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GrantDawg 02-26-2025 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3458517)
Makes sense. Turkey eggs probably taste just like chicken eggs anyway

Lol. Have a cookie.

JPhillips 02-26-2025 05:08 PM

Interesting that egg imports increase supply and reduce costs for consumers. I wonder if that applies to other goods?

JPhillips 02-26-2025 06:23 PM

dola

HHS canceled the meeting to determine next year's flu vaccine variant. Unclear what that will eventually mean for flu vaccines next year.

Ghost Econ 02-26-2025 06:55 PM

Nothing has ever gone wrong when a country has forced their undesirables onto a registry.

Trump administration creates registry for immigrants who are in the US illegally | AP News

PilotMan 02-26-2025 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458486)
Yeah, having just cruised to the ABC islands, I read up on the ways to become citizens of many of these islands that include an "investment" option. It's not that unusual.



The Netherlands and the ABCs are fully on my radar as possible.

PilotMan 02-26-2025 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3458517)
Makes sense. Turkey eggs probably taste just like chicken eggs anyway







:lol::lol::lol:

Edward64 02-26-2025 08:43 PM

There's going to be a lot of hurt soon after Mar 13.

I wonder how many of the (soon to be laid off) government employees voted GOP and how they'll vote in 2026 and 2028. Hope Pew or Gallup does a poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...lay-rcna193850
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The Trump administration directed federal agencies on Wednesday to prepare for mass layoffs, according to the heads of the White House budget and personnel management offices.
Below is a little reassuring that Dept/Agency heads will get to make the call vs DOGE. Two weeks is still too quick to do the assessments properly but better than DOGE doing it.

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The memo notes that President Donald Trump has required "large-scale reductions in force" and in order to implement that, it calls on the heads of departments and agencies to submit the first phase of reorganization plans by March 13, which "shall focus on initial agency cuts and reductions."
DC may take a severe hit with possible office relocations.

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That second part of the plan should include "any proposed relocations of agency bureaus and offices from Washington, D.C. and the National Capital Region to less-costly parts of the country," it said.


The exceptions/exemptions to above ...

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Vought and Ezell explained that the memo doesn't apply to positions that are necessary for law enforcement, national security, immigration enforcement, and U.S. military personnel. It also excludes the U.S. Postal Service and presidential appointees.

Atocep 02-26-2025 11:11 PM

None of this is going to end up saving money. We're going to end up hiring more contractors to come in and fill the gaps created by firing the federal employees once the dust settles and the realize the things they broke.

We're also going to see massive lawsuits from contractors like Booze, Guidehouse, etc for these contracts they're trying to stiff payment on and I expect to see a lawsuit from the probationary employees that were unlawfully fired.

This will end up being the most expensive government efficiency program in US history.

GrantDawg 02-27-2025 04:34 AM

Andrew Tate and his brother have reportedly bored a plane in Romania and are on their way to Florida. I imagine it was pressure from the White House that got them released. I suspect Andrew is going to be named the Secretary of Sex Trafficing or some such nonsense.

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Edward64 02-27-2025 05:02 AM

Some additional context on importing eggs

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bird-fl...ref=biztoc.com
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The Trump administration is also in talks to import about 70 million to 100 million eggs from other countries in the coming months, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said.
Sounds good to me.

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But the tallies are a drop in the bucket compared with the nearly 8 billion eggs produced in the U.S. in January alone, down 4% from a year ago, according to the USDA.

I'm couldn't quite picture 8B eggs per month but ...

US has 340M people. So 8B / 340M = 24 eggs per person, per month. 24 eggs covers normal groceries, restaurant meals, other food products etc.



Wife and I wouldn't mind having some hens in our fenced in backyard. HOA won't allow it. Rooting for Trump to declare a national emergency and allow anyone to have (temporarily) chickens on their property.

Ksyrup 02-27-2025 07:58 AM

We buy a dozen eggs every 4-6 weeks and maybe use 10 of them - if we have something specific to use them with (like around holidays and making stuff). Occasionally need them for egg wash, deviled eggs, etc., but I don't eat breakfast and we rarely eat eggs themselves, so this is one of those "big" issues that I kinda shrug off.

