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RainMaker 03-10-2025 05:34 PM

"Strategic Bitcoin Reserve" already down $2 billioin.

flere-imsaho 03-10-2025 06:02 PM

Looking forward to the Trump Recession (tm).

BishopMVP 03-10-2025 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3459453)
Looking forward to the Trump Recession (tm).

It's the Biden Recession buddy, and you're not a true patriot if you're not happy about a 3% contraction in GDP or something.

cuervo72 03-10-2025 07:03 PM

Oh, I’ve seen FB replies stating that we were already in a recession during Biden’s presidency. So yeah.

GrantDawg 03-11-2025 12:14 AM

The economy is tanking, but Trump is going in the morning to buy a Tesla to help save Elmo's company.

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dubb93 03-11-2025 05:24 AM

Nothing says I hear your concerns about the economy quite like going and paying cash for a Tesla.

cuervo72 03-11-2025 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3459472)
The economy is tanking, but Trump is going in the morning to buy a Tesla to help save Elmo's company.


Honest question - what the hell is he going to do with it? He doesn't drive, and he's not going to ride in one. I don't know if anyone in his family drives. I can't imagine him just giving it away. So if he were to actually buy one, where would it go?

JPhillips 03-11-2025 09:58 AM

He's probably going to pretend to buy it.

Fidatelo 03-11-2025 11:22 AM

More tariffs, more threats to Canada's sovereignty. 6 weeks ago I assumed we had until sometime next year before an invasion but the way this is escalating I won't be shocked if it happens this summer. Fuck this.

BishopMVP 03-11-2025 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 3459494)
More tariffs, more threats to Canada's sovereignty. 6 weeks ago I assumed we had until sometime next year before an invasion but the way this is escalating I won't be shocked if it happens this summer. Fuck this.

Trump vs Rob Ford's brother is the political theatre we deserve.

Ksyrup 03-11-2025 02:21 PM

Suddenly, Le'Veon Bell's Trump support makes much more sense...

PilotMan 03-11-2025 02:46 PM

I never thought I'd come in here and see a Le'Veon Bell reference in 2025.

Danny 03-11-2025 02:56 PM

Trump kind of runs the country like a high school runs his madden team.

GrantDawg 03-11-2025 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459489)
He's probably going to pretend to buy it.

Ding ding ding. My guess is no actual money or vehicle changes hands. All just a big photo op. One that is the height of hypocrisy considering the attacks he has made on EV's. I mean, he would never ride in one because he might get electrocuted riding over a puddle.
They have a line of Tesla's outside the White House for him to choose from, but you know he is buying the dumpster on wheels.

JPhillips 03-11-2025 03:16 PM

Quote:

Bloomberg alerts:
*TRUMP ON CUTTING CANADA TARIFFS: LOOKING AT IT
*TRUMP: LOOKING AT BACKING DOWN ON THE 50% DUTIES ON CANADA
*TRUMP: MAY BACK OFF DOUBLING STEEL, ALUMINUM CANADA TARIFFS
*TRUMP ON CANADA: WILL PROBABLY MAKE DIFFERENT TARIFF DECISION

Good, I guess, but hard to run things with this level of indecision.

JPhillips 03-11-2025 03:20 PM

Congress is supposed to have to vote on tariffs after 15 days, but the GOP has come up with a clever workaround, just declare that time doesn't pass.

Quote:

“Each day for the remainder of the 119th Congress shall not constitute a calendar day”

PilotMan 03-11-2025 04:11 PM

What? Is that real?

Passacaglia 03-11-2025 04:34 PM

It was a bright cold day in April (okay March I guess), and the clocks were striking thirteen.

SirFozzie 03-11-2025 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3459526)
What? Is that real?


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/u...-gop-vote.html

edit:

https://x.com/KDbyProxy/status/18995...254849/photo/1

RainMaker 03-11-2025 05:46 PM

We are finally defunding the police.




RainMaker 03-11-2025 05:54 PM

I was trying to think of what the conservative platform is like these days and the only thing I can come up with is some right-wing "Great Leap Forward". Heavy on the nationalism, fight against intellectuals and science, low IQ radicals in charge, and the state having a huge imprint on industry.

