Talk about CEOs and megabucks people and the things that happen to them and the things they do.

Brian Thompson's shooter ....still at large...or medium. the reward up to 60000 bucks. They got nothing. Utterly nothing. A bit of a puzzle that.

I'm a little surprised they don't have an identity yet. But then I don't think there are many people willing to help with the investigation either.

I'm a little surprised they don't have an identity yet. But then I don't think there are many people willing to help with the investigation either.

I mean they've talked to people at the hostel, his roommates, the cute girl at the register. What more do you want

I mean they've talked to people at the hostel, his roommates, the cute girl at the register. What more do you want
His picture is out, and someone (probably well more than one) knows exactly who he is. And they haven't came forward yet. I think maybe that changes if the reward increases, but I don't think people really want to be the one to finger him.

I think for the money, no one will mind. I am surprised though, that at least in the sources I look at, there's been absolutely no news about leads on this since Friday.

I think for the money, no one will mind. I am surprised though, that at least in the sources I look at, there's been absolutely no news about leads on this since Friday.

Yeah the press conference where the guy was trying to be coy saying "We're not going to reveal the name JUST YET. We don't want him to know we're coming...blahblahblah" So incompetent

After scouring a ton, only interesting thing I learned today is that the backpack they found had monopoly money in it.

Must suck to wake up one morning and realize you’re no longer President for life.

Must also suck to be son of said President and realize you won’t get your shot at being President for life.

After scouring a ton, only interesting thing I learned today is that the backpack they found had monopoly money in it.

He must be so mad that he setup that prank and it took the morons of the NYPD 3 days to find it.

They have someone in custody for questioning. He owns a gun like the one used in the shooting.

I hadn't read this, but they are saying the gun is a type of pistol used in veterinary practices. It has a longer barrel and a bolt action. I didn't really look that closely in the video. I just thought it was a regular pistol with a silencer barrel.

If they took him in in NY then it's obviously not the shooter

I hadn't read this, but they are saying the gun is a type of pistol used in veterinary practices. It has a longer barrel and a bolt action. I didn't really look that closely in the video. I just thought it was a regular pistol with a silencer barrel.

I wasn't familiar with its use in vet practices honestly, but the gun make/model identified by CBS News in one of their reports IS a (modernized version of) WWII vintage weapon that was used for clandestine operations behind German lines.

Look up B&T Station 6 if you're curious (there's actually at least one pretty thorough video on YT that goes into the history of the weapon, it's modern day
equivalents, performance, etc).

If they took him in in NY then it's obviously not the shooter

They didn't take him in NY, I'm reading Altoona, at a McDonald's. He was described as "suspicious" by customers, who called police. They found a gun similar to the one used in the shooting, and a fake ID.

Oh, and they found a manifesto about health care companies. I guess it's him.

I can't tell where this discussion is supposed to be posted.

The real question is, what's this dude look like?

I just saw this name and started laughing.

Luigi Mangione named as suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

Data Engineer for Truecar? Ok.

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This is going to be a whopper of a jury trial.

Given how weirdly random-but-superficially-connected everything in this world is thanks to social media, I'm looking forward to seeing a news article in about 2 weeks about the fact that Feels So Good experienced a 328,793% increase in streams since this guy's arrest.

I just saw this name and started laughing.

Luigi Mangione named as suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

A win for the Italian-American community.

a 3D printer can make a WORKING GUN?

They didn't take him in NY, I'm reading Altoona, at a McDonald's. He was described as "suspicious" by customers, who called police. They found a gun similar to the one used in the shooting, and a fake ID.

hahahah wait wait...how does one act policecall-worthy suspicious at a mcdonalds????

I mean really everyone who eats there is suspicious

hahahah wait wait...how does one act policecall-worthy suspicious at a mcdonalds????

I mean really everyone who eats there is suspicious

Depends. Did he get the McRib? That's hella suspect in and of itself. Combine that with having to eat it on the toilet, yea I could see calling the police over that.

Luigi Mangione: murder suspect thought the Unabomber was an ‘extreme political revolutionary’ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/12/09/luigi-mangione-murder-suspect-unabomber-revolutionary/)

a 3D printer can make a WORKING GUN?

Yeah that's been true for a while.

hahahah wait wait...how does one act policecall-worthy suspicious at a mcdonalds????

I mean really everyone who eats there is suspicious

Older man recognized him. Makes sense a city kid didn't realize local McDonalds are old people hangouts in the AM and that they usually stream news. He took the Greyhound, apparently it was near the bus station so I guess he was waiting to go somewhere else and the clock ran out.

4 days he didn't really get far, but I guess where can you go when there's an manhunt, getting out of NYC was the easy part.

Probably should have stayed in NYC - seems like a good place to get lost. Otherwise, if I really wanted to escape, I would have found my way across a border.