PilotMan 02-27-2025 09:02 AM

We buy vegan "Just Egg" made from Hmong beans, and coincidentally, the price of it has skyrocketed as well. It's about $9 for roughly a pint some places. You'd think that it would be a little better insulated. Makes me wonder....


{edit to add: And Kroger has a 2 per item limit on it, just like actual eggs}



That makes no sense.

GrantDawg 02-27-2025 09:10 AM

There is no wonder. I saw a small egg supplier in Virgina talking about this. Farmers are still selling eggs at contract prices, and while there are some decrease in supply, eggs are still available from farms at base rates. The big suppliers are just charging more because they can. It is just straight-up price gouging.

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miked 02-27-2025 09:18 AM

We go through a decent amount of eggs because our daughter is a vegetarian and they are a decent supply of protein for her (mostly whites). Sam's club yesterday near our house had no eggs anywhere.

BYU 14 02-27-2025 10:45 AM

Eggs are a huge part of my diet, I eat 3 eggs and a cup of egg whites every morning post workout. I haven't found egg whites at the three places I shop for almost 2 weeks where I live, its crazy both the price gouging and the hoarding, it's like the friggin pandemic again.

JonInMiddleGA 02-27-2025 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3458549)
It is just straight-up price gouging.


I don't particularly disagree ... but at the same time, the correct price for stuff IS whatever the market bears while maximizing profit.

Ticket prices, egg prices, whatever ... refusing to buy shit has a remarkable effect on prices in most cases.

Lathum 02-27-2025 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458560)
I don't particularly disagree ... but at the same time, the correct price for stuff IS whatever the market bears while maximizing profit.

Ticket prices, egg prices, whatever ... refusing to buy shit has a remarkable effect on prices in most cases.


Funny we didn't hear this logic during the last administration...

Edward64 02-27-2025 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3458558)
Eggs are a huge part of my diet, I eat 3 eggs and a cup of egg whites every morning post workout. I haven't found egg whites at the three places I shop for almost 2 weeks where I live, its crazy both the price gouging and the hoarding, it's like the friggin pandemic again.


I know protein is important soon after an intense workout, and some say eggs are better than a protein shake ... but is it that much better?

I'm not a weightlifter, just do some strength training. I normally just drink chocolate milk and/or protein shake or bar.

Danny 02-27-2025 11:51 AM

Eggs are actually not ideal immediately after workout as its a medium digesting protein.

The most ideal is like a pure iso whey but thats expensive. A good quality whey is good. Also most important is a fast digesting carb. My typical is postgym with dextrose sipped for 30 post workout and them some whey. Then a high quality protein rich meal after an hour and a half or so.

Atocep 02-27-2025 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458565)
I know protein is important soon after an intense workout, and some say eggs are better than a protein shake ... but is it that much better?

I'm not a weightlifter, just do some strength training. I normally just drink chocolate milk and/or protein shake or bar.


Eggs have more nutritional benefits than just protein so they're generally better overall. If you're just looking for protein, though, nearly any good source will do. Whole chocolate milk is getting hard to find but is great for people that hate protein shakes but want calories plus protein and chocolate milk in general is a good post workout drink. The dietician at driveline told my son it's basically a poor man's protein shake.

Edward64 02-27-2025 11:59 AM

Thanks for responses, good to know.

I default to chocolate milk because I read that's what Michael Phelps does after a workout, and if its good enough for him (and his 8,000+ calories), it's good enough for me.



FWIW, the Kroger brand dozen eggs are going for about $4.30'ish near me. Definitely gone up from $2'ish but not as much as other parts of the country.

Danny 02-27-2025 12:18 PM

Chocolate milk seems like a nice easy option as youre getting some protein and the sugar / carbs.

Danny 02-27-2025 12:43 PM

Ill add everything ive read / watched is primarily for hypertrophy and strength, not athleticism or health

Ksyrup 02-27-2025 12:48 PM

I drink chocolate milk after every run/workout and then eat lunch at the same time (typically the end of my fasting period) - usually PB&J or lunch meat sandwich, plus a banana and another fruit, then slaw or bean salad about 30 minutes after that (post-shower), plus Propel/Liquid IV.

RainMaker 02-27-2025 12:53 PM

My post lifting is almost always egg whites with a yolk. I'm a creature of habit so it's tough to switch but I might look at other protein sources if it gets out of hand.

