MAGA trying to come to grips with the Trump/Elon falling out and trying to get on the same page on a narrative is entertaining.

So far:

1.) It's a chess move of some sorts between these two brilliant men
2.) There's no way Trump is in the Epstein files. Ya know, because it's unthinkable that a guy that called Epstein a great friend would be in them.
3.) They're just two strong personalities that worked very closely together for 6 months and need to blow off steam.
4.) They're two men of god that need to pray and come back together to put the country first.

It's insight into just how unreachable these people are as voters.

Two men of god is the most ridiculous take on that list.

According to white nationalist nuts, they are "godly men." Which is defined as only concerned for themselves, their power, and hating anyone not like them.

Just like Jesus!

Abolish the party please.
https://www.semafor.com/article/06/0...ward-democrats

Surprise Surprise a lawsuit in Rockland County NY is going forward over the 2024 Presidential and Congressional elections:


LAWSUITS

Totally agree. 10% of loonies on either side and the 80% are not accommodated for.

The Musk hatred on this forum is bizarre. Any other country would be so grateful for a guy bringing so much wealth to a country via his businesses and trying to fight tooth and nail to stop the U.S. going bankrupt. Political brain washing has stopped intelligent people from seeing the world as it is. Especially those who spend so much time with like minded people who continue to reinforce each other's opinions.

Probably a good few decades before we see this play out. The only way out for the U.S. is enormous GDP growth led by AI and robots perhaps. Wonder who could help with that lol? That could happen, although my gut instinct is whatever the country makes, they will always spend more. That only ends one way.

I agree with this circa early days. But he's turned out to be an ass. Jobs & Gates were also reportedly asses (and probably any billionaire needs to be cut throat) but he's up there. Currently, especially the past 3-4 months, I would say his cons > pros.


Honestly, I don't think this is true. He overpromised and under delivered. His own official tracker said < $200B. Far less than the $2T he first committed to and then the $1T he revised to. And we know the big $ savings opportunities are in Defense, Social Security & Medicare. He bailed pretty early before even touching those. I don't disagree with overall goal of reducing deficit/debt but for his once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, his execution was terrible and the resistance grew. IMO this was more a platform for his "brand" than true desire to cut deficit/debt.

Now, if he does start this 3rd party for the middle-class and/or fund like minded politicians to reduce deficit/debt, I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

There's definitely echo chambers ... on both sides.

IMO the first step is to stop the bleeding. Get back to near/deficit neutral budgets which will require painful cuts in benefits, increased taxes and/or cuts in people & programs. Then work on the $36T+ debt.

Good Lord, please save us from any kind of extended conversation between you two dipshits.

@Hammer

I’m game if you want to see how long we can stretch this discussion out. Still lots of “both sides” to talk about

Musk’s companies exist to suck up government money.

Maybe you guys can summon Brian Swartz and form some kind of "classical liberal" Voltron that desperately gives itself flowers over and over and over again.

Sure.

It'll be the right wing, centrist/moderate version of you progressive "cancel culture" bros.

Pick out whatever cloak appeals at the moment, what's important is that you keep endlessly braying about how open minded you are.

There's no realistic way to get to a sustainable budget number without tax increases. So long as you want to cut taxes further, you aren't being serious about a balanced budget. It's all just performance for gutting entitlements and fucking over the elderly.

You do the same on "free speech" (for me and my bros, but not for thee)

You would think the world would have gotten a short reprieve from the sycophantic Musk stuff after he spent the past few months exposing himself as a drug addled conman. How can we survive without throwing hundreds of billions at a guy to blow up rockets and sell shitty overpriced EVs?

And you can't cut your way to a surplus without cutting defense.

Congratulations on making it to page 2 of the Stale Libertarian Guide to Sucking Yourself Off in Public.

Absolutely, and instead they increase it by 10-12% every year. It's insanity.

Seriously. Free speech is the ability to say something and not have the government take action against you for it. It is not being forced to listen to an opinion (hello mute button) or pretend it isn't shitty (hello post button).

Love it.

You win, you are much more creative sexually than I am.

Fair enough.

Keep on ignoring me. I don't attack first.

LOL. I'm 100% sure that Musk's various companies have sucked up far more government funds than they have contributed back in GDP, never mind taxes.

"...bUt he's a gEnIuS...."

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You guys would feel different if you had chosen the red pill!

Wins thread.

Great that you are back.

Still waiting for below. Just for easy reference, I'll put in a counter until you answer.

Reminder #1

Miller and Hegseth sure sound like they are working to invoke the Insurrection Act.

For supposedly making everything great again, we're supposedly having one "emergency" after another. Sounds a lot more like we're in total crisis instead.

Feels like they're crashing out. Trump likely fuming about his friend exposijg him as a pedophile and Miller upset his wife ditched him for Elon.

This is just a continuation of the authoritarian playbook. Things going poorly? Time to crack down on citizens.

The people cheering this on eventually become the targets as more people start to see through the bullshit.

Also pretty funny that the QAnon folks screamed about pedophiles running the country and suddenly got silent when Trump is exposed as one.