Probably should have stayed in NYC - seems like a good place to get lost. Otherwise, if I really wanted to escape, I would have found my way across a border.

I'm probably oversimplifying things but I've always wondered why these guys don't have a cabin out in the middle of nowhere Montana stocked up and ready. You'd think you could disappear there long enough to gain/lose weight, grow your hair and beard out etc.

This dude is going to prison as a gay icon. You see the twelve pack on him?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">if the x ray in the middle of the alleged uhc shooter's x banner is his that explains EVERYTHING. anyone with a back injury can give you a very detailed rundown of how useless the US healthcare system is <a href="https://t.co/IeTesp4SAU">pic.twitter.com/IeTesp4SAU</a></p>&mdash; molly taft (@mollytaft) <a href="https://twitter.com/mollytaft/status/1866197169944056168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Very familiar with those pins, but mine are in my neck.

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Just read that he was an intern at Firaxis and worked on Civ V.

He's a cousin of Maryland House of Delgates member Nino Mangione.

Had a manifesto about hating corporations and is caught at the largest fast food corporation in the world. That is quite the whopper.

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Should have gone with the hamburglar, seems like a snitch.

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Didn’t know there was a 3 pattie Big Mac.

Now it seems his online footprint shows him to be an alt-right tech bro, and the progressives that have been cheering for hom are all heartbroken.
Chronic back pain and having to deal with an insurance company will radicalized you.

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Now it seems his online footprint shows him to be an alt-right tech bro, and the progressives that have been cheering for hom are all heartbroken.

Where are you seeing that?

Now it seems his online footprint shows him to be an alt-right tech bro, and the progressives that have been cheering for hom are all heartbroken.
Chronic back pain and having to deal with an insurance company will radicalized you.

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I feel like the response to this guy has mostly been equal on both sides. Probably the most people have come together since 9/11. Sure the right has its bootlickers and the left has its "decorum" peeps, but most people seem to hate insurance companies with a passion.

I think a good question is why did this guy get so much more police resources than any other crime in NY. They don't even out this effort in when a child gets killed.

Bluesky. Someone pulled his history from various sites. I haven't read many of the specifics, but standard pro-tech and from the reactions some anti-trans stuff.

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Also, he seemed to be a Tucker Carlson fan.

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I think a good question is why did this guy get so much more police resources than any other crime in NY.

Assassinations, particularly on a public sidewalk, tend to be bad for business.

Whereas slaughtering children in schools is good for the gun business.

Assassinations, particularly on a public sidewalk, tend to be bad for business.

They have like 400 murders a year and solve them at a paltry rate. That's way worse for business than a targeted attack against someone almost everyone hates.

They have like 400 murders a year and solve them at a paltry rate. That's way worse for business than a targeted attack against someone almost everyone hates.

Not really.

Not when you consider how much big business operates in NYC.

I don't think some crooked CEO getting double tapped is going to change the landscape of New York all that much.

It's a really bad precedent for this guy to be on the lam, especially given the public response. Given his resources and those in his circle, the only reason it lasted this long is he clearly was trying to stay undetected but the bus schedule coupled with probably only going places at night so he was harder to spot didn't help his cause. So yeah, also NYPD has a new commissioner and so she needed this done and she's an heir herself, so who knows who was in her phone telling her to get this thing taken care of.

I don't think some crooked CEO getting double tapped is going to change the landscape of New York all that much.

nice zombieland reference

Murder in general, has the highest clearance rate of any crime. Largely because murder gets the largest amount of police resources than any other type of investigation. The other factor that generally helps is that it is the crime that gets the most public attention. The more public attention the crime gets also causes police forces to put in more resources, so they are synergistic factors.
Of course a case with large national and international attention is going to get more police resources. Of course a case with this level of press and attention is much more likely to generate helpful civilian leads to help solve the case faster. There is no one way every murder case in America could possibly get the exact same amount of attention that this one did. Individual murders would literally have to be the only thing anyone ever talked about.

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From a Hilton in Midtown Manhattan
Fled a boy with a Big Mac in his hand
ANd his daring life of crime
Made him a legend in his time
As he sang Delay Deny Disband...

Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, was Ivy League graduate who appears to have written about Unabomber online | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/luigi-mangione-what-we-know-monday/index.html)

From a wealthy family. Smart kid, valedictorian and went to Ivy. Liked to read and post reviews. CNN article didn't have anything on his political leanings.

Had childhood chronic back pain spondylolisthesis, aggravated by surfing accident. Suffered from brain fog (?). Lyme disease.

Unabomber fan ...

“It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless(ly) write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out,” Mangione wrote in a review of the book in January. “He was a violent individual – rightfully imprisoned – who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.”