The parallels are pretty striking. We're even getting the "just have your own chickens if you want eggs".

Ghost Econ 03-11-2025 06:12 PM

The conservative platform is Paula Abdul and MC Skat Kat If there were no steps forward.

Ksyrup 03-11-2025 06:22 PM

Paula Abdul, circa 2008.

Kodos 03-11-2025 06:23 PM

R.I.P. MC Skat Kat .He took two steps back and fell off of a fiscal cliff. :(

JPhillips 03-11-2025 06:28 PM

Fetterman says he'll never vote to shut down the government. I expect Dems to cave pretty easily and line up behind this short term budget. They just don't have any fight in them.

GrantDawg 03-11-2025 06:48 PM

New ad: "Buy a Telsa. Become a target for domestic terrorism."

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Ksyrup 03-11-2025 06:58 PM

Did I really see that Trump is advertising $1K off Tesla with his referral code? WTF universe am I living in?

Atocep 03-11-2025 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3459543)
Did I really see that Trump is advertising $1K off Tesla with his referral code? WTF universe am I living in?


Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

PilotMan 03-11-2025 07:52 PM

Idiotcracy as in, the right is trying tie funding to prioritize areas have the highest birth rates.

Atocep 03-11-2025 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3459548)
Idiotcracy as in, the right is trying tie funding to prioritize areas have the highest birth rates.


Make teen pregnancy great again.

NobodyHere 03-11-2025 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459549)
Make teen pregnancy great again.


I've been trying that for years but I keep getting arrested.

flere-imsaho 03-11-2025 08:37 PM

The amazing thing is that the denouement of Idiocracy is the realization that the government mandating the use of a salt-heavy energy drink to water & fertilize crops wouldn't even make the top 10 of the most stupid things done by the Trump Administration, and we're only 2 months into this thing.

Drake 03-11-2025 11:28 PM

If you would have told me two months ago that the GOP would be the party of EVs in March 2025, I wouldn't have believed you.

Ghost Econ 03-12-2025 06:08 AM

They aren't, they're the party of Tesla. If anything they're trying to destroy the rest of the EV market.

JPhillips 03-12-2025 05:28 PM

Sounds like Dems are going to pretend to fight the short erm budget. The plan is to vote for cloture and then vote on an amendment that would fund the government for only a month. That's certain to fail, so Dems are really just caving to the GOP budget.

CrimsonFox 03-12-2025 07:02 PM


GrantDawg 03-12-2025 07:25 PM

Seen on Bluesky:
"gavin newsom: thanks for joining us on the pod today…now childcare is obviously difficult, do you have any suggestions?

casey anthony: so many"

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PilotMan 03-13-2025 07:38 AM

Looks like Wal-Mart went to China and demanded they lower the cost of their supply items by as much as 10% to counteract the expected rise from tarrifs. The Chinese did not agree. Doesn't mean that something won't be worked out but clearly tarrifs impact consumers. Wally has been in trumps pocket for a long time. They will want to make it look like there's no impact as much as possible.

Ghost Econ 03-13-2025 08:45 AM

Can't wait for the explosion of US champagne thats produced in Illinois.

HerRealName 03-13-2025 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3459616)
Can't wait for the explosion of US champagne thats produced in Illinois.


I lived in that area for almost 10 years and I regret to inform you that the Champaign there essentially has a fragrance of manure. :)

NobodyHere 03-13-2025 09:02 AM

Manure is really not that bad a word...

HerRealName 03-13-2025 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3459618)
Manure is really not that bad a word...


It's a wonderful word and almost as evocative as the phrase "corn sweat". I miss that smell.

dubb93 03-13-2025 06:18 PM

Schumer tipping his hand and announcing he’s voting to keep the government open like the master politician he is.

flere-imsaho 03-13-2025 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3459616)
Can't wait for the explosion of US champagne thats produced in Illinois.


Ahem. In Illinois we call it "sparkling corruption".

Atocep 03-13-2025 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3459617)
I lived in that area for almost 10 years and I regret to inform you that the Champaign there essentially has a fragrance of manure. :)


There was a baseball field that my son played youth games at that sat downwind from a mushroom farm. Those hot summer games were a treat.

