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I wish man. I was in Toronto this week and it was cloudy and rainy. I get home, it's cloudy and rainy. Now it's cold and cloudy. I'm so over the short days. I need some sun too. Only 8 more days until the solstice. Haven't seen a winter around here like this for years and years.
Just to keep things on topic. Surely I shouldn't need to maintain my government mandated medical. I mean, my body, my choice. If I feel ok, then I'm ok. Nobody can tell me what to do or that I can't do my job! This douchebag already raised my taxes once, I'm sure I'm not rich enough to get a tax cut this time around. Someone has to pay for the rich people to get these cuts! |
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Clearly the word has gone out that Trump requires 1 mil or more gifts to his inauguration fund.
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The vassals required to provide tribute when a new king is crowned.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/15/majo...policies.html? There are 3 charts in article, too big to embed. They are
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Seems like MAGA is going all in on vaccines cause autism.
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Interesting how conservatives went full on anti vaccine so quickly. It used to mostly just be crazy liberals.
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Well, the New Grand Poobah overseeing our health system used to be a crazy liberal, so that tracks.
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Guessing he isn't holding a meeting to follow through with a ban. Probably gets to play the hero and save the app all the young people like. An incredible self own by Dems in a cycle of self owns.
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So, will Ivanka's fast-tracked Chinese trademarks suffice for this, or will El Presidente request further remuneration for this largesse?
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So the bourbon distilleries around here have started the public marketing campaign against tariffs, crying about how much international money they'll lose. The last time tariffs hit bourbon - you'll never guess who was President in 2018! - industry revenue from international sales dropped 50%.
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Those damned globalist bourbon distilleries.
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Jack Daniels is too woke.
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Has there been another President that shut down the government before taking office?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who was baffled by this. But apparently this is where we are now. I was just wondering last week about why various antagonist countries don't get up to some shit in the period between an election and an inauguration, because I'd think an outgoing president isn't going to launch us into a shooting war that gets dumped in the new president's lap. Seems like an expoloitable period where one could make big gains without having to pay the regular price of admission. |
Trump won't handle President Musk making all of the decisions.
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Trumps like the mean teacher who made Musk hall monitor but that bit will go to his head and the teacher will strip that priveledge.
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I get wanting a clean CR extension until the Trump & new congress are in but don't get the argument for increasing the debt ceiling.
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Dems need to grow balls for the first time in my lifetime and just shut the government down and do a media blitz blaming it on Trump. It probably won't matter but it's exactly the type of play that MAGA would and is making. Let Trump inherit a government that has been shut down for a month.
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Elon literally bought the Presidency, or so it appears.
I know Trump won't just allow Elon to so directly look like he's running things - especially to the public - because Trump wants people to know he's in charge and the bully pushing the GOP around, but the wildcard here is the dude is approaching 80, tired, losing his fastball (and mental capabilities), and Musk is taking up the slack of President Sundowning the Second. Maybe Don Jr. will step in to prod Daddy to take the reins back, but I think Elon has assessed the situation and - at least at this point - feels pretty comfortable in doing what's he doing. Of course, he's also shown himself to be tone-deaf and a dufus in most basic human interactions, so... |
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Trump has been pretty open and honest about not giving one shit about the deficit. One of the reasons I slowly backed away from the GOP going back to the second Dubya election was my realization that "small government" was really not the goal. Both parties spend too much money; they mostly just differ on who is the primary recipient of it. |
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“The legislation will end up hurting many of the people it purports to help. Debt-fueled spending sprees may "feel good" today, but it's like showering cocaine on an addict: it's not compassion, it's cruelty. Farmers will see more land sold to foreign buyers when taxes inevitably rise to meet our obligations. Our children will be saddled with crippling debt. Interest payments will be the largest item in our national budget.” - Vivek Ramaswamey |
Thank goodness the people elected Vivek to prevent this stuff from happening....
