Yeah, this one hurts. Rest in peace, and thanks for the laughs.

I hate to be "that guy"

but somehow "drowned in Jacuzzi" takes all sadness out of the death for me.

While on some level the death of a 54yo should usually be seen as more "tragic" than the death of an 80yo, in this case the death of the 80yo lands a little harder with me, in that it makes me think "damn, Richard Moll was 80yo." It really bangs home the passage of time. I know Richard Moll as a much younger man. Yet another cast member of a show from my youth is gone. Perry's death, while (like much of his battles with addiction) is sad, but it's a rarer occurrence, someone from our cohort dying. That, and there's the unnatural aspect of it -- jaccuzi, well that's a freak occurrence. Moll is another case of "shit, that generation (I grew up watching) is disappearing."

Or, most of us can beat the jacuzzi - none of us are going to beat time.

I'm gonna bet the jacuzzi had a little help.

I dunno, initial "sources" say no drugs found at the scene.

I could completely believe that, given his history, his heart just said fuck this shit I'm out.

I've seen some speculation from medical professionals that with his history of drug and alcohol abuse there's a decent chance he suffered from low blood pressure, which would have been made worse by getting into a hot jacuzzi. It could have led to a heart attack or just simply passing out and drowning.

I think we're saying the same thing. Meaning, almost nobody drowns in a jacuzzi without some sort of contributing factor. He could have slipped and hit his head, I suppose, but it's more likely his history - whether his past use or more recent - is really what put him in position to drown. It's not like he went swimming and got pulled under a rip current.

It's important to note that while Perry abused drugs much like many (most?) actors of the time, what really got him was an opiate addiction commenced legally after a watercraft accident. This death is merely another to be correctly foisted upon the Sackler family and everyone in industry, government, and the medical profession that ignored the warnings about those drugs for too long.

I'm guessing better than even odds.

If truly caused by drug abuse, stupid way to go.

Whitney drowned in a bathtub "with a little help." It is entirely possible that this was medical. It actually is a pretty common occurrence that a Jacuzzi causes someone to pass out or have a heart attack.

Not sure this qualifies as famous person, but felt this thread was more appropriate than the Random Thoughts.

Nottingham Panthers ice hockey player Adam Johnson dies after ˜freak injury” | Ice hockey | The Guardian

Kinda surprised cut injuries don’t happen more often TBH, but this is horrific

Can you imagine the blood on the ice from that? Ugh.

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Saw the video, it was A LOT of blood

OMFG :(

so sorry for him

Decades of heavy cocaine and alcohol use will turn your heart into a time bomb. Even after you've gotten sober. My guess is his heart gave out in the jacuzzi.

I can’t be the only one who didn’t know that Matthew Perry’s stepfather was Keith Morrison, the creepy guy from dateline

I heard an interview of Keith Morrison a while back on a podcast, that is how I knew.

That hockey thing really bothers me. It was so sad watching that. It reminded me of how steve irwin died. Just....an accident that hit exactly right and he even realized what was happening to himself as he died.

Yeah, I posted that earlier. Had no idea.

I always called him Guy Smiley (mainly the long-faced reporter, but worked better before he got OLD and his hair went total white).

I always think this about Maggie Vespa.

Wow.

I also learned yesterday that Anderson Cooper's mother was Gloria Vanderbilt.

My favorite "wow" of this genre was learning a few years back that Bartlett Giamatti was Paul Giamatti's father.

Just out of curiosity I suppose ... you do know who George Clooney's mother is, right?

I knew the Clooney name and Rosemary Clooney, but was amused to learn his father was a well-known TV anchor (who I never heard of until I learned that), and that Miguel Ferrer was his cousin.

This will make you appreciate/like Keith Morrison. Bill Hader loves him and used to play him on SNL and they surprised him by letting them hang with Keith. Pretty wholesome:

Bob Knight has passed.

I hope there aren't folding chairs in heaven.

Knight:

When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass.

I have a lot of mixed feelings on Coach Knight. He did a lot of good things, but pulled a lot of shit too. Rest in peace.

