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HerRealName 02-25-2025 02:58 PM

Focusing on tax avoidance leads to irrational decisions. I see this happen A LOT professionally.

JonInMiddleGA 02-25-2025 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3458415)
Focusing on tax avoidance leads to irrational decisions. I see this happen A LOT professionally.


Is that what making it irrevocable impacts? (I haven't a clue, that's just what I'm inferring from your comment)

CrimsonFox 02-25-2025 03:34 PM

20+ Doge kids just resigned.

ALso cheeto has a large dark spot on his hand. probably a lesion. Guess he got aids from sticking his dick in putin too many times maybe.

Atocep 02-25-2025 03:54 PM

A friend of mine works at MESC. This is the guy Trump has appointed to oversee our manufacturing and supply chains.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffrey-jervis/

PilotMan 02-25-2025 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458420)
A friend of mine works at MESC. This is the guy Trump has appointed to oversee our manufacturing and supply chains.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffrey-jervis/


How can you argue with a fresh approach to washing cars?

Lathum 02-25-2025 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3458419)
20+ Doge kids just resigned.

ALso cheeto has a large dark spot on his hand. probably a lesion. Guess he got aids from sticking his dick in putin too many times maybe.


Unless it is a different group they were actually members of a department started by the Obama admin and weren't Musk bros.

Atocep 02-25-2025 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3458421)
How can you argue with a fresh approach to washing cars?


Hopefully we upgrade to the premium supply chains.

HerRealName 02-25-2025 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458418)
Is that what making it irrevocable impacts? (I haven't a clue, that's just what I'm inferring from your comment)


It sets up a new legal entity so it shifts income and asset ownership entirely to the trust. There is a lot of flexibility possible with creating a trust so Trustees and Beneficiaries are highly customizable. Irrevocable Trusts are high risk though, once they're set, they're locked. I've seen some crazy situations but mostly around agriculture/land.

JPhillips 02-25-2025 05:49 PM

What the fuck is this nonsense?

Quote:

Reporter: Who is the DOGE administrator?

Leavitt: I'm not going to reveal the name of that individual from this podium.

JonInMiddleGA 02-25-2025 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3458426)
It sets up a new legal entity so it shifts income and asset ownership entirely to the trust. There is a lot of flexibility possible with creating a trust so Trustees and Beneficiaries are highly customizable. Irrevocable Trusts are high risk though, once they're set, they're locked. I've seen some crazy situations but mostly around agriculture/land.


Thanks. Far outside of my wheelhouse

JPhillips 02-25-2025 07:42 PM

Massie says this budget that just passed the first hurdle will add 20 trillion to the debt over the next ten years.

Atocep 02-25-2025 07:51 PM

The Trump and Bush tax cuts responsible for something like 1/3 of the current debt and our debt to percentage of economy would be decreasing if they had never happened.

GrantDawg 02-25-2025 07:55 PM

Republicans want more babies, yet are slashing Medicare that covers 40% of all pregnancies.

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Edward64 02-25-2025 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3458440)
Republicans want more babies, yet are slashing Medicare that covers 40% of all pregnancies.

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That does sound like real fraud. People on Medicare ain't going to have anymore babies :)

(... now Medicaid is another story)

GrantDawg 02-25-2025 08:39 PM

Where is that middle finger emoji.....

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Ghost Econ 02-26-2025 01:41 AM

Don't worry, we're selling gold card American citizenship for $5 mil a pop, that will make up for any shortfall.

GrantDawg 02-26-2025 07:30 AM

I was watching Rep. Massey, the only Republican to vote no on the budget, explain why he is a "no." I don't agree with his politics at all but it is good to see someone at least tell the real story from the side of the isle. He points out the increased deficits for the first five years, and it only claims to stop the increase if there is both 2.5% growth every year in receipts as well as discretionary spending is frozen. He said he has seen that promised in every budget, and it has never happened. It is like an NFL contract, anything beyond three years is complete fiction. Taking away services while rapidly increasing the national debt is just insane.

Lathum 02-26-2025 08:52 AM

I saw where economists said the budget proposal will add 23 trillion to the debt over the next ten years.

