I think this is an appropriate way to open this thread.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excited about another season but it’s time to reveal after my 33rd NFL draft in April, I made a decision to step away from ESPN and focus on my health, family and faith.<br>The gratitude and humility is overwhelming.<br>It’s not a classic retirement. I’ll still be here talking ball.…</p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1699096920424165655?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He has always been one of the best. We came close to losing him, and I hope stepping away helps keep him around for longer.

I am both incredibly excited and incredibly nervous about this upcoming season...

Hope I'm wrong but it seems like my beloved Cards are already playing for the #1 pick. No idea if Murray will be back this season or not and how he will play after the injury. So yeah? football is back for me

Hope I'm wrong but it seems like my beloved Cards are already playing for the #1 pick. No idea if Murray will be back this season or not and how he will play after the injury. So yeah? football is back for me


Yeah, I've already read multiple articles that treat the Cardinals as if they're tanking before the season has even started.

Yeah, I've already read multiple articles that treat the Cardinals as if they're tanking before the season has even started.

Same. It's like they're playing Madden, made their trade during the draft for Houston's first and third round picks, and now just plan to sim this season to get to next year's draft where they have all of that juicy draft capital and start building the franchise anew.

We've all been there.

I remember back around the start of the 2017 season, I was wondering "where are all the good young quarterbacks?". I may have even made a post about it on here somewhere.

We were nearing the end of an era of great quarterbacks; Peyton had retired, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Roethlisberger all had a limited window left. Rodgers wasn't that much younger. Guys like Matt Ryan and Stafford were kind of in that next age group but also weren't getting any younger. Even Luck, who seemed like the heir to the mantle was turning 28 and showing some durability issues.

In terms of young quarterbacks, neither Wentz nor Goff looked very good in their rookie seasons. Winston and Mariota each had two years under their belts and also didn't scream superstar or potential HOFer. Not much needs to be said about Blake Bortles. Derek Carr was coming off a great year and was arguably the best young quarterback.

As for the 2017 draft class itself, the Bears were already getting a lot of flack for reaching on Trubisky and as much as everyone else apparently saw it, not being a college football fan myself, I didn't foresee Patrick Mahomes being what he was.

The lack of future superstar or Hall of Fame level quarterbacks was glaring and I really wondered what the NFL would look like once Brady, Brees, et al all retired. It seemed like there was a dearth of future QB talent and we were destined for an era of mediocre signal callers.

What a difference six years makes. Mahomes became the biggest star in the league and is currently the same age as Luck was back then. Mahomes is also the elder stateman of a group that includes Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Hurts, Lamar and Lawrence. When you factor in guys like Watson, Tua, Murray, and Fields, as well as the potential of a lot of other young guys, the amount of young quarterback potential is overwhelming.

It's a great time to be a football fan and the future is way brighter than I anticipated back in 2017.

I wonder who is going to blink first on Stafford. This Rams team is going to mega suck. They have all of their high picks. Stafford has a guarantee of 31 million on his 2024 salary. Trading him dumps 55.5m dead money into their 2024 cap I believe. It’s a lot, but Stafford was already going to count at 49.5m anyways.

Pats-Mac Jones is on a super hot seat
Washington-Surely Sam Howell isn’t the move. Stafford is a classic Redskins type move
Atlanta-might grow tired of Ridder quickly.
Dolphins-Tua will break again I’m sure
Unknown injury team ?- if someone good has a QB injury early, I can’t see punting the season.

I wonder who is going to blink first on Stafford. This Rams team is going to mega suck. They have all of their high picks. Stafford has a guarantee of 31 million on his 2024 salary. Trading him dumps 55.5m dead money into their 2024 cap I believe. It’s a lot, but Stafford was already going to count at 49.5m anyways.

Pats-Mac Jones is on a super hot seat
Washington-Surely Sam Howell isn’t the move. Stafford is a classic Redskins type move
Atlanta-might grow tired of Ridder quickly.
Dolphins-Tua will break again I’m sure
Unknown injury team ?- if someone good has a QB injury early, I can’t see punting the season.
Stafford would be a terrible fit in Atlanta.

Making a record of my random predictions:

Super Bowl: Bengals over Cowboys

MVP: Joe Burrow

Favorite Long Shot Super Bowl Pick: Ravens (+2000)

Some Teams to Finish Under their Vegas Win Projections: Chiefs (11.5), Bills (10.5), Eagles (11.5)

Atlanta will get a top 2 seed in the NFC.

Thing I most want to see: Jahmyr Gibbs and Jack Campbell win OROY and DROY, and Dan Campbell gives the most sarcastic press conference of all time talking about how he read all the criticism of the picks by the smart writers, but the Lions just wanted to draft good football players and maybe that's old-fashioned, but they're just an old-fashioned team.

Superbowl- Chiefs over Eagles

MVP- Mahomes

Longshot MVP/Superbowl Trevor Lawrence/ Jags

Not doing win totals because I quit betting on sports.

This also seems like a good season to tank for a QB. The recent CBS mock had six going in the first round. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye look like top of the draft types and then Bo Nix seems like he's in a tier between those two and some of the other guys. Penix is a guy that I could see slipping to playoff (or borderline playoff team) due to his medical history, but he is in his 6th year and has been really good when healthy. And then you have Shedeur, who obviously needs a few more games against top notch competition, but looked great last week and CBS has him going to the 49ers in the 1st round.


2024 NFL Mock Draft: Shedeur Sanders to 49ers, six total QBs from loaded class land in Round 1 - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-shedeur-sanders-to-49ers-six-total-qbs-from-loaded-class-land-in-round-1/)

I saw that Jeff Blake has earned a reputation as a great QB coach and Sanders has been one of his students.

Caleb Williams' dad is already making noise about him returning for another year if the draft order doesn't shake out the way he wants. Doubtful, but with NIL it isn't as crazy as it used to be.

I don’t see it either, but why not maintain some leverage and control over the situation.

Yes, NIL is a thing but it’s not making up the difference if he shreds his knee at the combine and slips 20 spots in the draft or worse. If he’s healthy and still the no doubt number one pick I can’t imagine it’s a particularly difficult decision in reality.

You would have to be really principled to try to pull that off. Williams is estimated to be getting between $2.5-3M in NIL this year, coming off a Heisman winning season and playing in one of the largest markets in the country. Bryce Young, as the #1 pick this year, got a $24.6M signing bonus and is fully guaranteed to get $38M. That is a change in stratospheres.

Caleb Williams' dad is already making noise about him returning for another year if the draft order doesn't shake out the way he wants. Doubtful, but with NIL it isn't as crazy as it used to be.

Well, if the Rams suck with a broken Stafford, it's worth trying almost anything to get to LA over Arizona. Try the Eli approach rather than going back to USC and pull a Matt Leinert.

Yeah I think that would be the scenario. It’s just leverage to try and force his way to a team he wants, the chances of him passing that money up is basically 0.

Jb?

The largest payout on a single Super Bowl bet nationwide at Caesars Sportsbook is on the Raiders. A bettor in Las Vegas wagered $20,000 to win $800,000 on the Raiders at 40-1 odds.

Washington-Surely Sam Howell isn’t the move.

Hearing quite a splash of galaxy brain takes out there (not local DC people, national/fantasy people) that Howell is indeed the move for them, and that we'll all believe mid-season that they do have their guy now.

