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kingfc22 03-04-2025 08:25 AM

Target and Best Buy CEO both say prices are going up.

I lose track of these things…which store is currently not “canceled” by the MAGAts that we should be looking out for to say they are raising prices to cause a .00001% blip on the radar?

Edward64 03-04-2025 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458963)
But a shutdown game of chicken/stare down will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the Dems (e.g. how much resistance they put up).


Timely, article just came out addressing my comment above ...

Just a moment...
Quote:

Senior House Democrats have spent recent days privately surveying their members about whether they’d be willing to shut the government down over DOGE cuts, according to multiple well-placed Democratic sources I spoke to over the weekend.

So far, they’re encountering little resistance.

Democrats of all persuasions, even some centrists who have long been firmly anti-shutdown, feel that voting for a “clean” spending bill would be tacitly blessing Musk’s controversial work. Denying Republicans the votes they’ll need to keep the agencies open, they believe, would be the lesser evil.
Quote:

A senior Democratic lawmaker was blunter: “At some point you’ve got to have a goddamn backbone. I am not giving them a blank check until September.”

HerRealName 03-04-2025 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3458966)
Target and Best Buy CEO both say prices are going up.

I lose track of these things…which store is currently not “canceled” by the MAGAts that we should be looking out for to say they are raising prices to cause a .00001% blip on the radar?


Target has pissed off everyone (including the founder's daughters) at this point.

JPhillips 03-04-2025 09:46 AM

How do you make a deal with the GOP when Trump has shown he won't honor the terms of the deal?

Ksyrup 03-04-2025 10:47 AM

Keep the hits coming. I hope Canada does the export bans, I hope social security misses payments as an ex-agency head is warning could happen. Just heap tons and tons of bad shit on us, because we deserve it.

The only way people wake up is when things directly affect them. It happened with Covid, now measles, etc. Let's endure some real pain to maybe squeeze some common sense into some heads. It's not all fun and games when the pain isn't just directed at the people you hate. Fuck 'em all. I voted against my self-interest, and I'm in fairly good shape to withstand the pain of the choices made by others. Let them reap the consequences of their stupidity.

Atocep 03-04-2025 10:58 AM

There's enormous pressure on dems to go after DOGE. I don't see another CR this time unless it's a very short one to wrap up a deal. I think we're either going to get a budget or we shut down.

sovereignstar v2 03-04-2025 11:05 AM


Kodos 03-04-2025 11:17 AM

:D

Lathum 03-04-2025 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458975)
Keep the hits coming. I hope Canada does the export bans, I hope social security misses payments as an ex-agency head is warning could happen. Just heap tons and tons of bad shit on us, because we deserve it.

The only way people wake up is when things directly affect them. It happened with Covid, now measles, etc. Let's endure some real pain to maybe squeeze some common sense into some heads. It's not all fun and games when the pain isn't just directed at the people you hate. Fuck 'em all. I voted against my self-interest, and I'm in fairly good shape to withstand the pain of the choices made by others. Let them reap the consequences of their stupidity.


The flaw in your thinking is that people would blame him. They won't. Not only do cult members never blame the leader, it is also human nature to not admit you were wrong.

These people will blame whomever FOX News tells them to.

NobodyHere 03-04-2025 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3458981)
The flaw in your thinking is that people would blame him. They won't. Not only do cult members never blame the leader, it is also human nature to not admit you were wrong.

These people will blame whomever FOX News tells them to.


Or we all just forget about it and move onto the next major news story.

GrantDawg 03-04-2025 11:51 AM

"It is Canada's fault that gas has gone up. It is Canada's fault that food is more expensive. It's Canada's fault that electricity is costing more." They are creating an enemy. It is not hard to see what will come next.

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Lathum 03-04-2025 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3458983)
"It is Canada's fault that gas has gone up. It is Canada's fault that food is more expensive. It's Canada's fault that electricity is costing more." They are creating an enemy. It is not hard to see what will come next.

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yup. which will then provide cover for annexing them, through force if need be.

