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Lathum 07-19-2025 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3466502)
So I'm not up on my Murdoch family history-aren't his kids already battling over who will get Fox when Rupert finally dies? Any chance a more neutral/less conservative Murdoch owner takes over and makes changes?


Correct

Flasch186 07-19-2025 12:14 PM

Already gaslighting and calling out his supporters again but painting them as democrats because they’ll continue to cash for all of the raw data versus the administrations scrubbed releases on the Epstein topic.

I’m not sure how it ends but it certainly ends with the release of all of the information right and then a discounting of it by the administration as being a liberal hoax.

Will the adherents buy it?

Thomkal 07-19-2025 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3466506)
Already gaslighting and calling out his supporters again but painting them as democrats because they’ll continue to cash for all of the raw data versus the administrations scrubbed releases on the Epstein topic.

I’m not sure how it ends but it certainly ends with the release of all of the information right and then a discounting of it by the administration as being a liberal hoax.

Will the adherents buy it?



I think he will try to make money off it before he releases it-for $99 you too can have the Epstein Files!

JPhillips 07-21-2025 04:31 PM

Poor Murkowski got played and Trump is canceling a lot of her deal to vote for the budget. When will people learn that he can't be rusted?

kingfc22 07-21-2025 05:50 PM

Thoughts and prayers

Atocep 07-21-2025 08:58 PM

Epstein has Trump so rattled we're back to Hillary's emails. Bondi is releasing those files.

Nothing has ever rattled him this much. They're throwing everything at the media to try to shift the news cycle. So far they've tried Obama led a years long coup, numerous Biden stories, Trump's health, more tariffs, floating the idea of firing Powell, and killing the Washington Commanders new stadium. Probably some other stuff I've forgotten about.

EDIT: Forgot about the MLK files

RainMaker 07-21-2025 10:30 PM

They're adjourning Congress early to avoid having to vote on the Massie bill this sessiob. Good lord just how bad are those files.

RainMaker 07-21-2025 11:25 PM

Maybe if the pressure builds up they'll release stuff on aliens or something cool.

kingfc22 07-22-2025 12:04 PM

Sounds like the Dems should simply run on releasing the Epstein Files as their main agenda item for the 2026 election cycle and then actually follow through on it....which they won't lol

RainMaker 07-22-2025 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3466635)
Sounds like the Dems should simply run on releasing the Epstein Files as their main agenda item for the 2026 election cycle and then actually follow through on it....which they won't lol


Always should have but it was more important to protect the Clinton name than win elections.

RainMaker 07-22-2025 12:32 PM

So the new thing is they fired the prosecutor on the case and will have Trump's personal attorney interview Maxwell. Not sure what Maxwell has to gain outside of a commutation or pardon which definitely seems in play.

cuervo72 07-22-2025 12:42 PM

@garrykasparov.bsky.social on Bluesky

RainMaker 07-22-2025 01:03 PM

I think the Maxwell family tradition would be to "fall off a boat".

JPhillips 07-22-2025 02:51 PM

It's the same play as they tried with Zelensky during Trump's first term.

bob 07-22-2025 04:06 PM

Something I just can’t wrap my brain around.

If there is damning evidence against Trump in these files, why weren’t they released in the run up to the 2024 election?

JPhillips 07-22-2025 04:10 PM

Twenty years ago everyone freaked out about a GOP plan to redistrict in between censuses. Now it's just normal business for them to take as many seats as they can get away with.

I really don't see how our democracy returns to normal now that so many things are acceptable.

Danny 07-22-2025 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3466650)
Something I just can’t wrap my brain around.

If there is damning evidence against Trump in these files, why weren’t they released in the run up to the 2024 election?



Isn't the prevailing thought that there are some big time democrats in there too?

RainMaker 07-22-2025 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3466651)
Twenty years ago everyone freaked out about a GOP plan to redistrict in between censuses. Now it's just normal business for them to take as many seats as they can get away with.

I really don't see how our democracy returns to normal now that so many things are acceptable.


Democrats can do the same thing. It was done in Illinois. New York and California refuse. Lot of Democrats just don't care about winning elections.

RainMaker 07-22-2025 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3466650)
Something I just can’t wrap my brain around.

If there is damning evidence against Trump in these files, why weren’t they released in the run up to the 2024 election?


Bill Clinton Speaks at 2024 Democratic National Convention

GrantDawg 07-22-2025 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3466652)
Isn't the prevailing thought that there are some big time democrats in there too?

There definitely was/is. More, there a large donors to both parties in there. Even the people that aren't directly in the file have interest in not shutting off the money tap from some of those guys.