This also seems like a good season to tank for a QB. The recent CBS mock had six going in the first round. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye look like top of the draft types and then Bo Nix seems like he's in a tier between those two and some of the other guys. Penix is a guy that I could see slipping to playoff (or borderline playoff team) due to his medical history, but he is in his 6th year and has been really good when healthy. And then you have Shedeur, who obviously needs a few more games against top notch competition, but looked great last week and CBS has him going to the 49ers in the 1st round.


2024 NFL Mock Draft: Shedeur Sanders to 49ers, six total QBs from loaded class land in Round 1 - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-shedeur-sanders-to-49ers-six-total-qbs-from-loaded-class-land-in-round-1/)

And the only one of those I think has much chance of being a viable NFL QB starter (past the games they're given soley due to a wasted draft pick) is Williams.

Drake Maye could be good. But Penix and Nix are like if Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden went top 10. They look good because they've been there forever and are in their prime against kids.

Lions fans who have hope are just so adorable at this time of year.

Anyone know where Dr Sak is going to be reffing this weekend?

Anyone know where Dr Sak is going to be reffing this weekend?

Buccs-Vikings

He is on Scott Novaks crew

Week 1 referee assignments – Football Zebras (https://www.footballzebras.com/2023/09/week-1-referee-assignments-2023/)

Lions fans who have hope are just so adorable at this time of you.

For practically my entire football fandom life the Lions have had to account for a Hall of Fame QB in Green Bay (not you Don Majkowski) and I'll be highly invested in seeing how that aspect turns out.

Football games on streaming sucks. At least have some talking heads on where the commercials are supposed to be. The place card screen is boring.

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lol at announcers putting a pause between the first and last name so they don't accidentally say Clar Cunt.

I am so proud of my timing. I turned on the game just as the kicker began his run up to kicking off the game. Not even a second of pregame coverage. Yay me!

Burrow gets his extension and gets 219 mil guaranteed over five years. Just 188 mil more in guaranteed money than the past Bengals record.

Going for it on their own 17 was crazy, but it worked.

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We spend so much time thinking about football analytically. And then a coach runs an aggressive fake punt and it just changes everything. It is easy (at least for me) to forget much emotion is still in this game.

I really hope that putting mics on parents in the stands does not become a trend.

Has there ever been an NFL head coach more likable than Campbell?

Hey, rookie, that's the easiest six points of your career, and it's almost three quarters old.

Twitter tells me that I should probably say something like "Matt Nagy, ladies and gentlemen" right about now

So since my Cards are going to suck this season, can I jump on the Lions bandwagon?

That was a really good opening game.

So since my Cards are going to suck this season, can I jump on the Lions bandwagon?

Yes! Welcome aboard, my friend! As a Cardinals fan, you have the bonafides.

Victory!!!!

1-0!

Fun fact: last time the Lions won their first game of the year was 2017. What happened that year? Same thing that happened last year. They won 9 games and missed the playoffs. Go figure.

Also is it even possible to be a Cardinals fan (Lions fan is even worse of course)? At a certain point, aren't you a sufferer or endurer or tolerator or something like that?

I’m hoping the Lions have a great season. As an IU football fan, I know it is draining to root for a perpetual loser.

There's another franchise that has the honor, though, because it's all self-inflicted and the team is often decent, with terrible quarterback play.

Leading Passer for the season:

2008 - Derek Anderson
2009 - Brady Quinn (first-round pick in 2007)
2010 - Colt McCoy (third-round pick in 2010)
2011 - McCoy (the only two-time contestant on this decade-long game show)
2012 - Brandon Weeden (first-round pick in 2012)
2013 - Jason Campbell
2014 - Brian Hoyer (Johnny "Football" Manziel was their first-round pick in 2014)
2015 - Josh McCown (one of the eleven teams that employed him over a long career)
2016 - Cody Kessler (third-round pick in 2016)
2017 - DeShone Kizer (second-round pick in 2017, this led to the second 0-16 season in NFL history)

Record over these ten seasons: 38-122. Kizer has the distinction of most career quarterback starts (15) in modern history without ever winning a game.

2018 - Baker Mayfield (first overall pick in 2018)

Hey, stability! A playoff appearance in his third year and what looked like a breakout. But he got hurt and management turned on him like he wrecked his shoulder and tried to play through it just to spite them. Which meant Jacoby Brissett and another guy who may or may not make an impact this year.

But Lions... one playoff victory in the last 65 seasons. And Cardinals... last championship was in 1947 - two franchise moves removed from today.

At least the Cardinals have had some good teams, and even made a Super Bowl appearance with Kurt Warner. It's definitely between Detroit and Cleveland for the long-suffering crown.

I give it the Lions over the Browns. They're a notable honorable mention, but their playoff record in the Super Bowl Era is far better.

I wonder how the guy that got the "Chiefs 20-0" tattoo feels this morning

Lots of survivor pools went down last night

I've got JAX over IND in my survivor pool. I suspect I'm not the only one :-)

Yes! Welcome aboard, my friend! As a Cardinals fan, you have the bonafides.

Victory!!!!

1-0!


Go Lions! :)

Really good Xs and Os here:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There was a play last night where Amon-Ra St. Brown was wide open for a touchdown. I talked about:<br><br>��why he was so wide open<br>��why Jared Goff didn't throw him the ball<br>��what Matthew Stafford once did with a very similar look (in the playoffs) (to win the game) <a href="https://t.co/hkoXiHX5Vh">pic.twitter.com/hkoXiHX5Vh</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1700021130185060571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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When you talk about "speed of the game", that is a great example. It is not just the ability to progress your reads, but notice something that is not even in your reads.


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When you talk about "speed of the game", that is a great example. It is not just the ability to progress your reads, but notice something that is not even in your reads.

I wonder how much of this example is "game sense" versus how much is more physical, like something about their literal vision, how their eyes work/how well their eyes work?

I wonder how much of this example is "game sense" versus how much is more physical, like something about their literal vision, how their eyes work/how well their eyes work?
I don't think that is an either/or. I think how a QB handles the speed of the game is very much tied to how not only their eyes work but how fast they can translate that vision into action. Eyes, brain, react.

It is also the other side of Goff having such a low INT rate.

He plays within the offense and does not take crazy chances. So I think that you leave some plays like this on the table. But you also don't throw some picks that you would have thrown with a less disciplined style.

Considering how the Lions want to play, I think that they are fine with Goff not making that throw.

I don't think that is an either/or. I think how a QB handles the speed of the game is very much tied to how not only their eyes work but how fast they can translate that vision into action. Eyes, brain, react.

I guess my comment in my head was drilling it down to "okay, does a Stafford have ever so slightly wider peripheral vision than a Goff", like a literal physical difference that he's born with.

Or is that something that you train (I think that's a thing (?), consciously widening your field of view, something video gamer pros have worked on maybe?)

also a big difference between those two plays was that if Stafford had missed, they were going to overtime. A pick or incompletion there didn't have a big downside, but huge reward if he hit it. The Goff throw was to keep a drive alive, and avoid a punt or long 4th down attempt.

I guess my comment in my head was drilling it down to "okay, does a Stafford have ever so slightly wider peripheral vision than a Goff", like a literal physical difference that he's born with.

A physical difference seems quite possible: Peripheral vision varies from person to person, study says - UPI.com (https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/04/13/Peripheral-vision-varies-from-person-to-person-study-says/2391492105821/#:~:text=A%20new%20small%20study%20found,seeing%20things%20on%20the%20right).

Or is that something that you train (I think that's a thing (?), consciously widening your field of view, something video gamer pros have worked on maybe?)

In both video gaming and, well, war, there's a concept of tunnel vision / target fixation where people lose sight of what else is in their field of view because they're narrowed in on something, usually brought on by stress.

