For those of you who weren't involved in the first one and/or simply don't remember it because it was so long ago, here is a refresher...FOFC's Greatest Athlete I (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41243&highlight=greatest+athlete).

The basic premise around how the players will be created and how the game will be run is going to be similar. But, I have made some changes which I hope will create greater disparity between athletes and hopefully make the dynasty more exciting and fun. I'll detail the changes and how'll we'll proceed once I know we'll have enough to justify the effort...

Guess I should add some detail to this in case you aren't interested in clicking on the link to see the previous dynasty.

This is a Decathlon competition, where the users will set skill points which will be combined to determine how well they will do in each of the 10 events. Then players will determine how risky to be with throws/jumps in an effort to maximize their score...

If you have questions and don't want to read the old dynasty, just ask.

Definitely in.

Sure.

Oh yeah, the last one was a blast. Count me in. Can't believe that it was 6 1/2 years ago!

This looks cool, I'm in.

Sign me up!

yup I wanna be in!

In!

Sounds good, guess I'll go read the first edition.

Well 8 is a pretty good start...we are about half way from where we were 6.5 years ago...(as PilotMan pointed out...can't believe it's been that long either)...

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some more people to sign up soon. In the meantime...here is the deal

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In the previous version of this dynasty users had 375 points to split between 5 skills...this time there are 750 points and 10 skills...

The skills are:


- Balance
- Speed
- Strength
- Stamina
- Athletic Ability
- Technique
- Explosiveness
- Focus
- Drive
- Flexibility


Each of the 10 events will use a percentage of the skills above to total 100%. The skill points you choose will be multiplied by the percentage each event needs and added together to give you a grade in the event. This grade will correspond to the table that will be used to generate your athlete's potential results (don't worry, all you have to do is assign the points to the skills, I take care of the rest - but thought it might be helpful to understand the process used to create your character). Unlike the previous dynasty where there were 3 grades per event, now there are 5...I haven't yet determined how I am going to split the grades. I'd like to do a typical school split for A,B,C,D,F...but I might have to fudge the percentages a bit to get a good sample...I won't know until I see how things breakdown after applying the skill points...

Each of the 10 skills will be represented 100% across the 10 events...this isn't to say that every skill is referenced in every event, but in totality they will all be referenced the same (i.e. Speed might be 50% of 100m and 50% of hurdles and nothing else).

Boy this seemed so simple until I tried to explain it...

Basically at this point if you want to PM me your skill breakdowns along with Character Name and country I'll start building the player cards. Lets have a minimum of 35 points on a skill and a max of 100...And if you have any questions I'll do my best to clarify...

Also if you haven't signed up and would like to, please do...

In case you aren't familiar with the 10 events in the Decathlon they are:

100 Meters
Long Jump
Shot Put
High Jump
400 Meters

Hurdles
Discus
Pole Vault
Javelin
1500 Meters

Got 4 athletes signed up...

Rob Nielsen - Denmark
Brian Babson - Germany
Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon
David Ginsberg - Israel

still waiting on details for the 4 other entries and still plenty of time to jump into the competition of you are interested...

in

Norway represent!

I had the following PMed to me by someone interested in playing...and I felt it was a good question that should probably go here...

"Just read through the first one, looked like a blast! I noticed there were a lot of injuries and I was wondering if the injury probability has anything to do with ratings or if it was strictly based on choices in the events. Also, will the "A"/"B"/"C" table scoring system from last time be getting used?"

Ok, so I guess the best thing to do here is to breakdown the game mechanics that way it will be easier for you to follow along...(I hope...and given my track record with trying to explain this stuff, probably famous last words)

Think of the game as a spreadsheet. Each event is a column, each outcome is a row. The outcomes are chosen based on a random number (in the orginal game dice are used). This number ranges from 10 - 39, with 10s being 1/6 of the possible results, 20s being 1/3, and 30s being 1/2. The injuries are preset in the table - so the possiblity of injury is present in every event (though never on a safe attempt at a field event), and obviously the more attempts taken the possibility of getting an injury also increases...so in a way - yes the more you try the greater the possibility of getting hurt.

The A,B,C scoring table is now an A,B,C,D,F scoring table - where there is more separation between the top and bottom performers (hopefully, creating a reward penalty situation based on where stats are placed in the 10 skill sets). This time around the athlete card creation is much more refined, as I was able to maintain the statistical weighting originally setup inside the game, rather than completely randomizing the card creation (hopefully this will make the grades earned more important to results)...

Hope that answers your question...

Let me know if you have more...

In.

We are up to 8 fully entered athletes

Brian Babson - Germany
Rob Nielsen - Denmark
Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon
David Ginsberg - Israel
Olaf Gunderson - Norwary
Fox McCloud - Scotland
Kurt Rambus Jr. - USA
Larry McGillicuddy - Ireland

With 3 more that stated they wanted in who we are waiting on stats from.

Still time to jump in if interested...

Kyrgyzstan in the House!

Kyrgyzstan in the House!

Jakshy (Жакшы)

Just need a Swede and we'll have our own little Norse Trifecta.

Kurt Rambus Jr?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are my new favorite person whoever you are.

Kurt Rambus Jr?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are my new favorite person whoever you are.

Heh, that was me.

Got 10 athletes skills entered...of the people who said they wanted to play, we are only waiting on Chesapeake to send in his stats. We still have time for others to jump on board, but once Ches is in, I'll start assigning grades and creating character cards, which will make it much more difficult to get into the dynasty.

The reason for the difficulty is the events are going to "graded" on a curve, which means adding new people after the curve is applied can skew the grades for the other players, forcing me to recreate the character cards. So if you're interested get me your stats ASAP...

Sorry to be the straggler, but I'm in now.

Athletes have been graded, and I'm now in the process of creating the playing cards. We ended up with 12 competitors...and while many took a similar approach to skill point distribution, I think we have a nice spread across the 10 events (though I'll have more tweaks in the v3)...

I have completed 5 cards, and it is a bit time consuming, so don't give up on me. Keep an eye on the thread because we'll probably get this going next week...

All cards have been created, just need some time now to evaluate them so I can do an intro before we begin...

FOFC's Greatest Athlete II



Meet The Athletes

Welcome to the second ***cough*** annual ***cough, cough*** FOFC's Greatest Athlete competition. It should be a good one as we have 12 athletes entered with a wide range of skill sets. We are a bit disappointed that Stan Gunner, who dominated the previous competition isn't here to defend his title, but we are looking forward to a great meet. Before we get started let's take a moment to introduce the contestants....

Rob Nielsen - Denmark - Nielsen is a pretty balanced competitor with good athletic ability and technique, which will carry him through most of the field events. He has only 2 weaknesses...he lacks top end speed and he doesn't hold up well in the distance runs.

Brian Babson - Germany - One of our favorite athlete is back, Babson, who competed last time as an Austrailian, is now a German. The vagabon athlete tends to be forced to swith aligence because he runs out of money in a country and can't get home. This is the 2nd time it has happened with Brian, but he always seems to rebound well. Last time Babson was forced to with draw from the competition due to injury, this time he vows to finish...of course, I'll believe that when I see it. Babson has been working hard at the decathlon and is one of the favorites this time around. He is very fast and athletic and he has refined his technique. The only drawback for Babson is endurance. The former boxer still refusess to do "road work" and therefore he might be forced to sit and catch his breath in the 400, and you can forget about the 1500...that might take a couple of pit stops...

Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon - He was recruited to play basketball at Duke because of his raw potential, but he thought better of it and decided to apply those raw skills to Olympic sports. Now he's the kind of competitor that could run forever and has surprising strength, but does not have the chops to contend in the more technically refined events.

David Ginsberg - Israel - Ginsberg is a fast, athletic athlete that also has the endurance that many of his competitors lack. This should position him to make strong moves at the end of both days. Ginsberg's biggest issue will be staying with the field on the three toss events (shot, discus, javelin)

Olaf Gunderson - Norway - Olaf is one of the more balanced athletes in the field. He has good abilities across the board, but the question is going to be if the lack of a dominating event or events sink his chances. For him to be in the medal hunt he can't afford to have a bad result, because he appears to lack the ability to score big in any one event.

Fox McCloud - Scotland - Fox is another speed demon, but he also has surprising strength and explosiveness, which makes him one of the pre-meet favorites. He like Babson, lacks the endurance necessary to be a factor in the longer runs, and that could come back to haunt him.

Kurt Rambis, Jr. - USA - The lone American in the event, comes to us from an athletic family. Rambis, if he can remember where he needs to be in each event and what he is supposed to do in each event might be a tough competitor. He is strong, fast, athletic...a lot Fox McCloud...but Rambis Jr. Seems to lack some of the intangibles that may cause a problem in the more complicated events (pole vault, high jump, long jump, hurdles)...

Larry McGillicuddy - Ireland - Larry, is an athlete with some top end speed. Plus he can run for distances without running out of steam. He claims that Guinness can do that to a person, and who am I to argue...think I'll add that to my own personal traning regimen. Larry will need to maximize his returns in his strong events because like Ginsberg, he's going to suffer in the toss events...if he can somehow manage to stay in the middle of the pack in those events, he'll have a shot to win it all...

Kurmanbek Ashkayev - Kyrgyzstan - Thank goodness this is a written dynasty and not a real radio report because I wouldn't want to attempt to pronounce this name...and honestly, I'll probably butcher it every time I don't cut and paste...regardless, Ashkayev is arguably the best balanced of all the athletes. He has good ability across the board, but no real area where he dominates. He will probably make a move on the scoreboard at the end of each day due to good endurance.

David Gonzalez - France - The former Mexican competitor is back with a new home...France. Gonzalez is one of the two returners...and another that was forced to withdraw due to injury. Gonzalez like Babson says he'll finish this time, but it is hard to believe that David has gotten tougher living in France then when he was fleeing boarder patrol in Mexico. Gonzalez is another balanced athlete...but he lacks explosiveness which may end up hindering him at some point.

Gryffydd Llyw - Wales - And I though Ashkayev was going to be tough to pronounce...Gryffydd also has taken the position that it is better to be good in everything than great at any one thing. He has a bunch of natural athletic ability that allows him to maximize his results that may ultimately carry him to the medal platform. The one area of worry for Llyw is the 100 Meters. He needs to be quick out of the block to make up for lack of top end speed...

Frank Justice - England - Justice also leans on his athletic ability to help him compete, he also leverages his technique and strength to make himself very though in the field events. He isn't a great sprinter, and like Llyw will want to get a good start in the 100 meters to overcome that weakness.

Nielsen, through a translator, because he is too pure of a Viking to demean himself by speaking English, is already making claims of media bias. Where's the glowing reviews of Nielsen's perfect Norse physique? Where's the report of the throng of hot Danish women who follow this perfect physical specimen wherever he goes?

Bah, jumping for rebounds is a poor substitute for boxing out. Stay on the ground and keep those ankles safe, that's the Rambis strategy.

Hey, a guy can be excused for not having the endurance of his youth after a full career of boxing, golf, and so on. Babson is still gonna put on a clinic if he can figure out where the events are. And if he feels like trying (gotta worry a bit more about looking for loose change so he can get out of the country).

Hey, a guy can be excused for not having the endurance of his youth after a full career of boxing, golf, and so on. Babson is still gonna put on a clinic if he can figure out where the events are. And if he feels like trying (gotta worry a bit more about looking for loose change so he can get out of the country).


Meet you at the puking hole after the 10th lap!

Olaf is a fish eating Norwegian not a meatball eating Swede!

The Cameroonians will just be hoping that Duke basketball wasn't Jawouk's better alternative when this is said and done.

Information Correction

Olaf Gunderson hails from Norway, not Sweden as was originally reported during the event preview. That has been corrected and the sports information director for the FOFC Games has been fired without pay as a result of his stupidity. Word is he's talked to Babson about how to survive in a country where you don't speak the language but you are stranded and can't get home.

It's good to be an expert in a field.