Would you throw a chair,
If I saw you in Heaven
Give an angry glare,
If I saw you in Heaven...

I feel like Bobby Knight was the coach that I "knew" completely in the moment. Before him, I feel like coaches were portrayed as either complete saints or complete assholes. The saints were guys who never did anything negative to his players or anyone else. Those coaches would eventually be considered kind of soft so their fans had to tell the stories that the coach could be an asshole when he needed to. The reverse was true on the other side. At some point there had to be a story of the complete asshole coach using his influence for good in big but anonymous way to make him appear to be less of an asshole. For me, Knight was the first coach that I would see and hear about both of those sides in the moment. He seemed to always be his authentic self flaws and all.

Sadly way too many assholes justify abusive and obnoxious behavior by fraudulently claiming they are only following Knight's example. Love him and hate him, there was and will only be one Robert Montgomery Knight. RIP.

fwiw, Jay Bilas has a pretty good column about Knight on espn dot com today

Yeah, I just read that. It was good.

This is where I'm at as well. I think by most objective measures, one of the top four of five college coaches of all time. But just as undoubtedly an ass hat.

Police have just arrested the player whose skate cut Adam Johnson’s neck for manslaughter.

I did watch the video, wish I hadn’t, not going to watch it again, but I don’t recall anything that looked like it was anything other than a tragic accident.

That's crazy, seems like maybe there was a lot of public pressure driven by emotion? Which is a terrible way to make a charging decision.

I feel bad for him.

Edit: I haven't played much ice hockey, certainly nothing close to the speed and collisions at that level, but there seems to be a minority opinion among hockey people there that he swung his leg up on purpose - not to kill the guy - but to obstruct his movement. Which I guess could fall into some kind of reckless intent/however the charge is defined. And apparently this was a "move" he's used before. So who knows.

Didn't look natural at all from what I remember. Not surprised he's been charged.

One thing I thought odd is that they had him skate off the ice instead of using a stretcher or just giving first aid right there on the ice.

Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in Adam Johnson's hockey death | AP News

Lots of ex-players on Twitter saying the same thing FWIW. I haven’t had the stomach to watch it, but also in the UK the bar for a manslaughter investigation is pretty low and I was reading a Twitter thread on it earlier that also said they basically have to do it procedurally to keep investigating.

So all in all, not at all surprised in this either.

DOLA - and now trying to find said tweet, I’ve seen the gif like 3 times. Yeah, that just looks ugly and unnatural, but equally I can’t believe any hockey player is that reckless.

If anything they should arrest the skate. Clearly it houses the soul of some mass murderer.

The Malarchuk incident has been burned in my memory for 30 years or whatever now, so I have not had the stomach to watch this new one. I find it crazy to think it could have been anything other than a freak accident. Then I saw a video last night of another time the arrested individual kind of kicked out with his skate and it was super intentional. So now I'm less certain, and even more sickened.

As far as the video, you really can't see what's happening. THe camera is far away, it pans and then you see a clump of bodies fall like they always do when people crash into each other. You start to see blood on the ice and then as he moves a blood trail forms. The disturbing part for me really is when he and the ref skate off the ice, both are applying pressure to it and they are showing closeup of him there. Just seeing his last moments alive really were sad. It reminded me of Steve Irwin. WHere they described the video...they saw him reach toward the ray and pulled its stinger out of his chest. Those were Steve's last moments alive.

We don't notice it as a dramatic thing every time, but I guess it's also true that skates end up high by a guy's face fairly often. It happened last night in the NHL.

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Longtime NASCAR announcer, broadcaster Ken Squier dies at 88 - ESPN

A darned good broadcaster.

Rest in peace.

Not famous, but famous adjacent. Dana Carvey's 32-year-old son died of an OD last night. I listen to his podcast with David Spade regularly, and he always talks so glowingly of his sons. Just heartbreaking.

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Roslayn Carter passed away at 96. If you have money in the Jimmy Carter pool, you need to have a day pretty soon. I would guess he follows her in the next couple of weeks.