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JonInMiddleGA 06-25-2025 06:46 AM

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The Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics and Brooklyn Nets agreed to a three-team deal Tuesday that saw the Celtics send center Kristaps Porzingis and a second-round pick to the Hawks, while Terance Mann and Atlanta's No. 22 pick headed to the Nets, and finally, Georges Niang and a second-rounder landed with the Celtics, sources told ESPN's Shams Charania. ... Brooklyn now has five selections in Wednesday's first round: Nos. 8, 19, 22, 26 and 27.


It's that last bit that started me wondering: anybody know off-hand what the most 1st round picks any team has actually used in one season is? (I mean that they kept, not draft-and-trade-immediately stuff)

RainMaker 06-25-2025 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3465300)
It's that last bit that started me wondering: anybody know off-hand what the most 1st round picks any team has actually used in one season is? (I mean that they kept, not draft-and-trade-immediately stuff)


The Steph Curry draft I think the Timberwolves had 4 picks in the 1st round. But I believe they traded Ty Lawson right away for a future 1st. Can't think of anyone else in memory who had 4 unless we go real far back.

bhlloy 06-25-2025 02:20 PM

They drafted 4 guards in a round that produced Harden, Curry, DeRozan, Teague and Holiday, and somehow managed to end up with none of them. Quite a feat.

RainMaker 06-25-2025 02:23 PM

The best one they drafted (Lawson) was also the one they traded. What an incredible fuckup.

miami_fan 06-25-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3465261)
Which would still be less than the regular season minutes played leader for most of 2-3 decades.

NBA players are saved from being the softest major pro athletes only by the existence of MLB starting pitchers.

edit for clarity: that's a general observation about the "load management" culture of the NBA, _NOT_ anything about Haliburton specifically. Hell, his comment about "I'd do it again" elevates him at least a full notch toward respectability afaic. So no, my comment wasn't about him.


How many NFL players are playing NFL-level games during the offseason? I missed all the times that Tom Brady went and played tackle football along with other NFL and future NFL players in the off season.

Load management during the season is a separate conversation from the one I spoke about and not necessarily one I believe in if the purpose is to prevent injuries. I do think NBA players should take some time during their OFF season to rest and recover from a hard season before jumping into their off season training and should limit the NBA level games that they play during the off season as well.

This is from one of the articles below.

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THE MOST COMMON explanation is as lazy as it is popular: Players today just aren't as tough as their NBA forefathers. They're soft. Chip Schaefer, the Bulls' director of performance health, refers to this trope as "millennial bashing" -- and this from the man who served as the head athletic trainer during the Bulls' 1990-98 heyday, when they were led by the standard-bearer for NBA toughness: Michael Jordan.

In his career, Jordan battled the hard-hitting "Bad Boys" Pistons and legendarily played through most any injury. In Jordan's day, the gold standard for durability was simple: start all 82 NBA regular-season games, which he did in eight of his 13 seasons in Chicago.

But it's not as if Jordan was a relentless baller all year long.

"When the season ended, Michael left and played golf and didn't pick up a basketball again until probably a little bit before training camp [in September]," says Wally Blase, a Bulls athletic trainer from 1993-2000. "He might have played pickup ball with some friends, but he wasn't working eight hours a day at some gym with some shooting coach." (And in contrast to the myth that has grown around him, Jordan, Blase notes, didn't treat every practice as if it were Game 7: "There were days when Michael would show up, put ice on his knees, go smoke a cigar and then go play 18 holes of golf.")

Jordan wasn't unique in this regard. Former Lakers head athletic trainer Gary Vitti, who spent 32 years with the team, says the Showtime Lakers "hardly played any basketball" when the season ended: "As soon as the season was over, everybody would take at least minimum two weeks, two to three weeks off, give their bodies a rest, let them recover, and then slowly we would do either some jogging or biking and some strength training."


Even these so-so players/teams took some time off in the good ol days.


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Originally Posted by Ajaxab (Post 3465273)
Does AAU play into this at all? Admittedly, I am pretty ignorant about how it works but as I understand it, kids playing AAU are constantly in games weekend after weekend after weekend. That has to take its toll at a certain point. It made me wonder if there are examples international players who have suffered Achilles injuries, especially at a young-ish age, and no one comes to mind. But here we have Haliburton, Dame, Tatum, Durant, and Klay go down with this injury.

There's always the correlation/causation issue to sort through, but I've wondered if AAU has to play some part in what seems to be a trend.


I don't think there is any doubt at this point.