The NFL must be pleased with this one.

Lions-Chiefs opener averages 27 million viewers - NBC Sports (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/lions-chiefs-opener-averages-27-million-viewers)

Man. Imagine the numbers I’d all these goobers didn’t boycott the “woke” nfl.

The NFL must be pleased with this one.

Lions-Chiefs opener averages 27 million viewers - NBC Sports (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/lions-chiefs-opener-averages-27-million-viewers)

They can thank cord cutting because if everyone still had to have Directv and Dish they wouldn’t have had half that. 🤣 But seriously, this Nexstar standoff with everyone needs to end.

anyone else with direct tv not getting NFL Red zone?

Falcons defense looking good so far. Stymied a 4th and inches in the redzone, then a pick in the next drive. The Falcons pass blocking, though? Nightmarish.

Arizona's defense OTOH might as well be equipped with billyclubs.

The Cardinals are the new Dirty (hit) Birds

Touchdown Bijan!

And somebody get Chris Berman to do the highlight for the Bijan Robinson TD. "WHOOOP!" makes one guy miss. "BOOOM" has he runs through two arm tackles. "It's a TOUCHDOWN~!"

Kenny Pickett is not long for this league I don’t think. When you’ve seen that all off-season why wouldn’t you at least take a punt on Trey Lance.

Kenny Pickett is not long for this league I don’t think. When you’ve seen that all off-season why wouldn’t you at least take a punt on Trey Lance.


5-8 for 9 yards. Hah!

Why did Carolina challenge a catch that resulted in a 4th down?

There are some stinky stinky quarterbacks playing today.

And what a throw and catch in the Jax game

Titans got jobbed on that call. Should have been at least a fumble, and possibly a Fumble-Six!

Ridder with the three yards and a cloud of dust PASSING game (8-10, 24 yards)

The Falcons pass blocking has gotten worse, and I just didn't think that was possible. Just complete turnstiles. Not even slowing anybody up. I would love to see what Ridder could do if he didn't have a DL in his lap every play. Meanwhile, the Falcons DL still has zero ability to bother a quarterback. The plan to have a rush by committee is not working out.

First game, and the fact the starters only played one series in the whole preseason is showing.

*screams into the void*
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Panthers had four sacks and six hits on Desmond Ridder in the first half.<br>Falcons had no sacks and one hit on Bryce Young.</p>&mdash; Joe Person (@josephperson) <a href="https://twitter.com/josephperson/status/1700938123293737120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Jessie Bates has two picks today. It looks like they at least got that right.

And Bates with a forced fumble.

Taylor is starting the year pretty gutless. Twice now the Bengals should have gone for it and instead end up with no points.

dola

And first down run after first down run.

JK Dobbins torn Achilles. Dude can't stay healthy

That was an interesting call. Falcons punt, and a flag was thrown while the ball is in the air. The punt returner caught the ball inside the 5, runs side-ways and back to try to get clear, and a Falcons defender grabs him from behind and brings him down with a clear horse-collar. The penalty while the ball was in the air was a personal foul on the Panthers, blocking a player while out of bounds. The Refs call the ball down at the point of the tackle with offsetting penalties. Panthers end up with the ball on the one.

Pitts has been quite until this fourth quarter, and he just made an amazing catch inside the five.

Ridder's had more production than Joe Burrow today. People are going to get excited about the Browns defense now. Great coverage, and Garrett's a superstar out there with the pressure.

Ridder's had more production than Joe Burrow today. People are going to get excited about the Browns defense now. Great coverage, and Garrett's a superstar out there with the pressure.

The weather has clearly bothered Burrow, but this Cleveland defense does look legit. We're going to see a lot of hype and early reactions to Cleveland after this game.

The numbers aren't there, but Watson has looked like the old Watson. He's been quick and accurate with the ball. The weather and drops have killed his stat line.

Has it bothered him? This is lake-effect drizzle. It bothers the cameras more than the fans or the players. It's not even raining anywhere in the state. The Browns' DBs are sticking to good receivers like glue. It's been remarkable. Burrow's day is done - maybe the injury was limiting his mobility more than it looked like.

Has it bothered him? This is lake-effect drizzle. It bothers the cameras more than the fans or the players. It's not even raining anywhere in the state. The Browns' DBs are sticking to good receivers like glue. It's been remarkable. Burrow's day is done - maybe the injury was limiting his mobility more than it looked like.

He had a throw in the first half out to the flat that slipped out of his hand and was off by 20+ yards. He put a glove on his throwing hand right after that.

The Falcons getting this win after that second pick change the game. The defense actually started getting to Young, and Ridder got off some well timed passes.

That's up the quarterback whether he's comfortable with a glove. They all try them. But they have towels for a reason. If it's a problem, he should be communicating with the center about it. It's not wet enough out there that a center can't deliver a reasonably dry ball.

That was the first time ever I've seen a miss piggy hiiii-YA karate chop sack a quarterback

Interesting stat:
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Desmond Ridder is the first QB in the Super Bowl era to throw 0 INTs in his first 5 career starts.<br><br>He’s still never lost a home game in college or the NFL.</p>&mdash; Rise Up Ridder (@RiseUpReader) <a href="https://twitter.com/RiseUpReader/status/1700964363639644432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Anthony Richardson just got his bell rung. Welcome to the NFL, rook.

Scorigami!

https://twitter.com/NFL_Scorigami/status/1700972299787051130

The animation on the Fox info box is an excellent example of letting your art department get out of hand. That's already old, repetitive and annoying, and I'm only halfway through the first quarter of the first game. Not as bad as the glow-pucks on their hockey telecasts back in the '90s.

My Cards didn't get blown out, were ahead late in the game and could have won...so yeah?

Seems that Aaron Rodgers bequeathed his ownership of Soldier Field before he left Green Bay.

Roschon Johnson just became a fan favorite for the Bears.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="cy" dir="ltr">Roschon Johnson <a href="https://t.co/mnNq6drW92">pic.twitter.com/mnNq6drW92</a></p>&mdash; Richard (@baronesantation) <a href="https://twitter.com/baronesantation/status/1701003039799398448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think the Dolphins and Chargers need to switch cities. I can't remember the last time the stadium I will always call Joe Robbie Stadium was as loud as SoFi was after that TC by Tyreek Hill.

Waiting for the calls for the Bears to start Tyson Bagent.

Waiting for the calls for the Bears to start Tyson Bagent.

Getsy's playcalling this game has been atrocious. Up until the INT Fields had been on target with this throws and overall looks improved over last year. Ball placement was good, which he struggled with last year.

Running every single first down and then either another run or a screen/dumpoff on 2nd down gets rather predictable by this point in the 2nd half though.

Getsy's playcalling this game has been atrocious. Up until the INT Fields had been on target with this throws and overall looks improved over last year. Ball placement was good, which he struggled with last year.

Running every single first down and then either another run or a screen/dumpoff on 2nd down gets rather predictable by this point in the 2nd half though.

Before we crucify Getsy, I wonder how many open receivers Fields had downfield that instead wound up being those dump offs. I'm not convinced those were all just play calling.

edit: That said, I do agree, his playcalling has been substandard. But I can't put it all on him, 'cause I don't trust Fields to actually recognize what an open receiver is.

Damn that sucks for JK Dobbins.

I think Fields is going to lose receivers, as well. He doesn't seem to understand that when he throws high and there's a defender bearing down, it had better be worth it.

If Darnell Mooney limped back to the huddle at the end of the game and smacked Fields, it would have been understandable. The one at the end where he tweaked a knee or ankle was egregious - and far from the first time he did it to Mooney today.