Event 1 - 100 Meter - Preview

The Event Favorites
Ginsberg, Babson, McCloud, Bafou, McGillicuddy

The Event Underdogs
Nielsen, Llyw, Justice, Gunderson, Gonzalez

Event 1 - 100 Meter - Card Review

Babson - Babson has a nice card with mostly results falling in the 10.45 to 10.55 range. There is a concerning 10.65 on a high probability roll of 37 and a 10.6 on the 24. The beset he can do is a 10.2, but it would take a lucky 29. Projection - 10.45

Ginsberg - This card is potentially the best in the event. The high probably 8 of the 10 high probability rolls are all 10.45 or lower...the 2 that aren't are a 10.7 on 30 (lower probability for a roll in the 30s) and an alarming 10.8 on the 38. A roll of 38 would be a killer here as Ginsberg needs to take advantage of his strong card. Projection - 10.4

Nielsen - Not a good event for the ravishing Dane...the best he can possibly do is a 10.75, but it is on a relatively attainable roll of 31. Most results appear to be around 11.15, but I hope he does better so we can see his female entourage jump up and down in support and excitement... Projection - 11.15

McCloud - McCloud's got a solid card...with an amazing 10.15 possibility, but it is on the next to impossible roll of 18...most results appear to be around 10:45 with the worst a 10.75 - Projection 10.45

Llyw - Llyw has a wide range of potential outcomes...best is a 10.65 that appears in a couple of good spots, 25 & 37, but there are some horrible results like an 11.6 with appears twice 23 & 39. This could really be a make or break event for Llyw...his low roll will put him in a prime spot to get a medal, a bad roll might eliminate his chances right out of the gate. I expect something in the middle - Projection - 10.95

Rambis - Rambis got a good draw on his card...though he was a middle of the pack performer in this event, during creation he got a very respectible 10.5 and 10.55 on the most common rolls in the game. Most of the rest of the card are about what you'd expect, with results in the upper 10s. - Projection 10.80

Justice - Justice isn't going to be very good in this event. He has no low results, the best he can hope for is an upper 10 result. Projection - 11.05

Bafou - the former basketball player is able to go when he needs too, probably from running all those suicides for Coach K. Regardless the reason, he could outright win this event. He has 10 rolls that are sub 10.4...the worst appears to be a 10.8. Projection 10.45

McGillicuddy - very similar card to Bafou, but lacking the number of sub 10.4s. Though he does have a few sub 10.2s...that could make a huge impact in scoring if they were rolled. Projection 10.45

Ashkayev - Another one of the big swing cards...the result here could be anywhere from mid 10.5s to the low 11s...in fact on the highest probabilty rolls he has 10.55, 10.85, 10.6, 10.85...that alone is a big swing...Projection - 10.8

Gunderson - For an underdog in this event Gunderson actually got some good breaks in card creation. He hs a nice 10.65 on a roll of 36, plus 2 more in the 10.6s in the low 30 rolls. However, the card is still created from the lower performers in the event and there are some potentially ugly outcomes in prime spots as well. Projection - 10.95

Gonzalez - this card was made from the same pool as Gunderson, but it lacks the number of score board change rolls in the 10.6s. There are a few, but mostly this card is an upper 10s lower 11s result. There are some very ugly mid 11s that need to be avoided - Projection - 10.95

Note: the "Projections" are quick calculation from eyeballing the card and knowing the basic probabilities of each outcome, and selecting what appears to be the most common

Got to hope Gonzalez can pull a miracle mid table result.

Danes are not sprinters. People sprint away from us in terror, or, in the case of ladies, they sprint towards us in lust.

Come on 29!

Also, what is the chance the rest of the decathlon is delayed a day due to adverse weather conditions? Babson will need a little break after this to catch his breath and look for spare change.

Don't understand the card/scoring system but I don't really need to I thinik :)

Come on Fox! Run those speedy legs of yours!

Don't understand the card/scoring system but I don't really need to I thinik :)

Come on Fox! Run those speedy legs of yours!

You don't need to know them...but I'll give you details if you'd like....

Basically...the game orginally used some custom dice that rolled results between 10 - 39. Rolls in the 10s happen about 1/6th of the time, the
20s 1/3rd of the time, and the 30's half the time.

The singles place occurs basically in a standard bell curve with the 4 and 5 rolls being most common...the 0 and 8s are the same, the 1s and 7, 2&6, the 3 is more than the 2 and 6 but not as much as the 4 and 5, and the 9 roll is the least common of all...

hope that helps some...

Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 1

In the first heat we have Babson, Ginsberg, Nielsen, McCloud, Llyw, and Rambus...

This race is really a case of the haves and have nots...the haves...have speed and the have nots don't. We expect Babson, Ginsberg and McCloud to pull away early and just continue to separate...

The are in the blocks and....
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"runners take your mark...."

BANG

Gun goes off and as expected the sprinters are out quickly...Babson has an early half step lead with McCould and Ginsberg right on his hip...Rambus and Llyw are neck and neck with Nielsen trying to stay in contact...

At the half way point Babson is starting to stretch his lead...and Rambus is beginning to pull away from Llwy...

As they approach the line Babson is flying and he continues to open his lead...this is looking like an incredible time...Ginsberg and McCloud are still stride for stride too tough to call a leader. Rambus has opened a couple step lead on Llyw for 4th and Nielsen has slipped further back...

At the line it's Babson...

Still too close to call on the McCloud/Ginsberg spot...

Rambus is 4th, followed by Llyw and Nielsen...

We will wait for the official times. Remember in the Decathlon while it is nice to win an event or heat, it is all about how you score - so it will be interesting to see who is happy with their results and who isn't...

Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 1 - Official Results

The official results are in...



Babson - 10.25
Ginsberg - 10.50
McCloud - 10.50
Rambus - 10.75
Llyw - 10.95
Nielsen - 11.15

Let's go Gunderson!! Vikings certainly aren't known for their speed, but you have to beat Nielsen at least.

Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 2

The runners are stretching out waiting on their signal to get into the blocks...

In this heat we expect Bafou and McGillicuddy to pull out to an early lead with Ashkayev falling in the middle between the 2 sprinters and the 3 non-sprinters...Gonzalez, Gunderson, and Justice...

The runners and in the blocks...

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And they are off...

Ashkayev is out of the blocks extremely quickly grabbing an early lead with McGillicuddy next and Bafou only a half step behind. The remaining 3 runners are already trailing the pack...

At the midway point Ashkayev is holding on to the lead, but McGilly and Bafou are closing...in the back Justice is starting to fade behind the Gonzalez and Gunderson pair...

As we approach the line McGilly has passed Ashkayev and Bafou is neck and neck with him....

With the also rans, Gunderson looks to be establishing himself as the best of the rest...

At the line it is McGillicuddy, Bafou and Ashkayev...followed by Gunderson, Gonzalez and Justice...

Official times coming up...

Feh. Norway by all respects should still be part of Greater Denmark. Nielsen will bear no ill will to a fellow Dane performing well.

...so long as you pay homage to your proper monarch.

Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 2 - Official Results


McGillicuddy - 10.40
Bafou - 10.45
Ashkayev - 10.55
Gunderson - 10.95
Gonzalez - 11.05
Justice - 11.15

You were spot on with your prediction for Llyw.

And Bafou. Hoping that Babson wears down over the course of the day.

If nothing else goes his way, Babson may at least be able to set up a sneaker endorsement to get the heck outta Berlin.

Uh-Oh. I thought Rambis Jr. would be at least a top-3 guy in that one. :eek:

Leaderboard After - After 1 Event


Babson - 1035
McGillicuddy - 999
Bafou - 987
Ginsberg - 975
McCloud - 975
Ashkayev - 963
Rambus - 917
Llyw - 872
Gunderson - 872
Gonzalez - 850
Justice - 827
Nielsen - 827

Event 1 - 100 Meter - Recap

So at the end of the first event, who were the big winners and losers...

Winners

Ashkayev - Overall, he may have finished dead middle in the standings, and actually by grade he should have finished 6th or 7th, but what makes him a winner in this event is the fact that he only finished .05 seconds behind the sprinters...which is 12 points. For a point of reference, Rambus' card was designed from the same table checks but he ran a much more typical time (as you can see from the projections).

Babson - Yes Babson was supposed to do well in this event, as he came in with a high B grade...but for him to out-perform the entire field the way he did was big. Plus he earned well over 1000 points in a single event. This result will carry him for a while. It will remain to be seen if it can carry him through his weaknesses though.


Losers

Ginsberg - While a 10.5 isn't a bad result, and it is only .1 from his projection, Ginsberg is a loser in this event partly because Babson posted the extremely fast 10.25...and partly because he was the only "A" grade coming in, and yet he tied for 4th. Basically every B grade either beat or tied him, thus losing some advantage to the field. The performance isn't a crushing one, but this would have been an area were he could have opened a lead with a nice roll...



Everyone else performed about how they were expected to. Next event is the Long Jump...This event will require some strategic decisions on your part, but first I'll need to get you breakdowns of the events by jump style (safe, average, all out), so you can make an informed decision...

Event 2 - Long Jump - Preview

In this event the spread between best and worst is much smaller as there are no extremes on either end...so just because an athlete is listed in the favorites or underdogs list, doesn't mean they can't end up on the opposite end of the standings when all is said a done. This could be a real swing event due to the tighness of the cards.

The Event Favorites
Babson, Nielsen, McCloud

The Event Underdogs
Rambis, Bafou, Ashkayev, Gonzalez

EVENT 2 - Long Jump - Result Specifics

Chances of Occurance

Conservative
Fouls - 0%
Injuries - 0%

Normal
Fouls - 29.17%
Injuries - 2.31%

Aggressive
Fouls - 58.33%
Injuries - 4.63%

NOTE: Any roll that results in an injury also results in a foul.

Event 2 - Long Jump - Card Review

Babson
Safe - Best outcome here appears to be a 24'6" result (on 38), there are 4 more results in the 24' range but
they are on hard to get rolls of 16, 18, 19, 20...Low end appears be be in the low 21s and there is one of those on 37 and 32. Most likely outcome in this column appears to be in the low 23' range
Ave - Top end is 25'6" on a very attainable 25 role. Plus two 25' results on 39 & 31. Low end looks like a 22' 2" result on 22. Most likely outcome in this range mid 24'.
All Out - As good at teh first two columns looked, this one leave a bit to be desired. There are some great oucomes, including 26' on 10, 25'10", 25'8" on 28 and 29. But there are several low rolls, I count 7 results that are sub 24'...this is truly a boom or bust column. Most likely outcome...??? (too varied to say)


Ginsberg
Safe - Ginsberg got a bad break on card creation in this column. He has a couple of pretty pathetic tosses on the most highly probable rolls. A 21'1 on 32, a 21'3" on 34, and a 21'2 on 35. The best appears to be a 24'5 on 28. The rolls in the 30 (half of the chances) are mostly populated with low 21s and mid to low 23s. The lower probability rolls appear to be better...22'+. Most probable outcome - low 21'
Ave - This column is much more stable as most of the outcomes are upper 23's and lower 24s. High appears to be 24'6", low is 22'7"...Most likely outcome is upper 23s
All Out - There are some good results here...a 25'3" on 22, a 24'10" on 29, and a couple of 24'10"+ results in the teens. Low appears to be 22'3". Most likely outcome low 23s


Nielsen
Safe - Here is another bad break in card creation. Though Nielsen's card is created from one of the better tables, He ended up on the short end of most of the column checks here. Low end is 20'5 on 24 and another 20' result sits on 23 (both are highly likely results). High end is in the mid 24s and it looks like there are only 3 in the entire column. Most likely result is probably in the mid 22s
Ave - This is actually a very good column. It may lack some real high end results, but other than a 21'6" result on 38 and a 22'3" on 37, most of the rest of the outcomes appear to be in the 24' range. Most likely outcome mid to upper 24s
All Out - This column has some 25'6"+ results but also has several in the 22' range as well...a classic risk/reward chance here. Most likely outcome - ???