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"Congress has known about this deadline since they created it in late September. There's no reason why this couldn't have gone through the standard process, instead of being rushed to a vote right before Congressmen want to go home for the holidays. The urgency is 100% manufactured & designed to avoid serious*public debate." - Vivek Ramaswamy This is an old argument but one that needs to be reemphasized. The people changed course for a reason. Will anything come of this? Maybe not, but it’s hard to argue we don't overspend. Currently, the U.S. Taxpayer owes the national deficit 2 full years of 100% income tax/unpaid work to get our deficit to $0. Now obviously we can’t do that, but we can raise taxes. But even an increase in our income taxes to meet the current overspending would need at least a 25% - 33% jump so we can simply break even. But as taxes go up, our GDP suffers, and what happens after we tax people that much and the government still just tacks on 25-33% more overspending? It’s a death spiral. I hope something can happen and simply raising taxes is not the only answer. Budget cuts are needed for long term sustainability of our government and our ability to pay for our government. |
Way to completely miss the point. Unelected billionaires probably shouldn’t have their hands in the levers of power. You’re not going to get an argument about the deficit but considering we just reelected the guy responsible for 25% of that and he has zero interest in curbing spending I wouldn’t hold your breath.
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So he compared farm subsidies to what exactly? I’d also like to add that everything he said about the debt is bullshit because his boss wants to raise the debt ceiling. It’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. |
What do you expect from a guy so clueless that one of his early campaign talking points was that we would fire missiles into Mexico at the cartels, without Mexico's permission.
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Amazing how the same people attacking Soros are cheering on Musk for being 100 times more controlling.
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From what I can tell, they want to "cost-cut" the stuff they don't like so they have more money to add to the debt they want to saddle us with for the things (people and corporations) they do like. Both parties do much of the same thing in general, but the advantage the GOP has taken on this is that they've managed to convince the very people they are about to hurt to vote for them so they can give more money to the people who look down on them and don't give a shit whether they live or die. It's pretty fascinating to watch this dynamic play itself out. |
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I actually agree with most of this. The question is whether you believe 2 billionaires wirh zero government experience and a bunch of random volunteers are the best people to lead a committee making recommendations on what to cut. It's clear they don't understand how social security and others parts of the budget work. Musk also has a very vested interest in where to make cuts and where not to in order to benefit his businesses. |
Rand Paul putting Musks name out there as a potential House Speaker and other GOP reps supporting the idea by unironically saying it's time to take down the establishment is peak GOP.
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It’d a bogus argument. George and Alex Soros invested nearly double what Musk invested this year (if you include the insane radio station takeover Soros did) and Soros influences a lot of the Democratic candidates behind the scenes. The only difference is Musk is transparent about it, which is part of the reason people have more respect for him and Musks message resonates into votes better. We can’t sit there and say we can’t do it because Musk when we know on the other side it’s Soros. But that aside, people with lots of experience have been in charge and effectively have said, “it’s too nuanced and complex for anyone to solve”. I’m good with people outside the DC bubble giving it a go. Will it be awesome? No. Will it suck? Maybe. But can we continue saying the issue is too complex to solve? I don’t believe so. |
The debt is huge but first step is to stop the bleeding and get rid of the deficit.
There is no easy path, not everyone (or anyone) will be happy but do agree we are probably in a "death spiral" and something needs to be done. Pie chart of 2024 budget ... Just a moment... The deficit is $1.83T = Revenue $4.92T - Spending $6.75T or about 27%. If we can't get agreement, I'm in favor of just cutting each line item by -27% until the grownups become more responsible. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/amer...ional-deficit/ |
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What does Soros have to do with the argument that Musk and Vivek are poor choices to lead a committee on this? Everything isn't my side vs your side. You're the person that was on here championing Trump as the guy that was going to bring everyone together and yet you answer any question about the Trump administration by pointing fingers. Soros has nothing to do with this. Your guy won the election it's time to accept his decisions based on merit rather than what ifs that aren't happening. Is your stance really that it's better to do a poor job than not do anything? |
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Show me one time Soros took a victory lap after tanking a bipartisan funding bill on a social media platform he owns and used to massively influence the outcome of an election. |
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You can't cut spending in this country without cutting the military budget and that is not going to happen. All this is is shuffling some money from programs into the pockets of a few billionaires. |
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Actually you can. But there is certainly places in the military you can cut expenses. |
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Most of the programs talked about have minimal impact on the budget and actually hurt the economy more, thus lowering tax revenue. |
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He literally works behind the scenes, how could he do that and also take a victory lap? I’m shocked you didn’t know this about Soros. |
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The Soros thing is funny because he is much more aligned with Elon Musk than anyone on this board. Neither are your friends. They both hate you.
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I am a little confused. Trump wants to remove the debt ceiling all together? That is like totally logical. Very unlike him.