Has there ever been an NFL kicker with zero kicks in college?

FFS....

Luckily the Bears should be in position to draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye if Fields doesn't work out.

He showed some progress last year, but I'm still in the "Fields will never be an effective NFL quarterback" camp. Nor will Jones, as I watch this debacle unfolding.

It sounds like Dad Williams is eagerly anticipating pulling an Eli of some sort. I thought the NFL handled the Eli situation very poorly, but it had been somewhat of a tradition (Elway did the same, and Jim Kelly did the USFL thing).

This is unwatchable

He showed some progress last year, but I'm still in the "Fields will never be an effective NFL quarterback" camp. Nor will Jones, as I watch this debacle unfolding.

It sounds like Dad Williams is eagerly anticipating pulling an Eli of some sort. I thought the NFL handled the Eli situation very poorly, but it had been somewhat of a tradition (Elway did the same, and Jim Kelly did the USFL thing).

Daniel Jones is a guy you have to scheme around and that results in running a very conservative offense that relies on him or someone else to bust a big play every now and then. He's a great example of a qb that gets coaches and front offices fired. He's just good enough to give you some hope but he's not good enough to win you very many games.

The Giants aren't close to contending and if their record last year reflected how they actually played Jones wouldn't have gotten a new contract. It'll be a miracle if Daboll survives Jones' extension.

For nearly 3 quarters Fields looked improved over last year. I want to see some all-22 breakdown, but he was accurate and was hitting guys in stride the few chances he had before shit went sideways. He wasn't doing that last year. Even when accurate he was awful with ball placement. Today, he was awful as soon as they Packers took an 18 point lead and he started forcing throws.

I'm curious to see how much of today was on Getsy's playcalling and how much was Fields.

For nearly 3 quarters Fields looked improved over last year. I want to see some all-22 breakdown, but he was accurate and was hitting guys in stride the few chances he had before shit went sideways. He wasn't doing that last year. Even when accurate he was awful with ball placement. Today, he was awful as soon as they Packers took an 18 point lead and he started forcing throws.

God, the bar is so low.

Keep in mind, "improved" still generated 100 yards in the air and a whole 6 points in the first half. That just doesn't cut it.

This is unwatchable

I strenuously disagree

God, the bar is so low.

Keep in mind, "improved" still generated 100 yards in the air and a whole 6 points in the first half. That just doesn't cut it.

In fairness, that was on 12 pass attempts because runs between the tackles are 60% of the offense.

Yes, the bar is low for bears QBs. Jay Cutler is our best qb ever and Johnny Morris, who retired in 1967, leads the franchise in receiving yads.

Based on what we know right now, we're drafting a qb this upcoming draft. Fields needs to clearly establish he's the guy or it's time to move on. If he hasn't established that by midseason it's time to get Bagent some starts.

Maybe time for the NFL to come up with some running clock rules, ala high school?

I've been trying to come up with an objective system for putting together a cross-era ranking of quarterbacks. I think I've made some progress. As long as I stick to not looking at anyone before the 1974 rule change about receiver contact. Before that, it wasn't the same game at all.

With the Bears, I'd say McMahon by a mile. Both because of numbers and the title. Next is Harbaugh, Kramer, then Trubisky/Orton/Cutler grade out almost the same, but for very different reasons. Fields is ahead of Rex Grossman, though.

I'll also say that in my database, I have McMahon 59th overall.

Among retired players, it's Young, Montana, Brady, Staubach, Manning, but both Rodgers and Mahomes are slightly ahead of Young. This system does not count team wins or titles in any way.

Maybe they should let the Giants OL hold to their heart's content the rest of the way. Gotta be Tyrod time now, though. But I think I'm turning off the TV for the night.

Dallas seems to do this a lot - they look utterly unstoppable, and you wonder if this is the year they break through and reach the Super Bowl for the first time in nearly 30 years. And then something happens and they end up with a few strange losses at the worst time.

Do you get a lot of respect for taking all the hits if you don't play in the following games because you took all those hits?

For nearly 3 quarters Fields looked improved over last year. I want to see some all-22 breakdown, but he was accurate and was hitting guys in stride the few chances he had before shit went sideways. He wasn't doing that last year. Even when accurate he was awful with ball placement. Today, he was awful as soon as they Packers took an 18 point lead and he started forcing throws.

I'm curious to see how much of today was on Getsy's playcalling and how much was Fields.You watched a different game than I did. Read this for more insight: https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/2023-nfl-week-1-time-is-running-out-for-bears-justin-fields/

And no Drake Maye, please. I don't want another QB from a non-football school like UNC. I've seen that movie before.

Yes, the bar is low for bears QBs. Jay Cutler is our best qb ever


With the Bears, I'd say McMahon by a mile. Both because of numbers and the title. Next is Harbaugh, Kramer, then Trubisky/Orton/Cutler grade out almost the same, but for very different reasons. Fields is ahead of Rex Grossman, though.

You're both wrong: it's Jim Miller. :D

With the Bears, I'd say McMahon by a mile. Both because of numbers and the title. Next is Harbaugh, Kramer, then Trubisky/Orton/Cutler grade out almost the same, but for very different reasons. Fields is ahead of Rex Grossman, though.


What if you separate good Rex and bad Rex?

Most interesting recalibration game of the week, for me, was Rams crushing Seahawks. Our one-season priors said it would go the other way. The longer arc suggested the Rams might be ok, and the Seahawks might be paper seagulls. I don't know what is right, but as a week one data point that's really interesting to me.

You're both wrong: it's Jim Miller. :D

I miss that guy.

To me, it was CIN/CLE

Was that a Week 1/Division Opponent/Bad Weather/Burrow off an Injury kind of fluke game?

Or is CLE better than I thought and CIN (a lot) worse than I thought?

To me, it was CIN/CLE

Was that a Week 1/Division Opponent/Bad Weather/Burrow off an Injury kind of fluke game?

Or is CLE better than I thought and CIN (a lot) worse than I thought?

yeah, I'm comfortable plugging that in, at least the Cinti side, as a fluke. Cleveland may indeed be better than we thought, particularly on defense, but I'm buying any dip on the Bengals offense, and I reckon nearly anyone would agree there.

The Bengals just seemed like they believed their own hype and weren't prepared in any facet of the game yesterday. They'll get better, but if they start 4-4 again they can't count on another 9 game win streak to close out the season.

You watched a different game than I did. Read this for more insight: https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/2023-nfl-week-1-time-is-running-out-for-bears-justin-fields/

And no Drake Maye, please. I don't want another QB from a non-football school like UNC. I've seen that movie before.

I don't think the article really changes anything or goes against what I said. He was accurate on the throws he made for roughly 3 quarters and from there was awful in every aspect. Accuracy and ball placement were improved over last year. The throws were mostly very conservative though. His first 12 throws were all where thry needed to be, the 2 incompletions he had at that point were a drop by Claypool and a TD saving breakup by Rasul Douglas.

Overall, though, it's not enough. He has to be better and if he doesn't get better quick it's time move on.

As for Maye vs Williams, Trubusky shouldn't come into the equation when evaluating Maye. It's a different coaching staff and he's a different player. PFF had him as the highest graded qb inside the pocket last year, and inside the pocket work tends to be what translates to the NFL. Williams' red flag, other than being another Lincoln Riley qb, is that he does most of his damage outside the pocket on plays he extends.

Right now I prefer Maye, but we also only have a year of film on him so far. The picture should clear up a bit after this year. I think they're both better than the top 3 options in this past draft.

