I lean more towards #1 but want to believe in #2

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2 allows the industrial grift to keep going so many (most) involved in the commerce around it actually want it to keep being hidden.

A smaller set of people that actually can pay attention regularly (see my post about why most of middle America can’t pay attention to important policy decisions when voting) may want to see a list come out but only when reading a headline, or seeing a post, or hearing something about it but until that prompt hit them, they’re too busy trying to figure out the grocery list, how to get Susie to cheer tonight, and somehow fit in a shower.


If they could fully pay attention they’d be outraged that the president just threatened to strip a citizen of their citizenship because she’s outspoken.

Even though inconvenient, I’m going to have to find time between Susie’s cheer, a shower, and work, to get myself to DC to secure my Austrian passport which will allow me and the family to flee if the concentration camp in the Everglades gets more horrific and supported then it already is.

My brother has been pretty alarmist this whole time (he lives in Toronto) but when you step back and start seeing the correlation between what’s being done here and the slow creep towards a future that JimGa applauds, it’s hard to argue that a night of broken glass is so fantastical that it couldn’t happen here when we have camps, we have violence being used to deport those that look different and aren’t criminals, we have a president threatening to strip citizenship at his whim, we have a royalty/courts willing to allow anything to happen, we have a congress that are so cowtowed to the fuhrer that they support anything, we have an ideology that allows for cult-like adoration of a figurehead leader, etc etc that mirrors Germany on its run up to the Reich, that it seems pretty stupid not to be get prepared to leave if one has the opportunity because one thing that occurs on this potential transition to autocracy is they make it impossible for you to get your money out and they make it impossible to leave.

Scary times


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There is an option three though.

They said whatever they said to get elected and/or to rally their base while believing that there are not too many people willing to stop supporting them over something like a list.

I have no doubt that there is evidence that can and should be released that would put them back in the good graces of the supporters that are mad at them right now..

It's the Daily Mail so grain of salt, but they're claiming Maxwell wants to testify before Congress about what she knows.

Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell is ready to reveal 'truth' of the pedophile client list, say insiders. So, why are Republicans blocking her? | Daily Mail Online

You can't make this shit up. Trump said "Putin fooled a lot of people, but he didnt fool me".

I'm pretty sure you're the only person he did fool.

I don't really know how relevant making the change is but I like it. A "small concession" (?) to the world?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/15/trum...-football.html

But heck, if he's going to do that, it would be fantastic if he converted us 100% to the metric system. I know it'll take years, but let's just try again.

re: Epstein, interesting interview with Alan Dershowitz, one of his key attorneys. He answers most/all of the questions we've been tossing around here.

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(1) The "list"

(2) Videotapes

(3) Mossad & CIA

(4) Suicide

So, client of Epstein and friend of Trump says there's no there there.

How racist is the Trump admin?

So racist they are going to incinerate 500 tons of calorie dense food rather than distribute it to starving people in third world countries.

Trump gonna start raging about interest rates and Jerome Powell again after the latest consumer price data came out suggesting inflation is on the rise.

He said he wore a towel while getting a massage from the child sex slave.

So Obama and Comey and Biden wrote the Epstein files,

which do not exist.

The Washington state republican party's official platform is that we should no longer be a democracy and we need to repeal the 17th ammendment.

Trump is apparently going to nuclear option to shift through narrative away from Epstein. He told GOP lawmakers hes going to fire Powell.

Eh, no better place to put this.

@michaelhobbes.bsky.social on Bluesky

"Our people know..."

(This is from Bari Weiss's -- that bastion of practical centrism! -- wife. Who...graduated from Columbia, using Mamdani as an example. Mamdani, who...did not get into Columbia.)

He didn't get in to Columbia, nor did he mark he was black on the application. He marked "African American" because he is a naturalized citizen who was born in Uganda. She has to add something blatantly not true to make it spicy.

Trump says Coke has promised to go back to cane sugar in its products. It is interesting that he wants US Coke to be Mexican Coke, but more than that, there is a lot of pretty big consequences to a change like that. First, how are all those corn states that are bright, bright red going to like him taking away a HUGE amount of their demand? Second. we don't grow enough cane sugar to meet demand now. We are going to have to greatly increase imports, which includes a large tariff now. Coke prices already insanely high going up even higher, while trade deficits continue to climb. I thought he wanted the US to not import as much?

The guy seems to be in deep mental decline so my guess is it'll just be Coke Throwback or something like every other soda has done over the years. I highly doubt they're going to change their formula now.

He's so gone at this point. Talking about how his uncle, who died in 1985, taught Ted Kaczynski and that he used to ask him about how he was as a student.

He also forgot he nominated Jerome Powell.

Stephen Miller seems to be President right now and they're letting Trump distract himself by letting him rant about tariffs. It's the equivalent of how they used to give his dad meaningless documents to sign to keep him busy when his mind was gone.

I'll just offer the comment that I've already made on my socials earlier. It'll likely cover my official position on the subject more than adquately.



Unless we jack up the sodium to match, these aren't going to magically taste like "Mexican Cokes" and I can't imagine Euell Gibbons Jr ... I mean RFK ... would ever go for that.

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The way Trumps talking tonight it looks like he’s trying you get ahead of the election results… I mean Epstein files since he knows he might lose.


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I feel like the current system is doing this by putting tariffs on sugar and giving massive subsidies to farmers to grow corn. Can't be bothered to look up why it's that way but my guess is the fact that primaries used to start in Iowa played a role.

Regardless, Coca-Cola came out and said it's fabricated, so it's not really an issue. Would have been an interesting experiment though if they ditched the handout and tariffs on sugar and see which companies made the switch and which companies stuck with what works. I know that when I've tried the sugar version of Mountain Dew, I didn't like it as much.