I'm guessing as this continues to rise it'll increase pricing on anything that uses eggs in the product (which is a lot). I know our local coffee shop just increased the price of their egg/sausage sandwich by like $0.30.

miked 02-27-2025 01:05 PM

I've been to quite a few places that have added a surcharge to dishes with eggs.

JonInMiddleGA 02-27-2025 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3458569)
FWIW, the Kroger brand dozen eggs are going for about $4.30'ish near me. Definitely gone up from $2'ish but not as much as other parts of the country.


Ditto. Hasn't topped $5 here in Athens at any point afaik (unless you're shopping Target or somewhere)

Ghost Econ 02-27-2025 03:06 PM

Generic eggs here in SC are $5.79 a dozen. Generic bacon is $4.99.

cuervo72 02-27-2025 03:18 PM

$5.99/doz here at my usual store. I believe it was half that when everyone was going ape shit about it in November. (I don't buy many eggs.)

sovereignstar v2 02-27-2025 03:18 PM


Ksyrup 02-27-2025 03:24 PM

DeSantis stating that the Tate brothers aren't welcome in FL with "that type of conduct" but has no problems with Trump, AND they got their travel restrictions lifted with help/pressure from Trump so they could come to the US is... something.

MIJB#19 02-27-2025 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3458527)
The Netherlands and the ABCs are fully on my radar as possible.

Just beware that we have our own out-of-their-mind-lunatic right wing people in charge, complete with Twitter addictions. But at least they don't have the ability to start world war 3. And laws are still laws and journalists mostly can still do their jobs.

Lathum 02-27-2025 04:37 PM

This fucking moron is going to bankrupt us all

RainMaker 02-27-2025 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3458612)
This fucking moron is going to bankrupt us all




RainMaker 02-27-2025 06:05 PM

It is kind of funny that Republicans are doing a better job of propping up the Democrats than the Democrats are.

SirFozzie 02-27-2025 06:14 PM

Look at Canada.. the conservative party had a TWENTY SIX point lead when Trump took office, and now the Liberals lead by two points.

reuters.com

They are doing a good job tying Trump to the Conservatives.

Atocep 02-27-2025 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3458619)
It is kind of funny that Republicans are doing a better job of propping up the Democrats than the Democrats are.


Neither party is popular. The dems did well in 2018 because people realize quickly that they don't like Trump or his policies. That hasn't changed and 2026 is already shaping up to be a bloodbath for the GOP unless dems somehow fuck it up along the way.

SirFozzie 02-27-2025 06:38 PM

Honestly, the best bet for the country is that Musk overreaches and sets off a civil war with Trump supporters.. it's kinda happening already because all the folks in various departments don't like the fact that Musk is kicking over their fiefdoms.

JPhillips 02-27-2025 06:39 PM

Good luck if you have tax problems. Elon is shutting down half of the call centers.

JPhillips 02-27-2025 06:42 PM

dola

Endless corruption.

Quote:

The SEC has just halted its fraud prosecution of Justin Sun, a Chinese national who has put more than $50 million in Trump's pocket since November through the purchase of crypto tokens from a Trump-backed company, World Liberty Financial.

kingfc22 02-27-2025 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3458620)
Look at Canada.. the conservative party had a TWENTY SIX point lead when Trump took office, and now the Liberals lead by two points.

reuters.com

They are doing a good job tying Trump to the Conservatives.


I was in Canada on vacation last week and the political TV ads were fantastic in tying opposition candidates back to Trump. If only that worked here in the States

RainMaker 02-27-2025 08:14 PM

It doesn't work here because there isn't really an opposition party. Most Dem leaders are fine with what Trump does and prefer to not be in power.

Mota 02-27-2025 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3458620)
Look at Canada.. the conservative party had a TWENTY SIX point lead when Trump took office, and now the Liberals lead by two points.

reuters.com

They are doing a good job tying Trump to the Conservatives.


It is quite incredible. I had 0% chance of this happening.

Trudeau was the bad guy. The carbon tax was hated. Immigration was too high. But then Trump became the bad guy, and all of the Conservative attack lines that were so effective lost all of their power. Now it's all about protecting the country from tariffs, and forging new alliances and trading partners who aren't as adversarial and chaotic as the US.

