Last night's EOs was one of the greatest governmental days I can recall in my lifetime

Imperfect, but damned enjoyable.

I was just mentioning this the other day in casual conversation with a friend. I think the Democratic Party is probably dead at this point. They need to rebrand and come back with all new and much younger leadership. The brand is so toxic right now in the minds of so many. I really don’t know how they come back.

The same was being said about the GOP after the 2020 election and J6. If there's one thing we've learned about politics, its that the party in power is sure to do everything they can to fuck up any advantage.

Maybe it’s where I live, but I didn’t have this same feeling in 2020. The right now controls basically all social media. We no longer fact check disinformation. Being called a democrat or a liberal is now an accepted insult. The Supreme Court is a majority right and not going to get any closer anytime soon. Left leaning new sites are now hiding behind paywalls. It really feels like the country just submitted to a king.

How many of these EOs get shot down? Birthright citizenship is almost certain to get killed by the courts. The telework ban can be partially upheld, at best. I'd be surprised if DOGE itself survives legal challenge. The law is pretty clear there.

The GOP was trying to win back power though and the Dems seem pretty content to be in the minority. They're all rich and Republican policy is better for them too.

The fact that no one has been fired or lost any position of power after yet another loss to Trump tells you they don't give a shit.

Wasn't that long ago we never thought Roe would be overturned. He has basically 3 guaranteed votes with him on everything with the court as it is. Roberts will stray, and I actually have some level of faith ACB will do the right thing, but lets not act like this court is some paragon of virtue.

From a legal standpoint Roe was always on shaky ground. They choose the wrong case to base the ruling on. That argument has been made since the 80s. It would have been a stronger law if it had been based on a doctor's right to perform lifesaving care. People didn't think the SCOTUS would overturn it because of the court's composition but once the GOP stacked the court everyone knew it was in trouble. That's why it got so much attention during the confirmations.

Birthright citizenship is cut and dry and has more than 100 years of legal precedent. Regardless, even if SCOTUS is receptive to the argument it's not something that can be done by EO. It would be a law passed by Congress.

I wonder if the birthright citizenship EO is so broad precisely because of an expected court challenge. Would SCOTUS take the opportunity to say children born to people legally in the US are citizens but people born to those illegally in the US are not. That would still be a great departure from the 14th amendment, but the court could sell it as the reasonable moderate position.

I have zero faith any of the norms will be upheld.

It's also not something the GOP should be cheering on, honestly. If this is upheld it opens the door for the 2nd ammendment to be redefined by EO at some point in the future.

You need to stop looking at it as the GOP and start thinking of it as MAGA. The GOP may as well be dead and given the way the last election went with young people and minorities it looks like they will have a generation of control.

It's just encouraging to see the federal government even _attempting_ to do something good, sane, rational, for a change.

I don't know how you can be calm in a time like this when Fauci is off committing his crimes against humanity.

MAGA is full of thin-skinned pussies raging at an Episcopal priest who had the audacity to say Trump should be kind to the vulnerable.

He'll get his.

We should eventually either get to see him sink his co-conspirators OR locked up for perjury. And I doubt he lasts long in jail unless he's in isolation.

The soy right is real.

Boy, as a dude who love the rule of law, you must be super pissed about all these people who trespassed and assaulted LEOs, most of whom pled guilty or were found guilty by judges/juries, getting pardoned.

I'm old enough to remember when governing by EO was a cardinal sin. But yes, all of the conservatives of 10+ years ago who dare to hold people accountable for flipping 180 degrees on their beliefs/values are the RINOs. Suuuuure.

Not in the slightest.

My feelings on that day have been pretty clear from the jump I believe.

I have no more mercy for those LEOs than I do for the ones who got involved in covid insanity enforcement.

They can all burn in the deepest pit of hell afaic, they forfeited any respect from me, as well as any quarter.

$20 says Trump ignores it anyway. "John Roberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it. In the meantime, deporting illegals is what we're going to do, and if a few die in detention camps, so much the better as they aren't human anyway."

The real problem is that those LEOs didn't have more firepower and didn't use it to eradicate everyone attempting to infiltrate the capital.

Yikes. This shit right here is why the MAGA shit is so dangerous. No, it isn’t OK to attack police officers just trying to do their jobs.

Leadership makes people feel like they can say whatever they want and they literally say the most vile treacherous shit possible.