McCloud
Safe - Poor results in the 21' rand on 32, 34, 35, and 39 plus a low 22' on 32 and 36. Not many good rolls in this column though there is a 24'$" on 28. Most likely outcome mid 21s
Ave - Some very nice results here...a strong 25'2" on 36, and a 24'7" on 31. Plus several in the mid 24s and 25s on rolls in the mid 20s. Low end is in the upper 21s. Most likely outcome Mid to upper 24s
All Out - Got 7 results greater than 25' in this column, but as ususal there are several in the mid 23s...Most likely result low 25s.


Llwy
Safe - low results on the high probably rolls. high appears to be a 24'3" result on 23, lows are in the upper 20s. Most likely outcome High 21s
Ave - The results here are almost all between the low 23s and mid 24s. Most likely result - low 24s
All Out - Nice 25'3' result on 22...a couple other greater than 25 in the teens. A bunch of 23' results...Most likely result ???


Rambis
Safe - Absolutely awful results on the most common rolls of 33, 34 and 35...nothing better than a 20'11" and as bad as a 19'2" result on 34...there are quite a few low 20s and a couple other 19s here. High appears to be in the 23s. Most likely outcome is low 21s
Ave - Outcomes range from upper 20s to lower 24s and they are all over the map. Most likely result appears to be upper 22s to lower 23s
All Out - Well it was mentioned that Rambis was an undog in this event...and while I said that because of the tight bunching in the card creation their might be a chance for someone to make a move...this column doesn't help his chances much...best outcome is a 24'8" result on 10 (second hardest roll to get in the game). Most of this column sits in the 22s. Most likely outcome is mid 22s.


Justice
Safe - Similar to many other cards above with the poor rolls in the mid 30s, but most results in the mid 22s to low 23s. Does have anice 24+ on 27. Most likely result is mid 22s
Ave - a bunch of low 24s here. Low end is in the 22s but that is rare. Most likely outcome is low 24s.
All Out - got a couple 25' results, 22 & 11...a few high 24s and rest are in the 22 and 23 range with 2 21' outcomes. Most likely result upper 22s to lower 23s


Bafou
Safe - Another card with some 19' results. High in this column is in the low 23s. Most likely outcome is in the Upper 20s
Ave - I coun 3 24'+ results...low is 21'9" on 17...Most likely result is mid 22s
All Out - I count 4 results in the mid 24s...most would take a roll in the teens. Low end is 20'9". Most likely result is in the mid to upper 22s


McGillicudy
Safe - Mid 30s aren't good upper 21s, some other low results in the upper 20s to low 21s spread around. High is a 24'7" result on pretty good numbers (27 & 32), another plus 24' result on 23...Most likely result upper 21s to mid 22s
Ave - almost all 23' to 24' results...most likely is low 24s
All Out - got the nice 25'2" result on 22 (may have seen this a couple of time earlier), plus a 25' on 10, and a 25'4" on 13. the rest of the results spread pretty evenly between mid to upper 22s, mid 23s and mid to low 24s...Most likely - ???


Ashkayev
Safe - pretty even spread between the upper 21s, through the 22s - only 1 23+ outcome on the roll of 36. Most likely result is lower to mid 22s
Ave - with the exception of the 20'9" on 21...everything is basically beween 23' and 24'4" (with a couple of rolls in the low 22s). Most likely result is low to mid 23s
All Out - a couple of 24'+ plus results on decent rolls of 20 and 21 plus 10 and 11. The rest of the card is basically 23' or lower. Most likely outcome is mid to low 22s.


Gunderson
Safe - poor rolls on the high probably outcomes of 34, 35, and 36...all 21'11" or shorter...but most of the rest of the card in this column is pretty good. A lot of 23'+ results, and it looks like 3 results greater than 24'. Most likely outcome is low 23s
Ave - This column is slightly better than the last because ther are more high 23s and mid to low 24' outcomes. and some are in better locations, like 24'+ on 13, 19 (not so great), 21, 25 (really good), 27, 29, 31....Low end is 22'3" on 39. Most likely outcome is upper 23s to lower 24s
All Out - This is a better all our column than most of the players that weren't mentioned as favorites. Not as many 21' and lower 22' results. There are quite a few in the low 23s..but there are also 5 24'6"+ results...High looks like 25'3"...Most likely result is ???


Gonzalez
Safe - terrible 19"4" result on 37...no great oucomes here...best appears to be in the low 22s...most likely outcome is upper 20s to low 21s
Ave - This actually isn't that bad a column for an underdog card...most result here are in the low to mid 23s...Not really a chance to get a long throw as the long appears to be 24'. But there are 12 results greater than 23'. Still have trash results in the 21' range...most likely outcome is mid 23s
All Out - Not a tone here to work with. Do have a 24'8" result on 10, 25' on 11 and a 24'6" result on 22...but most of the column is mid to lower 22s. most likely outcome is mid 22s to low 23s

Note: The most likely outcomes assume that there will be no injury or fault...they are outcomes for successful attempts. Also just because there is a most likely outcome listed doesn't mean that the roll can't return a significantly different result...so don't let the most likely reference overly impact your selection of the type of attempt you wish to make.

If you feel you don't have enough information to make a decision on how you want to proceed just let me know and I'll work with you to provide what you need. Also be aware that I will keep an eye on your result and will let you know if you have maxed out or are close to maxing out in a column or in totality so you won't waste time making unnecessary jumpts

Ground Rules

I probably should have done this earlier, but a few ground rules that you need to keep in mind (yes I'm going to once again attempt to explain this and will probably confuse the hell out you).

The game has a fatigue penalty that is built in. For fatigue in the orginal game, everything revolved around how many high jump attempts in Day 1, and pole vault attempts in day 2 were taken (and we'll get into how that event works when we roll around to it, but basically you choose your starting height and when to pass and jump to maximize your result and minimize your attempts). I felt that was stupid and modified the rules such that there is a number of attempts in all field events that will trigger the fatigue factor. So saving an attempt in LJ is equal to an attempt in High Jump and Shot, etc. The only difference is LJ, Shot, Discus, Javelin all have a set 3 attepts where High Jump and Pole Vault you go as long as you want until you miss 3 times.

The original game allowed 7 high jump attempts before fatigue set in...I have also modified that figured to take into account each player's endurance. So I can't tell you how many you have, but I can tell you that if you have low endurance ratings you may want to save some attempts to save some energy.

Does this make sense? If not please let me know, because it could be critical in your decision making and have a significant impact on the final results...

Event 2 - Long Jump

In this event every athlete will be allowed 3 jumps (you can take fewer as explained above). What I need from each of you is a declaration of how you wish to do the first attempt - Safe, Average, or Allout

There really is no strategic disadvantage to announcing your style here...but if you prefer you can PM me how you want to proceed.

Edit. Heh. Answered.

Nielsen Springe 1: Alle Ud.

Translator says: Jump 1, All Out

Babson - Safe

Figured out my own question.

Bafou's first two jumps - Safe, Normal

I'll go with an average as that seems best for me, David Ginsberg.

Guys quick request...when you make your declaration...please include your character's name...just saves me from looking it up...

Llyw Jump 1 - Average

Ashkayev All out for jump 1

Gunderson will go all out for jump 1.

McGillicuddy - All out.

Kurt Rambis Jr. will go average until he jumps a 22' 6 or better, then conserve his energy. And he would also like to attempt to drop marbles out of his pocket onto the takeoff area without any judges noticing.

McCloud NOrmal

Nielsen Springe 1: Alle Ud.

Translator says: Jump 1, All Out

grine højlydt

Ground Rules

I probably should have done this earlier, but a few ground rules that you need to keep in mind (yes I'm going to once again attempt to explain this and will probably confuse the hell out you).

The game has a fatigue penalty that is built in. For fatigue in the orginal game, everything revolved around how many high jump attempts in Day 1, and pole vault attempts in day 2 were taken (and we'll get into how that event works when we roll around to it, but basically you choose your starting height and when to pass and jump to maximize your result and minimize your attempts). I felt that was stupid and modified the rules such that there is a number of attempts in all field events that will trigger the fatigue factor. So saving an attempt in LJ is equal to an attempt in High Jump and Shot, etc. The only difference is LJ, Shot, Discus, Javelin all have a set 3 attepts where High Jump and Pole Vault you go as long as you want until you miss 3 times.

The original game allowed 7 high jump attempts before fatigue set in...I have also modified that figured to take into account each player's endurance. So I can't tell you how many you have, but I can tell you that if you have low endurance ratings you may want to save some attempts to save some energy.

Does this make sense? If not please let me know, because it could be critical in your decision making and have a significant impact on the final results...

save some energy for other events? for the next day?

are all these on the same day? separate days?

Frank Justice - All Out

David Gonzalez - Normal all the way

Woo! 12/12!

Woo! 12/12!

And now we can see who's who :)

save some energy for other events? for the next day?

are all these on the same day? separate days?

Yeah, the is event is held over 2 days...

Day 1.

100 meters
long jump
shot put
high jump
400 mters


Day 2

hurdles
discus
pole vault
javelin
1500 meters


so any attempts you save can preserve your stamina for a following event...

make sense?

yup! :)

Event 2 - Long Jump - 1st Attempts

Babson - Brian takes off down the runway...he's using that same acceleration that won the 100 meters...but as he approaches the board he chops his steps, loses his speed and only jumps 21' 3". Not a good result at all for Babson.

Ginsberg - Ginsberg starts off and he begins to pick up speed...he has a nice take off...and lands in the pit at 23' 1" A solid first attempt, but a ton of better results still available on the card.

Nielsen - The Dane starts his approach...he stomps on the board and launches himself high and out...clearly putting everything he has into this attempt. He lands in the pit and screems some sort of war cry. His entourage is...........sorry where was I...oh yeah, he's pumped by his jump, but when he looks back the white flag is up. His toe was over the line...Foul

McCloud - McCloud, clearly distracted by the antics of Nielsen...never seems to hit his stride and ends up walking through the jump attempt as his steps were way off - Foul

Llyw - Llyw take a nice focused approach in his attempt and he is rewarded with a jump of 24' 2". I count 6 better results in the average column, 5 of which are in the teens and the 6th is on 21. In the all out column, there are also 6 better results...again most in the teens, but also on 22 and 29.

Rambis - Rambis doesn't get a good take off and only manages to go 20' 9". While Rambis might not be great in this event, this isn't a good result even for him

Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised...Foul.

Bafou - This should be interesting...Bafou has good speed, but it doesn't translate to good jumping...there is something wrong in his technique. He speeds down the runway, hits the block, it a clean jump, and an ugly one. Arms and legs are flapping around but not in a streamlined, classic approach, rather it is almost like flailing...he lands and is measured at 20' 6". Like Rambis, Bafou isn't good at this event, but this is still a poor result

McGillicuddy - Fails to take advantage of the overall poor performance by the preceeding competitors as his toe is over the tip of the board - Foul

Ashkayev - Steps are off and he is half a foot over the board on take off. He knew it so he pulled up on the jump rather than extend himself and risk injury - Foul

Gunderson - looks ok on this jump and gets a good score to build on - 22' 9". As you can tell from the write up above, this isn't really a great result. When the low in the average column is 22' 3" and this is only 6" longer, that should indicate there are more points available

Gonzalez - Runs down on his approach. He hit the board cleanly and perfectly and he launches himself into the pit. For someone that isn't supposed to be strong in this event it appears he has posted a good result here. The officials measure the the jump distance is announced at 23' 7". Looking at the average column there appear to be only 3 better results and they are on 12 (low probability), 25 (decent probability but the result is 23' 8", and 29 (decent probability). The max on the column appears to be 24' on the 29. In the all out column there are 3 results better. A couple of good jumps on 10 and 11 and a 24' 6" on 22

Event 2 - Long Jump - Leaderboard





Llyw - 24' 2"
Gonzalez - 23' 7"
Ginsberg - 23' 1"
Gunderson - 22' 9"
Babson - 21' 2"
Rambis - 20' 9"
Bafou - 20' 6"
Nielsen - -
McCloud - -
Justice - -
McGillicuddy - -
Ashkayev - -

Nice work guys...I need you to declare how you want to do the second jump. I have some that were given previously, and if I don't hear from you I'll use those, but sometimes knowing where you stand may make a big difference in your approach, so I'll give you chance to change your instructions...