RainMaker 02-27-2025 08:50 PM

So, after weeks of buildup over releasing the Epstein files, they ended up not doing it and instead posting a Rick Roll video online. Meanwhile, they push for the release of a sex trafficker to come back to the country where he's already lined up a speaking gig at a Republican event.

Feels like they're giving the game away.

Ksyrup 02-28-2025 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3458623)
Good luck if you have tax problems. Elon is shutting down half of the call centers.


The tax problems they are fixing with these changes are for those who cheated on their taxes, so this is just collateral damage for the rest of us.

Ksyrup 02-28-2025 07:29 AM

If the Dems had any balls whatsoever, someone would invest in a national ad campaign about immigration that highlights some of the terrible things Trump is doing internally juxtaposed with allowing the Tate brothers to find safe harbor here. If done right, I don't know how that wouldn't land well and be really effective.

Trump is playing stupid, of course, but SOMEONE greenlit them being granted release in Romania and jumping on a plane to Florida. Fucking call them out on this BS. The contradictions couldn't be more clear. We're cleaning out minorities and importing rapists.

GrantDawg 02-28-2025 07:48 AM

The Tates are perfect examples of people who would pay $5 million dollars for the Gold card Visa, except he is natural born citizen.

JPhillips 02-28-2025 07:48 AM

Andrew Tate has said previously that he speaks with Barron.

Ksyrup 02-28-2025 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3458651)
The Tates are perfect examples of people who would pay $5 million dollars for the Gold card Visa, except he is natural born citizen.


I didnt' realize they were Americans. I guess I should have been able to guess, lol.

GrantDawg 02-28-2025 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458655)
I didnt' realize they were Americans. I guess I should have been able to guess, lol.

Dual citizenship with the UK. Born in DC, by an English mother and an American father.

GrantDawg 02-28-2025 09:20 AM

This really explain a lot about the feeling of disconnect in our country.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3458629)
I was in Canada on vacation last week and the political TV ads were fantastic in tying opposition candidates back to Trump. If only that worked here in the States


There's more reasonably bright Americans than Canadians. It's why I wouldn't take it as the 51st state for any amount of money, we've got enough fucking socialists already thanks.

The first month hasn't been quite perfect but certainly full of highlights that are the first reasons for optimism in a once-great nation in quite a while.

kingfc22 02-28-2025 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458662)
a once-great nation in quite a while.


And what specific time frame would that be?

Mota 02-28-2025 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458662)
There's more reasonably bright Americans than Canadians. It's why I wouldn't take it as the 51st state for any amount of money, we've got enough fucking socialists already thanks.

The first month hasn't been quite perfect but certainly full of highlights that are the first reasons for optimism in a once-great nation in quite a while.


Nearly one in four Canadians (24.6%) had a college certificate or diploma or similar credential as their highest level of education in 2021, above all other G7 countries and more than double the share in the United States (10.8%)

On top of that, Canadians live longer and are healthier. Average life expectancy for males in USA is 75.8 and 79.5 in Canada. That's a big difference.

sovereignstar v2 02-28-2025 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458667)
Nearly one in four Canadians (24.6%) had a college certificate or diploma or similar credential as their highest level of education in 2021, above all other G7 countries and more than double the share in the United States (10.8%)

On top of that, Canadians live longer and are healthier. Average life expectancy for males in USA is 75.8 and 79.5 in Canada. That's a big difference.


The only thing Jon has a grasp of regarding Canada is Bret 'The Hitman' Hart

NobodyHere 02-28-2025 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458667)
Nearly one in four Canadians (24.6%) had a college certificate or diploma or similar credential as their highest level of education in 2021, above all other G7 countries and more than double the share in the United States (10.8%)

On top of that, Canadians live longer and are healthier. Average life expectancy for males in USA is 75.8 and 79.5 in Canada. That's a big difference.


Where are you getting your education stats from?

This link shows much higher educational attainment in the US

Census Bureau Releases New Educational Attainment Data

Ksyrup 02-28-2025 11:07 AM

Education level is beside the point. JIMGA's idea of smart or not is your political affiliation.

Lathum 02-28-2025 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458662)
There's more reasonably bright Americans than Canadians. It's why I wouldn't take it as the 51st state for any amount of money, we've got enough fucking socialists already thanks.