Lathum 02-26-2025 08:52 AM

wsj.com

Atocep 02-26-2025 10:39 AM

Got an email today seeking Spanish linguists at guantanamo because there's a critical shortage. You get to live in tents for at least 6 months and you get the same pay.

Ksyrup 02-26-2025 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458470)
Got an email today seeking Spanish linguists at guantanamo because there's a critical shortage. You get to live in tents for at least 6 months and you get the same pay.


And a 50/50 chance you get RIF'd by Elon within the first 2 weeks.

Atocep 02-26-2025 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3458457)
Don't worry, we're selling gold card American citizenship for $5 mil a pop, that will make up for any shortfall.


I thought you were joking. This is a fucking real thing. We're so worried about illegal immigrants that we'll just sell a path to citizenship for 5 mil.

Atocep 02-26-2025 11:05 AM

Bezos completes the right wing turn of WaPp by pushing out the editor and announcing the opinion section will now focus on personal liberties and free markets.

RainMaker 02-26-2025 11:10 AM

Isn't that just expanding the EB-5 program? It's mostly just to encourage more China investment in the country.

HerRealName 02-26-2025 11:11 AM

We've cut back on our Amazon usage massively the last several months. So much so that we won't renew Prime when it comes back up.

Edward64 02-26-2025 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458472)
I thought you were joking. This is a fucking real thing. We're so worried about illegal immigrants that we'll just sell a path to citizenship for 5 mil.


Honestly, it's not a big deal. There's already a path to US permanent residency (and then citizenship) if you are willing to invest $800K or so. Trump has increased the $. Some of the conditions may change but this path to "buying permanent residency" was already there.

Also, plenty of EU (and some Asian) countries provide similar, search on "Golden Visa". Invest in a business, invest in real estate, donate money to some sort of fund etc. Different details but "buying permanent residency" is not unusual.

Passacaglia 02-26-2025 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458472)
I thought you were joking. This is a fucking real thing. We're so worried about illegal immigrants that we'll just sell a path to citizenship for 5 mil.


Has it ever been anything other than hatred of poor people?

Atocep 02-26-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458477)
Honestly, it's not a big deal. There's already a path to US permanent residency (and then citizenship) if you are willing to invest $800K or so. Trump has increased the $. Some of the conditions may change but this path to "buying permanent residency" was already there.

Also, plenty of EU (and some Asian) countries provide similar, search on "Golden Visa". Invest in a business, invest in real estate, donate money to some sort of fund etc. Different details but "buying permanent residency" is not unusual.


Using the EU as justification is weak considering the right mocks the EU for things like healthcare, their tax laws, and general liberal lean. You don't get to pick and choose justification like that.

Speaking of healthcare, most of these countries have free healthcare systems and other benefits that you're effectively buying into since you would enjoy the benefits without paying a lifetime of taxes. There's logic to it.

Edward64 02-26-2025 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458481)
Using the EU as justification is weak considering the right mocks the EU for things like healthcare, their tax laws, and general liberal lean. You don't get to pick and choose justification like that.


I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just saying its "normal" for many countries.

Okay, don't like the EU example ...

Golden Visa Countries and Programs | Henley & Partners
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  1. Australia National Innovation Visa Program
  2. Austria Private Residence Program
  3. Canada Start-Up Visa Program
  4. Canada Quebec Investor Immigration Program
  5. Costa Rica Residence by Investment Program
  6. Cyprus Permanent Residence Program
  7. Greece Golden Visa Program
  8. Hong Kong Visa Programs
  9. Hungary Guest Investor Program
  10. Italy Residence by Investment Program
  11. Jersey Residence by Investment
  12. Latvia Residence by Investment Program
  13. Luxembourg Residence by Investment Program
  14. Malaysia My Second Home Program
  15. Malaysia Premium Visa Program
  16. Malta Permanent Residence Programme
  17. Mauritius Residence by Investment Program
  18. Monaco Residence
  19. Montenegro Residence
  20. Namibia Residence by Investment
  21. New Zealand Active Investor Plus Visa Program
  22. Panama Residence by Investment Program
  23. Portugal Golden Residence Permit Program
  24. Singapore Global Investor Program
  25. Spain Residence by Investment Program
  26. Swiss Residence Program
  27. Thailand Residence by Investment Program
  28. UAE Residence by Investment
  29. UK Innovator Founder Program
  30. US EB-5 Immigrant Investor Program


Don't know why but above list is not complete. Toss in some Caribbean islands (more Asian countries including Japan)

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The Caribbean countries with golden visa programs are Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Lucia.