Suddenly?

Immigration is also the only issue Trump is polling positively on (barely). He's underwater on every other issue so they're going to dig their heels in on this and keep it in the media as much as possible.

Things would be so much worse under Biden, though. Glad we didn't re-elect that guy.

It would also be bad to have a President with dementia in power. You guys act like these were the only 2 options.

Did Marco Rubio really pretend to stumble after Trump stumbled getting on a plane?

It wasn't even close to a believable fake stumble. These guys are so weird.

Like, what grown adult would willingly do something like they? Like I'll take stumble to make a kid laugh, but to curry favor with my boss?

It's insane people worship this group of weak people.

I mean whoever was making the decisions for Biden would be better than Trump but Biden was a terrible candidate for this election. Ultimately he gave the election to Trump.

All their alpha stuff is massive projection. Weak people who are submissive to others. To some it's probably a kink.

You don't want to be the guy close to the dictator that the dictator doesn't like.

Marines mobilized.

Who needs a Constitution?

The fact that the news is covering it as something he did as opposed to an unconstitutional thing he's doing is insane.

If the US survives, these Marines and their leaders need to be tried for treason when this is done.

Lost in all of this is the fact that RFK Jr. fired the entire vaccine advisory committee. Can’t wait to see who he decides should be deciding our countries vaccine schedules.

All because his friend exposed him as a pedophile.

All they have to do is remove a vaccine from the recommended vaccines list and insurers will no longer have to cover it, which means most people won't get it. The damage will be done.

They helping Gavin Newsom rebuild his image that has taken a beating in the last couple of months.

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It's so funny because Newsom blew up his 2028 chances over the past few months and if Trump does something like arrest him, he becomes the heavy favorite overnight.



Newsom has to be praying for this.

Daring them.

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If this was the wrestling thread, we'd be talking about how the booker is doing a great job building up Newsom for a title run.

There's always a tweet

Trump said he plans on effectively shutting FEMA down after this hurricane season. They plan giving the minimum amount of federal funding for disasters and expect states to take care of everything else. Considering the red states often hit by natural disasters are among the poorest in the country, this should go over really well.

I hope Trump continues to squeeze Musk in his business contracts, his business network, his personal life (denaturalization and then deportation!) etc. I think EV, solar, AI has plenty of other options but admittedly SpaceX is still a giant.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/11/elon...-showdown.html

Generally, the men who think masculinity is being destroyed are the weakest of them all.

Can someone with a business degree from Wharton please parse Trump's tweet about his latest "deal" announcement with China? It seems like what we had before, but with more tariffs.

Musk walking back his comments on Twitter, so the threat has likely already been relayed, fucking Clowns

Trump going to see Les Mis while sending troops into an American city is beyond parody

This dude is making me ashamed to be white. Way to stand up against naming bases after Dwight D. Freaking Eisenhower you tool US Army to bring back names of 7 bases that once honored Confederate leaders | CNN Politics

The ... creativity ... inspired by having to find candidates with matching names.
{eyeroll}

Those of us who realize they never should have been changed in the first place can only mildly appreciate that they names at least sound right again, but at the same time we disgusted at the lack of judgement, character, or will to put them back to their rightful namesakes.

It's literally a "solution" that feels more like a hollow gesture than anything else.

Why would we want army bases named after losers? Do we name monuments after Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis?

Most were for specific battlefield acumen rather than outcomes. (I'd have to go through the list in detail to find the exceptions and let's face it, it's too fn early in the morning for that kinda detail work)

And we do have a certain tradition in the country for naming things after tragic figures.

Yeah, right. The military acumen of Braxton Bragg :lol:

I said most ;)

edit to add: There's also Fort Polk, which was named in what feels like it had to be intentional shade. A man so inept on the battlefield that the Union shell that killed him was described as one of the most unfortunate -- for the North -- ever fired.

(He's considerably responsible for some of Bragg's worst moments, quite possibly intentionally)

It just seems odd we honor people who fought against the US under a different flag.

Of course, I also find it odd people are so upset about Columbus Day being changed when he literally never stepped foot in the (future) country. If anything it should be Ponce de Leon day, but I assume that name isn't Anglican enough.

Here are some more:

Pickett - famous for the horrible decision of REL on day 3 at Gettysburg but what isn't as well known is that he left his troops to attend a Shad bake at Petersburg. This directly led to the Union breakthrough at Petersburg.

Hood - Peter principle incarnate. Disastrous charge at Franklin led to the end of any significant Confederate presence in the West.

Gordon - nothing comes to mind other than his opposition to Reconstruction

Lee - Good at tactics, bad at strategy. Cruel slaveowner that watched as black people were stripped and beaten in front of him. After the brutal whipping (50 lashes), he ordered brine to be poured over the wounds to continue the torture. Fought in court to keep people enslaved that his wife inherited even though the will specified that they should be set free. I think he may have had a weird relationship with his daughters. Something is off there...

Polk - Horrible general in the West under the even worse general Bragg. They fought constantly and their inept leadership led to Rosecrans taking Chattanooga and Sherman taking Atlanta. Complete failure of a general.