The first month hasn't been quite perfect but certainly full of highlights that are the first reasons for optimism in a once-great nation in quite a while.


Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

Mota 02-28-2025 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3458670)
Where are you getting your education stats from?

This link shows much higher educational attainment in the US

Census Bureau Releases New Educational Attainment Data


You're right, it was only pulling colleges, so a limited set of data. This one is a lot closer:

The share of the population aged 25 to 64 who had a college or university credential was 57.5% in Canada, higher than all other members of the G7. The other G7 countries had the following shares: 50.3% in the United States, 50.1% in the United Kingdom, 40.7% in France, 20.0% in Italy, 31.1% in Germany and 55.6% in Japan.

Ksyrup 02-28-2025 12:00 PM

Something tells me this Zelenskyy meeting was a set-up.

Atocep 02-28-2025 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458678)
Something tells me this Zelenskyy meeting was a set-up.


Good god that was embarrassing for our country.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458667)
Nearly one in four Canadians (24.6%) had a college certificate or diploma or similar credential as their highest level of education in 2021, above all other G7 countries and more than double the share in the United States (10.8%)


Don't fall into the mistake of confusing education with good sense.

Edward64 02-28-2025 12:31 PM

Well crap. I don’t think we’ve seen that happen before.

Good luck Ukraine. I really, really hope you and NATOexUS are able to hold back the horde without US support or munitions.

kingfc22 02-28-2025 12:48 PM

Trump trying to extort Zelensky again this time in broad daylight.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3458671)
Education level is beside the point. JIMGA's idea of smart or not is your political affiliation.


Tsk tsk. Do you really know anyone who calls out idiots on his own side of the aisle more frequently than I do/have?

There are three primary causes for liberalism: ignorance, mental/emotional illness, plain ol' evil.

I don't usually try to pin down someone's cause(s), though I do tend to be generous and go with ignorance as the first option. Yeah, I know better but it's the easiest one to cure so that's the optimistic approach.

Mota 02-28-2025 12:56 PM

The problem is that Trump's definition of "peace" is for Ukraine to surrender. Imagine asking for 50% of a country's rare earth resources in exchange for what?

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458685)
The problem is that Trump's definition of "peace" is for Ukraine to surrender. Imagine asking for 50% of a country's rare earth resources in exchange for what?


Not ceasing to exist on the map.

Not a big loss to the rest of the world perhaps but I'd have figured they might want to hold on to that.

Apparently not.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 01:02 PM

Y'know, thinking about it just a little more ... did nobody tell Z-man that there was a new sheriff in town? Specifically one that wasn't senile and wasn't looking to launder money.

Talk about arriving ill-prepared, yikes. Would be interesting to know if anyone tried (or didn't) to smarten him up beforehand or if he refused to listen to them or what.

Mota 02-28-2025 01:03 PM

Signs of a cult
Control: The group controls your finances, relationships, and choices.
Fear: The group uses fear to control members, such as threats of harm or shunning.
Isolation: The group encourages you to cut ties with friends and family.
Black-and-white thinking: The group promotes a simplistic worldview that positions itself as good and the outside world as evil.
No room for questions: The group discourages dissent and critical thinking.
Authoritarianism: The group has absolute authoritarianism without accountability.
Abuse: The group abuses members.
Beliefs: The group has unusual or extreme beliefs and rituals.
Leader: The group has a charismatic leader who claims to have all the answers.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 01:10 PM

Remember, dear readers, I'm a DeSantis guy more than a Trump guy.

You've never once, for example, heard/seen me use MAGA (aside from a group identifier) ... because I don't for a second believe that's actually possible. Slowing the swirl down the drain is the ceiling afaic, but that explains much of why I'm downright giddy at times about the first month or so of this administration. Definitely moves in the right direction for that.

First term was primarily marked by entertainment value -- which I noted before & during was about my high water hope for it -- this time I actually think he might slow the rate of descent.

HerRealName 02-28-2025 01:20 PM

Yeah, there's no difference between Republican and MAGA. They are the same.

Atocep 02-28-2025 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458688)
Y'know, thinking about it just a little more ... did nobody tell Z-man that there was a new sheriff in town? Specifically one that wasn't senile and wasn't looking to launder money.

Talk about arriving ill-prepared, yikes. Would be interesting to know if anyone tried (or didn't) to smarten him up beforehand or if he refused to listen to them or what.