Edward64 03-14-2025 03:56 AM

T-0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3459325)
A tough decision for the Dems. My guess is the Senate Dems don't have the stomach to hold out or, if they do, it won't be for long.


Today is the day! Not too surprised that Schumer conceded so quickly which leads me to believe enough Dem senators will concede the fight.

Sometimes you gotta pick your battles, and I don't see majority supporting a shutdown on "principles" especially since Trump has shown ability to impose his will on those principles regardless (and the courts seem to be fighting back right now); shutdown will adversely impact normal people; and my speculation is if there is going to be a recession, Dems don't want to give GOP any more ammo to say it was the Dem's shutdown that caused it (perception > reality).

My preference is hold firm on the debt ceiling fight coming up later this year. But then, many Dems have favored increasing/removing the debt ceiling in the past (just like GOP are doing now) so who knows.

Ghost Econ 03-14-2025 08:38 AM

I thought guns don't kill people, people kill people?

Musk Retweets Post Saying Hitler Didn’t Murder Millions

Mota 03-14-2025 09:47 AM

Wow, he really hates government employees.

RainMaker 03-14-2025 10:04 AM

It's also because Schumer has a book tour starting next week.

RainMaker 03-14-2025 01:50 PM

Some other news:

1) Biden talked to Harris before her debate and essentially told her not to deviate from him and that his legacy was important to keep intact.

2) 5 house Democrats have died in office in the past 11 months. The most recent was 77 years old and had terminal lung cancer when he ran.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3459687)
I thought guns don't kill people, people kill people?

Musk Retweets Post Saying Hitler Didn’t Murder Millions


I'm sure the ADL will be up in arms!

JonInMiddleGA 03-14-2025 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459705)
The most recent was 77 years old and had terminal lung cancer when he ran.


Out of curiosity: did the candidate know that? and did the voters know that?

(I'm not even looking to toss any stones about it, I'm legit curious how it was handled from a campaigning standpoint)

RainMaker 03-14-2025 02:24 PM

Yes. I guess he was diagnosed in the beginning of April. Seems like he was unopposed in the primary. He did say he would be able to work through it but hasn't been in Washington for some time now which is understandable.

JonInMiddleGA 03-14-2025 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459707)
Yes. I guess he was diagnosed in the beginning of April. Seems like he was unopposed in the primary. He did say he would be able to work through it but hasn't been in Washington for some time now which is understandable.


Unopposed primary and diagnosis likely came to light after qualifying had closed. State law would vary as to whether replacing him on the ballot was even an option. And state law for replacing him would vary. There's an odd ... logic ... to basically electing him as a sort of placeholder for the eventual replacement.

It's at least better than a local state House race here a couple (few?) years ago. Candidate died maybe 10 days before the election, no time to reprint ballots. His deceased status was on the door of every polling place ... and he won a three-way primary with ease (no other opposition in November).

Election officials ultimately decided (and got by with) to simply ignore those votes and give the win to the 2nd place finisher ... someone that voters preferred a dead man to putting in office.

RainMaker 03-14-2025 03:43 PM

I guess the deadline in Arizona is April 1 and he announced the diagnosis on April 2. Still feels like a 77 year old who had been dealing with health issues that earlier that prevented him from voting might want to step aside. I think even a healthy 77 year old has like a 20% chance of dying during the term regardless.

NobodyHere 03-14-2025 03:47 PM

Trump's 200% Tariff on European Alcohol Causes Pete Hegseth to Angrily Resign - Borowitz Report

:p

Front Office Midget 03-14-2025 04:05 PM

Elon Musk likening federal workers to the gestapo? And it's only like 6 weeks into this administration... Holy shit.

Edward64 03-14-2025 06:16 PM

CR passed. Next deadline is Sep 30.

Quote:

Earlier, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and nine others crossed party lines to advance the bill in a key procedural vote, despite intensifying pressure from across the Democratic Party.

Danny 03-15-2025 01:22 PM

NCES eliminated
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/educ...jm_V6G4UBhu5ew

GrantDawg 03-15-2025 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3459750)

Red states can't be dead last in education if there is no report to say that.