GrantDawg 07-22-2025 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3466654)

Yeah, it is not just Clinton.

bronconick 07-22-2025 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3466655)
There definitely was/is. More, there a large donors to both parties in there. Even the people that aren't directly in the file have interest in not shutting off the money tap from some of those guys.


It's the rich/politico version of the Catholic priest scandal. We'll never see the real list.

RainMaker 07-22-2025 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3466656)
Yeah, it is not just Clinton.


Yeah, I mean most of Congress is bought by AIPAC.

bob 07-22-2025 05:03 PM

Ok, so I guess dumb question 2.

If they know lots of Dems or Dem donors are there, why are they acting all outraged that the list isn’t being released? Do they think the public is dumb enough to not see through this?

Atocep 07-22-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3466660)
Ok, so I guess dumb question 2.

If they know lots of Dems or Dem donors are there, why are they acting all outraged that the list isn’t being released? Do they think the public is dumb enough to not see through this?


Well, yeah.

So the foundation for this being such a strong issue with MAGA goes back to pizzagate and QANON. Many on the right believe politicians and celebrities on the left are pedophiles and child traffickers. They may think there could be a small number of right leaning people on any Epstein list, but this is mostly about outing dems. Bondi and Patel were all on board for releasing everything to do with Epstein until they actually got their hands on those files. With reports out there that the FBI was told to flag any mentions of Trump in the files, his past relationship with Epstein, things he's publicly said, etc, it's pretty clear why.

The left largely stayed out of it but they're speaking up now simply because they see it as a weakness for Trump and something that's splitting, or has the potential to, split his base. The dem establishment has seemingly given up on beating the GOP with ideas so now it's about attacking a very real Trump weakness, but they can't even get on the same page there. Hell, Pelosi said the President possibly being involved in one of the largest child trafficking operations in modern US history is a distraction from tariffs and other failed Trump policies.

RainMaker 07-22-2025 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3466660)
Ok, so I guess dumb question 2.

If they know lots of Dems or Dem donors are there, why are they acting all outraged that the list isn’t being released? Do they think the public is dumb enough to not see through this?


I think there is a divide among the Democrats based on the new and old guard. You're seeing a lot of the newer, younger folks calling for the release because they don't have ties to the Clintons or some of the prominent figures from that time. Then you have the Pelosi faction which has sort of fought against it.

But at the end of the day, it's not going to be released. Not anything related to wealthy donors or powerful figures. Especially not his ties to foreign or domestic intelligence. Maybe they'll toss some useless scraps out to appease the masses. So it's a risk-free way of taking a shot at Trump and Republicans.

HerRealName 07-22-2025 07:00 PM

That Medhi Hasan Jubilee episode is incredibly frustrating and depressing. Where did they find these renobs?

Thomkal 07-22-2025 07:04 PM

Here's why Biden and Trump cannot just release the files:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mp/ar-AA1IRx1B

HerRealName 07-22-2025 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3466666)
Here's why Biden and Trump cannot just release the files:


MSN


This is cute. Our King/Presidents can do whatever they want.

Lathum 07-23-2025 08:27 AM

Totally not a problem going in to hurricane season.

nytimes.com

GrantDawg 07-23-2025 10:34 AM

People that get lost in a storm needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

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cuervo72 07-23-2025 10:46 AM

Boatstraps?

Atocep 07-23-2025 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3466665)
That Medhi Hasan Jubilee episode is incredibly frustrating and depressing. Where did they find these renobs?


What's crazy is apparently some of the people that debated him said shit so vile and racist the footage couldn't be used. One guy's entire time debating Hasan was cut. That's wild considering one guy was proudly a Nazi.

Ghost Econ 07-23-2025 01:16 PM

What's crazy is this isn't new, Conservatives have just embraced shame as a virtue and are fine saying this out loud now.

RainMaker 07-23-2025 02:31 PM

And there you have it. WSJ has a source somewhere deep in DOJ.

wsj.com

Paywall free:

archive.is

Lathum 07-23-2025 02:52 PM

I mean, I don't know how even the deepest of all MAGA cultists can't see how obvious it is that he is doing all he can to prevent the full files from being revealed.

The far worst part is how complicit the GOP as a whole are in helping him cover it up.

GrantDawg 07-23-2025 02:57 PM

Insert the "They would be mad if they could read" gif.

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RainMaker 07-23-2025 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3466666)
Here's why Biden and Trump cannot just release the files:

MSN


Doesn't this just pertain to court records? That makes sense since many of those cases are civil and Maxwell is still appealing.

The FBI has mountains of evidence from the Epstein case that can be released. There is no reason why they can't release who was "funding" him. We know that there were tons of financial transactions between him and others. No reason why they can't explain what he did with his money which is a mystery to everyone on Wall Street. And no reason why they can't tell us his association with foreign intelligence, we out spies all the time.