They'll just redefine the words in it like they did with 2A rulings. 6-3. They've been openly bribed for years to do this stuff. The 14th isn't a hard amendment to interpret either as the people who wrote it openly talked about what they meant by it.

As for the EO, wouldn't many of us technically not be citizens? Tracking our lineage far enough back and I'm sure someone in our tree got citizenship by being born to immigrants.

So Trump's executive order on gender/sex classifies everyone in the country as female.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

That's not a MAGA exclusive belief. The left/liberals have been absolutely okay with attacking police officers just trying to do their jobs for much longer and with much more vigor.

I don't know, the vigor insurrectionists showed as they beat the hell out of officers on J6 is hard to beat.

Have they? I would be open to a list of state sponsored attacks on police performed by the left where the attackers were pardoned after the fact.

Name these politicians for us.

I would love examples of the left spraying cops with bear spray then getting a presidential pardon.

Prosecutors choose not to prosecute cases and it would be hard for presidents to give a blanket pardons to anyone that in the future could be charged with assault on LEO?

so you are saying there are prosecutors out there who would choose to not charge cases where LEOs were assaulted with bear spray?

Grassley: Let's End the War on Cops | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

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Police chief association releases number of officers injured during violent riots | Fox News

Nearly 400 NYPD Cops Hurt During NYC’s Two Weeks of Protest Over George Floyd’s Death – NBC New York

But both were just "peaceful" protests.

I know there were prosecutors that have chosen to not charge cases where a LEO was assaulted with a rock. But those don't make the news for some reason.

Edit: And I don't live in a city like San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, etc. so only those cops know what's actually happening there.

We were looking for the politicians that supported this. Which ones were they? I don't remember Biden giving out thousands of pardons to people who assaulted cops.

And a lot of people were arrested for assaulting cops at these protests.Differende is they didn't get pardoned. What is your complaint?

Arrested doesn't necessarily mean charged by a prosecutor so again hard for Biden to pardon them since they weren't his pre-pardoned elite.

And the politicians that supported it were the ones that perpetuated the "peaceful protest" fallacy.

There were over 14,000 arrests. I can't find any support for violent offenders or calls for pardons from major politicians or party leaders. Can't find anyone calling them political prisoners. Nor do I see any that were pardoned by Biden.

Can you link us to these politicians that did this stuff?

You can read the previous post.

Many people were charged and convicted. From this sample of the first 70 sentenced, they averaged 27 months in prison.

Can you show us the politicians who openly supported and called for their release?

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters | AP News

Again. You are not stupid. You can't advocate for the release of people that were never tried because the charges were not pursued.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...YxUhE8tZ1HqNHQ

I literally linked you to an article that talks about 120 people convicted of which 70 were sentenced.

Are you trying to say that there is not a single liberal protestor in prison today?

Here's some more. A quick Google search you can find hundreds more.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr...nced-46-months

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...287972330.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...296863239.html

For the people here trying to justify pardoning the J6 insurrectionists. Just remember that these are Proud Boys and Oath Keepers being pardoned, so if that's your side, you might want to think about what you believe in.

Purely anecdotal, but with the EO requiring a return to the office, I woke up to 3 different emails removing government jobs I had applied to that were all remote.

Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht was pardoned 10 years into his life sentence. Pop the champagne, Jon!

I said I liked nearly everything, not everything.

A lot of progress this week, but short of perfection.

In the war in Ukraine over yet?

If they were federal jobs and not contract positions there's also a hiring freeze. Anyone that didn't have a start date had their job offers pulled and all postings canceled.

What's the reasoning behind this one, did he buy TRUMP coins or something?

Bribed I'm sure, yes. Or this, which is rich coming from the guy that said we have drug issues in the states because we don't use the death penalty for dealers.
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Apparently, the Libertarian party was pushing for this as possibly their top priority and they strongly supported Trump in the election. As for why they want him released...


I'm unsure on why exactly they choose HIM to be the guy that they want released as I'm sure there are hundreds of people that could fit this mold. I'm guessing just because the case made headlines, but I also believe that his mother is involved in the party.

It was an important issue to Libertarian voters and he promised to do it in return for their support. Just building coalitions the old fashioned way. Probably something Democrats should look into doing if they ever want to win.