I don't think Fields is good, but I still think he's a tough guy to evaluate given the circumstances. The offensive line is horrendous yet again. The Packers got pressure on 51% of the snaps, which is just unreal. Throw in the fact that their coaching staff is one of the worst in the league and it's hard to think of any young QB being able to excel in Chicago (just take a look at how their backups performed last season). I'd put him in the 20-30 range of QBs in the league where he could be good with the right conditions, but is not good enough to overcome bad ones.


With that said, he's not in the top 10 of issues the Bears have. Their coaching staff is horrendous and their GM has been a disaster through 2 seasons. They'll likely be losing 2 of their better players next season (Mooney, Johnson). It's just a bad situation that looks like it'll get worse before it gets better. Even if they win the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.

Looks like Disney/Spectrum/Charter reached an agreement on a new cable deal lo and behold 12 hours before Monday Night Football, and we have ESPN channels again.

Deadlines drive deals

As for Maye vs Williams, Trubusky shouldn't come into the equation when evaluating Maye. It's a different coaching staff and he's a different player. PFF had him as the highest graded qb inside the pocket last year, and inside the pocket work tends to be what translates to the NFL. Williams' red flag, other than being another Lincoln Riley qb, is that he does most of his damage outside the pocket on plays he extends.

Right now I prefer Maye, but we also only have a year of film on him so far. The picture should clear up a bit after this year. I think they're both better than the top 3 options in this past draft.For me it calls into question the level of competition that QBs like Maye play against. The ACC isn't exactly the SEC which is why a few years ago the Trubisky pick over Watson was just dumb. I see the same possible issue with Maye. It's a crapshoot anyway, but I've seen too much of Fields slow processing to know he is not a franchise QB. I just hope that the Bears don't win too many games and have to give up a ton of draft capital to move into a good draft position for 2024.

With that said, he's not in the top 10 of issues the Bears have. Their coaching staff is horrendous and their GM has been a disaster through 2 seasons. They'll likely be losing 2 of their better players next season (Mooney, Johnson). It's just a bad situation that looks like it'll get worse before it gets better. Even if they win the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.

Didn't they kind of go empty cupboard the last two seasons, though? Like, I feel they were bad by design and there's still another year or two of roster building to get to some semblance of respectability. Not sure if that's going to work out for them, but there you go.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to shit on Poles at all. He got handed a train wreck, he empty cupboard'd the team, and now he's got a shit ton of cap space, and at least 1, if not 2, high 1st rounders to play with next year.

I miss that guy.

So much hope after the 2001 season, to be buried with the decision to play all home games 3 hours away (though I suppose that was the nearest stadium of appropriate size).

I agree, however, that the lack of a NFL-quality roster does make it very difficult to evaluate Fields.

I'm pretty sure that if Miller or Orton had the '85 Bears Defense and Gault + Payton, they'd have had a good shot at a SB title. A ham sandwich at QB could have won the 85 title.

More than a third of the time Fields doesn't hand the ball off, the play ends with the ball in his hands. That's a little more than Lamar Jackson and 25% more than Jalen Hurts. Among quarterbacks with more than a season of being a starter, only Jackson, Fields and Tim Tebow are in that territory. That's the same Tebow who had to try baseball after Denver couldn't handle any more of his sub-50% completion percentage.

If you're going to go the Lamar Jackson route, you have to move the chains. Jackson completes more passes. And, maybe just as important, Jackson is sacked on 5.7% of those non-handoff plays and Fields is sacked on 10.2%.

He's amazingly good at making defenders miss, but, as we saw yesterday, he doesn't have a great sense of the rush. If you get to him quickly, you get him. Jackson knows how to handle the rush. All those extra backwards plays, a little less accuracy than Jackson. He's playing Jackson's game, but nowhere near as well.

I'm open to the possibility that the light could turn on, or maybe somehow we can keep blaming his teammates when the cap and the draft ensure they have some talent there - it's not like college. But I think Fields has failed and it's time to move on.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to shit on Poles at all. He got handed a train wreck, he empty cupboard'd the team, and now he's got a shit ton of cap space, and at least 1, if not 2, high 1st rounders to play with next year.

He used that cap space to sign linebackers, traded the 32nd pick in the draft for a year of Claypool, and had a pretty disastrous 2022 draft. And passing on Jalen Carter after he fell to them will haunt them for years to come. Not to mention how bad this coaching staff has looked.

The cupboard was empty last year (mostly Poles own doing), but they had $100 million in cap space and a bunch of draft equity. I didn't expect playoffs or anything, but you have to show some improvement with those kind of assets at your disposal.

I don't think the 2022 draft could be labeled a disaster when you landed at least 2 legit starters in Jones and Brisker. Gordon was awful last year but was coming off an ACL so this year should tell us more. Hicks would be a starter if they didn't have Jackson on a huge contract.

my Steelers looking good in the preseason

I also don't think Mooney is all that good. Probably a #3 on a good team and he was part of the problem last year. He was running the wrong routes and still stuck in Nagy's offense, running the Nagy route options, ect.
I haven't seen any reason to extend him.

Johnson is a solid 2nd corner but he struggles with speed and if he wants #1 corner money he can walk too.

I agree, however, that the lack of a NFL-quality roster does make it very difficult to evaluate Fields.Good QBs have done more with less. If you watch him on plays designed to go farther than five yards it takes him at least 1.5 seconds for him to analyze the defense. You can see him trying to process what he sees (or what he thinks he sees). By that time it's too late unless he gets four seconds to pass. And even then he's already thinking about running as he doesn't have good pocket sense. It won't happen but I would love to see what Bagent could do with the same roster. It's not like the Bears are a playoff team anyway. If Purdy can do it why not Bagent?

He used that cap space to sign linebackers, traded the 32nd pick in the draft for a year of Claypool, and had a pretty disastrous 2022 draft. And passing on Jalen Carter after he fell to them will haunt them for years to come. Not to mention how bad this coaching staff has looked.

The cupboard was empty last year (mostly Poles own doing), but they had $100 million in cap space and a bunch of draft equity. I didn't expect playoffs or anything, but you have to show some improvement with those kind of assets at your disposal.The LB signings and the drafting of two DTs puzzle me. The Claypool trade was a gamble that didn't pay off; can't really fault him. It's the O-line situation that really bugs me. Isn't that supposed to be his strength? I didn't mind passing on Carter. He's going to be suspended at some point early in his career and who needs a problem like that, especially with this coaching staff.

If Purdy can do it why not Bagent?

Because Purdy saw a significantly higher level of competition/defenses for his college career? Enough of a difference that it's not unreasonable to figure Bagent is several years behind Purdy in development

Because Purdy saw a significantly higher level of competition/defenses for his college career? Enough of a difference that it's not unreasonable to figure Bagent is several years behind Purdy in developmentI am not directly comparing the two but your argument is similar to mine regarding Mayes. UNC is no powerhouse but he's in the mix to be the first QB taken in the next draft. So you wouldn't draft him? I understand your point, but what do the Bears have to lose if they are 2-5 or 2-6 -- or worse!

The Ravens injury list is just brutal.

Before we crucify Getsy, I wonder how many open receivers Fields had downfield that instead wound up being those dump offs. I'm not convinced those were all just play calling.

edit: That said, I do agree, his playcalling has been substandard. But I can't put it all on him, 'cause I don't trust Fields to actually recognize what an open receiver is.

So I watched all-22 breakdown up until the fumble. It went to shit from there and I don't want to relive it.

