to (or care to) do the off the court stuff around the community and with donors. That was going to wear thin at WVU and even more quickly so at a place like Indiana.

HerRealName 03-27-2025 08:26 PM

I don't get that flagrant on Reese at all. He was the one that got hit in the face. The SEC came out to home cooking in the 2nd half in both games.

HerRealName 03-28-2025 07:39 AM

I fell asleep and missed all of the 2nd half of the Arkansas - TT game. Getting old sucks. I wasn't able to will Arkansas to victory and now I owe my daughter and her boyfriend dinner.

Drake 03-28-2025 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3460469)
I think Devries will struggle at Indiana because he doesn't know how to (or care to) do the off the court stuff around the community and with donors. That was going to wear thin at WVU and even more quickly so at a place like Indiana.


That sounds like he's the opposite of Tom Crean. The local community here in Bloomington loved Crean because he was such a solid, stand-up guy. It was the X's and O's that were the problem.

On the other hand, never underestimate the average IU fan's willing to tolerate off-the-court issues or lack of charisma if you're winning. Bobby Knight was an absolute asshole and routinely horrible in public, but a solid chunk of (older) IU fans would hire him again tomorrow because of 'member berries.

Swaggs 03-28-2025 11:05 AM

There are rumors (conspiracy theories) that Devries and Indiana had been in touch for several months and had a deal ironed out before the end of the season. These are based on the late season slump, the fact that Woodson/Indiana knew they were making a change midseason, that WVU and Indiana both played in the same in-season tournament (so admins and donors were around in the Bahamas at the same time as Devries), and that Devries son (who was two time MVC POTY at Drake and did well in the early season at WVU) opted to take a medical redshirt despite seemingly playing well before "reinjuring" himself (and the team really being in need).

I don't know or believe all that, but it is possible, if Devries did have his foot out the door, he didn't want to play the political/fundraiser games or spend the time/effort with the WVU alums, so that may end up not being a problem at Indiana if that is/was the case.

One of the comments when there was talk of him leaving was that "he has no inner circle (at WVU)," so there were no rumors spilling and none of the "insiders (who buy their way in with donations and such)" knew anything around his departure. Him coming to terms with Indiana came along a lot more quickly than people expected.

JonInMiddleGA 03-28-2025 12:33 PM

Not sure I get this, but okay

Taylor Jenkins fired as Grizzlies coach after six seasons - ESPN

miami_fan 03-28-2025 12:38 PM

The Grizzlies have fired HC Taylor Jenkins with the team in 5th place in the West and nine game left in the season. Given the front office purged the staff of all but two of his assistants from last year and those two were hired prior to the 23-24 season, it was unlikely Jenkins was going to make it beyond this season regardless of what happened in the playoffs.

miami_fan 03-28-2025 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3460504)


In addition to my post, the Grizzlies have a 2.5 game lead over the Warriors and a 3 game lead over the T-Wolves to try and stay out of the play-in.

RainMaker 03-28-2025 01:07 PM

Not a lot of NBA talk here but last night's Bulls-Lakers game had a final 12 seconds for the ages.



JonInMiddleGA 03-28-2025 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3460505)
The Grizzlies have fired HC Taylor Jenkins with the team in 5th place in the West and nine game left in the season. Given the front office purged the staff of all but two of his assistants from last year and those two were hired prior to the 23-24 season, it was unlikely Jenkins was going to make it beyond this season regardless of what happened in the playoffs.


But looking at it, I don't see anything more than a 3rd-5th place roster there so it's not like they're significantly underachieving or something. Feels more like an NHL firing (team position, timing, etc) than an NBA one, at least to me.

Ksyrup 03-28-2025 02:22 PM

The coaching merry-go-round of "if this, then that" continues with Buzz Williams apparently ready to ditch TX A&M for Maryland if Willard leaves.

miami_fan 03-28-2025 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3460508)
But looking at it, I don't see anything more than a 3rd-5th place roster there so it's not like they're significantly underachieving or something. Feels more like an NHL firing (team position, timing, etc) than an NBA one, at least to me.