Danny 03-04-2025 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3458981)
The flaw in your thinking is that people would blame him. They won't. Not only do cult members never blame the leader, it is also human nature to not admit you were wrong.

These people will blame whomever FOX News tells them to.



Your both right and wrong. Some will never admit they are wrong. But some will. Theres a reason Trump lost to an old Biden the first time. We dont need everybody to change, even just a 5-10% swing is huge

Atocep 03-04-2025 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3458985)
Your both right and wrong. Some will never admit they are wrong. But some will. Theres a reason Trump lost to an old Biden the first time. We dont need everybody to change, even just a 5-10% swing is huge


My most MAGA coworker is a great example. 2 months ago I would have never imagined her turning on Trump and she's now hoping for a dem in office in 2028. She gave up on Fox News and is completely unradicalized. She told me today that if she had continued watching Fox she would have never known all the stuff this administration is doing to harm people.

My mom is another. She's turned on Trump and now sends me links to the stuff he's doing. She was a Fox news and Facebook person that told me she hadn't heard any of the stuff I was telling but now goes to other sources to get news.

Ksyrup 03-04-2025 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3458981)
The flaw in your thinking is that people would blame him. They won't. Not only do cult members never blame the leader, it is also human nature to not admit you were wrong.

These people will blame whomever FOX News tells them to.


Lathum, I say this with all due respect...


dubb93 03-04-2025 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3458986)
My most MAGA coworker is a great example. 2 months ago I would have never imagined her turning on Trump and she's now hoping for a dem in office in 2028. She gave up on Fox News and is completely unradicalized. She told me today that if she had continued watching Fox she would have never known all the stuff this administration is doing to harm people.

My mom is another. She's turned on Trump and now sends me links to the stuff he's doing. She was a Fox news and Facebook person that told me she hadn't heard any of the stuff I was telling but now goes to other sources to get news.


I’m just not seeing it at all. Everyone here that is pro Trump is still blaming Biden for all the stuff Trump is doing.

Ksyrup 03-04-2025 02:06 PM

The constant theme in everything Trump/Elon/GOP is doing is to destroy Americans' confidence in government. It's why they are trying to dismantle public education, health, social security, to make it unreliable and worthless, as the first step to getting broad public support for privatizing everything.

Everyone agrees that government waste exists and should be tackled. Cutting people, shutting down offices, shuttering entire departments, etc., isn't cutting "waste." That's just the guise under which they start the process of destroying peoples' expectations of what government can/should do to help them, and then they and their billionaire friends will come to the rescue of a self-made crisis to provide the high-cost, privatized solution. With strings, of course! What's so disheartening and frustrating is that it's all so obvious and happening in broad daylight.

RainMaker 03-04-2025 02:30 PM

I don't know if they're doing this as some 4D chess move. I think they're just incredibly dumb. Resentment politics is a huge part of the conservative platform but the smart ones like Reagan knew not to fuck over their own people.

Atocep 03-04-2025 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458997)
The constant theme in everything Trump/Elon/GOP is doing is to destroy Americans' confidence in government. It's why they are trying to dismantly public education, health, social security, to make it unreliable and worthless, as the first step to getting broad public support for privatizing everything.

Everyone agrees that government waste exists and should be tackled. Cutting people, shutting down offices, shuttering entire departments, etc., isn't cutting "waste." That's just the guise under which they start the process of destroying peoples' expectations of what government can/should do to help them, and then they and their billionaire friends will come to the rescue of a self-made crisis to provide the high-cost, privatized solution. With strings, of course! What's so disheartening and frustrating is that it's all so obvious and happening in broad daylight.


100%

What we're effectively seeing right now is a private equity has come in to strip the government down for profit so that it can be sold off in bankruptcy.

RainMaker 03-04-2025 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459001)
100%

What we're effectively seeing right now is a private equity has come in to strip the government down for profit so that it can be sold off in bankruptcy.


