And so it begins....

happy to see a lot of the contestants although I wouldn't call some of them gamechangers...

Happy to see Malcolm, Sandra, Sierra, VARNER!, Cirie, Zeke, Makayla!

I think the producers finally figured out not to put obnoxious people on the show that people hate. :)

So no Boston Rob, Philip, Russell, Johnny Fairplay.

Granted Debbie is on the show...


Really surprised no Richard Hatch...maybe he's banned.
I think Johnny was banned perhaps...and russell too baby to get voted out again.

Gonna be a funny season anyway.

Only halfway through so far.

That Tony guy is so weird....hahaha

cool aubry is there too


was worried for michaela .

she barely did anything

really glad tony is gone altho i wish we could have seen him in his little cubbyhole once hahaha.

They really F'ed ciera hard. all she said was the EXACT same thing they all said.

I hope Sandra is next really. Such a troll she is now.

Fun two parter. I'm hit or miss on a lot of this cast, but fine with the results so far.

Low key rooting for Michaela...

Low key rooting for Michaela...

As well but she can be her worst enemy as she wears the emotions for all to see.

As well but she can be her worst enemy as she wears the emotions for all to see.

Another thing I'm realizing is that she never really makes allies. She just kinda sits around and hopes nobody goes against her.

I really hope she gets her stuff in gear this time. SHe's fun to watch.

Buffswap coming already.

I have never remembered Troyzan from any of his previous seasons except for his name. But I really like him. Nice idol snag!

Sandra is just gross.

Dumb Tai....dumb. You just gave away your alliance.

I have never remembered Troyzan from any of his previous seasons except for his name. But I really like him. Nice idol snag!

Sandra is just gross.

Dumb Tai....dumb. You just gave away your alliance.

Troyzan has only been on one season before, when Kim won. He was a jackass that season, but I like him much more so far here.

I don't think Sandra was gross. She was hungry.

What could Tai do? It was a 5-1 vote. If he voted differently, it is 4-2. Caleb still goes home.

Troyzan has only been on one season before, when Kim won. He was a jackass that season, but I like him much more so far here.

I don't think Sandra was gross. She was hungry.

What could Tai do? It was a 5-1 vote. If he voted differently, it is 4-2. Caleb still goes home.

He could have made an argument, a very easy one, to get rid of Hali. Everyone else was already happy with Hali going home too.

I will never be hungry enough to kill baby animals. She's just bossyboots.
Mememe

She's like...become Russell somehow...:P

Russell hid the machete, burned people's socks, lied about surviving Hurricane Katrina, and was just generally nasty to people. Sandra is nothing like that.

She argued for killing and eating the goat, then gave in the majority of the group when they didn't want to do that. Comparing that to Russell is absurd.

As for Tai, he did try to make that argument. They showed several conversations he had in the episode where he made an argument for keeping Caleb. In the end, the group was going with voting out Caleb and he agreed instead of wasting his vote.

That was one heck of a tribal council this week.

That was one heck of a tribal council this week.
One of the best ever. Not happy with the result.

I don't get why they targeted Siera.

Sandra is so wrong so often.

1 of the 2 people I really liked is now gone :(

And I saw it coming as soon as they were showing confessionals from the side.

so bad.

what was that with JT. seriously. I don't understand his move at all.
I somewhat feel even he didn't complete his move.

he could have easily told them to vote sandra.

I don't particularly understand hali either.

Sandra is so wrong so often.

1 of the 2 people I really liked is now gone :(

And I saw it coming as soon as they were showing confessionals from the side.

so bad.

what was that with JT. seriously. I don't understand his move at all.
I somewhat feel even he didn't complete his move.

he could have easily told them to vote sandra.

I don't particularly understand hali either.

He did tell them to vote Sandra, they screwed him over to get an advantage for their own tribe. He started to cry.

what was that with JT. seriously. I don't understand his move at all.
I somewhat feel even he didn't complete his move.

he could have easily told them to vote sandra.

Malcolm has said in his exit interviews that he was just being agreeable with JT and never seriously considered getting Sandra out. And Sandra's tribe wouldn't want her voted out because they are thinking of numbers long term. They need someone from the other tribe to go home. So JT had no chance of a direct assault on Sandra like you are suggesting.

I don't get why they targeted Siera.

Wanted to target a challenge threat and didn't want to target Brad. (At least Malcolm and JT didn't want to.)

then again Thai still a madman climbing things!

too bad he has no real allies

He did tell them to vote Sandra, they screwed him over to get an advantage for their own tribe. He started to cry.

oh did he? they didn't show that I think.

that's why i was confused. didn't seem like he told them to vote sandra

oh did he? they didn't show that I think.

that's why i was confused. didn't seem like he told them to vote sandra

Do you mean Brad's tribe or Malcolm's tribe? He definitely told Brad to vote Sandra multiple times. Brad wasn't interested in doing that because he wanted Malcolm out for challenge purposes.

And even if JT was successful at blindsiding Sandra, then he's a sitting duck at the next tribal.

that was an incredible tribal. what a brilliant idea to have two tribes go. it does suck that Malcolm is gone though.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I must admit I've never been that impressed with Sandra as a player.

Her original appearance she didn't really do much

but convincing JT not to play his idol and that he was safe was awesome.

So hilarious her faces.

Poor Aubry

Guess we know her true feelings now.

Glad Michaela is still there.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I must admit I've never been that impressed with Sandra as a player.

Her original appearance she didn't really do much

Huh? She won twice.

Huh? She won twice.

I think was very good in her first two seasons but not somebody who I would say deserved to be in the conversation of greatest survivor player of all time.

It's been awhile, but I remember her playing a solid but a bit behind the scenes game. She was fortunate in that she got to go against somebody in final tribal council that had been voted out and then got to come back.