In his review, Mangione also shared thoughts someone else had written about Kaczynski in a Reddit thread, quoting a commenter who had described his acts as “war and revolution,” saying that he “had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere” and that “‘Violence never solved anything’ is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.”

Not sure what to think. Doesn't seem to fit (my) profile of a cold-blooded killer. He had health issues, but you'd think his family had enough wealth to take care of it. I think there is something missing linking him to why UHC?

I think he had a chronic back problem, was in a lot of pain, and had been screwed by insurance companies most of his life. Even if you have some family money, it's not going to cover medical costs in this country.

A lot of people do not appreciate how big of an impact chronic pain can have on you, until you deal with it. From mental health, drug addiction, exercise, and career-related things, down to doing things like dressing or putting on shoes or maintaining hygiene to even using the bathroom without extreme pain or discomfort. And money and/or access to treatment can help, but very often isn't enough to alleviate it.

Murder in general, has the highest clearance rate of any crime. Largely because murder gets the largest amount of police resources than any other type of investigation. The other factor that generally helps is that it is the crime that gets the most public attention. The more public attention the crime gets also causes police forces to put in more resources, so they are synergistic factors.
Of course a case with large national and international attention is going to get more police resources. Of course a case with this level of press and attention is much more likely to generate helpful civilian leads to help solve the case faster. There is no one way every murder case in America could possibly get the exact same amount of attention that this one did. Individual murders would literally have to be the only thing anyone ever talked about.


I think rape clearance rates are slightly higher (although that's just on those reported). It's still comically low and an embarrassment to the profession. The city isn't very good at solving crimes.

I think this stuff is bad for business in a city too but I guess
$6 billion a year isn't enough.

Exclusive | NYC rapists could be roaming free after cops' rape kits fail: sources (https://nypost.com/2023/12/02/metro/nyc-rapists-could-be-roaming-free-after-cops-rape-kits-fail-sources/)

Clearance rate for murder is double that for rape. Again, murder gets more attention, which helps in both securing more resources and getting more people willing to give evidence. Rape is much harder in general because it is way less likely to receive as much publicity, and the fact the victim is not named means even people that might be interested to help may not even know they saw something useful.
That is not to say there also isn't systematic problems in how rape is dealt with. Most rape cases are acquaintance rape, and that's even though that is the type most under-reported.So it is not even a matter of not knowing who. It is getting enough evidence to win the case.

Are you looking nationally or just citywide? You're right that murder is slightly higher than rape it looks like. I was looking at data from a few years ago which might have been skewed because it appears they got a huge grant to test old rape kits and that closed a lot of cases.

Both are still pretty low in New York compared to the rest of the country.

In the ultimate irony, the mcdonalds employee has been denied the 60K prize money because he did NOT report the shooter to crimestoppers.

Looks like last year, murder clearance rate in NYC was 47 percent, and rate was 39. That is off the national average which is 57% for murder and 29% for rape. It fluctuates depending on what is going on. New York has among the lowest major crime rates versus other major cities in the country.

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I thought it was some old guy at the McDonalds who reported it? He gave an interview on TV.

Manifesto got leaked.

“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

It's a lot less romantic of an outcome for it to turn out to be a disaffected, rich kid with a Unabomber fetish/personality disorder than the heartbroken family member driven to murder by the harrowing death of a loved one.

The social media equivalent of the fired up capacity crowd leaving silently with 5 minutes left on the clock in the fourth quarter happening on whichever platform you want to look at right now.

It's a lot less romantic of an outcome for it to turn out to be a disaffected, rich kid with a Unabomber fetish/personality disorder than the heartbroken family member driven to murder by the harrowing death of a loved one.

The social media equivalent of the fired up capacity crowd leaving silently with 5 minutes left on the clock in the fourth quarter happening on whichever platform you want to look at right now.
And that's just more of a confession with a reason than a manifesto. You expect something a bit longer for a manifesto.

He should have consulted with Conner Stallions first.

So was he just waiting at the mcdonalds to get caught then? Was that a backup plan? Has he flipped his lid?

Cheeto will demand martial law to protect all rich people. All rich people will be able to use poor people as shields. It is illegal for poor people to live if rich people die. It is illegal to be poor.

In the ultimate irony, the mcdonalds employee has been denied the 60K prize money because he did NOT report the shooter to crimestoppers.

I did not know that there was a specific procedure for collecting the reward. Like, this guy is a fugitive and the definition of armed and dangerous, but sure, let me make sure to call Crimestoppers instead of 911 when I spot him while at work. That will encourage people to first make sure the armed dude is neutralized/captured and second reward them for doing my part to keep the public safe.

That is not completely the case. Only $10k is from Crimestoppers. The other $50k is from the FBI. The wistleblower may not get the Crimestopper money (though they might), they can still possibly get some or all the FBI money. That doesn't pay out until the guy is convicted, though. It might be a long wait.