Atocep 03-15-2025 02:22 PM

We're saving the country by making sure racist views are considered and held equal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oom-rcna196582

Ksyrup 03-15-2025 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459762)
We're saving the country by making sure racist views are considered and held equal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oom-rcna196582


But never fear, diversity and inclusion is a requirement when the target is a right-wing hack!

After JD Vance is booed, Kennedy Center head urges 'diversity and inclusion'

Quote:

Several staffers, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of fear for retribution, told The Post that they were confused by the email, particularly its defense of diversity and inclusion, a principle the Trump administration has assailed in public statements and executive actions.

Atocep 03-15-2025 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3459763)
But never fear, diversity and inclusion is a requirement when the target is a right-wing hack!

After JD Vance is booed, Kennedy Center head urges 'diversity and inclusion'



They've moved the goalposts so much on what their anti-DEI movement is that they don't even know anymore.

Mota 03-15-2025 03:29 PM

I went to my local liquor store in Ontario, and it's like American booze never existed. It's GONE. There's a tiny section in the vintages area that is a bit understocked. But the California wine section which was probably the biggest wine section in the store, has been replaced with more international wines.

CrimsonFox 03-15-2025 08:59 PM

I always say, no one hates democrats more than other democrats

JPhillips 03-15-2025 10:29 PM

https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature...calvin-rogers/

Notice the bullshit DEImedal of honor? This is the new URL for the now deleted page of an African-American Medal of Honor winner. Just being black is enough to be deleted now.

Fidatelo 03-16-2025 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3459766)
I went to my local liquor store in Ontario, and it's like American booze never existed. It's GONE. There's a tiny section in the vintages area that is a bit understocked. But the California wine section which was probably the biggest wine section in the store, has been replaced with more international wines.



I was at a Liquor Mart here in Manitoba yesterday and instead of removing the US booze from shelves they have just covered all the product with garbage bags. I'd prefer it was all just gone like yours in Ontario, and ideally replaced with new Canadian options when the inter-provincial rules get relaxed, but I do get a little kick out of the symbolism of it.

JPhillips 03-16-2025 12:49 PM

Crazy how everyone in the GOP now wears Trump style makeup.


CrimsonFox 03-16-2025 01:15 PM

they certainly ARE turning around this economy. It was going up during biden and they are defginitely making sure it tanks

PilotMan 03-16-2025 02:48 PM

Light it on fire, and celebrate your efforts to put it out.

JPhillips 03-16-2025 06:24 PM

The government is not bound by U.S. laws over international waters is a scary new argument.

GrantDawg 03-16-2025 06:27 PM

There is a little bit of "they are gone what, what are you going to do about it " in that. That is the whole philosophy of the White House right now. Push it so far that it can't be brought back.

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Atocep 03-16-2025 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459806)
The government is not bound by U.S. laws over international waters is a scary new argument.


So the government could shoot down a plane carrying a political enemy as long as its over international waters?

RainMaker 03-17-2025 02:44 AM

Feels like an opposition party might want tO ask why so many alerts didn't go out or went out too late during the tornadoes the other day that killed an unusually high number of people right after gutting the NOAA.

Lathum 03-17-2025 05:02 AM

Trump trying to undo all of Biden’s pardons. I’m sure that’s will turn the markets around.

GrantDawg 03-17-2025 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3459822)
Trump trying to undo all of Biden’s pardons. I’m sure that’s will turn the markets around.

And in doing so creating a shit-storm that I have to admit is quite impressive. He is claming the pardons are void because they were signed by autopen and not in President Biden's hand, and Biden had no knowledge that the pardons were happening. To fight that is going to require subpoenas to Biden, that is likely going to open up competency hearings on whether Biden is mentally fit to testify, which then could entail mental competency questions on basically anything he signed in the last days of his Presidency. This could get crazy.

flere-imsaho 03-17-2025 08:25 AM

Wish Merrick Garland had moved with this kind of speed on some of Trump's obvious criming in office.