I'd say Fields had 1 big miss on the 3rd pass play where Moore was open deep (would have been a gain of 20ish). He dumped off for a gain of 8 rather than being aggressive. He had another miss on Kmet (IIRC) over the middle against a zone that was somewhat iffy. I'd say understandable miss, but one you want. It wasn't his primary read and the window was closing when he got to it in the progression.

The other knock on Fields was the roll out into the sack near the goaline. That was absolute awful play design or someone didn't do what they were supposed to. However, Fields needs to get rid of it.

Outside of that, not a lot to complain about with Fields for those first 3 quarters. Tonyan had one of the worst misses on a block you'll see on the screen to Foreman. That would have been a big gain if he does anything. Claypool didn't break his route off on a CB blitz and just kept running his fly pattern. Mooney would have had a shot on a deep ball if he ran a better route on one of the plays, but allowed himself to get knocked off his route and swallowed up. Fields scrambled for a solid gain on that play. Overall, execution was bad. Not sure why DJ Moore wasn't more involved.

Nothing I saw in the all 22 really changes my mind. Getsy will have several nice play designs and then you see something stupid that makes no sense.

PFF mostly agrees. Gave him a 60.9 for the game overall. Likely had a decent grade before the fumble/int.

FWIW, Darnell Wright was the highest graded offensive player. Zach Pickens was the 3rd highest graded defensive player.

I am not directly comparing the two but your argument is similar to mine regarding Mayes. UNC is no powerhouse but he's in the mix to be the first QB taken in the next draft. So you wouldn't draft him? I understand your point, but what do the Bears have to lose if they are 2-5 or 2-6 -- or worse!

No, I wouldn't (I mean, not with an early pick). I've been unimpressed by Maye consistently and consider him an overrated future bust (if anybody actually drops an early pick on him)

Former Buccs and Bills WR Mike Williams was reported dead about a week ago, but now he's been upgraded to alive, and breathing on his own.

holy shit/ Rodgers is down and out of the game

Well this is awkward.

holy shit/ Rodgers is down and out of the game

They were on top of him every single play. the O line deserves to write an apology note to him

ankle, questionable return

ankle, questionable return

If it's a high ankle it could be a long season for the Jets. Gonna take several weeks to heal and an immobile Rodgers behind a struggling line is a bad combo.

There’s an ambient whistle near the microphone and it’s annoying

holy shit/ Rodgers is down and out of the game

So is Rodger's career in jeopardy?

Rodgers out

X-rays negative, but he'll miss a few weeks, sounds like.

We shouldn't be afraid to ask whether or not Rodgers not being vaccinated played a role in his injury.

Why is the buzz on Twitter that it is an Achilles tear? Was there some indication?

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What happened to the first week Monday night double header?

From Dr. Mark Adickes Former superbowl champ, now orthopedic doctor

https://twitter.com/jocktodoc/status/1701393310995320934

Aaron Rodgers injury appears to be either Lisfranc foot injury, ankle sprain or possibly even Achilles. Similar mechanism to JK Dobbins injury Sunday. Best case is ankle sprain. Will miss several weeks best case.

From Dr. Mark Adickes Former superbowl champ, now orthopedic doctor

https://twitter.com/jocktodoc/status/1701393310995320934

Aaron Rodgers injury appears to be either Lisfranc foot injury, ankle sprain or possibly even Achilles. Similar mechanism to JK Dobbins injury Sunday. Best case is ankle sprain. Will miss several weeks best case.

Linsfranc was my first thought when I saw how his foot planted. When they said ankle my assumption went to high ankle.

If it's Lisfranc, that's the season. I don't think he tries to hobble to the locker room if it's an Achilles. Hopefully, just an ankle sprain. Zach Wilson may have more fans because of Hard Knocks, but he's still Zach Wilson.

The PA announcer at MetLife with too hard on the nose music selection:

"Dream on" by Aerosmith

What happened to the first week Monday night double header?

Weeks 2/3/14 and week 16 is a Christmas triple header

If you’re a Jets fan - oof, what a bad start to a season with high hopes.

Could be achilles after all:

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1701409324944236724

MRI tommorrow

Jets gotta call Brady

Someone get the Jets a pass protection scheme before they get ANOTHER Jets killed.

Jets play Dallas next week. They're going to need more QBs.

If it's Lisfranc, that's the seaso.

Probably career at his age

Multiple Jets linemen better hear "Coach wants to see you, bring your playbook" after this traveshamockery

Probably career at his age

So you're saying his career is in Jeopardy?

Well, probably not. Ken Jennings keeps improving. To the point where I wouldn't be sad if Mayim Bialik were forever relegated to the celebrity version.

The fact the Jets are only down 7 shows how good this roster is

Zach Wilson was staring into the void after that last hit.

So you're saying his career is in Jeopardy?

Well, probably not. Ken Jennings keeps improving. To the point where I wouldn't be sad if Mayim Bialik were forever relegated to the celebrity version.

haha

It's funny, we have flooding all over the place here in MA, and every few minutes there's a beeping noise as new flood warnings and reports of flooding cause a new alert, and they usually happen like the alert beeps are just Aikman and Buck being censored

How's Jordan Whitehead's throwing arm?

Uhhhhhh

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Ok, Garrett Wilson with the amazingest catch. Props.

The Bills are not impressive tonight.

We all had Zach Wilson outplaying Josh Allen, right?

good lord what a catch

The most underrated part of that play was Allen Lazard almost kicking the ref in the face celebrating.

Let's be serious, we all want access to Buck and Aikman's mics when they're not live.. They're probably grousing at each other "Of course we gotta call another 10 minutes of this shit. Of course"

Oh my god. LOL Bills. Double fumble!

I'd still trade Kirk Cousins for you, Josh

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Let's be serious, we all want access to Buck and Aikman's mics when they're not live.. They're probably grousing at each other "Of course we gotta call another 10 minutes of this shit. Of course"

Who the fuck would want access to Joe Buck's mic whether he is live or not? That fact that that blowhole gets millions of dollars for being absolutely terrible at his job is an indictment on capitalism itself.

this game...

Doink

In the football world, there are two separate groups. One is the Jets, one is the Bills. These are their stories.

*DOINK DOINK*

Awesome!

Wowsers

NFL scriptwriters must not be on strike

Seems Gipson has the entire stadium delighted.

Yeah they missed that trip

Dola not a good look when the ref is staring it down.

Dola not a good look when the ref is staring it down.

They can always bring in VAR to check since it is a clear and obvious error.;)

This was not the result I was expecting when I saw Rodgers go out.

And they did confirm that they think it's the Achilles. Wilson will be the starter the rest of the year.

What a weird and fun game that was. Trying to think of who the Jets can bring in to be QB. That line is so bad that I think all the old guys would get wrecked. Rodgers should have had them sign some OL help instead of making sure his friends got paid.

Rodgers should have had them sign some OL help

It doesn't seem unreasonable to think there isn't much OL help to be had.

I mean, there doesn't seem to be a capable lineman across two New York franchises. You'd think between them they might find one if there wasn't a pretty severe shortage.

What a weird and fun game that was. Trying to think of who the Jets can bring in to be QB. That line is so bad that I think all the old guys would get wrecked. Rodgers should have had them sign some OL help instead of making sure his friends got paid.

I hear that there's a guy who might be waiting by the phone just in case a surefire playoff team needs a good QB. He may have been in the Boston area on Sunday for a thing. But that is just what I heard.;)

Matt Ryan?