'These kids are ticking time bombs' -- The threat of youth basketball - ESPN

Under the knife -- Exposing America's youth basketball crisis - ESPN

Ksyrup 06-25-2025 08:38 PM

I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever actually seen Shams Charania, and man, he's terrible on camera.

Atocep 06-25-2025 09:38 PM

Can anyone explain WTF Portland is doing with their roster?

RainMaker 06-25-2025 09:48 PM

Everybdrsft I feel like I know less and less players in it. Never even heard of the guy the Bulls drafted.

Atocep 06-25-2025 10:24 PM

Danny Wolf is another guy I like, for where he was picked. Brooklyn is building a roster around size, passing, and shooting ability.

This draft is a microcosm of bad organizations. New Orleans takes Derik Queen, a guy with conditioning, effort, and shooting concerns to play next to Zion Williamson, a guy with conditioning, effort, and shooting concerns.

Portland drafts a center that absolutely no one had going in the first round. At 16. To add to their collection of centers: Ayton, Robert Williams, and last years pick Donovan Clingan.

RainMaker 06-25-2025 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3465342)
Can anyone explain WTF Portland is doing with their roster?


Chinese Jokic!

JonInMiddleGA 06-26-2025 12:03 AM

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Even these so-so players/teams took some time off in the good ol days. [quote]

They were also much closer to finished products that today's generation of massively paid "stars" that have multiple major holes in their game.

wustin 06-26-2025 03:10 AM

Ayton's contract expires at the end of next season, so Blazers will try to move him eventually. Rob Williams is perpetually hurt. Yang is a project center and drafting him at #16 was definitely a reach.

wustin 06-26-2025 03:19 AM

Nets were dumb to not consolidate their picks to move up in the draft. And they wasted their 8th pick on that BYU Russian player who wasn't going top 10.

They should've thrown 4 first picks and something else to Utah for the 5th pick once Kon was off the board to get Ace.

JonInMiddleGA 06-26-2025 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3465349)
once Kon was off the board to get Ace.


Maybe they decided he was too much of an arrogant prick to be worth the trouble.

miami_fan 06-26-2025 09:25 AM

For me, the theme of the draft so far has been teams beginning to adjust to the new salary structure realities while also trying to copycat the blueprints of the Thunder and Pacers.

Outside of a Wembanyama or a Flagg, Teamsare drafting players who can either be pieces of a championship contender or someone you can move on in pursuit of a piece of a championship contender. All while trying not to run afoul of the aprons. Maybe you find your Chet Holmgren at #2 or your Jokic in the second. Maybe you have to use the flexibility of your roster to trade for a SGA or a Haliburton, to offload a high draft pick who is not living up to what you want from him (Jalen Green) to get another piece. The days of compounding a draft mistake by saddling the team with a albatross of a max deal for a okay player are over IMO.

JonInMiddleGA 06-27-2025 11:18 AM

I'm almost in shock: someone on ESPN's payroll actually talking sense

Wetzel: Please don't expand NCAA basketball tournaments - ESPN

Ksyrup 06-27-2025 11:26 AM

Reminds me of this Club World Cup stuff that's I've heard is going on right now (in the US, even!). Who is this for, other than the people who run the sport to sell more TV content?

JonInMiddleGA 06-27-2025 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3465424)
Reminds me of this Club World Cup stuff that's I've heard is going on right now (in the US, even!). Who is this for, other than the people who run the sport to sell more TV content?


I'm still salty a.f. about the stupid mid-season invented competitions bullshit after the Panthers lost Tkachuk down the stretch.

Ranks up there with the dumbest fucking shit ever afaic.

It's a slap in the face of the core fans, who really ought to push back with their wallets. I mean, if the ACTUAL SEASON isn't important enough to have priority over some madeup bullshit, then why should I think it's important enough to spend money on?

edit to add: Once the Mets lost Diaz in absurd fashion at the happy horseshit baseball thing, that should have been glaring evidence how fucking bad an idea this sort of stuff is.

Ksyrup 06-27-2025 11:39 AM

What's your take on NFL players in an Olympic flag football competition? Ha!

JonInMiddleGA 06-27-2025 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3465427)
What's your take on NFL players in an Olympic flag football competition? Ha!


JFC, there's so much wrong with that sentence even existing that deciding where to begin unloading on such mindnumbing fuckery is enough to cause a headache all its own.

RainMaker 06-27-2025 12:38 PM

I will enjoy it but I will also pray no one from the Bears participates.

miami_fan 06-27-2025 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3465424)
Who is this for, other than the people who run the sport to sell more TV content?


1. The people who run the media companies who want to buy more sports content in lieu of waiting for someone to give them something creative to put on.