Yeah, that seems to be the plan. Sell off the buildings at bargain basement pricing and then have some rich folks rent it back to the government at exorbitant prices (just like private equity). Also gut departments and then hire their friends "consulting firms" to fill the void.


It's all a big grift.

Atocep 03-04-2025 04:11 PM

I'm not sure why Russia even bothered invading Ukraine. All they had to do was find an asset they could push into the Presidency to hand them the entire country without boots on the ground. Trump should have been the blueprint and would have saved a lot of money and lives.

RainMaker 03-04-2025 04:14 PM

It would be funny if Canada removed the tariffs on BYD.

GrantDawg 03-04-2025 04:25 PM

Florida AG is investigating charges against the Tates. The fun little tit-for-tat that DeSantis and Trump has is at least entertaining.

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GrantDawg 03-04-2025 04:35 PM

So he can do this again in a couple of weeks. I wonder what the supposed concession will be? A bottle of maple syrup and an avocado?
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/04/trum...e-lutnick.html

JPhillips 03-04-2025 04:53 PM

Lots of opportunities for insider trading each time Trump imposes or removes tariffs.

RainMaker 03-04-2025 05:08 PM

lol
Excited to announce that today, @GOPMajorityWhip and I are launching the Congressional Crypto Caucus.

We hope to build a unified, bipartisan coalition to cement America’s leadership in the future of digital assets and blockchain innovation. https://t.co/qCjSt8PiQD
— Rep. Ritchie Torres (@RepRitchie) March 3, 2025

GrantDawg 03-04-2025 06:00 PM

Wow, I'm glad they made clear this was different than the American Blockchain caucus, because I was afraid they were grifting the exact same way.

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RainMaker 03-04-2025 10:23 PM

Who Is Captive Dreamer? Nazi Account Followed by Musk, Vance

RainMaker 03-04-2025 11:44 PM

So the Democrats response was to praise Reagan and W Bush tonight. Party is so cooked.

Ksyrup 03-05-2025 08:29 AM

Glad to see that Trump's plan to "drain the swamp" is working so well that after putting up hundreds of federal buildings for sale, he pulled back all of them listed in DC and a bunch from MD and VA, resulting in the majority of the buildings being sold/offices closed being in *checks notes* states that Trump won in November.

BYU 14 03-05-2025 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459049)
So the Democrats response was to praise Reagan and W Bush tonight. Party is so cooked.


Eh Bernie Sanders went after him correctly in one of the rebuttals I watched this morning. I don't ever watch these SOTU circuses because it is always the same.

1-Party in power claps and stands every time the President breathes
2-Party not in power boos, holds up silly signs and disrupts
3-Rinse and repeat every administration.

JPhillips 03-05-2025 09:08 AM

Trump's selling meals with him for 5 mil. Seems odd for a guy who isn't running for office. I sure hope he isn't just keeping the money.

CrimsonFox 03-05-2025 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459062)
Trump's selling meals with him for 5 mil. Seems odd for a guy who isn't running for office. I sure hope he isn't just keeping the money.


Hell he was still campaigning during the zelensky meeting

Atocep 03-05-2025 10:35 AM

I didn't realize the "reporter" that asked Zelensky the suit question was MTG's boyfriend. That was an obvious setup.

Ghost Econ 03-05-2025 01:01 PM

Eggs are over $6 here in SC

JPhillips 03-05-2025 02:24 PM

Trump says he's using tariffs to fund a sovereign wealth fund that he'll control. He's literally stealing everything he can.

RainMaker 03-05-2025 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3459061)
Eh Bernie Sanders went after him correctly in one of the rebuttals I watched this morning. I don't ever watch these SOTU circuses because it is always the same.

1-Party in power claps and stands every time the President breathes
2-Party not in power boos, holds up silly signs and disrupts
3-Rinse and repeat every administration.


Bernie was on his own and a good speech. The official Dem response was Slotkin, who's mostly supported Trump in her votes talking about how bad China, how we need more war, and how cool Reagan is. They'll never learn from their losses.