I also attempted to give the players that had a successful attempt a sense of where they stand compared to their card (or if we were in real life, an idea of how you should feel based on your history and practice)...if you want more information, let me know...

McCloud - Normal....sheesh. *grumblegrumblegrumblestupiddice*

Babson - Safe

Again.

With a good jump under my belt, I'll put the pedal to the medal and go all out on this one.

Average this time.

Gunderson is All Out again. The Viking can do better than that.

Rambis average again.

Gonzalez will pass on round 2 if he can still be eligible for a round 3 jump.

If that is not how it works, he'll go all out round 2

Gonzalez will pass on round 2 if he can still be eligible for a round 3 jump.

If that is not how it works, he'll go all out round 2

You can pass in round 2 and jump in round 3...not an issue...

Ashkayev to go safe in jump 2

Got quite a few quick responses...just waiting on 4 more...

Ginsberg
McGillicuddy
Justice
Bafou

...will be able to post results shortly after everyone reports in...

Got quite a few quick responses....


...because we're awesome.

...because we're awesome.

Yes, yes you are...

Normal for Bafou.

David Ginsberg will go with an average again.

Frank Justice - Average

Normal

Event 2 - Long Jump - 2nd Attempts

Babson - Babson looking to improve on his first jump appears to be approaching this one in much the same way...get his speed up...but like last time he chops his steps again to make sure he gets a clean jump. This time his chopping isn't quite as bad but he jumped a bit earlier costing him some distance. This jump is better though as he lands at 23' 4". Babson has a difficult decision now. The 23' 4" result, while not bad, clearly doesn't maximize his potential in this event. In fact, when looking at the normal column, there only appear to be 5 jumps that are worse...the rest are better and some significantly better. However, Babson also has to think about conserving energy because stamina can become a problem for him. So the question here is...do you try to maximize an event you are strong in, or save energy for one you aren't

Ginsberg - Ginsberg again has a nice takeoff...his form looks good and jump seems to be a bit better. After the official measurement he has improved, Jump is recorded as 23' 7". I count 9 better results in the average column, and 6 in the allout column (though the ones in allout are typically on lower probability rolls)

Nielsen - It is obvious from the moment Nielsen takes off down the runway that this will be a more controlled attempt. Unfortunately it doesn't help as the toe is again over the board, word is this focused warrior is considering cutting the toe off before the next attempt so it doesn't happen again...Foul.Tough decision here...Nielsen is one of the best in this event, but he comes into his final jump with no score. A conservative jump will insure he gets points, but unless he gets a lucky roll he'll most likely get around a 22' result which would only put him middle of the pack in the at best. If he goes normal he could still win the event, but he risks walking away with no score in the event (think Dan O'Brien in the Pole Vault of the US Olympic Trials), and if he goes all out he's very likely to not score at all seeing as how almost 60% of results in that column are a foul

McCloud - McCloud, In his second attempt McCloud doesn't appear to change anything...he launches himself into the pit...lands and quickly looks back at the official...no flag raised the jump is clean, but it isn't good - 21' 10" Another top performer in the event that is struggling badly...a 21'10", regardless of what happens with everyone else is going to be bottom of the standings if the last jump doesn't improve.

Llyw - Llyw clearly pleased with his first result, Llyw has picked up the effort on the second jump and he has launched himself deep into the pit...this a big jump and clearly longer than the first. The length is reported as 25' 3". I don't see a better result on the card...it appears Llyw has maxed out.

Rambis - Rambis' first attempt was poor, and he's hoping to improve on it this time around...he looks much better from launch to land and he records a better jump of 23' 5"[b]. I only count 3 better results in the Average column and 1 in the allout column

[b]Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised - again. And Justice will join Nielsen as athletes with a big decision to make...FoulGot the same situation as Nielsen, only difference is that Justice isn't expected to be at the top of the standing, but rather in the middle, so a poor 3rd attempt won't impact his overall score as dramatically as it would for Nielsen .

Bafou - Still a very ugly looking jump, but this one ends in a much better result...22' 7". 6 better results in average, 5 in allout...better odds on average, some bigger results in allout

McGillicuddy - Sticking with his guns and feeling that his first fault was an aberation, McGilly goes again with his same solid approach. Not looking to over extend, but not willing to baby the jump, he hits the board perfectly and launches himself...his jump is measured at 24'This is a pretty good jump and a nice score to build on (if you plan to jump again)...but you have 14 better results in the average column and 7 in the allout

Ashkayev - Trying to make sure he gets a score, Ashkayev goes much more conservative and is even looking at the board when he launches rather than keeping his head up. He gets a score, but he probably won't like it...20' 11".About half the results in the conservative column are better, almost everything in the average is better and the allout is mostly better...

Gunderson - Gunderson continues to go hard in this event, and this time he is overly aggressive and misses the launch point - Foul. Still most results on the card in the average column are better than his current score, and there are better results in the allout column too (Shoot, there are better results in the safe jump column)

Gonzalez - Elected to pass his second jump...

Event 2 - Long Jump - Standings After 2 Jumps




Llyw - 25' 3"
McGillicuddy - 24'
Gonzalez - 23' 7"
Ginsberg - 23' 7"
Rambis - 23' 5"
Babson - 23' 4"
Gunderson - 22' 9"
Bafou - 22' 7"
McCloud - 21' 10"
Ashkayev - 20' 11"
Nielsen - -
Justice - -

Mother fuck.

McGillicuddy - Normal

Mother fuck.

Wow...Danish swearing sounds very similar to English...

Amazing, isn't it!

Bummer, that was the kind of result I wanted for Babson on jump 1.

Babson will go Average for the third jump.

Nielsen will rock Average again. And bribe the officials to look the other way in case of fouls.

sigh...mccloud will go average again

Mother fuck.

times zwei

ashkayev goes normal

All out for Bafou.

I'll go average with David Ginsberg again.

Showmanship, George. When you hit that high note, you say goodnight and walk off.

Llyw will catch you all at the next event.

Rambis is thrilled with his decent jump and will pass on his third.

Frank Justice - Safe

Gonzalez will sit out again.

Normal for Gunderson for jump 3

After my jump, I throw hot coals on the runway. (wearing gloves of course)

Event 2 - Long Jump - 3rd Attempts

Babson - Now that Babson has a decent number on the board, he is putting a little more effort into his final jump...he gets his speed up, hits the board and flies down the pit...this one is clearly going to be better than the last. In fact, he is out close to the leader Llyw...the final measurement is 24' 10". This result was about dead middle of all the potential outcomes in the average column

Ginsberg - Ginsberg elects to give it another shot, hoping to improve on his current 23' 7" result. He get's his speed up down the runway...hits the launch board and jumps into the pit...this one is clearly his best effort yet...final result 24' 3". There were a couple of results a couple inches further, but nothing significantly better...in that column...

Nielsen - Living up to his heritage, Nielsen is refusing to give in and simply record a score. He isn't foolishing attacking the board, but he is giving it a solid effort...he hit the board...and I don't see a flag go up...he get good lift and lands what appears to be just short of Babson's jump. Not his best effort but a very good one under the circumstances.24' 7".Rolled a 36...a scratch in the average column exists on 32-35...

McCloud - So the first two favorites in this event came up with big jumps when they needed too, which only serves to add more pressure on McCloud. But the Big Scot refuses to give in...giving his final jump a concerted effort...he hits the block and gets a gigantic jump...perfect form and the leap is extremely successful...he will even be close to taking the outright lead in the event...I can't tell from the mark we'll have to wait for the measurement................ - 25' 2" Not a max out, but not a ton of better results available either

Llyw - After his huge attempt in his last jump that matched a personal best, Llyw elects to pass knowing he probably won't improve...and preferring to save his energy...

Rambis - Rambis, knowing this event isn't one of his strengths, and pretty pleased with is previous attempt of 23' 5" elects to pass.

Justice - Justice, clearly in a tough spot, looking at a 3rd jump with no current score in the event, elects to approach his final attempt more conservatively...and he successfully completes the jump...no white flag this time... and considering the pressure of the jump it ends up being a good one...23' 10"All and all a very lucky result here...there are only 2 results in the conservative column that are better....

Bafou - Another wild effort from the Camerooner...Camerite...Cam...oh, hell nevermind - white flag is up and it doesn't matter...Foul.

McGillicuddy - Now with a good jump the pressure would normally be off, but McGillicuddy has just watched his 24' result get passed by 3 people droping him from 2nd in the event to 5th...he give it a shot...it's a clean jump and judging from the unofficial ruler by the pit he appears to be very close to his previous jump...can't tell it is so close...23' 11"Just missed bettering his result...on the card too, as many rolls around this one were slightly better

Ashkayev - Final jump for Ashkayev is about like his previous on...in fact if he hadn't been a bit early on the take off it might have been the exact same distance20' 9".Terrible luck here...as the result was the worst possible outcome in the entire column....

Gunderson - Gives it another go...but his stide is off at the line and he ends up walking through the attempt...never even jumping into the pit...Foul. Really could have improved in this event with a little better luck

Gonzalez - Elected to pass his third jump...

The FOFC Track Officials would like to appologize for the delay...apparently they had to clear some hot coals from the long jump runway...not sure how they got there, but they are looking at security tapes to try and determine the cause....

Wow, to end up with a sub 23 jump in this is truly a disappointment.

Event 2 - Long Jump - Final Standings




Llyw - 25' 3"
McCloud - 25' 2"
Babson - 24' 10"
Nielsen - 24' 7"
Ginsberg - 24' 3"
McGillicuddy - 24'
Justice - 23' 10"
Gonzalez - 23' 7"
Rambis - 23' 5"
Gunderson - 22' 9"
Bafou - 22' 7"
Ashkayev - 20' 11"

Event 2 - Long Jump - Review

The Winners

Llwy
The biggest winner, without question was Llyw...anytime you max out an event you are a huge winner as there was no possible way to gain more points in the event.

The Favorites
Other winners are difficult to define, but I'd have to put all the favorites in the this column (Babson, Nielsen, and McCloud)...though they weren't dominating winners, all three were on the verge of being big losers in the event until the last jump and all 3 pulled through with an acceptable result. Certainly all 3 left points on the table, but they finished in the top of the standing in the event...and thus didn't lose too many points to the field


The Losers

Ashkayev
As big a winner as Ashkayev was in the 100 Meters, he was a bigger loser here. Not only did he finish last in the event, he was almost 2' shy of 11th and 10th place...that is a huge hit in the standings...

Gunderson
Gunderson got a bad break on the dice rolls in his last two attemps as he clearly should have been in the upper 23' range at worst...unlike Bafou, who jumped a similar distance, he did about as good as he could, Gunderson lost some ground here...

Event 2 - Long Jump - Points




Llyw - 990
McCloud - 985
Babson - 957
Nielsen - 940
Ginsberg - 915
McGillicuddy - 896
Justice - 883
Gonzalez - 864
Rambis - 852
Gunderson - 804
Bafou - 792
Ashkayev - 675

Overall Standings - After 2 Events



Babson - 1992
McCloud - 1960
McGillicuddy - 1895
Ginsberg - 1890
Llyw - 1862
Bafou - 1779
Rambis - 1769
Nielsen - 1767
Gonzalez - 1714
Justice - 1710
Gunderson - 1676
Ashkayev - 1638

Oggy! Oggy! Oggy!

Event 3 - Shot Put - Overview

The shot put works exactly like the long jump. Each athlete has up to 3 attempts and they can decide how they want to proceed with throws of safe, average or allout...

I will be posting information that will help give you some insight on your character...but understand, unlike long jump where the results are within a few feet of each other...the throwing events can have a very wide range of results and I can only be so accurate with my descriptions...

