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JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2025 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3463572)
And I don't think some seasoned vet needs to be there to teach him how to watch film


Maybe you're just underestimating how poorly coached, trained, prepared a lot of the brats in the league posing as professionals are these days.

JPhillips 05-21-2025 08:53 AM

It's amazing to me how most of the NFL refuses to spend small amounts of money on things that would seem to make a very cost efficient difference to the wins/losses. I don't think a team is obligated to help with film study, but why wouldn't they? The cost, compared to other things they are spending money on, is minimal. It just seems like there are a lot of things that a million dollars in expenditures could greatly improve.

Passacaglia 05-21-2025 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3463573)
Maybe you're just underestimating how poorly coached, trained, prepared a lot of the brats in the league posing as professionals are these days.


Not at all. I just disagree with the notion that replacing Tyson Bagent with Case Keenum is some kind of key to success, or even potentially a key to success. If the Bears coaches last year didn't put in the time to coach him properly, that's on them. If Caleb whines that "yes I watched film with coaches, but for my independent film study I was left alone" that's on him. Case Keenum isn't going to make a difference here.

Danny 05-21-2025 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3463576)
Not at all. I just disagree with the notion that replacing Tyson Bagent with Case Keenum is some kind of key to success, or even potentially a key to success. If the Bears coaches last year didn't put in the time to coach him properly, that's on them. If Caleb whines that "yes I watched film with coaches, but for my independent film study I was left alone" that's on him. Case Keenum isn't going to make a difference here.


You may be underestimating this. The whole idea of a vet to help others kept Bryan Hoyer employed for like 15 years.

RainMaker 05-21-2025 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3463519)
Am I missing where there's been any corroboration to the claims about the film stuff (or anything else really)?

Are we just assuming this is anything other than yet another meddling parent with a desire for 15 minutes of fame?

Cause, frankly, at this point those seem to be at least as common as really bad front offices.


In fairness, the greatest advice you can give to your child is to not be employed as the QB for the Chicago Bears.

It was mostly corroborated. The story came out during the season and Waldron was fired a week or two later. There were some other vets who spoke out about how there was no accountability from the staff and how they were basically on their own in training camp.

Not sure if Waldron is just a really bad coach or if he realized this was a dead end job with a lame duck coach and decided to mail it in. He was hired as a favor to an agent anyway.

Honolulu_Blue 05-21-2025 12:18 PM

What we really need now is for Ben Johnson to have a Robert Saleh-type arc. He goes to Chicago, everything turns out terribly, he leaves after a couple of years and returns to the warmth and safety of being Detroit's OC again.

Bobble 05-21-2025 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 3463584)
What we really need now is for Ben Johnson to have a Robert Saleh-type arc. He goes to Chicago, everything turns out terribly, he leaves after a couple of years and returns to the warmth and safety of being Detroit's OC again.


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GrantDawg 05-21-2025 06:57 PM

Jim Irsay has died at 65.

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NobodyHere 05-21-2025 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3463600)
Jim Irsay has died at 65.

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Death always picks on the poor billionaires

Passacaglia 05-29-2025 10:57 PM

Caleb Williams gives his "response":

Bears QB Caleb Williams insists ‘I wanted to come here’ in response to book details - The Athletic

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“That was a funny one that came out,” Caleb Williams said Wednesday. “It wasn’t that I didn’t know how to watch film. It was more or less the sense of …. learning ways to watch film and be more efficient, learning ways to pick up things better. So that was a funny one that came out, that in context, in how that was trying to be portrayed, didn’t get portrayed that way.”

flere-imsaho 05-30-2025 09:16 AM

This is one of the dumber controversies. We can take three things from it, none of which are remotely surprising:

1. The Bears' rookie QB was looking for ways to get better at his job and didn't get a lot of help, especially the kind of help that is routinely given to rookie QBs in other organizations.