Then of course, explain why there are no other arrests. We know that there were massive payouts to child victims by not only Epstein but banks who facilitated it. People knew. Why is Leon Black not under arrest? The guy gave Epstein almost $200 million for something.

JPhillips 07-23-2025 05:07 PM

Lutnick said today that the TikTok sale will be a direct purchase by the government. That's one way to kill it.

Atocep 07-25-2025 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3466385)
He's so gone at this point. Talking about how his uncle, who died in 1985, taught Ted Kaczynski and that he used to ask him about how he was as a student.

He also forgot he nominated Jerome Powell.

Stephen Miller seems to be President right now and they're letting Trump distract himself by letting him rant about tariffs. It's the equivalent of how they used to give his dad meaningless documents to sign to keep him busy when his mind was gone.


So on today's episode if you can't make this shit up, it looks like Trump's unabomber story was plagiarized from a story Epstein used to tell.

GrantDawg 07-25-2025 10:34 AM

All indications are they are about to either pardon or commute the sentence of Ghislaine Maxwell. They are pushing out a "victim" narrative for her, and every expectation she is going to be released and say it was all a prominent Democrat set up. And of course the cult of lemmings will eat ot up.

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Ksyrup 07-25-2025 10:43 AM

This was obvious once Trump couldn't manage the narrative.

JPhillips 07-25-2025 01:50 PM

It's the exact same play as the one Zelensky refused to do.

RainMaker 07-25-2025 01:51 PM

People should really look at what happened during the Maxwell trial. She wasn't just some accomplice, she openly participated in the rapes and groomed the children. She's just as bad as Epstein.

GrantDawg 07-25-2025 03:21 PM

Trump is appointing a loyalty monitor for CBS. Who needs the first amendment?


FCC to Appoint a Babysitter to Make Sure CBS Isn't Anti-Trump

CrimsonFox 07-25-2025 03:41 PM

The rapist, pedophile felon is going to visit a golf course in Scotland

kingfc22 07-25-2025 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3466749)
Trump is appointing a loyalty monitor for CBS. Who needs the first amendment?


FCC to Appoint a Babysitter to Make Sure CBS Isn't Anti-Trump


This is hilarious seeing how Faux News ADMITTED in court to lying and making things up and presenting it as “news”

RainMaker 07-25-2025 06:36 PM

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larrymcg421 07-26-2025 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3466741)
All indications are they are about to either pardon or commute the sentence of Ghislaine Maxwell. They are pushing out a "victim" narrative for her, and every expectation she is going to be released and say it was all a prominent Democrat set up. And of course the cult of lemmings will eat ot up.

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This could backfire in a big way, since the pardon isn't reversible. He has nothing on her if she doesn't hold to the deal.

Edward64 07-27-2025 06:04 AM

It's a Politico article on a WSJ poll so can't see entire results. But basically, not good news for Dems.

Just a moment...
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While voters still have significant concerns over the president’s and the Republican Party’s handling of the economy, inflation, tariffs and foreign policy, the majority of respondents nonetheless say they trust Republicans more to handle those issues in Congress.

Despite criticism of the administration’s handling of inflation — disapproval outweighed approval by 11 points in the poll — the Republican Party, by 10 points, is trusted more than Democrats to deal with inflation.
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That’s the same case when it comes to thoughts on the president’s drastic tariffs policy.

By 17 points, voters disapproved of Trump’s handling of tariffs, while still trusting Republicans more on the issue to Democrats by 7 points.
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“The Democratic brand is so bad that they don’t have the credibility to be a critic of Trump or the Republican Party,” Anzalone told the newspaper. “Until they reconnect with real voters and working people on who they’re for and what their economic message is, they’re going to have problems.”

But a hopeful sign

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Despite widespread irritation of Democrats, voters still said that if an election was held today, they would back a Democrat for Congress over a Republican by 3 points, 46 to 43 percent. It’s still a drop from this time in 2017, six months into Trump’s first term, when Democrats held an 8-point advantage in that category.

I'd like to get some semblance of balance and have Dems control at least House or Senate in 2026. Best bet will be if Trump crashes the economy & markets on tariffs but that's no sure thing. So, although I can see Dems winning net seats, the lack of unity on platform/messaging, old/new guard, focusing on less important stuff etc. is going to be problematic.

****

The article didn't say anything about illegal immigration. But found this blurb in NYP on same poll ...

Democrats' approval rating craters to 35-year low: WSJ poll
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Voters trusted Republicans over Democrats on inflation by about 10 points; on immigration by 17 points; and handling illegal immigrants by 17 points, the survey found.

This seems contradictory to other polls that showed greater negative views on how Trump is handling illegal immigrants. It's probably the wording of the question.


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