RainMaker 03-05-2025 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459088)
Trump says he's using tariffs to fund a sovereign wealth fund that he'll control. He's literally stealing everything he can.


It's being run by Musk's banker too if you're wondering how Tesla is going to juice their stock.

dubb93 03-05-2025 06:15 PM

Idk where to put this but a wild Bald Eagle in Indiana died from bird flu. Seems like that’s pretty symbolic.

JPhillips 03-05-2025 06:42 PM

The Trump admin's claims that tariffs will mean Americans don't pay taxes is the currently dumbest thing ever.

dubb93 03-05-2025 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459108)
The Trump admin's claims that tariffs will mean Americans don't pay taxes is the currently dumbest thing ever.


He doesn’t even know who pays for tariffs, or at the very minimum acts like he doesn’t.

Drake 03-05-2025 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3459104)
Idk where to put this but a wild Bald Eagle in Indiana died from bird flu. Seems like that’s pretty symbolic.


In Indiana, we've been killing symbols of freedom my entire life.

ETA: That's not true. It started when we eliminated the single class basketball tournament.

Also, RIP Gene Hackman

CrimsonFox 03-06-2025 04:22 AM

Ontario pulled Jack Daniels and all alcohol from their shelves. :) lol
These reactions are great.

Ksyrup 03-06-2025 06:44 AM

KY bourbon distilleries are up in arms. Who could have seen this coming? Maybe I'll get some cheap(er) Blanton's and Eagle Rare out of this deal.

kingfc22 03-06-2025 09:33 AM

65% of the state voted Trump.

FAFO!

Keep it coming.

Atocep 03-06-2025 12:19 PM

Trump is revoking protected status for Ukrainians.

QuikSand 03-06-2025 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 3459112)
In Indiana, we've been killing symbols of freedom my entire life.

ETA: That's not true. It started when we eliminated the single class basketball tournament.

Also, RIP Gene Hackman


rare pop-up of a forum post masterclass

10/10

Ksyrup 03-06-2025 12:58 PM

The whole "Biden $8M transgender mice experiments" neatly sums up the entire GOP in one stupid non-story.

GrantDawg 03-06-2025 01:19 PM

Trump had a cabinet meeting and told all the Secretaries that they are solely responsible for their departments, and Musk can only advise and not order changes. This is how they are going to try to get around the Musk illegal shadow-President thing.
Just a moment...

RainMaker 03-06-2025 02:41 PM

There was going to be dropoff when Trump took office but it's startling how Dems went all in on this during the election.


Gallup: Support for Israel plummets among Americans, reaching "the lowest in 25 years of Gallup's annual tracking" and below 50 percent.

Support for Israel among Democratic voters has crashed, leaving the AIPAC-aligned Democratic leadership totally out of step with their party. pic.twitter.com/vqQJMaTVrN
— Brian Tashman (@briantashman) March 6, 2025

GrantDawg 03-06-2025 03:08 PM

Trump already delayed tarriffs on automobile imports, now he is delaying everything specified under the USMCA, until April 2nd. So, market crash, delay tariffs, markets rebound (slightly) again.


bhlloy 03-06-2025 03:44 PM

And totally coincidentally anyone plugged in on the timing will be able to make billions I suppose?

Lathum 03-06-2025 04:47 PM

I’m at a bar grabbing a couple beers and a sandwich while my daughter is at softball practice. This is a very, very, red area. There is a guy at the bar wearing a hat that says “gulf of America 25.” It amazes me how these people allow themselves to be grifted endlessly.

sovereignstar v2 03-06-2025 04:52 PM

My favorite is the FUCK JOE BIDEN apparel. My young daughter and I caught that one buying balloons on July 4th. Someone should pick that stuff up on sale and use it for Secret Santa (Rainmaker)

Edward64 03-06-2025 05:21 PM

I don’t know if this is a smart move but there is a weird sense of satisfaction.