Event 3 - Shot Put - Preview

The Favorites
Babson

The Underdogs
Ginsberg, McGillicuddy

This isn't to say there isn't a lot of room for the competitors in this event, in fact, there are quite a few that are tightly bunched and quite a few that can win this event outright even if they aren't listed in the favorites. Actually, the reason the favorite list is so small is because there are too many B level performers to list here without naming over half the field....

Event 3 - Shot Put - Card Review

Babson
Safe - Has a nice conservative column...there are many outcomes of over 50' including several in the high probably rolls in the 30s. 30, 32, 34, 35, 36, 38 and 39 are all over 50'. There are a couple throws over 55' in the teens and low 20s as well. Low end is a nasty 43'7" result on 33...several other upper 48s and 49s sprinkled about. Most likely outcome will be beween low 50s to low 52s.
Ave - Got some huge results here...got a 57' on 38, and another on 25 and 22. Quite a few in the 55 and 56 foot range. The worst possible outcome here looks to be low 53...
All Out - This column has throws in the 58 foot range, but most of the column appears to be 51', 53 foot results. The big numbers (with exception of the 58...appear to be in the 55' ballpark and require a roll in the 10s...


Ginsberg
Safe - Not a good column...there is a 47' 10" result on 26, but the rest of the outcomes appear to be between low 40' and upper 41'. There are a few 42 and 43' results mixed in...most likely result is mid 40' to lower 41'
Ave - This is a much better column. Most resuts fall between upper 44' and lower 47'. Most likely outcome is between 46' and lower 47s.
All Out - could get a result in the 50' range with a roll of 19 or 21. There is also a 49'9" one on 12...and a 49'10" on 20, but most of th rest of the results are in the 44' range. Most likely outcome is upper 44'.

Nielsen
Safe - For a conservative column Nielsen has some good results. Could top 50' - 6 times. low end is in the 44' low range. Most likely outcome will be either in the mid to uppper 46' range
Ave - The entire column except the roll of 32 is 50' or better. high looks like 55'+, but it is on 17. Most likely result is in the upper 52 to mid 53' range
All Out - 6 results over 55' and one really high 54'. Several results in the 50' and 51' range. Most likely result is upper 51'


McCloud
Safe - interesting column...pretty solid with results in the 46, 47 and 48' range. Got some nice 50' plus results on the lower percentage rolls in the teens. Most likely result is across the 47' range
Ave - Quite a few results better than 53'...do have some 5 low results for this column in high occuring rolls...30, 31, 32, 36, 37, and 38. This makes it hard to predict what the most likely outcome in the column will be, as the 20 and teens are peppered with nice results...most likely outcome - ??? sorry but can't make a determination by eyeballing the results
All Out - A string of 55'+ results run from rolls of 16 - 19. Also have a 54 on 27. The rest basically runs from unremarkable (50 and 51' results) to poor (48 and 49').


Llwy
Safe - poor results in the mid 30 rolls, but most of the rest of the card is 45'+. Top end is 51'5" on 27 and 50 but on the roll of 11 so not likely. A couple other results in the 48' range. The Most likely outcome is better than 45'but not likely to go above 47'.
Ave - High probablity rolls are in the upper 40s (48 and 49'). Several 50+ foot throws in the teens and upper and lower 20 rolls. A nice 52'3" result on 23, and another close to that on 39...most likely result mid 50s to 52'.
All Out - Got a 54'11" result on 12 and one close to that on 14 and one greater than that on 29. A few 52' type results in the teen. As always you have the low end results mixed in that in this case would bu 47' and 48' results...Most likely results are probably around 50'


Rambis
Safe - Nothing specatular here...the high probablity rolls are below average around a 45' ballpark. The good rolls are in the teens...but there are several 50'+ ones there. Most likely outcome is low 46' to low 47'
Ave - Got a very nice average column, but the low 47' to 49' rolls on 30 - 32 are concerning. Most of the rest of the results are in the 50'+ range with quite a few in the 53 and 52' ballparks. Most likely result is low to mid 52s.
All Out - The all out column gives you a chance at a 55'5" toss on 20 and a similar roll on 19 (good luck with that). There are also good ones in the 55'neighborhood on 23 and 29 (not bad). The rest is the column is the typical risk/reward stuff...mostlikely result is in the 52' range


Justice
Safe - got a 50'9" result on 30 and another over 50' on 28...both are not bad odds. The only other over 50 result is the high on the column of 51'1" but it is on 13. The low end looks to be in the 42' range and the most common outcomes are in the upper 45' to mid 46'
Ave - Got an awesome 54'10" result on 32. There are serveral more over 53' in the column. Most of the column is over 50' with the low end at 48'11" on 21. The most likely outcome is upper 50' and mid 52s
All Out - Better than most high risk columns...from 17 - 20 is all over 55', got anther on 23 and a 55'+ on 14. But what makes this column better than most high risks ones is that the bad throws are typically better. Most are still over 50'. Most likely outcome would be upper 50'.


Bafou
Safe - not a strong event for this athlete...high result is only in the mid 48' range. Teh low end is around 41'. The most likely result is in the mid 44's throuh the mid 45' range.
Ave - Not a bad column here - 13 results over 50' including on rolls of 36, 37, 24, 23, 22, 21, 18, and 16, 14, 13, and 12. Pretty decent change he can hit one of these. Most likely outcome is in the mid 50'.
All Out - got a low of 46' 2" on 30 (not good) and a 48' but on the hard to roll 18. high is in 53'8" on 22 (not bad). Got a few more results over 50' but they are offset by numerous results in below 50'...most likely outcome ???


McGillicudy
Safe - Not a good performer in this event...he has an extremely poor sub 40' toss on 31...quite a few fall between 40' and 41'6". The high appears to be 47'5", but it is on a high probability roll of 35. Most likely result is 41'and some change.
Ave - This column looks a lot like the last one...Thing did slide up slightly as the low is now a 41'10" result and the high is a 48'+ which appears 3 times. Most likely result is upper 46 to lower 47'
All Out - even in the allout column ther only appears to be 1 result over 50 on the roll of 17. There are some 49'+ results on 12, 15, 19, 21, and 29. The rest is around 45'+/-


Ashkayev
Safe - low end is in the low 41' range, high end is 49' on the roll of 25. Most likely result appears to be around 46'
Ave - got a nice sprinkling of 50+ foot results, including a 51 on 36, and a 53'+ on 39. Other rolls over 50 include, 29, 28, 26, 25, 23, 22, 20, 19, 15, 14, 13, and 12. But some poor results on 30 - 32 are problematic. Most likely result in the 51' range
All Out - High end is a 54'11' on 12 and 19. Do have several more 50+ in the teens and more on 23, 26, 29. The rest is poor at best, including rolls in the 45' and 46' range. Most likely is around 51'


Gunderson
Safe - has a nice 49'8" result on 33, and a 50+ result on 30. Plus 52'9" on 26. Other 50+ results exist in the teen. The low is a 42'10" result on 25. Most likely result will be around 48 or 49'
Ave - Got a great 54'10" result on 32, and 16 - 27 are all greater than 52' except 21 which is 51'. Low is a 47'11" result on 30. Most likely outcome is @ 52'
All Out - 4 results over 55' 14, 18, 19, 23. Serveral more between 50' and 52'. There are also 6 result that are below 50' including 2 in the 47' range. Most likely result is between 50 and 51'6".


Gonzalez
Safe - mid 45 results appear on most of the high probability rolls. The high is a 51'3" number on 38. Teh most common result is mid 45'
Ave - again 38 is a good roll this time a 51'11" results. Over half the results are above 50' with the high above 53'. The low end throws are ugly 45' and 46'8 on the 21 and 22. Most likely result is in the low 51s.
All Out - Got some good results in the teens, including 4 over 52'. 20 - 22 is also nice with results ranging from low 51' to mid 53'. Got a couple more 50+ results, the bad rolls that are typically sprinkled in, in this case aren't as bad...most are over 48'. Most likely result is around 51'

Hopefully, the breakdown above will give you all you need to make a decision on how to approach the shot put. I'll need to get everyone's declaration on how to start the event...

If you are confused on need more information just let me know

Can you give us a breakdown on fouls/injuries?

Can you give us a breakdown on fouls/injuries?

Oh yeah, forgot about that...sorry...

EVENT 3 - Shot Put - Result Specifics

Chances of Occurance

Conservative
Fouls - 0%
Injuries - 0%

Normal
Fouls - 23.61%
Injuries - 2.31%

Aggressive
Fouls - 47.22%
Injuries - 4.63%

NOTE: Any roll that results in an injury also results in a foul.

McGillicuddy - Normal

Rambis will see how normal treats him for now.

Though handling large heavy balls is traditionally something Danish women are more experienced in, the rules prohibit the Viking Lord from using one of his harom as a stand in.

Thusly, Nielsen is forced to take this task on himself, and will, amidst protest, do so at an Average intensity.

Wow, I think I have to go the same way in this event, normal for the first throw from David Ginsberg.

Llyw is feeling very average.

Normal for Bafou.

normal for Ashkayev for the 1st 2 jumps

Gunderson will throw normal to start the shot putting. We need a really good showing here.

Fox Mccloud - Conservative/Safe

Event 2 - Long Jump - 3rd Attempts

McCloud - So the first two favorites in this event came up with big jumps when they needed too, which only serves to add more pressure on McCloud. But the Big Scot refuses to give in...giving his final jump a concerted effort...he hits the block and gets a gigantic jump...perfect form and the leap is extremely successful...he will even be close to taking the outright lead in the event...I can't tell from the mark we'll have to wait for the measurement................ - 25' 2" Not a max out, but not a ton of better results available either


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FOX ! FOX! FOX! FOX!

Babson - Average

(looks like he lucked out with card creation for this one)

Frank Justice - All Out

Gonzalez - Normal

Adjusted it because I realize it's normal not average, so average for David Ginsberg.

Event 3 - Shot Put - Throw 1

Babson
Babson steps in the circle for his first attempt at the shot. He spins, turns launches the ball, but kicks the edge board and Fouls

Ginsberg
Ginsberg, one of the poorer performers in this event, is looking for a good showing to stay in contact with the overall points leaders, tosses his first put and get a distance of 44' 10" This result appears to be the 3rd lowest in the average column...so mmuch better results still out there

Nielsen
The big Dane's first attempt is much more controlled than his first attempt in the long jump, he is well balanced, and he uses that huge frame to drive the put into the landing area...his toss measures 52' 4". This is about lower middle of the results in the column. Many of the higher probability results are in this neighborhood, but here are a good number still available that are over 53'

McCloud
McCloud's first attempt appears to be pretty conservative in nature...not a ton of explosion and it shows in the result...47' 10" Not a terrible throw for the conservative column...but this falls about middle distance in the results for safe and would be the shortest good result in the average column

Llyw
Comming off his huge result in the long jump, Llyw is overly pumped up and he ends up off balance on the throw and is unable to save it...having to step into the field to remain standing Foul

Rambis
Rambis...takes his turn and the form and toss look good. This one is clearly the longest of the competitors so far...result 52' 11" I count 8 better results in the average column and 4 in the all out column

Justice
Justice electst to really go after his first attempt, and he is rewarded with a white flag...the toe clipped the throw board...Foul

Bafou
Bafou, the former basketball player has his own unique way of combining the classic croutch and turn with is old free-throw style...it is very interesting, but not ususally very successful....however this time he gets a pretty good result, timing the bob, weave, turn, and classic basketball follow through...he ends up with a distance of 50' 5". This is about in middle in the results in the normal column

McGillicuddy
The first throw for McGillicuddy is clean, but not very good 44' This was the second shortest result in the column

Ashkayev
Another clean throw, but poor outcome...46' 8" This is a low end result for the column...many better scores available

Gunderson
AFter a disappointing result in the long jump, Gunderson is looking to rebound...but his bad luck continues as his toe has apparently scraped the toe board. The official threw up the flag...Gunderson doesn't like the call, but the video shows the very tip of his shoe scuff the board and in fact a slight mark was left on the white paint...so no doubt it is a Foul

Gonzalez
Gonzalez, like McGillicuddy and Ashkayev has a score on the board, but it isn't one he's going to be particularly happy with...46' 8" There is only 1 outcome in the column shorter than this distance

Event 2 - Shot Put - 1st Attempt Leaderboard



Rambis - 52' 11"
Nielsen - 52' 4"
Bafou - 50' 5"
McCloud - 47' 10"
Ashkayev - 46' 8"
Gonzalez - 46' 8"
Ginsberg - 44' 10"
McGillicuddy - 44'
Babson - -
Llyw - -
Justice - -
Gunderson - -

Need declarations for the 2nd attempt...