There probably is a little Lou Lamoriello bump expectation involved as well.

However this is pretty much the same team that had finished 2nd in the conference in consecutive years prior to last year where their star players had injury and other issues. Those young Grizzlie teams were significantly ahead of a similarly young team like OKC by 30 and 11 games both of those seasons. I am sure Grizzlie leadership don't see themselves as being seventeen games worse than OKC. As usual, the coach is the easiest thing to change as I don't think the front office thinks the roster is flawed.

It probably did not help things that there have been a few negative player interactions throughout this year though none as serious as the ones with Ja last year.

miami_fan 03-29-2025 02:32 PM

The HVL revenge tour continues!:D

Oh not really a revenge tour, but too many knowledgeable basketball folks were talking about Hailey Van Lith like she was a bum on the court.

INDalltheway 03-29-2025 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3460505)
The Grizzlies have fired HC Taylor Jenkins with the team in 5th place in the West and nine game left in the season. Given the front office purged the staff of all but two of his assistants from last year and those two were hired prior to the 23-24 season, it was unlikely Jenkins was going to make it beyond this season regardless of what happened in the playoffs.


I love that Grizzlies moved on him right now. They may have the guy already on staff and they are giving him a 10 game interim shot and the playoffs to see if he is the guy. Iisalo was potentially going to get a HC gig in the offseason and I'm sure the Grizz would feel silly if he is as good of a coach as it appears he could be. The 4th quarter coaching/rotations Wednesday night at the Thunder was malpractice - the straw that broke the camels back. I respect the move as a new Grizzlies fan this year(Zach Edey fan).


As for cbb, tough ending for my Boilers last night vs Houston. Tough whistle the last 4 mins but next year should be special if they can keep their core and add a few pieces in the portal.

HerRealName 03-29-2025 05:50 PM

I think I'd play Haugh 30+ minutes if I were coaching Florida.

HerRealName 03-29-2025 07:21 PM

The Texas Tech deja vu in reverse is wild.

bhlloy 03-29-2025 07:25 PM

Unbelievable meltdown by Texas Tech. Just done every single thing wrong you possibly can when it matters.

JPhillips 03-29-2025 07:32 PM

Yeah. I though Florida was cooked and then a few shots, missed TT free throws, and suddenly it was tied.

bhlloy 03-29-2025 07:38 PM

I didn’t pay attention to how they used the TOs other than the last one but to have to go that long without having any to be able to calm things down has to be on the coach too.

Credit to Florida for hitting the shots but really that should have been a winnable situation just by not allowing open 3’s, going deep into the shot clock and hitting your free throws. Feels like the Falcons Pats Super Bowl a bit.

Lathum 03-29-2025 10:19 PM

Duke looks unbeatable.

They absolutely dismantled a great Bama team tonight.

flere-imsaho 03-30-2025 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3460346)
Do people think the cap will drag the SEC back to the pack as football uses up a big chunk at most schools (and a conference like the Big East rise), or will those schools just be able to skirt it in the gray area enough to keep it going down there?


I suspect the Big 10 having far richer alumni is what's going to push the SEC back into the pack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3460359)
I'm all for paying players and even free movement, but the combination of both, with barely any rules/restrictions, means a bunch of student-athletes (or pre-professionals, in some cases) have more rights and less restrictions to make money playing sports than actual professionals. It's insane.


Maybe it's because I went to a D3 school and have no rooting affiliation to a D1 program, but it all seems fine to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3460394)
The first step would be 2-year contracts for NIL payments with two exceptions:
1. A player can enter the draft after one season if good enough.
2. A player can transfer after one season if the coach leaves


Seems reasonable to me.

Ksyrup 03-30-2025 02:29 PM

Houston makes Bennett-era UVA look watchable. I want to see their D vs Duke. Actually, I'm not sure if want to watch it, but I want to see the outcome, at least.

JonInMiddleGA 03-30-2025 03:38 PM

A thorough bed-shitting in the Elite Eight by the Vols.