Quote:

Doug Ford says Ontario will go ahead with 25 per cent tax on electricity it provides to the U.S. on Monday

Lathum 03-06-2025 05:33 PM

Just saw a video saying British Columbia is going to start taxing trucks going from the lower 48 to Alaska.

Edward64 03-07-2025 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3459187)
I don’t know if this is a smart move but there is a weird sense of satisfaction.

Okay, not just Ontario.

Still not sure it's a smart move, but the FU message to Trump brings a smile to my face.

Canada's tariffs to remain despite Trump postponing tariffs on many imports from Canada for a month | AP News
Quote:

Canada’s initial retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. will remain in place despite President Donald Trump postponing 25% tariffs on many imports from Canada for a month, two senior Canadian government officials said.

Trump said Thursday that he has postponed 25% tariffs on many goods from Canada and Mexico for a month, amid widespread fears of a broader trade war.

Two senior Canadian governments official told the Associated Press that Canada’s first wave of response tariffs will remain. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

Canada’s initial $30 billion Canadian (US$21 billion) worth of retaliatory tariffs have been applied on items like American orange juice, peanut butter, coffee, appliances, footwear, cosmetics, motorcycles and certain pulp and paper products.

Ghost Econ 03-07-2025 06:37 AM

Trump is such a pussy.

Mota 03-07-2025 07:06 AM

Well Trudeau went running to Trump after the election to try and make a positive relationship, and Trump sensed weakness and immediately started with the "Governor" thing. I prefer the current strategy of meeting chaos with strength and resolve.

Fidatelo 03-07-2025 07:28 AM

These aren't just FU Trump moves. Despite how the media portrays it the US is still leaving a considerable number of tariffs on Canada. The others are also not removed, just delayed. There are also additional tariffs scheduled in a week or two I believe, and even more threatened for April 2 on top of the ones that were just delayed to that date.


Throw in continued threats on our sovereignty and the start of anti-Canada propaganda from US politicians and media and why on earth would it be a surprise that we would continue to defend ourselves?

Edward64 03-07-2025 07:58 AM

Too many good nuggets, worth your time to read the article. There's some fun stuff and then there's politics.

Just a moment...
Quote:

To get an inside look at what it’s like to serve on Capitol Hill — after years of gridlock, government shutdowns and now another Donald Trump stampede through Washington — we sat down with 25 lawmakers who were ready to dish.

Ksyrup 03-07-2025 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458940)
Yeah, I've seen the Kristi Noem one multiple times. Ridiculous, just kissing Trump's ass like an election year commercial.


I commented about the Noem ad a few days ago. And then I saw this from The Bulwark:

Quote:

AUDIENCE OF ONE: The Department of Homeland Security’s $200 million ad campaign thanking President Donald Trump for “securing our border” and warning migrants who are in the country illegally to “leave now” has aired in major media markets around the country. According to data from the ad tracking firm AdImpact, DHS has placed six-figure ad buys in New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Phoenix, Miami, San Francisco, and Chicago.

But there was also a small but curious expenditure buried in AdImpact’s data: DHS also spent $30,000 to air the ads in West Palm Beach from February 25 through March 5. Palm Beach County has had some ICE activity under Trump. But it’s been relatively modest. The more likely explanation for that expense: Trump was at his Mar-a-Lago club that weekend. And as everyone—including the leadership at DHS knows—Trump likes watching TV.

The $30k is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of the agency’s ad budget. But it’s yet another data point of how Trump officials will go out of their way—and even spend taxpayer money—to suck up to the president. That it comes as the Trump administration is ostensibly on a crusade to cut government spending at every corner is just a cherry on top.

Then again, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem Noem’s hands may have been tied here. After all, we know Trump was really into the idea. At last month’s Conservative Political Action Conference, Noem told the gathering that Trump explicitly said he wanted her face in the ads and wanted her to “thank me for closing the border.”

flere-imsaho 03-07-2025 09:49 AM

Well, at least she didn't wear a tan suit. That would have been a real scandal.

larrymcg421 03-07-2025 09:55 AM

A new Canadian poll has the Liberals up by 5 points, their largest lead in any poll since August 2022.