Babson - Average

(looks like he lucked out with card creation for this one)

Again.

Average for Llyw

Nielsen will sit this one out and get a massage from Ingrid.

David Ginsberg will go average again.

Average for Bafou.

Got half the athlete's results for the 2nd throw...still waiting on the declaration on the other half

(for Ashkayev I used Normal as was the instruction from ntdeacon's initial post on style...but it can be changed...just post the new style before I post the results)

McGillicuddy - Average

Rambis will throw one more normal, then chill out on the third.

I can't believe that! The likelihood of 3 consecutive fouls given my choices is about 3%. What luck!

Given that, the Norwegians insist that he only go out and give a normal attempt for the next throw. If he fails to score well on this one, he is pretty much done for.

all out for mccloud

Frank Justice - average

Gonzalez - normal

Event 3 - Shot Put - Throw 2

Babson
Babson...prepares himself for his second turn...he gets set...uncorks...and oh my!!!...he's really launched this one...it is extremely long. There is no white flag so this one is going to count. We wait on the measurement and the official distance is 57' 1" I only count two results better on the entire card...1 in average and 1 in allout...This is a huge result - which puts the pressure on everyone else...it will still remain to be seen if his stamina will hold up for the entire event...

Ginsberg
Ginsberg takes his second attempt...and it looks very similar in execution but shorter in distance 44' 4""Last result was 3rd shortest in the column, this was the second shortest...a serious run of bad luck for Ginsberg

Nielsen
Nielsen chose to pass his second attempt...following Babson's launch it will be interesting to see what the big Dane does next round...

McCloud
McCloud's 3rd attempt is a big toss...the put clearly travels more than 53'...but there the flag is raised. It was late going up but regardless the result is the same Foul

Llyw
Llyw gives his second turn a go and he also ends up with a Foul Amazing how quickly fortunes can change in the decathlon...from the highs of a personal best in the Long Jump to a huge decision on how to handle the 3rd throw in the shot with no score currently on the board and the current overall leader having a big result...

Rambis
Rambis has a slight hitch in his attempt and his throw comes up short of the previous result 49' 8" Still quite a few results that are better...

Justice
Justice's second attempt results in another Foul For the second straight event, Justice will head into his final attempt with no score on the board. Last time he posted a respectible result in the long jump, it will be interesting to see if he can deliver again when the pressure is on


Bafou
The strange form doesn't work as well this time as his throw is short of his first attempt...49' 4". Still half of the result are better than the current recorded score.


McGillicuddy
The second attemp from McGillicuddy is almost identical to the first. I can't tell by eyeballing it if it is an improvement or not. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the measurement came back exactly the same...and the announced distance is 44' 1" Only 3 results worse this time...another player with a serious run of bad luck...

Ashkayev
Ashkayev, coming off his own run of bad luck, gives the put a mighty heave...and it is a pretty good one. Significant better than his first. Oh and looking at the replay he came about as close to a foul as you can without having the white flag raised. I'll bet you couldn't have fit a piece of paper between his toe and the board. The measurement is...51' This is a good result, but not nearly a personal best. There are 11 better in the average column and 5 in the allout


Gunderson
Gunderson, frustrated by his performance thus far, really takes his anger out on his second attempt. He uncorks and lets out a huge roar as the put flies into the landing area. He has a good result this time...though not nearly a personal best...the result measures in as50' 2" This result is about in the middle of possible outcomes for the column...

Gonzalez
Gonzalez ends up over rotating and stepping on top of the toe board.Foul Gonzalez will go into the final throw with one of the worst possible outcomes possible on his card...

Event 2 - Shot Put - 2nd Attempt Leaderboard



Babson - 57' 1"
Rambis - 52' 11"
Nielsen - 52' 4"
Ashkayev - 51'
Bafou - 50' 5"
Gunderson - 50' 2"
McCloud - 47' 10"
Gonzalez - 46' 8"
Ginsberg - 44' 10"
McGillicuddy - 44' 1"
Llyw - -
Justice - -

Ready for declaration of style...

Yay.

Babson will try and catch his breath by sitting out the final toss.

Im confused, did Gunderson get a 50-2 or a 48-11?

Either way I guess, he's going all out on his last throw.

Hey PM,

Sorry, transcribe error when I was working on the results...the write up is correct the leaderboard is wrong...you're at 50' 2"...fixing it now...

Ashkayev normal

Hmm. Nielsen will save his strength. The Danish women's curling team is in town.

David Ginsberg will go average yet again.

Gonzalez - average

Half of the athletes have reported in...

McGillicuddy - Average

Frank Justice - Average

Llyw is going average. It may knock me out of the decathlon, but I don't know how I can win with the points I am likely to get from the safe card.

Rambis will sit out throw 3.

Average for mccloud

Average for Bafou. Sorry for delaying the proceedings by 5 hours!

Event 3 - Shot Put - Throw 3

Babson
Babson...feeling some of the effects of fatigue, has elected to sit out this round...

Ginsberg
Takes his 3rd attempt hoping to improve on the 44' 4" score he currently has on the board, but unfortunately, he clips the board and Fouls Still dealing with the serious run of bad luck

Nielsen
Nielsen enjoying his massage and conserving his energy, Nielsen elects to pass...

McCloud
McCloud's 3rd attempt is a big toss...this throw is clearly better than his first...it may not be close to personal best but it will certainly earn him significantly more points tha a 47' throw... 51' 5"

Llyw
Llyw comes into this final attempt without a score...a foul here will eleminate him from the competition...and with his form being off, we'd assume he'd be pretty conservative with this attempt. He gets ready, and there is a pretty good effort put into this throw. It certainly isn't an allout effort, but he didn't hold much back. No flag is raised and he'll record an official distance of 49' 1" Certainly not a great result, especially when most of the column was over 50', but at least he keeps himself in the game...

Rambis
Decides his 52' 11" result is good enough and passes...

Justice
Like Llyw the pressure is on here. This is the second straight event where Justice has left his fate up to his final attempt...just like the long jump he doesn't back off on his attempt, there was nice explosion out of the croutch...he has a nice throw here...52' 11" For the second straight event, Justice comes through when he needs to...There were better results on the card, but considering the situation, this turned out better than could have been expected.


Bafou
Just couldn't quite time up the awkward form to improve on the first throw...in fact, this one was shorter than the 2nd...48' 11".


McGillicuddy
McGillicuddy unwinds on his 3rd attempt and this throw is going to be longer than the previous one - but it still is not one he's going to be overly pleased with...45' This result is still in the bottom 3rd of the column...

Ashkayev
coming off his nice 51' effort in the previous throw, Ashkayev is pumped about his 3rd attempt...he gives it a heave...and the white flag goes up...Foul

Gunderson
Gunderson steps into the circle for his final attempt...he is looking more relaxed...the 50'+ result from the previou throw must have allowed him to settle in, knowing his got a decent score already recorded...he unwinds and really launches this one...He yelling as he watches the put fly through the air. The ball lands and he raises his arms in triumph, while cutting a quick glance at the official with the white flag. This is a great effort...and the official distance is measured at 55' 8" MAX OUT!!!

Gonzalez
Gonzalez, give the results of the other performers really needs to do something here. That 46' score on the board would really put him in a hole if he can't improve...the throw is away and it registers 49'

Event 2 - Shot Put - Final Leaderboard



Babson - 57' 1"
Gunderson - 55' 8"
Rambis - 52' 11"
Justice - 52' 11"
Nielsen - 52' 4"
McCloud - 51' 5"
Ashkayev - 51'
Bafou - 50' 5"
Llyw - 49' 1"
Gonzalez - 49'
McGillicuddy - 45'
Ginsberg - 44' 4"

Event 2 - Shot Put - Event Points



Babson - 938
Gunderson - 912
Rambis - 860
Justice - 860
Nielsen - 849
McCloud - 832
Ashkayev - 824
Bafou - 813
Llyw - 788
Gonzalez - 786
McGillicuddy - 711
Ginsberg - 699

Overall Leaderboard



Babson - 2930
McCloud - 2792
Llyw - 2650
Rambus - 2629
Nielsen - 2616
McGillicuddy - 2606
Bafou - 2592
Ginsberg - 2589
Gunderson - 2588
Justice - 2570
Gonzalez - 2500
Ashkayev - 2462

Just checking -- the write up for Llyw says 49-11 and the final leaderboard says 49-1. Not that I'm scrimping for every last point, but...well, OK, that is exactly what I'm doing.

Very disappointing event. But today is St. David's day, so I expect great things for Wales's finest athlete.

Just checking -- the write up for Llyw says 49-11 and the final leaderboard says 49-1. Not that I'm scrimping for every last point, but...well, OK, that is exactly what I'm doing.

Very disappointing event. But today is St. David's day, so I expect great things for Wales's finest athlete.

damn my write ups...that's what I get for over typing...hang on. I still have all the rolls associated with the game saved. so i'll research it back. Sorry about that...

damn my write ups...that's what I get for over typing...hang on. I still have all the rolls associated with the game saved. so i'll research it back. Sorry about that...

Ok, in this case the write up is wrong. The result was 49' 1" so the score and leaderboards are accurate...sorry about the mix up...

Well, resting didn't work out AS well as I'd hoped, but moved up in the standings, and saved some energy.

Event 3 - Shot Put - Review

I think it is easy to see the winners and losers in this event. Babson and Gunderson clearly outpaced the rest of the field, whereas McGillicuddy and Ginsberg trailed the pack by a significant margin. This may be an over simplifaction of the winners and losers, especially when you consider that Babson was the only A performer in the event and was supposed to do well and McGillicuddy and Ginsberg were F level and weren't supposed to do well...

The only player in this event that outreached his grade was Bafou...who as a D beat a couple of C performers...

General Overview

I have played this game for years...and I typically will compete with 15 or so competitors, and I have never had 2 max outs in a single competition. I also don't remember ever going this long into the competition and not experiencing a single injury. In fact, if you look back on the previous competition I held, you'll see how impactful the injuries were...if I remember correctly there were 3 or 4 athletes that didn't even finish the competition because of injury (and that takes 2 injury rolls by the same person over the course of the 10 events...)

There have also been a surprising number of poor results in the early rolls. For instance, in the Shot Put, 3 competitors elected to pass their final throw, and of the remaining 9...6 had their best result on that attempt (of course 2 had there only succesful throw on that attempt).

This has been a pretty peculiar event so far...(and I like it...)

When we look at the scoring...Babson is out in front by a pretty good bit, and Ashkayev is training by a decent margin, but the spots 3 - 11 are actually quite tight. Only 150 points separate those spots. For perspective 3rd place is 280 points from first.

While Babson has the early lead, he was expected to have a lead at this point. In fact, if he didn't have a lead now, he'd be in real trouble for the remainder of the meet. Babson is about to enter 2 events where his lack of stamina is going to hurt...and the field will potentially have the ability to close the gap.

Next up is the High Jump...and I'll be posting how this event works shortly (I want to reread how we did it last time, because there was some confusion and I'd like to avoid it this time around)...

Ground Rules - High Jump

Fatigue Ratings

Ok, as I mentioned much earlier in this dynasty, the orginal game built all of the fatigue factors on the first day from this single event. The way the orginal game worked was that every athlete was given 7 jumps without penalty...For every subsequent jump there was a time adjustment made for the 400 Meters...

Because...