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No one should celebrate an injury. That's a man's lively-hood and health and it shouldn't be joked about.........but good Lord are the meme's and Tik Tok's funny.

In addition to Tua and Tyreek, I'm also amazed at how well the Dolphins OL played, even without their best player (Armstead).

The Jets need a hero to return to save them

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/8664.png

How's Steve Deberg doing?

No one should celebrate an injury. That's a man's lively-hood and health and it shouldn't be joked about.........but good Lord are the meme's and Tik Tok's funny.

You are absolutely correct....however...

This might be the closest injury situation to be okay to laugh at that we can get. It is not an injury where his life was endangered or involved a gross visual break of some sort.. From what everyone who has had the injury has said, a ruptured Achilles involves an intense bit of pain for a few seconds then barely any pain at all. Next, Rodgers was the oldest active player in the league for the opening weekend and has already has his career for the most part. Finally, it's Rodgers, the Jets, the media, Jets fans and everything that has happened since the end of last season. This should be considered a minuscule sin.

Former Buccs and Bills WR Mike Williams was reported dead about a week ago, but now he's been upgraded to alive, and breathing on his own.

Former Bucs receiver Mike Williams, 36, dies (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2023/09/12/mike-williams-bucs-death-construction-accident/)

Very weird story that has come a sad end. I am not sure what was gained by some of the reporting of this story.

I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, but his injury turns the Jets into an interesting watch each week to something far, far less. As fun as it is to watch Zach Wilson do his thing from time to time, it's not compelling football.

Only four more nationally televised games for Zach Wilson!

Yeah, it's not exactly a Greek tragedy, but it does make them a less interesting watch and (Bills result nonwithstanding) another obstacle to the Patriots (and the rest of the division, but I really would only care about them beating the Patriots).

I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, but his injury turns the Jets into an interesting watch each week to something far, far less. As fun as it is to watch Zach Wilson do his thing from time to time, it's not compelling football.

Only four more nationally televised games for Zach Wilson!

Well, America survived Russell Wilson and Denver on constant prime time games last year.

Well, America survived Russell Wilson and Denver on constant prime time games last year.

Barely!

Don't forget, they can flex out a bunch of the stuff later in the season and probably will

edit: And yeah, despite the traditional New England-New York rivalry in all things sports, I do feel bad for Jets fans. So much hype, so much good thoughts, so much.. agony.

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1701628313880404089

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1701628313880404089
The reason he will attempt a come back. The Jets are going to force him to play or they send Tony Soprano to make sure he sleeps with the fishes.

So basically what the Saints went through with Brees on steroids

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1701628313880404089

https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/34720259.jpg

While I don’t take any pleasure in the injury and really sympathize with Jets fans, I hope it’s OK to cynically wonder if he will call up Joe Rogan and talk about natural ways to recover from a torn Achilles, or just maybe he will trust the doctors and follow the wisdom of the medical community now, y’know he’s in a situation that actually affects him and his health.

best lines from me and elsewhere regarding Aaron Rodgers forgetting to discount double check his Achilles...

1) Aaron Rodgers took four snaps in the game yesterday. Five if you count the Achilles tendon.

2) Someone else joked that the Jets are the only franchise to ever hire a hall-of-fame level head coach and never have him be the head coach for a single game, and to sign a Hall of Fame Level QB, and not have him complete a single pass (Belichick and Rodgers)

3) Speaking of Belichick, the only way this could have been worse is if Rodgers had pulled a Belichick and wrote "I resign as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin and handed it in before week 1.

Desmond Ridder is first in completions and second in quarterback rating in week one. Suck it, haters.





We won't talk about his yards per completion.

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I hear that there's a guy who might be waiting by the phone just in case a surefire playoff team needs a good QB. He may have been in the Boston area on Sunday for a thing. But that is just what I heard.;)

I think Brady is too smart to throw himself behind that offensive line. He made sure Tampa shored up that offensive line before going there.

Options are pretty grim. Carson Wentz I guess might be an upgrade if you can get him to be a game manager. I think Jameis would be pretty fun, although I don't think they want someone who will sling it that much. The other guys I see being thrown around are just too old and immobile to make it behind that line.

I do feel terrible for Jets fans because as a Bears fan, I've seen the scenario where you have an elite defense wasted because your QB is dogshit.

Back to the football part of the Rodgers injury, I see there were concerns about the O-line prior to last night. I am definitely Tuesday evening QB-ing here but it just seem too obvious. How can you put Aaron Rodgers behind an offensive line that received the third worst pass block grade from PFF last season without importing some established upgrades coming into a new season?

Options are pretty grim. Carson Wentz I guess might be an upgrade if you can get him to be a game manager. I think Jameis would be pretty fun, although I don't think they want someone who will sling it that much. The other guys I see being thrown around are just too old and immobile to make it behind that line.

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

How would they even pay Tom Brady? He is not going to come back and play without getting paid.

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I've always wondered what would happen if someone noticed that Jameis has shown improvement in his limited exposure in New Orleans and decided to give him a chance. Jameis with fewer risky deep balls might be more what people imagined when he was drafted.

How would they even pay Tom Brady? He is not going to come back and play without getting paid.

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They have 9 mil in cap space. They could offer a 2m base salary, 23 mil bonus, 4 voidable years. Incentives for playoff wins. They can get a deal done if they have 5-6M of available space.

Such a shame. and the pfizer vaccine protects against achilles tendon tears.

I hear Brady and Colin Kaepernick are dueling it out

I remember this happening to Trent Green when I HAD Green on my team.

oi the pain....

But then I got Kurt Warner to thank you jesus me

I don't think ANY of the current free agents are even possibilities. They need to make a trade if they actually want to contend. Otherwise the season is over or else just hope their current backup can do what he just did. And really he played the entire game and won so why not just let him do that. But looking ahead it might just be best to trade away any and all highpriced players they can and stock up on draft picks because of the crappy bloated vaporware called Rodgers

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

Wentz was released by 3 teams in 3 years. No thanks.

Brady would have to divest himself of his Raiders ownership stake, he ain't comin back.

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

Feel like McCoy isn't terrible. Not good by any means but someone who won't actively sabotage the team like Wilson.

I don't think ANY of the current free agents are even possibilities. They need to make a trade if they actually want to contend. Otherwise the season is over or else just hope their current backup can do what he just did. And really he played the entire game and won so why not just let him do that. But looking ahead it might just be best to trade away any and all highpriced players they can and stock up on draft picks because of the crappy bloated vaporware called Rodgers

Nobody is trading their starter at this point in the season - well maybe the Cards but you can’t get Murray under the cap if you wanted to although it would be amusing to have two injured QBs with the highest cap hits in the league I suppose.

Are backups any better than Wilson or Wentz? Maybe you hope Mariota can be a better version of Wilson or that you get OK Jameis rather than “fuck it I’m throwing downfield” Jameis, but I can’t see an obvious option that keeps them in contention. Wilson knows the offense and is supposedly showing signs of improvement, he’s almost certainly the guy and they will sign a veteran to backup.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF ARE WE DOING?<br>Hard to play QB like this.<br>Can't take sack.<br>Who knows wtf this is?<br>What is this?<br>85?<br>Disaster.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DaBears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DaBears</a><br>Full video: <a href="https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV">https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV</a> <a href="https://t.co/cPX7WQbCtS">pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS</a></p>&mdash; The QB School (@theqbschool) <a href="https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1701755070415602139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

Nobody is trading their starter at this point in the season - well maybe the Cards but you can’t get Murray under the cap if you wanted to although it would be amusing to have two injured QBs with the highest cap hits in the league I suppose.