Mota 03-07-2025 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3459215)
A new Canadian poll has the Liberals up by 5 points, their largest lead in any poll since August 2022.


That's the funny thing, Canada had a 99% chance of Conservative majority, and the Trump threat is completely reversing this, and we'll likely get the center-left Liberals again. That's what Trump wanted, right?

Fidatelo 03-07-2025 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3459218)
That's the funny thing, Canada had a 99% chance of Conservative majority, and the Trump threat is completely reversing this, and we'll likely get the center-left Liberals again. That's what Trump wanted, right?



I still think it's too soon to be overly hopeful on that front. Once the liberal leader is chosen next week the Conservatives will start to unleash their massive war chest on them. Presumably external interference on social media will begin to ramp up as we move into the election period as well. I'd love to think this unified nationalism can carry us through the next 8 weeks to a Liberal victory but it's by no means a sure thing.

RainMaker 03-07-2025 12:32 PM

I think the Canada hate is more Elon than Trump. Canada stopped a handout for EV buyers which Tesla relied heavily on. Then Tesla committed fraud to take in tens of millions in taxpayer money at the last minute. So Elon is probably just mad about that and that it's being investigated.

Tesla made a suspicious number of rebate requests on last days of Canadian EV incentive | Electrek

RainMaker 03-07-2025 12:47 PM

So it looks like the Bitcoin reserve will be $20B to start.

JPhillips 03-07-2025 02:20 PM

I read it's using what's been seized already, so as with most of Trump's EO it doesn't really do anything other than marketing.

whomario 03-07-2025 02:36 PM

Free Speech, Trump version: "You're not supposed to be asking that question ... that's enough"

Carman Bulldog 03-07-2025 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459229)
I think the Canada hate is more Elon than Trump. Canada stopped a handout for EV buyers which Tesla relied heavily on. Then Tesla committed fraud to take in tens of millions in taxpayer money at the last minute. So Elon is probably just mad about that and that it's being investigated.

Tesla made a suspicious number of rebate requests on last days of Canadian EV incentive | Electrek


No, the hate is much, much more Trump than Elon. Don't get me wrong, nobody likes Elon, but the hatred is for Trump.

RainMaker 03-07-2025 03:27 PM

I meant Trump's weird beef with Canada. I don't think he really gives a shit about Canada, it's more Elon pushing him to be an asshole because they're cutting off his handouts and investigating his fraud.

RainMaker 03-07-2025 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459240)
I read it's using what's been seized already, so as with most of Trump's EO it doesn't really do anything other than marketing.


That's still $20B worth of assets just sitting there propping up some fake internet money instead of being useful.

JPhillips 03-07-2025 03:34 PM

Sure. I just expected them to route other money into this. GOP still might, but at least they haven't yet.

Fidatelo 03-07-2025 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3459229)
I think the Canada hate is more Elon than Trump. Canada stopped a handout for EV buyers which Tesla relied heavily on. Then Tesla committed fraud to take in tens of millions in taxpayer money at the last minute. So Elon is probably just mad about that and that it's being investigated.

Tesla made a suspicious number of rebate requests on last days of Canadian EV incentive | Electrek



Incorrect. The Canada 'hate' is much larger than any kind of stupid EV rebate Musk might be miffed about. This is a broad imperialistic play at securing natural resources and trade routes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/w...1st-state.html

GrantDawg 03-07-2025 06:34 PM

Nvm

JPhillips 03-07-2025 07:30 PM

lol These fucking people.

Quote:

Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg:

Yes, Trump promised to end the war in 24 hours, but he didn't say what day, what year.

Edward64 03-09-2025 07:33 AM

T-6

The master plan ...

Just a moment...
Quote:

The speaker aims to pass the bill as soon as Tuesday with Republican votes only, and then jam the Senate by adjourning the House and putting the onus on Democrats across the Capitol to back a plan they loathe. Referring to the Senate minority leader, Johnson argued on Friday that any lapse in government funding would be “a Chuck Schumer shutdown” if Democrats don’t help Republicans clear the Senate’s 60-vote threshold.