1. I think it is foolish that only 1 event impacts fatigue and...
2. I allowed players to create there athletes with different skill sets (rather than assume every athlete has the same abilities), therefore I need to factor in the different levels of stamina

so I have adjusted the game rules for fatigue. The new rules still revolve heavily around the high jump...but as was stated earlier a pass on a previous event gives the user an extra jump here without penalty. The default 7 jumps without penalty is still the base number - however if your character has low stamina you won't get 7 without penalty, and if you have a high stamina number you can go over 7 and not impact future events...

Now the question I will post to you is, how would you like to proceed? (and yes I know I still need to tell you how the event will work and I'll get to that...if you think you need that information before making the decision let me know and I'll provide it...but I felt this was important to understand). I figure we have a few options...

1. I can post in the thread how many jumps you get before penalties occur
2. I can PM you the same (if you think opponents not knowing provides a strategic advantage)
3. I can give you hints through the write ups of how your character is feeling phsyically and you can do your best to interprit the message.
4. We can go blind, with you knowing your stamina score you entered and try to adjust your jump totals based on how you believe I would break it down.

Another question to you is...

Do you want to know the exact time penalties for going over on the next event (the 400 Meters)...there also can be some penalties accessed on the 2nd day if the number of attempts is excessive...(and I can provide those as well, but that might get a bit cumbersome)...

Let me know...

Ground Rules - High Jump

Fatigue Ratings

Ok, as I mentioned much earlier in this dynasty, the orginal game built all of the fatigue factors on the first day from this single event. The way the orginal game worked was that every athlete was given 7 jumps without penalty...For every subsequent jump there was a time adjustment made for the 400 Meters...

Because...

1. I think it is foolish that only 1 event impacts fatigue and...
2. I allowed players to create there athletes with different skill sets (rather than assume every athlete has the same abilities), therefore I need to factor in the different levels of stamina

so I have adjusted the game rules for fatigue. The new rules still revolve heavily around the high jump...but as was stated earlier a pass on a previous event gives the user an extra jump here without penalty. The default 7 jumps without penalty is still the base number - however if your character has low stamina you won't get 7 without penalty, and if you have a high stamina number you can go over 7 and not impact future events...

Now the question I will post to you is, how would you like to proceed? (and yes I know I still need to tell you how the event will work and I'll get to that...if you think you need that information before making the decision let me know and I'll provide it...but I felt this was important to understand). I figure we have a few options...

1. I can post in the thread how jumps you get before penalties occur
2. I can PM you the same (if you think opponents not knowing provides a strategic advantage)
3. I can give you hints through the write ups of how your character is feeling phsyically and you can do your best to interprit the message.
4. We can go blind, with you knowing your stamina score you entered and try to adjust your jump totals based on how you believe I would break it down.

Another question to you is...

Do you want to know the exact time penalties for going over on the next event (the 400 Meters)...there also can be some penalties accessed on the 2nd day if the number of attempts is excessive...(and I can provide those as well, but that might get a bit cumbersome)...

Let me know...


Oh...and if I confused the hell out of you - let me know that as well. It wouldn't be the first time trying to do a Decathlon dynasty.

From my understanding, my opinion.

Either PM the number of jumps we get, or hint it. Exact time penalties are unnecessary.

FURTHERMORE...as far as fatigue goes, will it still be beneficial to marshal our resources for this event, or try to come as close to the "fatigue point" as possible? Aka - if we manage a couple good jumps early, is there still a point to resting?

Event 4 - High Jump - Game Mechanics

This event is handled differently from the previous ones. The easiest way to explain this (and boy I hope I didn't just stick my foot in my mouth)...is to consider the physical card first...

On everyones card there is height listed for each roll...Here is Jim Thorpe's from the original game...


10 - 7' 1"
11 - 7' 0"
12 - 7' 6"
13 - 7' 5"
14 - 7' 4"
15 - 7' 2"
16 - 7' 5"
17 - 7' 1"
18 - inj
19 - 7' 4"
20 - 7' 1"
21 - 7' 6"
22 - 7' 2"
23 - 7' 2"
24 - 7' 3"
25 - 7' 3"
26 - 7' 6"
27 - 7' 6"
28 - 7' 4"
29 - 7' 0"
30 - 7' 6"
31 - 7' 5"
32 - 7' 3"
33 - 7' 4"
34 - 7' 4"
35 - 7' 4"
36 - 7' 3"
37 - 7' 4"
38 - 7' 2"
39 - 7' 1"




So you can see that a roll of 10 = 7' 1"...however, that doesn't mean your character got a 7'1" result...

The way this event works, the jumping will start at a set height (in our case that will probably be 6'4" or 6' 5") and then each athlete will announce if they are going to jump or pass. If the person chooses to jump AND they roll a result equal to or better than the height attempted, they cleared the bar. If the result is lower then they missed. The event ends when 3 consecutive misses occur. However, please note, that you don't have to clear a height to move up...for instance, Thorpe might decide to take an initial jump of 7'1" just to get on the board (as you can see from the column he should easily clear this height), but due to poor luck he rolls an 11 and misses...rather than waste another attempt at the shorter height and risk hitting the fatigue number, he might elect to pass on his second attempt and then jump when the height hits 7'2"...(not a typical way to play, but perfectly acceptable).


I hope this explains the event clearly...if not please post your questions and I'll attempt to clarify...

From my understanding, my opinion.

Either PM the number of jumps we get, or hint it. Exact time penalties are unnecessary.

FURTHERMORE...as far as fatigue goes, will it still be beneficial to marshal our resources for this event, or try to come as close to the "fatigue point" as possible? Aka - if we manage a couple good jumps early, is there still a point to resting?

Great question...The benefits for protecting against fatigue in this event are certainly reduced. By saving attempts you will enable yourself to have more attempts on the Pole Vault the next day without incurring a penalty in the 1500. Due to the day off between the 5th and 6th events...most fatigue will be erased anyway. Only in a case where significant fatigue was incurred in day 1 would a penalty carry over for the hurdles and discus (prior to the Pole Vault on day 2)...and typically that penalty would be half of the total for full fatigue (though that option exists - but as long as no one goes crazy and attempts some obscene number of high jump attempts a full 2nd day fatigue won't be accessed...)

So I guess I need to know

1. how you'd like to proceed at this point with regards to understanding fatigue

2. What height you'd like to attempt first...

1. I can post in the thread how jumps you get before penalties occur
2. I can PM you the same (if you think opponents not knowing provides a strategic advantage)
3. I can give you hints through the write ups of how your character is feeling phsyically and you can do your best to interprit the message.
4. We can go blind, with you knowing your stamina score you entered and try to adjust your jump totals based on how you believe I would break it down.

I would say 1. or 3. myself, more because it's in keeping with how we've done the first three events, but I won't be particularly bothered if it doesn't end up being one of those.

Will we get an indication how well our characters are expected to perform here before deciding on what heights we want to attempt?

Event 4 - High Jump - Card Review

this might help with the request above...I wrote this up a couple of days ago waiting on declarations and I forgot I hadn't posted it yet...


Babson
High appears to be 7', low appears to be 6' 6" but it is on the 11 so hard to roll. Most of the high probability rolls are in the 6' 9" to 6' 10" range...with a couple of 7' results in the low and high 30s. Projection 6' 9"

Ginsberg
High is 7' 2", low is 6' 5" on the hard to roll 17. The high probability rolls are a hodge-podge of results from 6' 8" to 7' 2". Projection 6' 11"

Nielsen
High is 7' 6", 2 of them on the 20 and 27...low end is 6' 9" on the 17. next lowest roll is 6' 11" and there are 3 of them. The rest of the results are all 7' or better... Projection 7'2"

McCloud
The low is only 6' 4" but it is on 13...there are several 6' 5" and 6' 6" sprinkled around. High is 6' 11", but only 1 and it is on 27...a couple of 6' 10"s as well. Projection 6' 9"

Llwy
low is 6' 6" and there are a couple. High is 7'2" on a 13. There are 7 results of 7' or better with 2 in nice spots 35, adn 36...Projection 6' 11"

Rambis
1 result of 7' (22), also a few 6' 11" on the 15, 24, 25, 36, and 38...so not bad spots. Low is 6' 6", and it is in several spots...Projection 6' 10"

Justice
low is 6' 5" on 39 and a few 6' 6"s are around. The high is 7' 2" and there are a couple (22, 37). There are a few other 7' results, most fall in the 6' 9" to 6' 11" range. Projection 6' 10"

Bafou
No 7' results...high is 6' 11"...and I only see 2 on 14 and 27. A few 6' 10s as well. Low is 6' 5" and I count 5...projection 6' 8"

McGillicudy
Low is 6' 5" but I only see 1 on 39...there are a couple of 6' 6". High is 7' 2"...there are 5 total 7' or greater results...projection 6' 10"

Ashkayev
Low is 6' 6" and there are a few of those, and quite a few 6' 7" results (though most are in the teens). The high is 7' but not in high probability locations. Projection 6' 9"

Gunderson
6' 6" is the low, on 11, 19, and 39...so most are very low probability rolls...High is 7' and there are 5...again not in high probability spots. Projection 6' 9"

Gonzalez
High is 7' and there are 4 of them...including a nice one on 34...low is 6' 5" in low probability spots. Projection 6' 10"

Clearly we should start at 7'. :)

Event 4 - High Jump - Event Ground Rules

One more Very Important Note that I failed to mention earlier (and I think I screwed this up last time as well in my explanations...)

Once a height is passed...the bar is never lowered again. Therefore you can't start jumping at 6' 10" miss, and then elect to jump 6'7" just to get a score...once a height is passed there is no going back....

This is where the strategy and decision making gets a bit tough and why it is important to have enough attempts to get a good score...

I'll take my first jump at 6'8" and would cast my vote for some combination of 2 and 3. Watchers would have some kind of insight as to your energy level, but you'd have a much better idea internally.

I'd prefer #3 but I'm fine with whatever you pick. McGillicuddy will take his first jump at 6'8"

Nielsen will take his first jump at SOMETHING TOP SECRET NOW!

Event 4 - High Jump

This event can be rather long due to the number of decisions that need to be made. If anyone is available and would like to PM me, we can run through the entire event for you in this manner and speed up the process...

The official results for everyone to see will be posted once the event has started and the heights you attempted are reached...You however will already know your height in the event - I only ask that you not announce it in the dynasty...

Nielsen cleared 15 feet, 8 inches everyone. Just sayin'. :)

Ashkayev will start at 6'7"

Nielsen cleared 15 feet, 8 inches everyone. Just sayin'. :)

I think that is a jump!

Event 4 - High Jump - Update

Finished
Nielsen
Justice
McGillicuddy
Ginsberg

Started
Ashkayev
Llyw

Heading home now...will pick this up tomorrow...

I don't mind any of the options, fine with whatever.

Rambis will start with 6'6- should we just PM a full jump strategy?

EDIT: nevermind, I'll try to get be on to get PM's in tomorrow.

Gonzalez will start at 6'7".

The only player in this event that outreached his grade was Bafou...who as a D beat a couple of C performers...

And it seemed as though his second and third chances gave him a chance to improve on the first throw he was ultimately left with...

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For the high jump, Bafou will take one jump at 6'5" (pass or fail), and rue the fact that he has no technique.

And if this question hasn't fully been answered, hints are fun.

Event 4 - High Jump - Status Update

Finished
Babson
Ginsberg
Nielsen
Justice
McGillicuddy

In Progress
Llyw
Rambis
Bafou
Gonzalez
Ashkayev

Waiting On
McCloud
Gunderson


And boy I hope I didn't somehow screw up who has which character...if I did - with all the PM messages I'll have a lot to go through to correct it...