The various words that come to mind does NOT included "shocked"

Ksyrup 03-30-2025 04:38 PM

In honor of LSU losing to UCLA...

Kim Mulkey dressed like the authoritarian leader of a small island nation
byu/slotretriever inCollegeBasketball

Ksyrup 04-01-2025 07:23 PM

So Maryland's coach bolts for Villanova, Buzz Williams bolts A&M for Maryland, and now A&M is targeting Chris Beard at Ole Miss to go head-to-head with Texas. Hilarious.

Danny 04-05-2025 10:54 PM

Pretty fantastic semifinal games.

albionmoonlight 04-06-2025 07:23 AM

Fuck Duke

GrantDawg 04-06-2025 08:01 AM

Well, there went my wife's bracket.

Drake 04-06-2025 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3461070)
Fuck Duke


Like, in general or this year specifically? (Just curious. I have no affiliation with Duke.)

Kodos 04-06-2025 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3461070)
Fuck Duke


Always.

HerRealName 04-06-2025 09:52 AM

I'm no Duke fan but that team played some aesthetically beautiful basketball interrupted occasionally by completely stupid mistakes. Houston pulling that one off was a massive upset in my eyes but I'm thinking Florida is in trouble tomorrow.

Danny 04-06-2025 03:57 PM

An absolutely dominant tournament for Uconn

Edward64 04-06-2025 04:02 PM

Not a big basketball fan, so sorry if this was obvious. But when I was checking on scores, it occurred to me that the Final 4 was made up of all No. 1 seeds.

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Even with the expectation that top seeds have a better shot at reaching the Final Four, this year marks just the second time since NCAA Tournament seeding began in 1979 that all four No. 1 seeds advanced to the final weekend. The only other year such an occurrence unfolded was in 2008.

albionmoonlight 04-06-2025 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 3461077)
Like, in general or this year specifically? (Just curious. I have no affiliation with Duke.)


In general. I’m a UNC guy.

Drake 04-06-2025 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3461098)
In general. I’m a UNC guy.


Fair. I feel the same way about the Yankees.

wustin 04-07-2025 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3461093)
Not a big basketball fan, so sorry if this was obvious. But when I was checking on scores, it occurred to me that the Final 4 was made up of all No. 1 seeds.


2008 was loaded. UCLA had Kevin Love and Westbrook. Calipari was coaching Memphis and had Derrick Rose. The other side of the bracket were super stacked Kansas and UNC (Hansbrough) teams.

That was also the same year Steph Curry had his run with Davidson and nearly beat Kansas in the Elite 8.

JonInMiddleGA 04-07-2025 07:33 PM

I got curious, so I looked something up.

Of the 14 players who played the most minutes for the teams in tonight's title game (7 per), only half have played their entire college careers for those teams. And only 9/14 have played more games for their current team than any other.

Ksyrup 04-07-2025 08:00 PM

The attempted dunk against the rim, followed by a block on the rebound, followed by the ball going off the body out of bounds, is the basketball trifectic of LOL.

miami_fan 04-07-2025 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3461090)
An absolutely dominant tournament for Uconn


I got a chance to go to the game yesterday and ended up in one of the executive suites for the very first time in my life. I am super grateful that I was in the suite and for just about any other event I would take a return invite. I hated the game watching experience yesterday. Not having to wait in line for food or the restroom? Tremendous. All you can drink Top shelf alcohol and access to someone to drive my son, my niece, her dad and I home? Yes please even though I don't drink that much in public. It just felt like I was watching the game at home. The last thing I wanted to do was not being around the basketball fans in that arena. The experience I had yesterday just walking around the arena before the game, at halftime and after the game was not like something I have ever experienced before. I know it is a trope but it just a fun atmosphere throughout the game and the entire day.