A tough decision for the Dems. My guess is the Senate Dems don't have the stomach to hold out or, if they do, it won't be for long.

Just a moment...
Quote:

Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, said in a brief interview Thursday he didn’t sense there were enough Democratic senators yet willing to clear a seven-month stopgap — Republicans need at least eight, assuming more GOP lawmakers don’t join Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, who has pledged to vote no.

miked 03-09-2025 07:35 AM

They should not pass it at all. It calls for an increase to defense while decreasing other spending. I think they should let the public know that most of the fraud/waste is in defense and that is where they are dumping more money.

Ksyrup 03-09-2025 07:58 AM

BUT TEH FETANYL! THINK OF TEH CHILDREN!

JPhillips 03-09-2025 08:30 AM

The Dems are so worthless that I expect them to cave for relatively nothing. They should have spent the past few weeks yelling no votes until the lawbreaking stops. They haven't been working towards any stand.

Atocep 03-09-2025 11:57 AM

You're 100% right, if the dems were serious about it then you start prepping the public for the possibility of a shutdown and you tell the public why it's the GOP's fault. Instead, congressional dems would rather state attorneys general, and states in general, do their job for them as an opposition party.

Hakeem Jeffries just wants everyone to be friends and I'm not sure what Adam Schiff even does at this point.

flere-imsaho 03-09-2025 02:33 PM

Democrats have all the leverage here. MAGA/GOP controls all 3 branches of government, including the two legislative chambers. Economy is heading into a recession. The next GE is a year and a half away.

If the DNC, any House/Senate Democrat who didn't say one of the following in any public/press appearance should be shut off from fundraising money:

1. MAGA and the GOP have enough votes to pass it on their own. If they can't, that's on them.

2. Trump shutdown.

3. Trump recession.

GrantDawg 03-09-2025 02:39 PM

I haven't looked, but why aren't they trying to pass a budget through reconciliation?

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JPhillips 03-09-2025 03:11 PM

They have decided to wait for months on the budget and pass a continuing resolution until September. I expect the plan is by then all of the cuts will be made and/or the courts will have said the admin isn't bound to spend what is appropriated.

Atocep 03-09-2025 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459344)
They have decided to wait for months on the budget and pass a continuing resolution until September. I expect the plan is by then all of the cuts will be made and/or the courts will have said the admin isn't bound to spend what is appropriated.


My mistake was thinking dems would listen to pissed off constituents and draw a line. I feel stupid for assuming by now dems would have a coherent plan and were read to stand for something.

They're going to win back the house in 2026 and nothing will change except we'll get a lot Trump and Elon investigations that amount to nothing.

JPhillips 03-09-2025 04:23 PM

Probably no investigations. They refused to look at any of the corruption last time.

RainMaker 03-09-2025 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459349)
My mistake was thinking dems would listen to pissed off constituents and draw a line. I feel stupid for assuming by now dems would have a coherent plan and were read to stand for something.

They're going to win back the house in 2026 and nothing will change except we'll get a lot Trump and Elon investigations that amount to nothing.


It's because they support this stuff too.

HerRealName 03-09-2025 06:06 PM

A good point I heard on the Majority Report this week. Jeffries' political career started after Citizens United. He only knows poitics in the context of doing the bidding of the donor class. He needs to be primaried but he's also bought and paid for by AIPAC so it will be next to impossible.

miami_fan 03-09-2025 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3459331)
You're 100% right, if the dems were serious about it then you start prepping the public for the possibility of a shutdown and you tell the public why it's the GOP's fault. Instead, congressional dems would rather state attorneys general, and states in general, do their job for them as an opposition party.

Hakeem Jeffries just wants everyone to be friends and I'm not sure what Adam Schiff even does at this point.


I am not a political strategist but what does this prep look like? Telling the public that the R's control both House, the Senate and the White House? Explaining why Dems are not voting for funding that would keep the government open? Speaking on how the cuts will affect everyday people like the people who put them in the minority?

