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GrantDawg 04-30-2025 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3462652)
You don't think the NFL has good data policies?

Probably. If not, we would have team playbooks everywhere. I will give that Ulbrich probably has been in a yearly class where he is told never to leave his computer unlocked unless he is actively using it. So technically he has some fault, but considering this was in his own secured home it was pretty minor. IDK how the team had fault, because there no chance that league policy doesn't allow coaches to work from home.
Just a FYI, this is far from the only time such a prank has occurred. It happens almost every year to some players with no fines or big headlines. The Falcons are getting slapped because this was Deon's son.

miami_fan 04-30-2025 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3462653)
Probably. If not, we would have team playbooks everywhere. I will give that Ulbrich probably has been in a yearly class where he is told never to leave his computer unlocked unless he is actively using it. So technically he has some fault, but considering this was in his own secured home it was pretty minor. IDK how the team had fault, because there no chance that league policy doesn't allow coaches to work from home.
Just a FYI, this is far from the only time such a prank has occurred. It happens almost every year to some players with no fines or big headlines. The Falcons are getting slapped because this was Deon's son.


Don't forget the whole "recording the whole incident and posting it online" piece. It has happened to multiple players this year but so far, there are no videos and no identification of the culprits. My guess is they only did the video because it was Shedeur. If there is no video, there is probably no identification andthere is probably no punishment.

Ksyrup 04-30-2025 06:20 PM

Yeah, I thought I saw that someone pranked Abdul Carter during the 2nd pick.

miami_fan 04-30-2025 07:09 PM

Props to the friend and his family for him actually being the one who made the prank call and probably posted the video and somehow avoided all the backlash. To use a reference for the old folks, that is some high level Eddie Haskell type work right there.

GrantDawg 05-10-2025 10:00 AM

Congrats Saints. Got that albatross off your neck.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...iscussing-wife

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albionmoonlight 05-10-2025 10:37 AM

Carr: $195,000,000 career earnings
1 playoff start

He won’t make the NFL Hall of Fame. But he has a good shot of getting into the “get that bag” Hall of Fame.

CrimsonFox 05-10-2025 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3463136)
Congrats Saints. Got that albatross off your neck.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...iscussing-wife

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Hellooooooooooooooooo Kirk Cousins!

albionmoonlight 05-10-2025 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3463138)
Hellooooooooooooooooo Kirk Cousins!


As a Saints fan, I have no desire to send assets to Atlanta so Cousins can turn our three-win team into a six-win team.

Play the young guys. Enjoy the top-five pick next draft.

miami_fan 05-10-2025 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3463136)
Congrats Saints. Got that albatross off your neck.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...iscussing-wife

Sent from my SM-S938U using Tapatalk


Even bigger congrats to Kellen Moore. Enjoy what should be your redshirt year as a head coach.

bhlloy 05-10-2025 12:37 PM

Talk about a get out of jail free card for an awful extension. Congrats Saints fans.

RainMaker 05-10-2025 01:19 PM

I was wondering why he would retire with so much money on his contract but I'm guessing he gets paid it and the Saints get cap relief because of the injury?

JonInMiddleGA 05-10-2025 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3463147)
I was wondering why he would retire with so much money on his contract but I'm guessing he gets paid it and the Saints get cap relief because of the injury?


Apparently not

"Per NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, the Saints won't have to pay Carr's $30 million guaranteed salary for the upcoming season and the club won't seek reimbursement for his $10 million roster and signing bonus that was paid in March."

So, yeah, he gave up $25m in order to ... I guess avoid having surgery?

Danny 05-10-2025 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3463149)
Apparently not

"Per NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, the Saints won't have to pay Carr's $30 million guaranteed salary for the upcoming season and the club won't seek reimbursement for his $10 million roster and signing bonus that was paid in March."

So, yeah, he gave up $25m in order to ... I guess avoid having surgery?


This is critical but Carr has seemed to have a pretty fragile ego and has never had to compete for his job. He wants to be the guy. I read insider reports from a former defensive player, that the defense was told to not intercept him during training camp. I dont think he had it in him to actually go out there and compete to actually be the starter.

QuikSand 05-10-2025 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3463139)
I have no desire to send assets to Atlanta so Cousins can turn our three-win team into a six-win team.

Play the young guys. Enjoy the top-five pick next draft.


co-sign, take your medicine, and see where you are

JPhillips 05-10-2025 04:50 PM

Yeah, if this was Detroit with a strong roster but an injury to the QB I think you do whatever you can to compete, but NO isn't going to be good enough even with Cousins.