The lead paint and leaded gas generation will believe anything. Maybe Zelensky should have bought some Trump crypto.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3458692)
Yeah, there's no difference between Republican and MAGA. They are the same.


Ehhhh ... there's still plenty of worse-than-useless lightweights carrying around the (R) label.

HerRealName 02-28-2025 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458694)
Ehhhh ... there's still plenty of worse-than-useless lightweights carrying around the (R) label.


They're all lightweight pussies incapable of the slightest independent action. There is no difference.

Mota 02-28-2025 01:34 PM

Their master won't allow them to have independent thought, otherwise they will be primaried.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458696)
Their master won't allow them to have independent thought, otherwise they will be primaried.


You mean like typically anti-Trump governor in GA is threatening?

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3458695)
They're all lightweight pussies incapable of the slightest independent action. There is no difference.


If they're doing good, good on them.
Still a lot of swamp draining to be done within the party tho.

Atocep 02-28-2025 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458698)
If they're doing good, good on them.
Still a lot of swamp draining to be done within the party tho.


The calls are coming from inside the house.

Atocep 02-28-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458684)
There are three primary causes for liberalism: ignorance, mental/emotional illness, plain ol' evil.


Things that definitely aren't mental illness: wishing harm to people that don't agree with you, wanting those same people hung, supporting someone that steals money from the people supporting him, cheering on people being fired from their jobs, having zero empathy for other humans, thinking Russia is the good guys, openly hoping for a dictator.

MIJB#19 02-28-2025 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3458688)
Y'know, thinking about it just a little more ... did nobody tell Z-man that there was a new sheriff in town? Specifically one that wasn't senile and wasn't looking to launder money.

Talk about arriving ill-prepared, yikes. Would be interesting to know if anyone tried (or didn't) to smarten him up beforehand or if he refused to listen to them or what.

Let's not forget that Zelensky has gotten used to getting praised and butt kissed everywhere he comes. Combine that with that Trump loves to butt kiss and praise dictators. So yeah, it makes sense for pretend to be dictator Zelensky to expect support. But somehow Zelensky forgot that Trump's drooling only happens when the other person isn't an ally of the USA. Zelensky somehow didn't get the latest news that Trump in 2025 threatens to annex his allies whenever he gets the chance.

RainMaker 02-28-2025 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3458685)
The problem is that Trump's definition of "peace" is for Ukraine to surrender. Imagine asking for 50% of a country's rare earth resources in exchange for what?


What is the alternative? I still can't get any pro-Ukraine folks to tell us what the plan is here. Ukraine is out of people who can fight.

This whole imperialist project with Ukraine will go down as historically bad. The blowback might be worse than the support of the Mujahideen. Biden gave one of the most corrupt countries on the planet an endless supply of weapons for years with no oversight. Forced them to fight and die. Then the next President rugpulled them at the end. So now you have a bunch of extremely far-right semi-terrorist organizations with access to weapons and a hatred of America. Doesn't typically play out well.

You can't put into words how bad a President Biden ended up being. All this could have been avoided.

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 3458702)
Let's not forget that Zelensky has gotten used to getting praised and butt kissed everywhere he comes. Combine that with that Trump loves to butt kiss and praise dictators. So yeah, it makes sense for pretend to be dictator Zelensky to expect support. But somehow Zelensky forgot that Trump's drooling only happens when the other person isn't an ally of the USA. Zelensky somehow didn't get the latest news that Trump in 2025 threatens to annex his allies whenever he gets the chance.


Zelensky isn't an ally, he's a grifter (albeit on a fairly grand scale). That played well with the previous administration.

kingfc22 02-28-2025 02:44 PM

Projection much. Lol

JonInMiddleGA 02-28-2025 03:17 PM

If the reports saying that the WH press folks got to eat the lunch that was intended for Zelensky are accurate, this is even more fun.

At least Lindsay Graham appears capable of reading the room. He went from virtually bowing to Zelensky to " “Americans witnessing this would not want Zelensky to be their business partner including me.”

When you lose your leading sycophant, that can't be a good sign.

FAFO indeed

RainMaker 02-28-2025 03:19 PM

They're all grifters. Trump is just more open about the grift than others which is actually nice to see for a change.