Are backups any better than Wilson or Wentz? Maybe you hope Mariota can be a better version of Wilson or that you get OK Jameis rather than “fuck it I’m throwing downfield” Jameis, but I can’t see an obvious option that keeps them in contention. Wilson knows the offense and is supposedly showing signs of improvement, he’s almost certainly the guy and they will sign a veteran to backup.

I was more talking about trading for a #2 on a team that knows it isn't good.

Also...word is that the Jets have already talked to Kaeper's agent and it went no where. They aren't going for him. He's washed up at this point and no one will get him unless they want to sell tickets to the sideshow

Colin K. got screwed by the NFL, but he just isn't a viable option at this point. He's 35 and hasn't played in six seasons. He barely offers anything even as a third-string emergency QB.

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

Agreed

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF ARE WE DOING?<br>Hard to play QB like this.<br>Can't take sack.<br>Who knows wtf this is?<br>What is this?<br>85?<br>Disaster.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DaBears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DaBears</a><br>Full video: <a href="https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV">https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV</a> <a href="https://t.co/cPX7WQbCtS">pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS</a></p>&mdash; The QB School (@theqbschool) <a href="https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1701755070415602139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mentioned this play earlier. Either someone did the wrong thing or it was play design you shouldn't see at the NFL level. Either way, fields needs to just throw it away.

Watched some more of JT O'Sullivans breakdown. No surprises. Getsy was bad as an OC Sunday, execution was bad by several players, and Fields has to get better at aggressively taking the throws that are there down the field. Getsy really didn't have a good gameplan for Fields on Sunday though. Especially for the first game out the gate.

Sounds like they are going with Wilson as their dedicated starter and they've said there are no plans to contact brady

I really think Flacco is the guy they should bring in since he's been there before unless there were personal conflicts

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF ARE WE DOING?<br>Hard to play QB like this.<br>Can't take sack.<br>Who knows wtf this is?<br>What is this?<br>85?<br>Disaster.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DaBears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DaBears</a><br>Full video: <a href="https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV">https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV</a> <a href="https://t.co/cPX7WQbCtS">pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS</a></p>&mdash; The QB School (@theqbschool) <a href="https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1701755070415602139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CLOWN ROUTES!

:jester:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF ARE WE DOING?<br>Hard to play QB like this.<br>Can't take sack.<br>Who knows wtf this is?<br>What is this?<br>85?<br>Disaster.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DaBears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DaBears</a><br>Full video: <a href="https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV">https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV</a> <a href="https://t.co/cPX7WQbCtS">pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS</a></p>&mdash; The QB School (@theqbschool) <a href="https://twitter.com/theqbschool/status/1701755070415602139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm an OSU grad so I want Fields to succeed even though he's on the Bears. Maybe he's not an NFL QB but how can you tell if he's coached as poorly as everyone else on this play?

There was a thread on the Lions subreddit about what would it take to sell Bridgewater to the Jets. For me, it would have to be an offer that just knocks my socks off. Not saying I wouldn't ever do the deal, it would just have to be huge.

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

I had a similar thought a few days ago. I find myself watching and thinking about football differently than I did a few years ago. It's more analytical, more akin to the way I follow basketball.

As to the Bears, Sunday was horrible. Not just one player on offense had a bad game, most did. And it was a different issue each play. We rarely called a good play and had all of the players execute effectively. False start here. Missed block there. Passed up opportunity on another. Green Bay has a good defense, but the chances were there if we didn't shoot ourselves in the left foot then shoot the right foot while we're attending to the left.

The defense, where we should be hanging our hat, couldn't pressure Love and he made us pay. Not sure how that gets fixed with this line and this scheme. The most obvious answer is to blitz more, but do we have blitz packages in place to call more often?

I didn't agree with the sentiment that we would challenge for the NFC North title, but I did think we should win 6-7 games with improvements shown in all phases. Let's see where we are after 4 games.

You wonder how much trust there is in the group of quarterbacks who are always available on practice squads. The Jet version is Tim Boyle, who has thrown a remarkable eight interceptions in 106 career passes in this role. Boyle had beaten out Chris Streveler for the Jets' practice squad.

The Michigan board is excited because Hackett is connected to Chad Henne (hence the headline "Henne and the Jets", which would be fun). Henne is 38, though, and hasn't seen much action in years. He wasn't very good when he had his chance to start regularly long ago. It's been 36 years since a Michigan quarterback wasn't in the league, and it's likely J.J. McCarthy will stick next year, so continuity has a plus for them.

The Jets have a recent history with Flacco, who is also 38. Nick Foles, Colt McCoy and Trevor Siemian are presumably available backups with some history of playing.

I don't see the argument for Brady coming back. Kaepernick is "only" 35, but his game was more a running game and it's rare for running quarterbacks to still be effective at that age. He's been out of the game a long time, too. There's a difference between staying in shape and football shape. And could the team handle the media aspect - there would be a lot of pressure to bench Wilson at the first sign of weakness, which probably won't take long.

I wouldn't expect a trade. Winston might be the most intriguing name, but New Orleans just saw the guy they drafted in the fourth round suspended. But if Wilson really fails, someone could shake loose for a low pick.

best lines from me and elsewhere regarding Aaron Rodgers forgetting to discount double check his Achilles...

1) Aaron Rodgers took four snaps in the game yesterday. Five if you count the Achilles tendon.

2) Someone else joked that the Jets are the only franchise to ever hire a hall-of-fame level head coach and never have him be the head coach for a single game, and to sign a Hall of Fame Level QB, and not have him complete a single pass (Belichick and Rodgers)

3) Speaking of Belichick, the only way this could have been worse is if Rodgers had pulled a Belichick and wrote "I resign as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin and handed it in before week 1.

How bout this killer take?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> RB OJ Simpson speaking about the Aaron Rodgers injury:<br><br>“9/11 is just a bad day for New York.”<br><br>This is a new low. <a href="https://t.co/zWHvu2Ii5j">pic.twitter.com/zWHvu2Ii5j</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1701997286564192299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What's Tim Tebow doing?

I mentioned this play earlier. Either someone did the wrong thing or it was play design you shouldn't see at the NFL level. Either way, fields needs to just throw it away.

Watched some more of JT O'Sullivans breakdown. No surprises. Getsy was bad as an OC Sunday, execution was bad by several players, and Fields has to get better at aggressively taking the throws that are there down the field. Getsy really didn't have a good gameplan for Fields on Sunday though. Especially for the first game out the gate.
I think this is really a simple play that 85 missed his assignment. He was supposed to block the free man on the edge, but instead moved to the second level. It was a run/pass option that with that guy blocked gave Fields choices. With him coming on touched, the play was blown.

Yeah, I think that's a decent take on it. He acted like he was going to stay in to help block, didn't pick up anybody, then floated downfield without really running a route (but sort of hovered near the linebacker, accomplishing I don't know what). I don't know if he expected the backer to come so he didn't pick up the guy on the outside or wtf he was doing.

Or safety maybe. I don't know anymore without any number rules.

Fields relies too much on his athletic ability in those plays. Granted, it served him very well last year. It's also why he takes questionable sacks. In that play, the QB thing to do is throw it away. For a playmaker, you think you're going to make that guy miss and be able to make a play. When you do, it's glorious. When you don't, you get severely questioned. Can you even teach someone with that kind of ability to throw it away when he could and has gotten away and made big plays consistently?

Stetson Bennett has been put on the non-football injury reserve list. Sean McVay would not disclose the reason saying they will keep it in-house. Rehab?

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