Anyone who wants to blame the Dems for the government shutdown despite them being in the minority all over the place does not seem someone who would be convinced by some sort of prep campaign that would appear to tell those people the obvious. I do see a bit more of a online presence that seem to be putting across the D's POV. Whether it is connecting or not is another story. Unfortunately for them, that presence does seem to be fractured among all every wing of the party.

I get the impression that people want the Dems and especially Dems leadership to act more like their counterparts on the other side of the aisle. I get the appeal of that. What I don't know if that sort of action is possible without the Dems' supporters acting more like their counterparts. I know that prep would have worked on the other side

JPhillips 03-09-2025 08:00 PM

I think leadership and as many Dems as possible say that there are no Dem votes until the lawbreaking stops.

RainMaker 03-09-2025 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3459353)
A good point I heard on the Majority Report this week. Jeffries' political career started after Citizens United. He only knows poitics in the context of doing the bidding of the donor class. He needs to be primaried but he's also bought and paid for by AIPAC so it will be next to impossible.


I mentioned this before but this is the big issue with the party. How much money you raise as a candidate is all they care about. It doesn't matter if you can form a complete sentence as long as the money comes in.

So the party is left with people like Jeffries who can't hold a conversation or speak to people. That's why, despite all the talk of having Kamala do podcasts and such, she couldn't. She would have been embarrassed on Rogan or anywhere you have to think on your feet.

Only the old guard can do this. Guys like Obama and Bernie. Even Biden was terrific in interviews before his mental decline. Those are the kind of people they should be backing but they won't. The party should make a committment to not take donations from AIPAC or any other foreign government any longer.

NobodyHere 03-09-2025 08:22 PM

If Trump gets rid of turning your clocks back all will be forgiven in my books.

RainMaker 03-09-2025 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3459363)
I think leadership and as many Dems as possible say that there are no Dem votes until the lawbreaking stops.


Yeah, this is one of those things where the Dems don't have to do anything. They should be talking as much as possible about the unpopular stuff going on (they won't because they mostly support it). But there is no reason to help Republicans pass an incredibly unpopular budget.

Pretty simple to say "we won't support any budget that cuts funding to veterans, Medicaid, and food stamps for tax cuts for the rich". They aren't in power and the Republicans have made that abundantly clear. Let them figure out the budget and deal with the consequences. No need to tack on bipartisian support to a budgets that will be political suicide over the next few years

Ksyrup 03-09-2025 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3459366)
If Trump gets rid of turning your clocks back all will be forgiven in my books.


I don't have an issue with it, but it seems oddly political - the GOP has been pushing this for several years.

That said, I'm not sure what I think about it staying dark at the end of December and beginning of January until 9am here. That seems ... unnatural. Worse than it getting dark by 5.

dubb93 03-10-2025 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3459370)
I don't have an issue with it, but it seems oddly political - the GOP has been pushing this for several years.

That said, I'm not sure what I think about it staying dark at the end of December and beginning of January until 9am here. That seems ... unnatural. Worse than it getting dark by 5.


Every time it comes up here the argument is always about kids having to walk to school/bus in the dark and extreme cold. Most likely schools would push start times back but it's doubtful that workplaces would follow suit. Seems like something that would be wildly unpopular with parents once they actually understand the logistics of it all.

Atocep 03-10-2025 12:50 PM

I don't know if it's been mentioned here but ESPN is shutting down 538. It's a shell of what it once was, but was still useful for it's polling averages and grading pollsters.

Drake 03-10-2025 04:27 PM

Looks like Anonymous has decided to target X today. That should be entertaining.

RainMaker 03-10-2025 04:56 PM

It's always a possibility but a service like Twitter is not getting taken down with a DDOS attack. This is likely incompetence or someone didn't pay a bill.

Danny 03-10-2025 04:58 PM

Trump is going to keep on keepin on with his supporters but I get the feeling there will be an Eion crash at some point.


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