2. The Bears didn't know how to upskill their rookie QB.

3. The Bears organization, from the top down, doesn't know how to run a modern football operation.

Compare and contrast all the things the Commanders' organization (with new ownership & leadership, importantly) did to help Jayden Daniels.

albionmoonlight 05-30-2025 09:28 AM

Even at the time, it was obvious that keeping Eberflus was a stupid idea.

flere-imsaho 05-30-2025 09:43 AM

Drafting a high-potential QB needs to be treated the same as giving someone the keys to one of those Ferraris or Porsches that routinely kill their drivers because they can't handle it. Are you 100% certain your HC/OC absolutely/positively knows how to develop your new blue-chip QB?

albionmoonlight 05-30-2025 10:15 AM

Rational Brain Me: The Saints simply lack talent. Wins are gonna be few and far between. The history of second round QBs is a graveyard; Shough is not the answer. The best thing we can hope for this season is that the recent high draft investments in the O-line will appear to have paid off and that Moore does not look outclassed as a head coach, even as the losses pile up. Those developments will provide a good foundation for rebuilding in 2026 and beyond as the Saints' cap situation finally normalizes.

Me Upon Reading Local Reporters Gushing About Shough and Rattler Looking Great in Non-Contact 7-on-7 Drills at OTAs: We are BACK baby!

JonInMiddleGA 05-30-2025 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3463838)
Are you 100% certain your HC/OC absolutely/positively knows how to develop your new blue-chip QB?


Conversely tho, how certain are you that this even IS a blue-chip QB, versus a "well, nobody has a better idea that doesn't seem riskier public sooooo ..."

Could be that the lovechild of ghost Lombardi and Walsh couldn't develop the player. In which case, dont' change coaches now, wait and use the change as a way to save your own (GM) job a year down the road.

GrantDawg 05-30-2025 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3463838)
Drafting a high-potential QB needs to be treated the same as giving someone the keys to one of those Ferraris or Porsches that routinely kill their drivers because they can't handle it. Are you 100% certain your HC/OC absolutely/positively knows how to develop your new blue-chip QB?

How about not drafting a blue-chip prospect, say maybe a third rounder, without hiring a QB coach or providing any actual extra instruction to him, and then naming him the starter without any competition? Then when the guy fails so badly you lose your job, and having missed evaluated the player so poorly that he is probably out of the league two years later, you still get OC job to be underwhelming in?

flere-imsaho 05-30-2025 12:17 PM

Fair, Jon. I was speaking from the POV of an owner, though.

JonInMiddleGA 05-30-2025 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3463853)
Fair, Jon. I was speaking from the POV of an owner, though.


Hell, I wonder sometimes if THEY know they're fucked from the jump too.

Passacaglia 05-30-2025 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3463847)
Conversely tho, how certain are you that this even IS a blue-chip QB, versus a "well, nobody has a better idea that doesn't seem riskier public sooooo ..."

Could be that the lovechild of ghost Lombardi and Walsh couldn't develop the player. In which case, dont' change coaches now, wait and use the change as a way to save your own (GM) job a year down the road.


If you draft a guy #1 (and really, anywhere in the top half of the 1st round), you're all in on that guy. I don't think there's anything to be gained from speculating about whether or not he's that good. You've already decided he is. He's your franchise now.

Honolulu_Blue 06-02-2025 11:46 AM

Lions center, Frank Ragnow, just announced his retirement. He’s suffered a ton of injuries during his career and his body just couldn’t do it anymore. A great player. He’ll be missed and it’s a huge loss for the Lions.

JPhillips 06-02-2025 12:19 PM

Wow.

He was the guy the Bengals wanted but everyone knew it so the Lions jumped up and got him. The Bengals went with Billy Price and, well, that didn't work out.

albionmoonlight 06-02-2025 12:48 PM

The Lions didn't use the draft or FA to find a replacement, so I suspect that he only recently came to the decision himself.

Danny 06-02-2025 01:06 PM

It sounds he wanted to go but his body said no

Honolulu_Blue 06-02-2025 01:32 PM

Yeah, I think he was planning on giving it a try, but just couldn't do it. The Lions did draft two guards and already had one taking reps at center during the rookie mini-camp, so I think they may have had some inkling he might retire.

The Lions running metrics with and without Ragnow in the line-up are pretty stark. He's a key cog in the machine. A multiple pro-bowler and a 2nd team All-Pro. It's going to be tough sledding without him.

JonInMiddleGA 06-02-2025 03:18 PM

Tough day for Centers I guess, David Andrews announces his retirement as well

RainMaker 06-02-2025 03:40 PM

That's a tough position to play in the NFL from a physical standpoint.

Edward64 06-02-2025 03:43 PM

A great Hog. Happy retirement for him


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