And if you really don't like it, then blame whoever was in charge back in 1990 and all the Administrations that allowed it to continue.

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The EB-5 visa program was created in 1990 by the Immigration Act of 1990. The program allows foreign investors to become permanent residents of the United States by investing in U.S. businesses.

Atocep 02-26-2025 11:42 AM

Elon posted confusion on Twitter as to why planes don't just always fly a straight A to B path. This man is making decisions for the FAA.

Ksyrup 02-26-2025 12:01 PM

Yeah, having just cruised to the ABC islands, I read up on the ways to become citizens of many of these islands that include an "investment" option. It's not that unusual.

Swaggs 02-26-2025 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458441)
That does sound like real fraud. People on Medicare ain't going to have anymore babies :)

(... now Medicaid is another story)


People that qualify for Social Security Disability Insurance automatically receive Medicare and can, in fact, be of childbearing age. So, looking to take away an earned benefit (those that receive SSDI have to have worked enough to qualify) and further marginalize an already vulnerable population.

Edward64 02-26-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3458487)
People that qualify for Social Security Disability Insurance automatically receive Medicare and can, in fact, be of childbearing age. So, looking to take away an earned benefit (those that receive SSDI have to have worked enough to qualify) and further marginalize an already vulnerable population.


Thanks, did not know.

BYU 14 02-26-2025 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3458487)
People that qualify for Social Security Disability Insurance automatically receive Medicare and can, in fact, be of childbearing age. So, looking to take away an earned benefit (those that receive SSDI have to have worked enough to qualify) and further marginalize an already vulnerable population.


This, you can have people on Medicare in their 20's if meeting this requirement, so definitely possible as they also qualify for Medicaid secondary, at least in AZ. Just another prime example of someone looking at something, who has no clue what they they are looking at.

Edward64 02-26-2025 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458486)
Yeah, having just cruised to the ABC islands, I read up on the ways to become citizens of many of these islands that include an "investment" option. It's not that unusual.


Unfortunately, I do not have approx $250K to "invest". But if I did, which island did you like the best?

Ksyrup 02-26-2025 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458490)
Unfortunately, I do not have approx $250K to "invest". But if I did, which island did you like the best?


I'd have to spend more than 8-10 hours in each before I made that decision. As I recall, there are multiple types of investments depending on the country. Some were straight up cash, some were economic investments (starting a company and putting up $X of capital), and some were real estate purchase investments.

There's a website for Citizens International that has a full application process for "Caribbean Citizenship by Investment" programs.

JPhillips 02-26-2025 02:13 PM

Trump literally thinks he's going to pay off the national debt with this idea.

Danny 02-26-2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458492)
I'd have to spend more than 8-10 hours in each before I made that decision.



Poor excuse, Musk is deciding billion dollars in federal cuts affecting thousands to millions of people in less time. Get on it!

Swaggs 02-26-2025 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3458497)
Trump literally thinks he's going to pay off the national debt with this idea.


It's funny (not funny) you say that. For about 20-years, I have noticed that a lot of Republicans don't seem to understand the difference between the federal deficit and the national debt and I would almost bet my car that more than 10% of current congress members do not understand the difference.

GrantDawg 02-26-2025 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3458489)
This, you can have people on Medicare in their 20's if meeting this requirement, so definitely possible as they also qualify for Medicaid secondary, at least in AZ. Just another prime example of someone looking at something, who has no clue what they they are looking at.

But I did just misspeak. It is 40% of all births are on Medicaid. I mean, I know I'm the first to ever do that since those two sound nothing alike /sarcasm

RainMaker 02-26-2025 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3458497)
Trump literally thinks he's going to pay off the national debt with this idea.