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Talk about believing everything right wing media feeds you. at least with Musk we can say we are seeing it with our own eyes. |
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I never said that Trump was going to bring us together. You made that up. I know this because you don’t want this. You hate it. That’s your American privilege, but it’s also okay to admit you want something more closely aligned with what Soros wants. You can trust him but I do not. Especially since he spends hundreds of millions of dollars quietly behind the curtain while Biden can barely function in front of it. While I think we can both agree that the USA’s long-term future is at risk of being unfixable, I believe we have to take some risks, maybe they will do a poor job and fail, and you can cheer that, but not trying is a guaranteed poor job and therefore, a predetermined failure that nobody can cheer for. |
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This is mostly overblown nowadays. It was a problem in the 80s and 90s but there are far more regulations on purchasing now. You see inflated prices on things because we have to follow certain regulations on purchasing. For example, we have Zebra label printers in our hospital and need new power adapters for 4 of them. We can't just go out and look for the cheapest option. We have certain authorized sellers we can purchase from. I can find the power adapters on Amazon for $25 but they're sold through a 3rd party using Amazon so we can't buy those. Our authorized sellers sell them for $125. We also have contracts with certain vendors and if you're not knowledgeable when purchasing they'll price gouge you. Our Radiology department needed 2 laptops with a simple video card in them and decent specs. The quote Dell sent our radiology was for nearly $2500 per laptop. They were trying to sell them high end gaming laptops when they could have got what they needed for under $1500. |
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I've heard that he shows up to steal your sould if you look in the mirror and say him name 3 times. |
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Or if my own experience in the Air Force is any judgement, you have civilian workers who work a minimum schedule and when they are there they do nothing but play video games during work hours and can't be bothered to put there own trash in the garbage. And you have a bunch of unused equipment that is being bought and then sold to those same overpaid grifters for pennies on the dollar. |
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So Trump reverses course and pushes for congress to pass the CR and it still fails. Not going to help the President Musk narrative.
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I'm so old that I remember when Obama got blamed for the economic fallout from the Sequestration that came about from the Boehner leadership. The Rs screamed about how bad Obama was killing the military and the economy with all the cuts because he wouldn't agree to a bigger spending deal they wanted. That wasn't but a small fraction of what Rs are calling for now. Funny the price they're willing to pay, and where they're willing to lay the blame when it all goes to shit. |
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It does feel like Congress isn't going to jump up and just hand over unlimited power from their own jurisdictions to trump like the way he wants. Not just yet anyway. Too much back biting, too many willing to get their 15 minutes of news, and too many not willing to risk losing funding for their constituents. In the meantime, it'll be someone else's fault if they can't make it happen. Thanks Obama. |
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“The Republican convention proved the Republicans are all in for everyone. Unity is the key. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, men and women are all in this together. No lawfare, no desperate assassinations, just love for America and all Americans. I look forward to the next leader of the Democrats to join in with that message so we can all make America great again.” -Dutch Haha, appreciate being able to comment on that. It was speaking positivity that was bringing so many Americans to the GOP side of ideology, that many appeared to be bailing on the failing identify politics the Democrats have been pushing so desperately for. It had nothing to do with Trump working towards unification of conservative and left-wing identity politics or far-left values. (This also spoke to his comments that he would not engage in the same tactics the Democrats have used for the last 4 years (but yeah, I’m starting to not be sold on that one, I think there are going to be a few eye-opening investigations going on) and it also spoke to Trumps desire to make America great again. Which I know burns your soul to the core, but I’m down with the positive vibes of what that message means.) |
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This take was posted on X, I think it was The View’s talking point and some wild eyed Democrat with purple hair I think? Wild! Haha, ugh… |
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Those are the two big dogs (I suppose Bezos, Gates, and Zuckerberg are uo there too.) Uktimately, there are twice as many billionaires that are supporting the Dems than those that are supporting the GOP. It’s why Kamala outraised Trump $1 Billion to $400 million. ABC News led us to believe that money was collected via grassroots initiatives, but make no mistake, those were vast majority (I’d guess ~95%) big donor payments. You just don’t see it because they are behind the curtain. We only think it’s Musk because he’s the most transparent about it. |