A couple of takeaways from the actual game. First, Paige Bueckers has the capability to be an all world defender based on her performance yesterday. My goodness she was everywhere on the defensive end. I was shocked that she only had one steal and 2 blocks when I looked at the box score. Second, I love Dawn Staley but Geno took to her to school tactically. He was a step ahead with every move he made. Finally, yesterday might as well have been Homecoming for the UConn basketball program. At least ten former UConn stars were lined up to congratulate the team but also stay off to the side so as to not take too much of the focus off this year's team.

miami_fan 04-08-2025 10:35 AM

In pro sports, we would blame the commissioner. Since this is college sports, who put in the call to have the refs call a foul every time a defender had the gall to breath on his man in the second half after allowing a mugging on just about every play in the first half. This is not a commentary on whether it help decide who won the game. Houston choke the game away but the officiating was horrendous for both sides.

HerRealName 04-08-2025 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3461214)
In pro sports, we would blame the commissioner. Since this is college sports, who put in the call to have the refs call a foul every time a defender had the gall to breath on his man in the second half after allowing a mugging on just about every play in the first half. This is not a commentary on whether it help decide who won the game. Houston choke the game away but the officiating was horrendous for both sides.


It was really weird the difference between the 1st and 2nd halves. It was also strange how they went on foul spurts against one team. I think it was 6 of the first 7 against Florida and then something like 9 of the next ten against Houston. It was a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.

HerRealName 04-08-2025 11:12 AM

Dola to add that i think there were also 4 fouls in 10 seconds of game time.

bhlloy 04-08-2025 11:39 AM

Yeah, I agree. Not sure which half was called more correctly, but it was jarring and really didn’t help the quality of the game on the court.

If I’m an NBA playoff team or somebody picking in the mid late first I want Walter Clayton Jr on my team. I understand all the limitations and the physical template and upside teams are looking for but kid is just a gamer and last night showed on both ends of the floor.

RainMaker 04-08-2025 12:38 PM

So the Nuggest just fired Malone. Uhhhhhhh WTF?!

RainMaker 04-08-2025 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3461219)
If I’m an NBA playoff team or somebody picking in the mid late first I want Walter Clayton Jr on my team. I understand all the limitations and the physical template and upside teams are looking for but kid is just a gamer and last night showed on both ends of the floor.


He gives me Jalen Brunson vibes. Not overly gifted physically but just a damn good basketball player with a high IQ. Maybe not the highest ceiling but definitely a very high floor. Worst case scenario I see is a pretty good backup PG.

I'd love the Bulls to take him at around 13 or wherever.

Ksyrup 04-08-2025 12:49 PM

Firing coaches of mid-tier playoff teams is the new fad, I guess.

miami_fan 04-08-2025 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3461227)
So the Nuggest just fired Malone. Uhhhhhhh WTF?!


Now this one? This one right here? This one makes absolutely no sense UNLESS Mike Malone went to Stan Kronke's office and went Mike Malone on him.

flere-imsaho 04-08-2025 01:31 PM

The Nuggets problems seem to be a GM problem, not a HC problem.

JonInMiddleGA 04-08-2025 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3461237)
The Nuggets problems seem to be a GM problem, not a HC problem.


He's not being extended (renewed?) either according to ESPN.

They report tension between Booth & Malone, so apparently BOTH are out. Interesting strategy.

RainMaker 04-08-2025 03:13 PM

There has to be more to the story. There's 3 games left in the season.

The only thing I've seen is that Booth and Malone didn't get along. But I just don't see how firing a coach this late fixes that. Feels like an offseason move.

dubb93 04-08-2025 03:24 PM

It probably should have waited until after the season but I’ve always been a big fan of letting GMs have a lot of say in the hiring of their coach so if they are both out then that makes more sense to me.

miami_fan 04-08-2025 09:19 PM

Back when he went by Mike Malone, he was fired by the Kings. I went back and looked at some of the reporting after that firing. He had issues with the front office not giving players he wanted and giving him players he did not want.

There is now reporting that Malone and Booth did not get along. I can imagine Booth getting fired and Malone believing that the title should have afforded him more personnel say and telling the owners he should be the GM as well.

wustin 04-09-2025 03:06 AM

Tim Connelly was the GM who created that Nuggets core who is Malone's guy. He left to Minny and Denver's record against the Connelly era Wolves is like 5-11 or something.