I think part of the blowback on Democrats and establishment Republicans is that they come across condescending in all this. America doesn't care about democracy and freedom in Ukraine (nor anywhere for that matter). They aren't actually worried Putin will take over Europe. This was always about funneling hundreds of billions to defense companies. Only the biggest rubes fell for the talking points and even they started seeing through the scam recently.

I'd rather politicians just be honest about it all. If you don't have something to provide to America (or its wealthiest citizens), you're of no importance to us and we'll throw you aside. Kamala would do the same thing once Ukraine ran out of bodies to fight, she'd have just made up some bullshit about how we need peace or whatever when the money well ran dry.

RainMaker 02-28-2025 03:26 PM

Instead of media appearances, Zelensky should have read some history books to realize America ALWAYS fucks their allies over in the end. It's always been transactional.

BYU 14 02-28-2025 03:40 PM

Not sure what some people watched, but it wasn't Zelensky that looked bad in all of this, Trump and Vance metaphorically couldn't have fellated Putin any harder, but of course the foreplay to that was claiming Ukraine started the war.

I don't get, how in any bizarro world the president of a country that was invaded, unprovoked is the bad guy. And yes, he has his issues, but he shouldn't even be in this position at this point.

flere-imsaho 02-28-2025 04:08 PM

I think the real problem is that, unlike Netanyahu, Zelensky didn't offer Trump the opportunity to build luxury real estate on the Black Sea. Or maybe that's what Putin's offered Trump, which is why he wants to see Ukraine lose.

RainMaker 02-28-2025 04:17 PM

The Putin stuff is weird. Biden was the biggest fucking gift Putin could ever ask for. Their economy is stronger, they've forged a relationship with China, they figured out how to beat Western air defenses, and shifted most of Europe to the right because of the failed sanctions. Not to mention they've gotten most of the land they wanted anyway and fucked the United States out of a few hundred billion with baggage.

I really don't think Trump gives a flying fuck about Putin either way. This was revenge for the impeachment. It was revenge for Ukraine not giving him what he wanted when he was President. Something he felt he deserved after Ukraine gave Biden something he wanted when he was VP (investigation into Burisma to go away).

Trump's a horribly corrupt guy but this insistence he's working for Putin has been a dead end path for neocons for almost a decade. It's a complete misunderstanding of who Trump is and what he cares about.

dubb93 02-28-2025 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3458703)
What is the alternative? I still can't get any pro-Ukraine folks to tell us what the plan is here. Ukraine is out of people who can fight.


They aren't out of people that can fight. They project nearly a million people on the battlefield and exclude anyone below 25 that isn't a volunteer. They can still fight. They just need to move the draft age down. Honestly, if they can't stomach that then they probably deserve whatever deal Putin and Trump come up with, but if they do mobilize the young then both Europe and the US need to step up. Europe with boots and US with technology. I believe that if you let Russia keep doing this and getting away with it that they aren't going to stop and the money sink will never end. What happens when they go for the Baltics or Poland? We would be fully mobilized. We are at a point in Ukraine, maybe a couple of years ago more than now, where a little to big nudge would push Russia back to Moscow fairly quickly. Once that happens they will be the ones making a favorable deal.

NATO either fights this war or they are going to be forced to fight another one. And then another one.

dubb93 02-28-2025 04:22 PM

We fucked this war up with all our conditions for our equipment. Telling them they couldn't use them offensively (and in Russia until they had suffered massive losses) was a major blunder.

RainMaker 02-28-2025 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3458728)
They aren't out of people that can fight. They project nearly a million people on the battlefield and exclude anyone below 25 that isn't a volunteer. They can still fight. They just need to move the draft age down. Honestly, if they can't stomach that then they probably deserve whatever deal Putin and Trump come up with, but if they do mobilize the young then both Europe and the US need to step up. Europe with boots and US with technology. I believe that if you let Russia keep doing this and getting away with it that they aren't going to stop and the money sink will never end. What happens when they go for the Baltics or Poland? We would be fully mobilized. We are at a point in Ukraine, maybe a couple of years ago more than now, where a little to big nudge would push Russia back to Moscow fairly quickly. Once that happens they will be the ones making a favorable deal.