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Well, I'm talking about any money from Crimestoppers. What a stupid fucking rule that is in an active, fugtive-at-large situation. I get the general "Jane Doe was murdered 6 months ago and Crimestoppers will pay $10K for any information to help police move the investigation forward," but in a true public endangerment situation, that's absurd.

McD's will probably claim the rest of the reward because he was on the job anyway. Or maybe they'll write him up for using his personal phone on the clock.

Who has eyebrows for days that could play him in the TV movie?

I did not know that there was a specific procedure for collecting the reward. Like, this guy is a fugitive and the definition of armed and dangerous, but sure, let me make sure to call Crimestoppers instead of 911 when I spot him while at work. That will encourage people to first make sure the armed dude is neutralized/captured and second reward them for doing my part to keep the public safe.

actually that was just something i saw someone post on reddit and thought it was funny. If it's on reddit IT MUST BE TRUE!

Who has eyebrows for days that could play him in the TV movie?

The answer is obvious ...

The Franco brothers, James and David, will star in “The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room,” a drama about Tommy Wiseau’s cult favorite “The Room.”

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Well, I'm talking about any money from Crimestoppers. What a stupid fucking rule that is in an active, fugtive-at-large situation. I get the general "Jane Doe was murdered 6 months ago and Crimestoppers will pay $10K for any information to help police move the investigation forward," but in a true public endangerment situation, that's absurd.

McD's will probably claim the rest of the reward because he was on the job anyway. Or maybe they'll write him up for using his personal phone on the clock.

It's not well known but Crime Stoppers is an enormous scam. They raise money as a non-profit and get enormous government grants. Almost never pay out rewards and it's just a slush fund for the people running it.

True story

The asterisks and work arounds to not pay out rewards is a known laugh for those in law enforcement


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It's not well known but Crime Stoppers is an enormous scam. They raise money as a non-profit and get enormous government grants. Almost never pay out rewards and it's just a slush fund for the people running it.

Is it run by the KARS 4 KIDS people?

A little weird he's only charged with 2nd degree murder (right now).

The next steps in Luigi Mangione’s case and why his most serious charge is only second-degree murder | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-ceo/index.html)
Under New York state law, a first-degree murder charge only applies to a narrow list of aggravating circumstances — for example, when the victim is a judge, police officer, first responder, or when the killing involves a murder-for-hire or intent to commit terrorism, several legal experts told CNN.

In Mangione’s case, he could be charged with first-degree murder if the investigation uncovers evidence showing he had a plan to commit terrorism, such as plotting the killing of other health insurance executives, said David Shapiro, a lecturer at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

If convicted of second-degree murder, Mangione faces at least 15 years to life in prison, while a first-degree murder charge carries a minimum of 20 years to life in prison.

They did charge him with First Degree murder. As well as Second Degree with an Act of Terrorism. They added seven weapons charges and using a forged document.

lol at the terrorism charge

He hired a big city lawyer tho. She'll get him down to community service

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable (https://www.yahoo.com/news/shock-poll-41-percent-young-165627587.html)

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable (https://www.yahoo.com/news/shock-poll-41-percent-young-165627587.html)

Another 29% are probably "I don't condone it, but I understand it"

Well, 40% found it unacceptable, so you're category is capped at around 19%.

lol at the terrorism charge

What UHC does to its customers seems more fitting of the terrorism description, to be honest.

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable (https://www.yahoo.com/news/shock-poll-41-percent-young-165627587.html)

What the hell is the word "voters" doing in there? That's a sham of a sentence.

Because they used a list of registered voters.

Anyone else noticed how schizo Reddit is about Mangione? Anytime he does anything or appears anywhere, they treat him like the Messiah. But then there will be something random about him and all the comments are about how he is a patsy.

How does that work? How can he be some mastermind freedom fighter while also being the person who didn't do it and is taking the fall?

Mangione is the left's Eric Rudolph.

I think it's 2 things.

1) A lot of people have been fucked over by insurance companies and they view the murder as justified and him as a hero.

2) It's pretty clear the government found him using illegal methods and they don't think he can receive a fair trial. The amount of resources they put into the investigation shows how rigged the justice system is.

Meanwhile in France...

https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/571843/french-tesla-dealership-torched-anarchist-group-proclaimed-offensive.webp?w=736&f=79c0ca34c3a4a41630ee37d7c571d5e7

Yeah, France has a certain history with rich types…

Anyone else noticed how schizo Reddit is about Mangione? Anytime he does anything or appears anywhere, they treat him like the Messiah. But then there will be something random about him and all the comments are about how he is a patsy.

How does that work? How can he be some mastermind freedom fighter while also being the person who didn't do it and is taking the fall?

It's almost as if the internet is comprised of millions if not billions of individuals and not a single hive mind!