Michael Porter should've been traded ages ago for more rotation players and they still don't have a good backup center for Jokic. I'm pretty sure the last good one was Nurkic.

RainMaker 04-15-2025 12:51 PM



Ksyrup 04-18-2025 07:05 AM

This morning's Athletic Pulse newsletter was recapping some of the NBA insanity this year, including this recent turn of events in Sacramento:

Quote:

Literally an hour after losing to the Mavericks in the 9-10 Play-In game Wednesday night, the Kings — the same ones who not long ago installed a giant purple light beam just to broadcast their good vibes into the ether — parted with the architect of their recent turnaround, general manager Monte McNair.

Two Aprils ago, McNair was named the NBA’s Executive of the Year after hiring Mike Brown, who became Coach of the Year and then was fired last December — six months after signing a contract extension.

Just 12 hours after the loss to the Mavericks (speaking of chaos …), Sacramento finalized a deal to bring back its former VP of basketball ops, Scott Perry, as GM. Whiplash, anyone?

miami_fan 04-18-2025 06:18 PM

It gets even better.

Scott Perry was hired as the Kings' VP of Basketball Ops on April 21, 2017. He was then hired to be the Knicks' GM on July 14, 2017.

The guy who hired him to that position with the Kings? Vlade Divac.

Who did Monte McNair replace as permanent GM of the Kings? Vlade Divac.

Who reportedly has regained most of his influence with the Kings' owner over the last year or so? Vlade Divac.

Oh, since I don't feel he gets enough criticism for this and people need to be reminded of this over and over again, who passed on Luka Doncic with the #2 in the draft choosing instead to take Marvin Bagley Jr. because he already had DeAaron Fox on the roster?

Vlade Divac.

Atocep 04-18-2025 07:43 PM

Jeremy Lamb is dating the owner's daughter and has been playing the role of shadow GM because he has the owner's ear. That's reportedly why Fox refused to sign an extension and wanted out. Sabonis has also been asking for clarification on who's running the organization and may ask for a trade as well.



The kings are a mess.

miami_fan 04-18-2025 08:50 PM

I'm fine with the Heat earning the opportunity to lose to the Cavs in 4 or 5 games because they won their play in games and it will be good for the young guys to taste the playoff atmosphere. However, this team does not deserve to be in the playoffs based on their regular season record and their overall play this season.

JonInMiddleGA 04-18-2025 09:50 PM

Sending the Hawks home is reason enough afaic.

Yes, fans in Dallas aren't the only ones salty about trades that involved Doncic.

#fuckthehawks

miami_fan 04-19-2025 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3461932)
Sending the Hawks home is reason enough afaic.

Yes, fans in Dallas aren't the only ones salty about trades that involved Doncic.

#fuckthehawks


You wanted Landry Fields to be the GM to be roasted for sending Luka to the Lakers? At least Nico was able to get the Mavs Anthony Davis based on his previous job at Nike. Landry might get you Jeremy Lin.

JonInMiddleGA 04-19-2025 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3461953)
You wanted Landry Fields to be the GM to be roasted for sending Luka to the Lakers? At least Nico was able to get the Mavs Anthony Davis based on his previous job at Nike. Landry might get you Jeremy Lin.


Schlenk was the architecht of the draft day trade, at least he's gone. Fields really can't be any worse than that dumb SOB.

miami_fan 04-19-2025 05:16 PM

How many more wide open three's would Westbrook have to make before you don't leave him wide open in a end of the game situation?

I'm setting the over/under at 15 straight.

miami_fan 04-19-2025 05:17 PM

And just as I typed that... Westbrook goes Westbrook.

bhlloy 04-19-2025 05:23 PM

This has been a hell of a game one. The Nuggets are such an island of misfit toys that you would never think worked together but somehow do.

miami_fan 04-20-2025 02:40 PM

If the Grizzlies did not want to be in the playoffs, they could have forfeited the game to the Mavs.