Danny 05-10-2025 04:53 PM

Shough turns 34 soon, may as well see what he can do

miami_fan 05-10-2025 08:53 PM

I don't know. I listened to Derek Carr talk about the whole Henry Ruggs situation and after that the Gruden situation and how his faith led him to respond in the way he did. If Carr believed the surgery was no guarantee and he had no chance of coming back at his current level, I can see Carr deciding to retire instead of going through surgery, rehab etc. just to get another $30 million. I could be wrong but if that is what he has done, kudos to him.

GrantDawg 05-11-2025 07:51 AM

Saints are setting to pick number 1 next year when who could be the top QB in the draft? Arch Manning. Will there be another number 8 in New Orleans?

Swaggs 05-11-2025 12:44 PM

From everything I have read, there is no guarantee that Arch is in a hurry to turn pro. A lot of people think he will play out his college eligibility. Maybe, if he has favorite landing spot(s), that impacts his decision, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him as QB1 at Texas for the next couple of years.

Atocep 05-11-2025 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3463170)
From everything I have read, there is no guarantee that Arch is in a hurry to turn pro. A lot of people think he will play out his college eligibility. Maybe, if he has favorite landing spot(s), that impacts his decision, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him as QB1 at Texas for the next couple of years.


Yeah his family supposedly loves Sark and is 100% bought in on his QB development.

Ksyrup 05-11-2025 01:12 PM

Carr ended his career tied for 27,933rd place with -9 receiving yards.

Not surprisingly, the bottom of the list is filled with QBs who caught their own batted passes.

Swaggs 05-11-2025 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3463171)
Yeah his family supposedly loves Sark and is 100% bought in on his QB development.


Plus, reports are that he is already making north of $5M per year through his NLI deals (he apparently has national deals with Red Bull, Uber, Vuori, and various card/collectible companies, plus the typical collective and local type of deals).

GrantDawg 05-11-2025 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3463170)
From everything I have read, there is no guarantee that Arch is in a hurry to turn pro. A lot of people think he will play out his college eligibility. Maybe, if he has favorite landing spot(s), that impacts his decision, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him as QB1 at Texas for the next couple of years.

There is also no guarantee he would be the number 1 rated QB in next years draft either, but it is a fun idea of having him go to the team where his grandfather was a star.

Ksyrup 05-14-2025 11:36 AM

I may be alone on this issue, and it's not limited to the NFL, but I find the marketing/TV frenzy around schedule releases to be ridiculous. We already know each team's opponents for the season. And sure, if I'm a season ticket holder or plan on trying to go to a game or two during the season, or even synching up an overseas trip with one of the international games, I'd like to know as soon as possible who is playing when and where. But outside of that, who the fuck cares?

As we get close to Week 1, sure, it will be of some interest to more closely analyze schedules - predicted hardest, easiest, etc., and see if there are any particular runs of easy/hard games for the team you root for. But right now? And to spend an hour or more watching a TV show dedicated to breaking down schedules 4 months before the season begins? Hard pass.

cuervo72 05-14-2025 11:38 AM

Same, and I think I've ranted on this in the past.

(Speaking of rants, I cursed at the TV the other day when the news had another ward of nurses who were all pregnant at the same time. Gee, only have had THAT story about 80 times! Fuckers.*)


* literally, I guess

Honolulu_Blue 05-14-2025 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3463303)
I may be alone on this issue, and it's not limited to the NFL, but I find the marketing/TV frenzy around schedule releases to be ridiculous. We already know each team's opponents for the season. And sure, if I'm a season ticket holder or plan on trying to go to a game or two during the season, or even synching up an overseas trip with one of the international games, I'd like to know as soon as possible who is playing when and where. But outside of that, who the fuck cares?

As we get close to Week 1, sure, it will be of some interest to more closely analyze schedules - predicted hardest, easiest, etc., and see if there are any particular runs of easy/hard games for the team you root for. But right now? And to spend an hour or more watching a TV show dedicated to breaking down schedules 4 months before the season begins? Hard pass.


Yes. It's all nonsense. It went beyond ridiculous when they made a big announcement during the draft in which they simply announced the date the schedule would be announced.

I dislike an announcing of when another announcement will take place.