Mota 03-17-2025 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3459825)
And in doing so creating a shit-storm that I have to admit is quite impressive. He is claming the pardons are void because they were signed by autopen and not in President Biden's hand, and Biden had no knowledge that the pardons were happening. To fight that is going to require subpoenas to Biden, that is likely going to open up competency hearings on whether Biden is mentally fit to testify, which then could entail mental competency questions on basically anything he signed in the last days of his Presidency. This could get crazy.


Biden just needs to send a tweet saying he issued them, it's basically the same as when Trump declassified all of the info via either a tweet or in his own brain.

GrantDawg 03-17-2025 09:13 AM

But did Biden actually send the tweet? Did he actually know what the tweet was about, or did he just do what Jill told him to do? If the question is mental competentcy, everything comes into question.
It should be that they would need some hard proof Biden didn't know about the pardons. They shouldn't just be able to make an assertion without evidence. But then who knows? They get this in front of the right judge, and then of course how will the Supreme Court decide it is always the question.

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Atocep 03-17-2025 10:39 AM

And we have a leaked memo this morning where the administration outlines and acknowledges their plan to sabotage social security.

PilotMan 03-17-2025 10:56 AM

Like they are with the post office? I mailed 2 pieces certified on the 28th. One went to Frankfort which is about 60 miles south of me and the other to Kansas City. Both should have been delivered by the 3rd. The one in state took an extra week, 10 days in total, and the other one seems to be stuck in the system and still hasn't arrived 17 days later.

PilotMan 03-17-2025 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459844)
And we have a leaked memo this morning where the administration outlines and acknowledges their plan to sabotage social security.



link


Quote:

On March 12, the day before the Diaz memo was sent, the Washington Post reported that the SSA was considering a proposal to "end telephone service for claims processing." That move, the paper reported, "would disrupt Social Security’s internal operations and threaten its ability to serve the public, current and former officials warned."
In response to the Washington Post's article, the SSA issued a press release saying that "reports in the media that Social Security plans to eliminate telephone services are inaccurate." Rather, the press release said, phone service would only be eliminated in cases where beneficiaries need to change their banking information.
The March 13 Diaz memo appears to be a way of implementing the original policy without technically ending telephone service for claims processing. Under the system described in the memo, customers can still use the phone to submit an application for a claim. The claim, however, would be considered "unverified" until an ID was verified through the internet or in person.
The SSA source believes the Diaz memo "is DOGE’s workaround." The agency can technically claim that Americans can still make claims over the phone. But the fine print of the new policy means these claims will never be approved without using the internet or making an in-person visit.


flere-imsaho 03-17-2025 11:05 AM

Just completely ignoring the Judicial Branch now. Rule of law? What rule of law?

Quote:

A Brown University medical professor was deported to Lebanon over the weekend despite having a valid US work visa, defying a judge’s order blocking her immediate removal from the country.

The case centering on Rasha Alawieh, 34, comes as Donald Trump’s second presidential administration has been escalating its immigration policies and attacking universities.

On Sunday, the US deported more than 250 migrants, allegedly members of a Venezuelan and Salvadorian gang, to El Salvador despite a judge’s order halting the flights.

Where does it stop, Trump apologists like Edward?

Atocep 03-17-2025 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3459847)
Just completely ignoring the Judicial Branch now. Rule of law? What rule of law?



Where does it stop, Trump apologists like Edward?


He can just sue and it'll all be ok.

Ksyrup 03-17-2025 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3459845)
Like they are with the post office? I mailed 2 pieces certified on the 28th. One went to Frankfort which is about 60 miles south of me and the other to Kansas City. Both should have been delivered by the 3rd. The one in state took an extra week, 10 days in total, and the other one seems to be stuck in the system and still hasn't arrived 17 days later.


We got some coupons from Meijer that were a month's worth of coupons that applied each week (like, $5-10 a week for 4 weeks). Since we were going on vacation and our kids could use them more than us, my wife took a simple birthday card, put the coupons in, and mailed it from Lexington to our daughter in Covington. The card arrived last week, 2 weeks after the last coupon expired.

Back in December, my mom sent a card to each of our kids with a check inside for Christmas. She sent it on December 13th. One came the day after Christmas, the other in early January.