Pure fantasy. You're not pushing Russia back to Moscow. They're dragging 50 year olds off the street to fight in Ukraine. And who the fuck are you to demand a bunch of 20 year olds who had no say in this war have to now go and die for your imperial desires?

The war is over. Russia won. Your plan failed. Ukraine should have negotiated peace in 2022 when they had leverage. It sucks that Biden, Boris, and other morons chose such a disastrous path.

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3458728)
NATO either fights this war or they are going to be forced to fight another one. And then another one.


No one in this country wants to die for a piece of land in Eastern Europe that has nothing to do with us. They are taking volunteers if you're up for it. But I'm guessing you want other people to die for your cause.

RainMaker 02-28-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3458729)
We fucked this war up with all our conditions for our equipment. Telling them they couldn't use them offensively (and in Russia until they had suffered massive losses) was a major blunder.


Almost like the goal wasn't to win but to have a prolonged conflict where we could funnel hundreds of billions to defense companies over the next couple decades without having to have actual skin in the game.

HerRealName 02-28-2025 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3458733)
Almost like the goal wasn't to win but to have a prolonged conflict where we could funnel hundreds of billions to defense companies over the next couple decades without having to have actual skin in the game.


This sounds awfully conspiratorial. If the US actually was just attempting to assist Ukraine from an invasion, what would look any different from the current situation?

SirFozzie 02-28-2025 05:13 PM

we are seeing in this thread how extreme right wing and extreme left wing, somehow meet in the middle (of looney land)

we once had the axis of evil. I propose we call the Jon/Rainmaker coalition the Horseshoe of Horseshit ;)

RainMaker 02-28-2025 05:20 PM

I don't think you have to be far-left or far-right to see that the whole Ukraine thing has been an utter disaster. You'd think after being wrong this many times you'd be used to it.

If anything, Trump handed you a gift here. You can now blame the failure of your policies on him instead of yourselves. Imagine having to explain this all under Kamala.

SirFozzie 02-28-2025 05:23 PM

Because helping a nation survive multiple years with no American boots on the ground when it was believed that without assistance they would last weeks at MOST is "utter disaster".

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

SirFozzie 02-28-2025 05:35 PM

And to correct Rainmaker's alternate reality where we "handed Ukraine weapons without oversight" one of the problems for Ukraine is that we've actually STOPPED them from hitting targets behind the Russian Lines, because we didn't want to antagonize Russia. I'm sure you'll ignore that fact just like you ignore all the facts that might break into your alternate-world fantasies. (BTW, Trump just removed oversight on possible warcrimes by the Israeis using US supplied munitions.. yet another thing where the facts don't matter to you except what you WANT to believe is true in your feverish punch drunk mind)

Jon is Jon, the old joke I made of him being "slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun" is on show here, but Rainmaker, you have been parading your alternate reality here on Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine for months, and you are a very special kind of idiot. Are you really surprised that people are calling you out in your attempts to conflate black and white (if not completely reverse it in your reality).

RainMaker 02-28-2025 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3458740)
Because helping a nation survive multiple years with no American boots on the ground when it was believed that without assistance they would last weeks at MOST is "utter disaster".

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.


You didn't help them survive. They lost, hundreds of thousands of people are dead, their neighbors to the West are more right-wing now, and Russia is stronger than it was before. You delayed the inevitable at the expense of lives and geopolitical strength.

And your "no American boots on the ground" is telling. You viewed Ukrainians as cannon fodder. You forced them to die so you could feel like you were helping. Complete and utter cowardice and the reason the neoliberal project has failed. If you truly thought this was important, you'd demand American troops on the ground.

dubb93 02-28-2025 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3458732)
And who the fuck are you to demand a bunch of 20 year olds who had no say in this war have to now go and die for your imperial desires?


I'm not demanding anything. I'm simply stating if they want to have a country it's time to fight. If they don't want a country then fine, surrender. If they aren't serious about the war I'm not really sure why we should be.

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No one in this country wants to die for a piece of land in Eastern Europe that has nothing to do with us. They are taking volunteers if you're up for it. But I'm guessing you want other people to die for your cause.

I 100% agree. At what point did I say American boots hit the ground? I said Europe needs to step up if they want something done here. There should be European boots on the ground if they are serious about halting Russia. If Russia was invading my state I assure you I would be out there with a rifle. They aren't invading my country or state.


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