Event 4 - High Jump - Status Update

Finished
Babson
Ginsberg
Nielsen
Justice
McGillicuddy
Llyw
Ashkayev
Gunderson

In Progress
Rambis
Bafou
Gonzalez

Waiting On
McCloud


Once I get a starting height from McCloud I can start posting results...there will be some pauses while we wait for the "In Progress" competitors to finish up, but we'll be able to let everyone start to see how they faired...

re: fatigue. I would like to know everything. Just do it in thread to make it easy. I haven't really been reading other's stuff that much and I assume most aren't either and even if they did it wouldn't affect things much at all. Probably easiest just to do it all in one post. a list of each player and their max jumps before tiredness + time effect.

incidently I don't see hints working for me at all as I'd just ask a ton of questions about them anyway and drive you crazy. I'd rather know exact things so I can make an informed decision. (and then the dice can screw me...;)

Clearly we should start at 7'. :)

you bastard

wow how did not see this last night

so if we pass during the high jump for a higher bar level, does our fatigue go away?

(anyone can answer that knows)

No.

Hey Fox,

Tried to reply to your latest PM and your inbox is full...

I know. I just replied again and left a space for you. Can we please go to steam for this. I don't have th pmbox bandwidth to do this in pm. accounts are free there if you don't have one.

I know. I just replied again and left a space for you. Can we please go to steam for this. I don't have th pmbox bandwidth to do this in pm. accounts are free there if you don't have one.

I'll be glad to do whatever I can to make this easier on you, but I don't know what steam is...if you want to direct me I'll be there shortly...

http://store.steampowered.com/

should be a green icon in the upper right corner saying "Install Steam"
Then you can "add friends"

or you can tell me your id and I'll just add you myself.
an icon appears in your open programs tray and you can right click on that and choose "friends" to use its chat program
once we're friends you will probably be able to see that i'm friends with most of these other people too and friend them.

Welcome to Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/)

should be a green icon in the upper right corner saying "Install Steam"
Then you can "add friends"

Running the install now, be there shortly...

coolcoolcool thanks

coolcoolcool thanks

I'm in...account is TheBreeze1 - but it won't let me add a friend because I don't have any games in the system...

Maybe you can ping me? or Maybe I'm just doing something wrong...

you have to set up your community profile for sure . That much I know. before you can use chat I think.

Not seeing TheBreeze1.

Is that your username or account name? There is a difference

Just changed the profile name to TheBreeze1

in the upper right corner on steam. There is a search field with a magnifying glass. If you search for "Front Office Football" you can find and join the FOFC Trout group. I will definitely be able to find you then.

Event 4 - High Jump - Status Update

Finished
Babson
Ginsberg
Nielsen
McCloud
Llyw
Justice
Bafou
McGillicuddy
Ashkayev
Gunderson

In Progress
Gonzalez
Rambis

Just waiting on Rambis now...

Sorry guys! Working nights all this week, but I'll be around for almost the rest of the night to be sure to get done.

Event 4 - High Jump

All athletes elect to pass all the lower heights (6' - 6'4"). It is until 6'5" is reached before anyone elects to attempt a

jump...and the first to step up is interestingly the former basketball player Bafou...you'd think a basketball player would

be able to jump...


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6' 5"

Bafou's first attempt is easily successful - and it becomes obvious - Bafou can jump ok, but his form is awful...

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6' 6"

Bafou - elects to pass this height...

McCloud elects to jump - and he clears his opening height

Rambis elects to jump - and he clears his opening height

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6' 7"

McCloud - passes at this height

Rambis - passes at this height as well

Bafou - takes his second jump and clears it

Ashkayev - takes his first jump and he clears it

Gonzalez - easily clears on his first jump

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6' 8"

Bafou - again elects to pass

Ashkayev - elects to pass

McCloud takes his second jump and he is successful

Llyw - his first attempt is successful and he is on the board

McGillicuddy - makes his attempt on the first try, barely scraping over the bar. the footwork was slightly off

Gunderson - makes his first attempt

Gonzalez - clears on his first attempt

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Event 4 - High Jump

So here is where we stand...


McCloud - 6' 8" (2 jummps)
Llyw - 6' 8" (1 jump)
Rambis - 6' 8" (2 jumps)
McGillicuddy - 6' 8" (1 jump)
Gunderson - 6' 8" (1 jump)
Gonzalez - 6' 8" (2 jumps)
Ashkayev - 6' 7" (1 jump)
Bafou - 6' 7" (2 jumps)




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6' 9"

Babson - elect to take his first jump here and he sails over the bar, wouldn't been good at 7' plus...

Ginsberg - also elects to take his first jump and he also clears it...not by as much, but it still counts

McCloud - his 3 jump of the event is also good and he's 3 for 3 so far

Rambis - he also clears on his 3rd jump

Justice - take his first attempt and he crowds the bar to much, hitting it on the way up - and we have our first miss of the competition

Bafou - goes for his 3rd time and he clears the bar, but his sloppy form nearly causes his heal to kick it off...the bar bounces but stays up...

McGillicuddy - second jump is cleared...

Ashkayev - good at 6' 9"

Gunderson - also good at this height

Gonzalez - clears the height

Llyw - passes this height...


So far this has been uneventful...suprised we haven't had more misses to this point[/bi

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[i]6' 9" - Part 2


Justice - here we go again...another miss and now Justice faces elimination...he must clear with his next jump or he'll end up withdrawing from the competition...

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6' 9" - Part 3

Justice - comes up with the goods when he needs them...he now has a score on the board...


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6' 10"

Babson - goes again and clears, but as he leaves the pit he's rubbing his legs, like he's trying to get the soreness out...probably just fatigue starting to set in...

Ginsberg - misses - his heal clips the bar...

McCloud - his 4th jump is a bit sloppy and he fails to clear

Rambis - having just watched his competitors miss may have psyched him out, because Rambis' attempt wasn't a very good one

Justice - this is getting almost laughable for Justice. He fails to clear the height and once again is faced with a pressure situation...1 more attempt to record a score or withdraw from the competition...

Bafou - can't clear the height

McGillicuddy - clears it easily

Ashkayev - good jump

Gunderson - fails to clear

Gonzalez - sails over the bar


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6' 10" - Part 2

Ginsberg - with his second attempt at this height he has cleared...

McCloud - misses for a second time at this height...1 more miss and his event is over

Rambis - also fails to clear for the second time at this height - down to one jump

Justice - are you kidding me...1 more miss and he'll be finished in this event...let's see if he can come up with the big jump when he needs it again...

Bafou - manages to sneak over the bar

Gunderson - elects to pass on the height rather than take a second jump...



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6' 10" - Part 3


McCloud - feeling the effects of the day, knowing his chances of clearing the height are low and needing to conserve energy, McCloud elects to stand pat...

Rambis - sneaks over the bar

Justice - and just like previously...the big Brit comes up big in the big moment, easily clearing the bar...

McCloud finishes with a height of 6' 9"

Event 4 - High Jump



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6' 11"

Babson - gives 6' 11" a shot but the effort looks weak...as he exits the pit he seems to be saying something to the official...and I believe he may be wrapping up the event to save energy...we'll see...

Ginsberg - clears 6' 11" first try...

Nielsen - the event favorite, and the last contestant to jump takes his first attempt and clears it easily..that might have cleared 7' 5"...

Llyw - misses badly on the first try...hits the bar on the way up...

Rambis - shakes off the two misses at the previous height to clear this one...

Justice - like Rambis, he shakes off his misses and also clears on the first try...

Bafou - elbow clips the bar...

McGillicuddy - he goes 4 for 4 clearing the bar on his first try...

Ashkayev - also good at 6' 11"

Gunderson - after electing to skip his second try at 6' 10", Gunderson clears 6' 11" on the first attempt...

Gonzalez - just nicks the bar, but it is enough to make it fall


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6' 11" - Part 2


Babson does wave off his second turn and it appears he's done in this event...

Llyw - misses on his second go...

Bafou - steps are off and he ends up walking under the bar, knowing there was no way he was going to clear when he missed his take off point by as much as he did...

Gonzalez - cleans up his jump and clears the height


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6' 11" - Part 3

Llyw - still can't clear and is now finished with this event...

Bafou - isn't able to clear and in fact, probably wouldn't have been good from 4" shorter...

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Llyw finishes the event with a height of 6' 10"

Bafou finishes the event with a height of 6' 10"

Babson does elect to sit out the rest of the competition as he's already headed into the training room...so he also records a score of 6' 10"

Damn you guys, too many guys did way better than I thought that they would.

Danes of course, being the supreme beings, can jump higher than you mere mortals. It's hardly a fair contest.

Rambis Jr. outjumps everyone in front of him on the leaderboard, but I get the feeling Nielsen and a couple others are going to overtake the American. Still, for not being one of his specialties it'll be good to finish mid-table.

Really disappointed that I couldn't clear 6'11".

Event 4 - High Jump



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7'

Ginsberg - elects to conserve his energy and he'll wait to attempt his next jump, wanting to give a try closer to his personal best...PASS

Nielsen - Passes saying this height is for amateurs...

Rambis - elects to pass and it appears he may have wrapped up his event as well...

Justice - having attempted 7 jumps already, and stressful ones at that, he has decided to sit tight...

McGillicuddy - can't clear on his first try...

Ashkayev - just clips the bar with his hip going by...

Gunderson - crowds the bar and hit is on the way up

Gonzalez - can't get over


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7' - Part 2


McGillicuddy - similar looking effort to the last attempt

Ashkayev - unlike the last try, this one had no shot of being cleared...

Gunderson - better location for the take off, but his calf clips the bar before he can kick his feet up and he misses...

Gonzalez - misses again, and it looks like he's going to walk away from the 3rd attempt as he appears to be headed to the lockerroom


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6' 11" - Part 3


McGillicuddy - same mistake the 3rd time and he is finished in the high jump

Ashkayev - again close, but again, the bar is hit...it bounced a couple of times before falling but regardless he doesn't clear...

Gunderson - fails to clear the height and is finished with this event...

Gonzalez - did stay in the lockerroom so he has settled for 6' 11"
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Rambis - finishes with a height of 6' 11"
Justice - finishes with a height of 6' 11"
McGillicuddy - finishes with a height of 6' 11"
Ashkayev - finishes with a height of 6' 11"
Gunderson - finishes with a height of 6' 11"
Gonzalez - finishes with a height of 6' 11"

I was a bit surprised here that someone didn't catch a flier and clear 7'

only 2 athletes left in the competition...

Nielsen
Ginsberg

Bummer. These last two events of Day 1 are gonna be rough on the score for Babson.

Event 4 - High Jump



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7' 1"

Ginsberg - PASSES

Nielsen - appears to almost fly as he soars over the bar...


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7' 2"

Ginsberg - approaching a height that is close to if not equal to his personal bet Ginsberg give it a try...and he fails on the first attempt...

Nielsen - passes...with a smirk on his face...

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7' 2" - Part 2

Ginsberg - still can't clear and this one wasn't even close...


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7' 2" - Part 3

Ginsberg - better effort this time as most of his body clears the bar..but he still clips it and is unable to get the 7' 2" score...


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Ginsberg finishes with a height of 6' 11"

Event 4 - High Jump



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7' 3"

With everyone else out of the competition and with no one else clearing 7'...Nielsen is looking to pad his points at this stage....

Nielsen - first attempt is his first poor jump...he hits the bar squarely with his shoulders...

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7' 3" - Part 2

Nielsen - his second attempt is a thing of beauty...he launches himself and clears the jump by 3" easy...

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Did I seriously get the 7'0" result on that miss or was it a sub 7 foot result.

Event 4 - High Jump



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7' 4"

Nielsen - passes

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7' 5"

Nielsen - footwork is slightly off and he is too far to the side on the jump...causing him to hit the bar on the way up...

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7' 5" - Part 2

Nielsen - 2nd try is better but he isn't close to jump attempt he displayed at 7' 3" and he hits the bar squarely with his hip...

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Event 4 - High Jump



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7' 5" - Part 3

Nielsen - can't clear on his last attempt...fatigue may have been an issue, or his thoughts of saving some strenght may have prevented his best efforts here...but he finishes with a height of 7' 3"

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Nielsen finishes with a height of 7' 3"

Did I seriously get the 7'0" result on that miss or was it a sub 7 foot result.

One of your attempts was 7'....

I'm betting I was a "D" card on this one, so a tie for 2nd is a really good result!