2. The athletes who will benefit from the exposure that comes with being on TV more.

3. The sports fans who will go from hating it to just throwing it on in the background to gambling/playing fantasy version of the sport in a short period of time.

flere-imsaho 06-28-2025 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3465424)
Reminds me of this Club World Cup stuff that's I've heard is going on right now (in the US, even!). Who is this for, other than the people who run the sport to sell more TV content?


From what I've read, approximately $1B will go to participating clubs through both prize and participation money. FIFA have made a big deal that none of the rest (which could be as high as another $1B) will go to FIFA itself, but mainly to "solidarity payments" to non-participating clubs.

And there's the rub. FIFA leadership will distribute to clubs in federations as a way to buy influence and votes going forward.

It's 0% about improving the game or fans' experience of the game. It's 100% about retaining control over the distribution of future revenues.

Secondarily, it's another battle in the war with mainly UEFA to control football-related revenue.

JPhillips 06-29-2025 11:30 AM

The Feds are investigating Malik Beasley for point shaving and other gambling related crimes.

Ghost Econ 06-29-2025 11:55 AM

Look, he's a 28 year old who's only made $60 million. Who wouldn't take that risk for a couple hundred thousand more.

RainMaker 06-29-2025 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3465470)
From what I've read, approximately $1B will go to participating clubs through both prize and participation money. FIFA have made a big deal that none of the rest (which could be as high as another $1B) will go to FIFA itself, but mainly to "solidarity payments" to non-participating clubs.

And there's the rub. FIFA leadership will distribute to clubs in federations as a way to buy influence and votes going forward.

It's 0% about improving the game or fans' experience of the game. It's 100% about retaining control over the distribution of future revenues.

Secondarily, it's another battle in the war with mainly UEFA to control football-related revenue.


Wasn't that billion just Saudi money too? They massively overpaid for the rights to the event through their weird TV network very few people even have.

RainMaker 06-29-2025 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3465494)
Look, he's a 28 year old who's only made $60 million. Who wouldn't take that risk for a couple hundred thousand more.


My theory on these stories is it is less about the player and more about their friends. If you find out someone is going to be on a minute restriction or unlikely to play much in advance, you can clean up on player prop bets. Just text a buddy and tell them.

I would hope he's not dumb enough to just be doing this on his own.

JonInMiddleGA 06-30-2025 10:57 AM

EA SPORTS
@EASPORTS
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Bring the Madness. Let’s run it back. #CBB #ItsInTheGame

RainMaker 06-30-2025 12:14 PM

Well that's a positive development even though EA doesn't have a great track record with basketball games of late.

miami_fan 06-30-2025 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3465498)
My theory on these stories is it is less about the player and more about their friends. If you find out someone is going to be on a minute restriction or unlikely to play much in advance, you can clean up on player prop bets. Just text a buddy and tell them.

I would hope he's not dumb enough to just be doing this on his own.


I have not seen any reports involving point shaving. If he is involved in that or made prop bets himself, he is cooked for sure.

The game in question is from last season when the Bucks who Beasley played for at the time faced the Blazers. Here is the exact terminology from an ESPN article.

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The odds on Beasley recording fewer than 2.5 rebounds moved significantly at sportsbooks before the game, shortening from around +120 to around -250 due to a surge of action on the under. Beasley finished with six rebounds, and the bets that were deemed unusual lost.

If my less than basic understanding is correct, then the bettors thought he would definitely record more than 2.5 rebounds so they bet the over, right?

If that is correct, I am a bit confused as to what the issue is. Beasley averaged 3.7 rebounds for the entire season and played in 79 games. He is capable of getting six rebounds in a game. In fact, he got six rebounds in a game against the Blazers earlier that year. If I were inclined to do so, that seems like a reasonable bet to make.

Is the issue simply that way too many people were inclined to place prop bets on Beasley's rebounding on that night? Are they accusing him of playing extra hard and doing too much to make sure he went over 2.5 rebounds? If he was running away from the basketball to avoid getting rebounds to ensure the under won, I understand the problem with that. Explain it to me like a toddler.

dubb93 06-30-2025 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3465536)
EA SPORTS
@EASPORTS
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45m
Bring the Madness. Let’s run it back. #CBB #ItsInTheGame


This is what I want but it’s being made by the wrong company. Hopefully EA proves me wrong but their basketball games were so bad they stopped making them.

GrantDawg 06-30-2025 07:30 PM

The Hawks are having a really good off season. Kind of scary. I'm expecting a really bad move any time now.

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Atocep 06-30-2025 07:30 PM

Michael Porter Jr to the Nets for Cam Johnson and a 1st. Porter might average 25 shots a game with them.


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