I am not confident the Mavs would beat the Grizzlies in any other circumstance.

miami_fan 04-20-2025 02:46 PM

I don't understand the appeal of sitting behind the TV broadcast table if you are older than say twenty five years old. Yeah, they are on TV but most people look like they are waiting for their mugshot to be taken.

JonInMiddleGA 04-21-2025 03:48 PM

Hawks promote Onsi Saleh to GM after firing Landry Fields - ESPN

dubb93 04-21-2025 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3461967)
This has been a hell of a game one. The Nuggets are such an island of misfit toys that you would never think worked together but somehow do.


I’m pretty sure The Joker could get the best out of of anyone. I liken him to if Bird and Magic combined their talents into a random 50 year old 7 foot white guy. If he didn’t have the athleticism of Conan O’Brien he’d be the GOAT.

Lathum 04-21-2025 07:40 PM

Nico Harrison - Didn't know fans' level of love for Luka Doncic - ESPN

You should be fired if you are this out of touch with your fan base.

Honolulu_Blue 04-22-2025 08:12 AM

Pistons won their first playoff game last night since Senator Barack Obama was a week away from securing the Democratic nomination for president.

bronconick 04-22-2025 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 3462082)
Pistons won their first playoff game last night since Senator Barack Obama was a week away from securing the Democratic nomination for president.


6,174 days, Cade Cunningham was 6. The leading scorer from their last win, Antonio McDyess, is now 50.

Ksyrup 04-22-2025 03:12 PM

Should be up 2-0 headed home.

miami_fan 04-22-2025 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3462065)
Nico Harrison - Didn't know fans' level of love for Luka Doncic - ESPN

You should be fired if you are this out of touch with your fan base.


Neither did the owner but he blames Nico as well. This is from Tim Cato who is pretty locked in with the Mavs.

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“However, those team sources consistently express belief that Dumont no longer sees Harrison as a figure with irreproachable basketball expertise. Most notably, team and league sources say, Dumont has had frustration with Harrison not warning him — or, perhaps even more damningly, being unaware — of the fandom’s outrage following the trade. Those same sources say it had some influence over Dumont’s decision to make Harrison appear for last week’s closed media event, which Harrison did not want to.”

I don't agree with trading Luka for the reasons that have been articulated, nor do I agree with what they got back.

However, nothing has convinced me that Harrison is not providing a shield for ownership. Executing the deals to bring in Derrick Lively, PJ Washington and Kyrie Irving over the last couple of years was enough to convince the new owners Nico was the new Jerry West? I refuse to believe that the new owners spent $3.5B to basically give Nico Harrison a general power of attorney to do whatever he wanted to with the franchise because he is "a figure with irreproachable basketball expertise". I refuse to believe that Patrick Dumont spent the last year or so in Dallas, saw all those #77 Mavs jerseys all over the city and all over that arena and needed a warning from Nico Harrison that trading the guy who was currently wearing the #77 Mavs jersey and has since 2019 might cause a fan revolt. Stop it!

If that is the case, they need to hire Woody Johnson's son to make the final basketball decisions assuming he plays NBA 2K in addition to playing Madden.

miami_fan 04-26-2025 06:06 PM

It is not the best time to bring up Ben Simmons since he has picked up two silly fouls that put him on the bench for the rest of the first half but he has played surprisingly well in his limited role with the Clippers so far.

miami_fan 04-27-2025 02:44 PM

The NBA are using WNBA style of refereeing for the playoffs and I must say I approve. No blood, no foul!

miami_fan 04-27-2025 08:58 PM

There goes Lillard's Achilles.

miami_fan 04-28-2025 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3461986)
If the Grizzlies did not want to be in the playoffs, they could have forfeited the game to the Mavs.

I am not confident the Mavs would beat the Grizzlies in any other circumstance.


In the same vain, this is an appropriate way for this Cavs-Heat series to conclude.

Ksyrup 04-28-2025 08:35 PM

Vacation reservations start tomorrow it appears.

Thomkal 04-29-2025 07:56 PM

wow Pacers


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