They have nefarious motives (tax cuts for the rich) but they're also remarkably dumb people. No concept of how big the debt or where the money comes is going (defense primarily). The fact that someone convinced him that McKinley was smart and tariffs work should tell you all you need to know.

GrantDawg 02-26-2025 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458490)
Unfortunately, I do not have approx $250K to "invest". But if I did, which island did you like the best?

I bet you do. Remember, the cost of living is way lower than the US. I was watching some Youtube's of people that are living well just on their SS payments in Costa Rica (I believe it was). Between your house and retirement investments, I bet you could come up with $250k pretty easily. It is just a matter of what you have left to live on.
Heck, from what I have seen there are plenty of countries that you only have to prove you have a steady income, and a pretty low one at that. Youtube have lists of places from islands, Central American countries, to Eastern European countries that just require a small pension to move their.

JPhillips 02-26-2025 03:28 PM

Why would most rich people even do this? If you have that much money you can come to the US any time you want and stay for as long as you want. America is attractive for immigrants who believe it offers a better opportunity, but if you're already successful, what do you get?

RainMaker 02-26-2025 03:58 PM

American citizenship has a lot of value, especially if you're rich. This is mostly being done for wealthy Chinese and Saudi people who don't want to be hassled about their investments or political donations in this country.

Remember that Elon really really needs China to be happy for his businesses to survive. That's why they've been getting gift after gift from this administration.

NobodyHere 02-26-2025 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3455448)
Eggs are $4.19 today.

Thanks Trump


Eggs were $5.49 but had an online coupon from Krogers for a free dozen.

Am I suppose to blame or thank Trump here?

RainMaker 02-26-2025 04:11 PM

That's cheap. I just paid $7.99 here for the cheapest. For a little while, it was actually cheaper to buy the cage free eggs but they've gone up a lot too.

Edward64 02-26-2025 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3458507)
Why would most rich people even do this? If you have that much money you can come to the US any time you want and stay for as long as you want. America is attractive for immigrants who believe it offers a better opportunity, but if you're already successful, what do you get?


It's to hedge (with dual citizenship or permanent residency) from political stability like China & Russia.

I'd think it's also to hedge for the future of their immediate family and future generations if their country is threatened like Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.

And for many, I'd think also for tax purposes.

Edward64 02-26-2025 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3458510)
Eggs were $5.49 but had an online coupon from Krogers for a free dozen.

Am I suppose to blame or thank Trump here?


Thank Turkiye

reuters.com
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Turkey has begun exporting around 15,000 tonnes of eggs to the United States as a devastating outbreak of bird flu is slashing U.S. production and sending prices soaring, a leading sector official said on Wednesday.
Deaths of millions of laying hens imperil U.S. President Donald Trump's pledge to bring down everyday costs, as grocery stores ration supplies and restaurants raise prices for egg dishes.

Passacaglia 02-26-2025 04:22 PM

Makes sense. Turkey eggs probably taste just like chicken eggs anyway

Edward64 02-26-2025 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3458505)
I bet you do. Remember, the cost of living is way lower than the US. I was watching some Youtube's of people that are living well just on their SS payments in Costa Rica (I believe it was). Between your house and retirement investments, I bet you could come up with $250k pretty easily. It is just a matter of what you have left to live on.

Probably could come up with it but my disposable income/buffer would be less than I'd want. Also, I'd never want to move FT overseas, I'd want to maintain some sort of residence in the US and split a year. But yes, when I collect SS, that should help with quite a bit.

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Heck, from what I have seen there are plenty of countries that you only have to prove you have a steady income, and a pretty low one at that. Youtube have lists of places from islands, Central American countries, to Eastern European countries that just require a small pension to move their.
This is true. Also toss in Asian countries. Steady income doesn't just mean work income, could also mean pension/SS income.

Separate from the Golden Visa to get permanent residency, many countries have "retirement visas" that will grant you much less hassle going back-and-forth; allows you the privilege to stay 5-10-15 years and also renew; etc. Just can't work.


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