Atocep 03-17-2025 02:23 PM

Our agency is now offering Bible study twice a month during work hours.

No recognizing cultural awareness during work but Bible study is OK.

flere-imsaho 03-17-2025 03:39 PM

Meanwhile the DoD has removed references to the Navajo Code Talkers: Just a moment...

Ghost Econ 03-17-2025 03:49 PM

Nothing says making America great like wiping out Native Americans.

JonInMiddleGA 03-17-2025 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3459847)
Where does it stop, Trump apologists like Edward?


Apologize? For what, doing something rather obviously right?

As for stopping? Maybe once every fucking piece of shit like that worthless bitch is out of the country, but that's going to take a while.

And anybody that gets in the way of doing something THIS obviously correct can go the fuck right on with 'em. Some oxygen wasting federal judges might be a good place to start.

RainMaker 03-17-2025 05:12 PM

Maybe you should just hop on Grindr already and get it out of your system man.

Ksyrup 03-17-2025 05:44 PM

When someone shows more empathy for a college basketball team getting a second-rate tournament invite rescinded than for human beings, there's really no point in engaging.

Edward64 03-17-2025 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3459874)
Apologize? For what, doing something rather obviously right?


Eh, don't sweat it. I responded in the Immigration thread. Hezbollah sympathizer who attended Nasrallah's funeral.

RainMaker 03-17-2025 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3459881)
Hezbollah sympathizer who attended Nasrallah's funeral.


Not a crime.

Edward64 03-17-2025 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459882)
Not a crime.


Doesn't have to be ... even pre-Trump.

Edward64 03-17-2025 06:42 PM

CNN Compares AOC's Rise to Post-Obama Republican Party
Quote:

Washington Post reporter Paul Kane agreed. “Think of it this way,” he said. “If you’re a voter 30 and under, you’ve only participated in three elections, two of them Donald Trump won, one of them Joe Biden won. They’re all over 70 years old when they won. There [are] millions of voters out there craving something new, something younger, something closer to them.”
This is true. Can't blame the younger generation.

Quote:

A new SSRS poll released March 16 revealed the majority of Democrats polled believe the party needs to do more to “stop the Republican agenda,” CNN revealed.

When asked to name “the Democratic leader they feel ‘best reflects the core values’ of the party, 10% of respondents named Ocasio-Cortez (9% named former vice president Kamala Harris, 8% named Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and 6% named House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries).
I can see the Dems positioning AOC and can see the < 40 (?) embrace her. I think she'll be too divisive to win, but then again, look at what Trump has done.

HerRealName 03-17-2025 06:52 PM

The centrists hate progressives as much as Trump and more than any normal Republicans if any still exist. The DNC would never allow AOC to win nomination. They would rather run Liz Cheney.

RainMaker 03-17-2025 06:55 PM

Yeah, the Dems will never allow her or anyone popular with working class voters to run. Heck, even Pritzker will get squashed by the party if he runs. It'll be Newsom, Shapiro, or Harris.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3459885)
Doesn't have to be ... even pre-Trump.


I know, not that the rule of law means a whole lot these days. Basing your immigration policy around the whims of a reviled foreign country seems like a great way to keep talent and investment out. Not to mention how weak it makes us look to have a country repeatedly humiliate our President.

JPhillips 03-17-2025 07:37 PM

Anybody can win a primary. All the conspiracy thinking just isn't true. The big problem for a lot of the progressives is that they have little support in the black community and you can't win the nomination without a lot of middle-aged black votes. That was Bernie's problem, not some imagined conspiracy to give the nomination to someone else.

RainMaker 03-17-2025 07:53 PM

Well it seems like no one supports the moderate Dems these days. And it's not a conspiracy that the DNC puts their thumb on the scale in primaries.

RainMaker 03-17-2025 07:55 PM

I mean we are coming off an election where the party threatened to blacklist anyone who ran against Biden and then canceled a bunch of primaries.

JPhillips 03-17-2025 08:36 PM

Everything was rigged against Obama and he just won the primary. Losers complain about how elections are unfair when they lose.


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