There's a good book called American Kingpin on the case. He definitely ran Silk Road, but I think the issue people had was with how the case was handled. They set him up on some stuff and multiple FBI agents were charged with committing their own crimes during the investigation (they basically took over the site and stole the bitcoin for themselves). There's also a lot of questions on how they caught him as many security experts believe they did so through illegal means and then lied about it in court (probably so they didn't disclose their surveillance capabilities on the Tor exit nodes). So it's a bit of a cause for civil liberty folks.

And also, he got 2 life sentences without parole. That seems quite harsh for the crimes he was actually convicted of. From my understanding, he never really sold the drugs directly and just ran the marketplace. If you're responsible for the actions of other members selling products, wouldn't Jeff Bezos be responsible for fraudulent and illegal products being sold on Amazon? So there is an argument that the sentence is not only too harsh, but also a case of the justice system not treating people equally.

Yes, we all know the justice system is by no means equal. How do libertarians feel about paying hitman large amounts of Bitcoin to kill people though?

He was never convicted of that so it's irrelevant to his case.

Sounds like some/most/all? of the NIH is currently shut down. Grant panels canceled and workshops stopped mid-presentation.

As someone who has a grant that gets reviewed in 2 weeks (and 2 weeks from my next submission), this is not great.

As scientific niche media noted most of this isn't unprecedented during an administration changeover. Obama did similar, as did Bush before him.

The link reads to me as the steps are far more wide-ranging than past admins, Dem or GOP.

But if you parse it all the way through, the only thing that appears to be more than usual is the blanket travel ban. The hiring freeze is government-wide, the communications ban is same as past administrations, the cap on attendance was both Obama & Bush policy.

Seems to me that the bulk of the complaints are from NIH staffers/officials ... which isn't surprising, they don't get to take government funded trips, of course they're gonna complain.

Bird Flu will continue to be a problem, whether or not trump and his administration actually care or not is the real question. If they don't, they will do nothing, and leave it up to state, locales, or even individuals. He will pass the buck on hard questions, like he did with the PPE during covid. He will blame those that don't fix it, after he's passed it, and he will take credit for anything and everything that looks good, whether or not he actually had anything to do with it. In the end, bird flu, isn't going anywhere.

Next up on the no longer citizens list: Native Americans.

"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court | Salon.com

They're not white. Why would they be citizens?

Eggs are $4.19 today.

Thanks Trump

Eggs have been infected with the woke mind virus.

This is not true, during the Obama/Bush years we did not stop study sections in the middle of meetings and send people home. These meetings are planned months in advance and we require us (scientists) to lots of reading and writing regarding the proposals. It is not something that can or should be put on hold. Especially since once we review a grant, it does not even go to an advisory committee meeting for 2-3 months for funding.

Also, most of these conferences are not junkets, but it is the currency of the industry. The impact of your work is judged by your peers, many of whom do not have all day to sit around reading papers. The conferences are a point for your peers to see your work and offer input, and most science is advanced by collaborations gained at meetings. Also, for junior people this is especially important because nobody has any idea who you are as of yet.

By the way, my government-funded trip to review grants means flying up the night before, taking the Metro to Chevy Chase or something, and then sitting in a conference room from 8-5 reviewing grants with small breaks. We eat dinner (on our dimes) and then do it for another half-day the next day, then scrambling to the airport to make our flight home. It is not glamorous but keeps science moving.

The weekly morbidity and mortality report has been printed without a break since 1960. It missed it's publication today.

Yeah, government-funded business trips are probably the least glamorous business trips out there.

I avoid them at all costs. They're awful.

Man, the trains aren’t even running on time?

Haven't you heard? Ever since the inauguration no one got sick or died. Thank you, President Trump!

Looks like none of those executive orders mentioned anything about no taxes on tips or overtime.

He's working on a concept of a plan

Also, study sections for grants are required by law to disburse the funding, so this could be months of cluster.

Yeah .. no.

“Bold” leadership = Never giving his decisions a first thought…

The Trump Presidency 2.0
 

I called it

I once worked with a guy whom I asked during trumps first term that if they tried to change things so that he could have a second AND third would he be against it. He said yes.

I asked him during the campaigns this time if they tried to get him a third term would he be against it. He said yes that he would be.

My guess is that in the next month or two they’ll get him to change his mind, like most of the other magas, and he’ll be for it while maybe even suspending the next election or the results being highly cheated because you know, manipulation and projection are powerfully drugs, as we’ve learned.