AP Hill - Middling general at best. At least Stonewall Jackson had some success even if he was a total weirdo. Hill was just a douchebag with mediocre performance.

I'd still probably argue that Polk was worse. One of President Davis worst errors was befriending this mfer.

A SC house rep was arrested for sharing kiddie porn. He used the name joebidennn69.

These people would be funny if they weren't so evil.

Considering our lack of success in recent wars, it sort of seems fitting. Losing culture leads to losses.

It is still so funny to me that they named something after Bragg and Polk. Like that is shit you'd do as a prank. I thought even the South despised those guys. They used to think Polk was working secretly for the Union because he was so incompetent.

Anyone here with some legal background can answer this? My gut says that a pardon would just qualify for the crime that they were convicted of, not any other crimes that were discovered in the process of that. Or would it be part of that "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine?

Former Jan. 6 defendant Kyle Colton says Donald Trump's pardon also covers his child pornography charge because it stemmed from the J6 search warrant. https://t.co/gpcsDTPUAs pic.twitter.com/jqKHtXA5GM

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) June 12, 2025

Can you fix the link?


edit: Thanks

CA Sen Padilla was forcibly removed and arrested after showing up at a public press conference to ask Sec. Noem some questions.

The footage is crazy and the GOP is full on defending it. We’ve gone completely authoritarian.

Not a lawyer, but I have watched a lot of Law and Order. :)
No, the pardon will not protect him here. The search warrant was legal at the time it was served. The pardon does not change that. Lots of chutzpah to try that, though.

Whatever, they were literal traitors. We shouldn't be naming anything after literal traitors.

The almost-Union-equivalent would be renaming Atlanta "Granttown". Which, honestly, we should do, just to send a message to people who still claim the Confederacy as their "culture".

We're a few years out from breaking ground on Fort McVeigh

Checks out. These folks are a wee bit too invested in children's genitals. Now we know why.

Judge Breyer (brother of former SCOTUS Steohen Breyer) just heard the case on the CA NG being nationalized. Considering how many times he compared the President's position on the case to that of a monarch, I don't think he is inclined to side with the government.

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How could Biden continue to let hard working immigrants be deported?

I know Biden was cooked mentally but there is really not enough attention being brought to the fact that Trump seems like he's on the same path. Listening to his posts and him talking, his mind is just mashed potatoes at this point.

I hate these criminals and killers who are FLOODING into our country and TAKING OUR $9/hour JOBS PICKING FRUITS AND VEGETABLES IN THE HEAT or working MOPPING FLOORS AND CLEANING BATHROOMS

Judge Breyer does order the NG being returned to the Governor's command. Expect an immediate appeal.

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Or just ignoring the ruling.

Oh boy. Israel attacks Iran. Trump will be meeting with his National Security Council...at 11 am tomorrow

From ending the war in Ukraine in 24 hours to basically being told where to go by Israel as they start the biggest crisis in the middle east in a generation. Couldn't even give him the courtesy of finishing out his negotiations this weekend.

It seems like this presidency is going exactly how people feared it would go. This last week in particular seems to have taken a dark turn.

Hope the weather is nice for their golf outing.

I finally came across on one those people. Was walking the dog and walked by a lady in a Mercedes blasting Killing in the Name of. After she passed I turned around and her car had a Trump sticker and a Thin Blue Line sticker.

Fuck you just do what Trump tells you!

I've seen a lot of people on Dropkick murphys boards lately be like "I love their music, just leave politics out of it"

See it with Bruce also (we are from the same home town so a lot of it comes from local groups)

It's like people don't listen to the lyrics.

Oh to be that out of touch......Obviously her sugar daddy bought her the car.

Can't beat the Punisher logo with the blue lives matter flag.

I would say 98% of the US is oblivious to the underlying sentiment in the lyrics of Born in the USA. And that's probably being charitable.

Fortunate Son is another good one.

Edit: Rockin' in the Free World

DKM and Rise against both do awesome covers of Fortunate Son

The second post of this thread, which was from Edward, has a pretty good list of "hopes", which could be turned around into "fears", if you wanted. Or, at any rate, let's analyze:


1. There's no particular evidence that the borders are more secure than before, despite all the deportation activity. Legal tourism is down and bookings for the future are cratering, though, so that's great. And absolutely zero movement on reforming immigration.

2. Economy is shrinking, anything from another recession to stagflation is now a serious concern for this administration, especially when Powell's term is up. Stock market is OK for now.

3. LOL No, going in the opposite direction.

4. Trump managed to get countries in Asia to strengthen alliances with each other and with China which I'm not sure was the goal.

5. LOL No, going in the opposite direction.

6. LOL No, going in the opposite direction.

7. LOL No, going in the opposite direction.

8. LOL No, going in the opposite direction.

The Trump Administration is a failure for all Americans, save those few who just want to see other people hurt, billionaires, or those heavily invested in the defense industry.

Now lets see which members of Congress bought defense stocks a week ago.

I figure most people still don't know what Born in the USA is about. Probably people in your hometown are more likely to know it though.