Everything is too far gone now and I know they're doing it for partisan reasons but I've always been down to repeal the 17th. We need more elitism and checks and balances now that the populists are winning.

Might have to scroll down to see the story. White House says Trump has Chronic Venous Insufficency after people noticed bruising on his hands and swelling in his ankles. Good thing we have real doctors still because the first story they went with was it was from shaking hands so much and a reaction to taking aspirin every day:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...source=bluesky

It sounds like the WSJ has a pretty big story coming out on Epstein and Trump which is why he's losing his mind the past few days. Rumor mill saying it involves a birthday card he sent to Epstein with a note that is pretty bad.

Just a moment...

None of that matters. His cult will never turn on him.

Good lord....

Inside the outline of the naked woman was a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in the third person: https://t.co/2svwoBnEy3 pic.twitter.com/vx4W8swaar

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I actually buy that he didn't write that. I'm sure he paid someone to do it for him.

They just announced that they are canceling Stephen Colbert's show. The highest rated late night show is being canceled to appease the orange man.

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A Murdoch company isn't running with this if it isn't legit. I doubt he personally wrote it so he's trying to get by on a technicality.

The biggest disconnect with MAGA on the Epstein stuff is that these people believe Trump is some ultra-smart guy that's 2-3 moves ahead of everyone while a the same time doubting that a guy that was close enough to Epstein to be called a best friend knew what was going on. This is despite the fact that he openly hinted at it multiple times.

I'm sure it's his signature. Sounds likely that he did the drawing. Maybe he wrote the lines, but paying someone else is his MO. I'm 100% sure it isn't the fake he says it is.

It won’t make a damn bit of a difference.

It will be an innocent joke between friends, a Biden/FBI plant, not real, or just will be explained away based on whatever technicality fits best and replaced by another outrage tomorrow.

Y’all really don’t listen. As long as he hurts the right people, nothing he does matters and he’s hurting more people they want to see hurt than anybody in history. It’s red meat for the people who don’t vote for him anyway and are sure “insert next thing here” will finally be the thing that makes the heathens see the light.

I don't know why people think someone else wrote it. That sounds just like pre-politics Trump. He was much different before Obama broke his brain. And he was well known for being a doodler.

Can't imagine a Murdoch publication would put this out if they weren't absolutely sure it was real.

They'll always be a cult, but he's very unpopular right now. He's not immune from public opinion.

Nate Silver has his approval at 43.8, which is quite a bit higher than Biden was and also his low point in his first term. He's more and more unpopular with people who don't like him and didn't vote for him and a relatively small number who did, but it's not going to make a damn bit of difference to anything. That number would get him elected again if the election was tomorrow with the same parameters.

We had protests that liberal news and social media feted as gamechangers and everyone couldn't believe the numbers that turned out in places they didn't expect and OMG things are changing. And 3 weeks later, it's like they never even happened. While he's got the Senate and the House and a Supreme Court that is very friendly to him and he might not even live to the next election, he's absolutely immune from public opinion.

There's a few things at play here. First, media still hasn't learned how to handle Trump. They get caught up trying to find little "gotcha" moments that really aren't very important. Those "gotchas" would have damaged previous presidents, but Trump is different. He isn't afraid to blatantly lie or change his story to make the media look bad to his supporters, who eat up anything he says. It happens so often that i find myself rolling my eyes at what they try to turn into a big story.

Because of the above, not enough time and attention is spent on the bigger picture stuff. Epstein can definitely do serious damage to him if the media and everyone doesn't get sidetracked and distracted by the next mistake he makes, lie he tells, or threat he makes. Enough information is already out there but right wing media won't report it so everyone else has to keep beating the drum on it. They can't treat it like a normal news cycle because Trump thrives on shifting that news cycle.

It's ironic you posted that on the day the highest rated talk host in the US got cancelled because the parent company is scared of getting their ass handed to them again for the slightest show of disloyalty.

Where is this mythical media that is going to handle Trump you speak of? At least any media that makes it into the homes of the 43 or so percent of Americans who don't have a negative opinion of him already.

Don't forget they also gave him like a $15 million bribe a little while back to help secure their merger.

Plus, for the GOP in general (going all the way back to Reagan) and MAGA in specific, the ends justify the means.

So when do they haul in Trump's doctor for lying about his health?

Wait, so he's not the same height and weight as Joe Burrow?

The Epstein stuff must be stinging bad because it's the first time I think he ever revealed something negative about his health.

But it also gives people something different to talk about. I assume he'll continue his "flood the timeline with distractions" bit with this as well.

Someone is getting tarriffed or bombed.

I'm not losing my mind on this one.

August 22 I get the Austrian passport which will be the gateway for the family to be able to leave if need be…

See Tulsi Gabbard comments today about prosecutions for treason among past government officials.

If some of the stuff were happening in other countries we’d be speaking about it differently.

Not planning to leave but if preparations are available then it would be stupid not to take them


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So now that Trump is suing him for 10 billion, any chance fox news drifts at all away from being the Trump Propoganda Network?

Absolutely not. Remember what happened when they correctly called Arizona for Biden? They still know being pro Trump is a ratings cow. The only way Fox ever stops being trumps cuck is when he dies and his kids take over. Or if someone buys the network.

This won't (or can't) happen if for no other reason than it's only older people who still watch cable news shows. CNN veered into Trump worship without being sued because of their ratings.

So I'm not up on my Murdoch family history-aren't his kids already battling over who will get Fox when Rupert finally dies? Any chance a more neutral/less conservative Murdoch owner takes over and makes changes?