Passacaglia 05-14-2025 12:48 PM

They teased the release of the schedule a ton during the draft, and I ranted about that, until I realized I was watching multiple days of teams choosing players. So I can see where they are coming from.

Honolulu_Blue 05-14-2025 12:53 PM

Yeah, I fully understand any criticism about the draft and why it's silly to watch it, but I just enjoy it and love it so.

Passacaglia 05-14-2025 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 3463314)
Yeah, I fully understand any criticism about the draft and why it's silly to watch it, but I just enjoy it and love it so.


I'm not saying you're wrong to do it - I love it too - but I get why some exec would think "we can make a show about anything" - there's already the draft, shows about who gets in to the CFP, the NCAA tourney, why not this, right?

sovereignstar v2 05-14-2025 01:50 PM

Sure, but the point was we know who plays who as soon as the previous season ends. The same can’t be said for tourney selections and drafts.

GrantDawg 05-14-2025 02:06 PM

Falcons have 5 Primetime games this year. Yeah, exposure. Boo, having to stay up late. I wish we would have won more, but the season 2 years ago when we had 90% 1pm Sunday games was just perfect. Heck. I get cranky about 4pm games.

Now get off my lawn!

Ksyrup 05-14-2025 02:55 PM

Please, NO SPOILERS!

RainMaker 05-15-2025 03:34 PM

New story about Bears. Takeaway is Caleb Williams' dad is smart to not want his son to play for the Bears. Also the Bears just didn't coach Caleb and he had to ask the general manager during the season if he could hire someone to help him with film study. Clown franchise.

Book - Caleb Williams sought way around going to Chicago Bears - ESPN

albionmoonlight 05-16-2025 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3463325)
Falcons have 5 Primetime games this year. Yeah, exposure. Boo, having to stay up late. I wish we would have won more, but the season 2 years ago when we had 90% 1pm Sunday games was just perfect. Heck. I get cranky about 4pm games.

Now get off my lawn!


100%

Saints have zero primetime games, and my reaction is "I'm gonna watch them lose a lot, but at least I'll be in bed by midnight"

Passacaglia 05-16-2025 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3463384)
Also the Bears just didn't coach Caleb and he had to ask the general manager during the season if he could hire someone to help him with film study.


I'm having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.

RainMaker 05-16-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3463418)
I'm having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.


It's the Chicago Bears and quarterbacks. It actually isn't that surprising. No clue how Ryan Poles wasn't fired for this outside of it being the Bears and they are an incompetent organization.

RainMaker 05-16-2025 03:31 PM

If you're the owner of the Bears and you just added the best QB prospect your franchise has ever had, how could you not be utterly irate at the fact they didn't coach him or care that he developed? I would be so fucking mad.

Passacaglia 05-16-2025 03:41 PM

But why put the blame that high? On a lower level, what OC or QB coach is not sitting and watching film with their QBs? If I'm Ryan Poles, I'm assuming that's happening and that I don't need to make sure.

Bobble 05-16-2025 03:48 PM

How can you not do everything you can for your QB? Especially when that is your specific job. His success is your success.

bhlloy 05-16-2025 04:26 PM

Well, Purdy got paid as expected. In a vacuum my mind still tells me he's overpaid, then you look at the list of top 10 QBs in terms of salary in the league... yeesh.

I'd take Allen and Burrow over him, the rest is an exercise in good timing and agents.

flere-imsaho 05-16-2025 07:09 PM

I think RM's point, with which I would agree, is that it's indicative of an entire organizational culture that lacks accountability, and there's no evidence that the owners have ever really tried to instill it (not surprising, given that none of them have ever held a real job in a real organization).

albionmoonlight 05-16-2025 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3463423)
Well, Purdy got paid as expected. In a vacuum my mind still tells me he's overpaid, then you look at the list of top 10 QBs in terms of salary in the league... yeesh.

I'd take Allen and Burrow over him, the rest is an exercise in good timing and agents.


When you get a guy, you pay him and keep him. As a fan of a team that has been in the quarterback wilderness since Brees retired, I get it. These guys don’t grow on trees and you can’t just assume you’ll grab one in the draft or fall into a Sam Darnold in Minnesota type situation.

bhlloy 05-17-2025 09:43 AM

I just saw something that says Purdy is paid 2m AAV less than Trevor Lawrence, despite the cap going up 24m since then.