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I remember those days. So much waste. If our squadron had a million dollars to spend and we only spent $750k, the next year the budget would be…$750k. So our commander made damned sure we spent every last cent so our budget wouldn’t get dropped. If we needed to buy $100k of equipment that only was sold by a large corporation, we couldn’t go to the big corp. We had to support small business. So we would put in our request for $100k of equipment with some small business operating out of their garage who could only work with mid sized business who could work with the major corporations. Everyone got a cut. That $100k was sold to the medium sized business for $110k and they sold it to the small business for $120k. Rinse and repeat, everywhere, over and over again. Sometimes we bought equipment that didn’t have everything we needed to make it cheaper and prove we were saving the government money, then we would go back the next year and buy the extra parts separately at non-bulk inflated prices to make the equipment optimal…but then the tech refreshes were almost due and we had to buy half baked equipment again. Rinse and repeat. Nothing anybody could do about it but say, “This is fucking stupid.” |
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Just a moment... ... so now onto Plan C. I'm all for not raising the debt ceiling. I know the argument is that Congress has already voted to fund X, Y, Z so there shouldn't be a ceiling restricting it. But therein lies the problem, Congress are like drunk teenagers with their parents' credit card(s). |
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Sad but true. It’s even worse, it’s drunk parents stealing their kids credit cards so the adults can force the bar to remain open for yet another round knowing the teenagers are going to be stuck with the bill for something they never bought. |
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You don't need to rely on your instincts. We have data for reported donations and the top seven donors were all to GOPers. Trump raised a ton of money, but did so largely through SuperPACs rather than through his traditional campaign apparatus. You can see the top donors here: https://www.opensecrets.org/election...biggest-donors |
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Elon is now praising the AFD, Germany's neo-nazi party.
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Despite living in Germany for many years (thanks DoD), I never thought much about their politics other than I despised the far-left Greens Party since they hate the USA. Here’s the gist of the party from ChatGPT. The primary objectives of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) revolve around their far-right and nationalist agenda. Key goals include: 1. Restricting Immigration: Advocating for stricter border controls, opposing asylum policies, and limiting immigration from non-European countries. 2. EU Reform or Withdrawal: Calling for the European Union to return more sovereignty to member states or, if not feasible, considering Germany’s withdrawal from the EU (a “Dexit”). 3. Opposing Climate Policies: Criticizing renewable energy policies and environmental regulations, often opposing Germany’s transition away from coal and nuclear power. 4. Promoting Traditional Values: Emphasizing nationalism, conservative family values, and opposing progressive social changes. 5. Challenging Multiculturalism: Advocating for the preservation of German culture and opposing policies promoting multicultural integration. 6. Economic Nationalism: Supporting lower taxes and less regulation, while opposing financial support for weaker EU economies. These positions make the AfD controversial and often align with populist movements across Europe. |
What about the anti-semitism, reclamation of WW2 history, homophobia, etc.? The Germans themselves have declared AFD to be suspected extremists.
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Right before the Democrats began changing the narrative of a continually healing nation to one where they pitted whites and blacks and Latinos and Asians and Native Americans against one another. Everyone should have a choice and a voice. The official Dem party line of “If you vote against us, you ain’t black” for instance, is backwards racist rhetoric straight out of 1965. |
Any comment about you being proven wrong about the donations as a fact?
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What time period is that for you? What specific time period was America great? And is your example really any different than "if you vote against us, you hate America"? |
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Well, JPhillips, I didn’t know about that. I certainly wouldn’t have endorsed that party if I were him. 1. Anti-Semitism: While the AfD officially denies anti-Semitic positions, various members have made problematic statements, including minimizing Nazi crimes, questioning Holocaust remembrance practices, or criticizing Germany’s acknowledgment of its responsibility for WWII atrocities. 2. Reclamation of WWII History: Prominent figures in the AfD, such as Björn Höcke, have called for a “180-degree reversal” in Germany’s culture of remembrance, criticizing Holocaust memorials and suggesting that Germany should “focus on its positive history” instead of WWII guilt. 3. Homophobia: The AfD strongly opposes same-sex marriage and adoption rights for LGBTQ+ couples, framing its platform as a defense of “traditional family values.” Party leaders and materials have used openly discriminatory language against LGBTQ+ individuals. 4. Links to Extremism: The AfD’s youth wing and members of its far-right faction, such as the “Flügel” (The Wing), have been linked to extremist ideologies, including xenophobia and ethno-nationalism, prompting increased surveillance by the BfV. These issues contribute to the AfD’s exclusion from political coalitions by mainstream parties. Despite this, the AfD has capitalized on economic concerns, immigration fears, and cultural identity debates to grow its support, particularly in eastern Germany. However, its extremist tendencies remain a significant concern both domestically and internationally. |