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I really don't know how guilty he is on each accusation, but there does seem to be a preponderance of bad judgement, so yeah, let's toss him and find someone else.

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I can easily believe Collins will vote against but Mitch is more interesting.

Our military has been in decline for awhile but putting a raging alcoholic moron in charge of it might really make it completely inept.

Raging alcoholic moron who has never run any organization of any real size, much less the entire military.

Mayor Pete is considerably more fit to run the DOD. Could you imagine the MAGA heads exploding if he was the nominee.

Where the hell would they be deports to?

Magaheads "They're indians, so send em to India, duh!"

It's likely just Murkowski getting out ahead of things first so that her no vote isn't seen as consequential. Collins will likely do the same. Then everyone else will fall in line.

I mean, you can’t really. I’m sure the play is just to degrade whatever status they already have. Oh, and to strip their right to vote.

(And if you harass them in the process of rounding up people, oh well!)

Yeah, they definitely have the votes which is why they're OK going public with this. If there were others, they would have gone privately to tell them the votes aren't there and find someone else.

If Dems cared, they should really laser focus on the price of goods. The big Trump promise was lowering the price of eggs on day one and that doesn't seem likely. Same with a bunch of other things, especially with tariffs on the way. Set up your attacks now so that when prices go up, you've drilled it into their heads for years and have data to back it up.

The immigration stuff just isn't going to do much damage as Democrats conceded on that issue under Biden and it just looks disingenuous.

Sounds like Trump is really going to push this to the edge (and maybe over). I did some googling and cannot find any US cassus belli against Greenland/Denmark, but checking out real estate now.

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Denmark/Greenland will offer better/more terms for US influence, mineral rights, defense etc. on Greenland. Taken the win, Donald.


But then, if US offers $800B (twice Denmark's GDP), shouldn't she swallow her pride and take the money for the betterment of her citizens? They don't really care for Greenland anyway ... wonder how much China would offer in a bidding war!

The entire Greenland thing is dumb and a waste of time to even speculate about. It's not happening and they'd be stupid to do it.

It's so funny because none of the people talking about it even know what Greenland really is. They looked at some map and are like "wow it's big, we need it". Just the dumbest people catering toward even dumber people.

They also have no clue what a Mercator Projection map is. Just wait until the find out Greenland isn’t THAT big.

And on Feb 1st he starts a trade war with Canada. And Canada will retaliate.

In 2023, Canada supplied around 60% of the crude oil imported by the United States. This makes Canada the largest foreign supplier of crude oil to the US.

Guess the price of gas won't be going down either.

Still pretty darn big, about 25-30% of US land mass (?) and only 60k people.

... and still full of juicy rare earth metals!

Good that Mitch did the right thing but unfortunately, not good enough.



https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/25/stat...worldwide.html

I like the idea of doing a comprehensive review (cost-benefit, pro-con, aligned with our strategic interest etc.) of all our foreign aid. But I wouldn't just stop the aid immediately. Better to set a timetable for each to be reviewed (e.g. 6 months?), some negotiations, and decision made. IMO do the humanitarian aid but also more the China approach to invest in countries (e.g. new silk road but that also comes with its own issues).

Here's a list that I found. There's 36,377 entries (quite a few are negatives, I think meaning we withdrew aid), the bigger ones ...

FA.gov

• Ukraine at $14B is the biggest by far (think this is the humanitarian part, the weapons are much more)
• Israel next at $3.3B.
• A couple "DOD - Foreign Military Financing (FMF) Program, Payment Waived" for $2.6B (aka, bribes?).
• "Cash Transfer to Government of Jordan" for $770M (aka, bribe?)

This is illegal impoundment.

I sincerely hope you're mocking Trump's lunacy here.

Threatening to go to war with a fellow NATO member isn't something to take lightly, though. NATO members were told to mentally prepare for a war with Russia, but now it sounds like the danger will come from within.

Yes. Denmark/Greenland is ready to give/allow US "more" but not Greenland as 51st state; we should take that as a win.

But it is an interesting thought exercise.

Should Denmark consider 2 x GDP for a territory that they'll lose anyways? Does the will of 60,000 Greenlanders > economic windfall of 6M Danes? I know the realities and the answer of today. Would the answer be different say ... pre-WW I maybe?