On face value, that’s a pretty good indication of the difference between a well run team and the Jags.

albionmoonlight 05-19-2025 08:38 AM



I know "Tom Brady won a lot of football games" is kind of obvious. But sometimes seeing the numbers laid out is still unbelievable.

miami_fan 05-19-2025 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3463421)
But why put the blame that high? On a lower level, what OC or QB coach is not sitting and watching film with their QBs? If I'm Ryan Poles, I'm assuming that's happening and that I don't need to make sure.


Based on everything I have read and heard since the story came out, a player's independent film study is different than the film sessions with the coordinator or position coach. The preferred method is for young players to learn how to do independent film study from the film geek vet at their position or in their position group on the team. Brady credits Bledsoe for helping him with it, Mahomes credits Alex Smith for helping him. Ed Reed was famous for holding group film study for either the Ravens secondary or the Ravens entire defense at his house where he would teach the young guys how to watch film properly. If the plan was for Tyson Bagent to be that guy for the Bears and Caleb, that is ridiculous and is on Ryan Poles. My guess is the Bears signed Case Keenum mainly to fill that role for the Bears this year.

CrimsonFox 05-19-2025 04:04 PM

oooooo the colors!

RainMaker 05-19-2025 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3463421)
But why put the blame that high? On a lower level, what OC or QB coach is not sitting and watching film with their QBs? If I'm Ryan Poles, I'm assuming that's happening and that I don't need to make sure.


He's the guy who hired the coaching staff. Also the guy who stuck with the staff after 2 terrible years when everyone else thought they should start fresh. And this was his 2nd OC after his 1st spectacularly failed.

I guess if I'm drafting the best QB prospect we've ever had, I'd make sure he is getting everything he needs to develop. Just feels like something that wouldn't happen in Kansas City or Philadelphia.

JonInMiddleGA 05-19-2025 07:32 PM

Am I missing where there's been any corroboration to the claims about the film stuff (or anything else really)?

Are we just assuming this is anything other than yet another meddling parent with a desire for 15 minutes of fame?

Cause, frankly, at this point those seem to be at least as common as really bad front offices.

miami_fan 05-20-2025 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3463519)
Am I missing where there's been any corroboration to the claims about the film stuff (or anything else really)?

Are we just assuming this is anything other than yet another meddling parent with a desire for 15 minutes of fame?

Cause, frankly, at this point those seem to be at least as common as really bad front offices.


I'm not sure how and who would be an suitable source for corroboration to the claims of not being told what to watch for when watching film. There have been confirmed reports that veteran players asked Shane Waldron to coach the offense harder a few weeks into the season. The vets also seemed to be ones who requested Waldron's firing.

Inside Bears' frustrations leading up to Waldron's firing

Add in the below comments from Tyson Bagent on the differences between last year's staff and this year's staff, I would say it is more likely than not that what was said about last year's staff was true.

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"The biggest difference that I'm seeing right now is the mixture of Ben and everybody that he brought with him and the way that they are teaching us what we are responsible for on every play, I think has been the biggest difference," Bagent told Kaplan and Ryan McGuffey.

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The emphasis right now is making sure they understand the what and why now rather than the live game application.

"He puts a lot of the focus not necessarily on the defense but what is our job on the play and how perfect can we do that job each and every play," Bagent said. "And it's just very detail-oriented. Everything, all the dots connect.

The stuff with the dad was pretty much an open secret before the combine last year at the latest. I am pretty sure someone actually mentioned the father being a issue on here back then.

Passacaglia 05-21-2025 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3463507)
Based on everything I have read and heard since the story came out, a player's independent film study is different than the film sessions with the coordinator or position coach. The preferred method is for young players to learn how to do independent film study from the film geek vet at their position or in their position group on the team. Brady credits Bledsoe for helping him with it, Mahomes credits Alex Smith for helping him. Ed Reed was famous for holding group film study for either the Ravens secondary or the Ravens entire defense at his house where he would teach the young guys how to watch film properly. If the plan was for Tyson Bagent to be that guy for the Bears and Caleb, that is ridiculous and is on Ryan Poles. My guess is the Bears signed Case Keenum mainly to fill that role for the Bears this year.


So the "allegation" here is that for his independent film study, different from the film sessions with the coordinator or position coach, he was given no guidance? Well that's some bull shit and not really what the articles I read were claiming. And I don't think some seasoned vet needs to be there to teach him how to watch film and who that vet is (honestly, it feels like if you end up with a vet that's super willing to teach your rookie how to watch film, you're just lucky) when it sounds like he's already actually watching film with a coach.


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