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Tuesday, 3:47 a.m. You still playing the same stupid games from 2016. I was with you in 2016. I said, “Yes, I see their point, when was America great for black Americans?”. But despite those early gains by Trump, Communist China leaked Covid hit and Biden pounced on this and was elected. What did he do? How did he fix things? He didn’t. He made it worse for all Americans except for the rich. Wall Street did great, but Main Street suffered. I think the disconnect is that while these issues still exist and we still need to continually strive to make everyone feel they are included in this great American experiment, sometimes other issues must either take priority or at least be acknowledged. In 2024, large swaths of the population begged Biden to… stop inflation and he wouldn’t acknowledge it, only saying it was fine. People begged him to stop this massive surge at the border, he wouldn’t acknowledge it. He paralyzed himself for fear of being called a “racist”. The messaging of “white people are all evil” was losing its appeal. Asian-Americans stopped listening to it, Hispanics stopped listening to it, Native Americans stopped listening to it, and three times as many black men voted for Trump in 2024 than they did in 2020. At some point, the liberal plan has to be something different besides, “I’m gonna catch you being a racist by telling us when America was great!” and come up with a strategy that actually helps Americans. |
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Unemployment peaked at 14% under Trump and it is now just over 4%. He is the first president in over a hundred years to leave with negative job growth. He massively ran up the deficit giving tax breaks to his rich buddies and corporations who then raised prices and Trump has already admitted he can't do anything to bring them down. Please outline how Trump will fix anything because he hasn't actually given any details. |
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You don't know when America was great. Got it. You're projecting a lot of opinion on what the Biden administration was doing. If you had the same skepticism towards Trump your posts would be way different. Biden passed The Inflation Reduction Act. That's a wild thing to do when you don't acknowledge inflation. And you don't think Trump's tax breaks for the top 5% of earners and his stimulus bills had anything to do with the average person's struggles and inflation? What about the spending during Trump's Presidency? He's responsible for about 22% of the national debt after only 4 years. |
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Only someone that knows how to create large amounts of debt can cure it. Step 1 is to eliminate the debt ceiling. We will come up with step two after we consult with Elon. |
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Employment was a Covid issue. Once we unlocked the economy, people went back to work. I remember the CNN “sports ticker” on COVID related deaths. They ran that all the way until the election was over then ceased. The economy opened back up in the blue states and people were able to go back to work. The money Trump and Biden took to provide relief (Every single American was pleading to pay back $8700 for each of those big “relief” packages so that we could give select people $1400. Yes, good question where did the rest of that money go? Maybe it did go to their rich billionaire friends. Don’t forget that the DNC has twice as many billionaire friends than the GOP has. The $1400 for a few people in need was the short term benefit. The long term payment came by way of inflation. Nobody in the government knew that would happen apparently, but when you print money you don’t have, that’s how inflation happens. And people were paying more for food and gas because inflation is only a pay raise for the supply side. The plan? I don’t know, but what I want is for inflation to come back under control so our employer based pay raises actually help us. If Trump keeps that in check, I’ll be happy. |
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Now, I didn’t vote for Trump to raise tariffs, but I’m okay with other counties negotiating lower tariffs on our exported goods. Especially since it would help them out with inflation. |
The GOP is promising cuts to mandatory spending of 2.5 trillion next year.
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Most tariffs are in retaliation for tariffs imposed on them. For instance, we imposed tariffs on India meat as welfare to our own agricultural industry. In return they impose tariffs on soybeans and motorcycles. This led to a massive taxpayer funded welfare check to farmers. Tariffs are dumb because they are inflationary and for every tariff imposed, a retaliatory tariff is placed in return. And I don't think he'll end up doing it because at some point business leaders who know what they're talking about will tell him how moronic it is. |
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I found out today what this party is from ChatGPT, JPhillips added context, I verified his added context with ChatGPT, and this is your response. This is why you can’t have nice things, Rainmaker… this is why. Haha |
Does ChatGPT hold your dick when you pee now?
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ChatGPT is notorious for making shit up and being wrong. You know how they say not to use Wikipedia as a source for anything because anyone can edit it? ChatGPT is worse as a source because it just straight makes shit up. When I used to use it I’d have to correct it every time I talked with it and it would constantly change what it said. You really shouldn’t be using it like it’s a source of reliable information. It’s a Chatbot. It’s designed to hold a conversation not educate.
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Alright, Plan C passed the House. I do like the bolded section.
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