Her second time around she played really well but I think Parvati played an all time great game in Heroes vs. Villains and due to the enormous Russell hate among players the jury voted against both Parvati and Russell in that final tribal council. Sandra deserved a runner-up (ahead of Russell but behind Parvati) finish that time.

I think was very good in her first two seasons but not somebody who I would say deserved to be in the conversation of greatest survivor player of all time.

It's been awhile, but I remember her playing a solid but a bit behind the scenes game. She was fortunate in that she got to go against somebody in final tribal council that had been voted out and then got to come back.

I suppose you could say she was fortunate, but it's not like she needed a weak person to be against. She would've beat most people that were around near the end. And I don't think she played under the radar (she was pretty loud and cocky back then, including several blow ups with Fairplay), she just weaved between alliances. She also made moves like dumping the fish (similar to the sugar here), which got someone else voted out, and blindsiding Burton at Final 5.

Her second time around she played really well but I think Parvati played an all time great game in Heroes vs. Villains and due to the enormous Russell hate among players the jury voted against both Parvati and Russell in that final tribal council. Sandra deserved a runner-up (ahead of Russell but behind Parvati) finish that time.

But this is part of the game. Sandra could tell how much people hated Russell. And so she presented herself as anti-Russell to the jury. That's good social gameplay and why she deserved to win.

Not sure how Sandra can't be viewed as the GOAT in survivor. Played twice, won twice. No one else has achieved that. Plus she is still there this time; when you would think that the two time winner would be the easiest early choice to be voted out.

This episode was great. Was glad it was JT that went home and Sandra played that perfectly. Made him feel comfortable and he goes home with an idol in his pocket.

Debbie has to go soon. She is annoying as hell. What was her issue with the first challenge? First she complains saying Brad told her to do that; even though she said she is good at it. Then she sucked and acted like she didn't. Then she refuses to do the balance portion of the next challenge. Which is it, were you forced into doing the balance the first time or did you want to do it?

Survivor is my casual show I watch while I'm doing other things - I had to rewind it when Debbie was going on and on about them not letting her do the balance beam, I could of sworn that she did it and did it badly. And ya, I was right.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a Survivor episode actually edit in a quick flashback like that to emphasize how crazy someone was acting. "You decide everything Brad!" (Flashback - Debbie: "I have great balance" Brad: "Great, you do that then".)

I'm not sure I've ever seen a Survivor episode actually edit in a quick flashback like that to emphasize how crazy someone was acting. "You decide everything Brad!" (Flashback - Debbie: "I have great balance" Brad: "Great, you do that then".)Yeah, if they've ever done that before it's been extremely rare. And there were lots of times when it would have made sense. Shows how ridiculous the whole thing was.

Then her whole "I don't get mad... I'll vent a bit and then be fine" and she loses it again at the next challenge. She may be the least self-aware player they've ever had, and that's really saying something.

Yeah, if they've ever done that before it's been extremely rare. And there were lots of times when it would have made sense. Shows how ridiculous the whole thing was.

Then her whole "I don't get mad... I'll vent a bit and then be fine" and she loses it again at the next challenge. She may be the least self-aware player they've ever had, and that's really saying something.

I remember doing that kind of thing wayway back in season one. I think they realized it was kinda amateurish. Although this case seemed more like....okay Debbie...we don't do this usually but we're calling you out on your bullshit

Cochran!!!!

Cochran!!!!!!!wasted on debbieI thought it might be Hatch come to join them

wtf tribal!

wtf!

wtf

tai is so ...so....soso...

why didn't he play his idol

he knew he could go home right there....

that was going to be a 2 idol in the pocket day

i'm so confused.

why would he say ozzy....that made no sense.

wtf tribal!

wtf!

wtf

tai is so ...so....soso...

why didn't he play his idol

he knew he could go home right there.... I

that was going to be a 2 idol in the pocket day

i'm so confused.

why would he say ozzy....that made no sense.



+1

That made no sense in so many ways. It almost seemed like a scripted keep the audience in suspense moment.

Not sure how Sandra can't be viewed as the GOAT in survivor. Played twice, won twice. No one else has achieved that. Plus she is still there this time; when you would think that the two time winner would be the easiest early choice to be voted out.

This episode was great. Was glad it was JT that went home and Sandra played that perfectly. Made him feel comfortable and he goes home with an idol in his pocket.



yeah she was pretty damn impressive. She made some masterful moves. The way she axed JT and almost got Tai was amazing to watch.

and Tai = idiot

I was never really on the "Sandra = GOAT" bandwagon, but after this season I may have to admit I was wrong. She was fantastic.

That made no sense in so many ways. It almost seemed like a scripted keep the audience in suspense moment.
The only way it made sense was if the whole thing was a setup to make Sandra/Jeff feel safe, in case they had an idol. Basically the same play that they'd just used on JT the episode before.

But yeah, seems like the simpler explanation is that Tai just can't handle the thinking part of the game.

I think something happened at the end of the tribal council that made Tai feel safe. They cut this out of the show because it would've ruined the suspense.

Or they could've been acting out this plan, but left Tai out of it. Either way, there's no chance Ozzy would've consented to his name being thrown out at tribal council, so that part was definitely a mistake for Tai.

Well, that's how you finish in 15th place and actually come out even more highly regarded than before. A masterful effort from Sandra who totally should've been out first and avoided that fate deftly. I actually think, if she had designs on coming back and winning an eventual all-winners season (which I still assume will happen at some point), she had to come out and lose one first to get that out of the way. But she played it as well as possible.

If Tai had any clue how to actually play this game, he might be dangerous, but at this point I feel like he's more a candidate to leave with 2 immunity idols in his pocket, then to make the jury.

If Tai had any clue how to actually play this game, he might be dangerous, but at this point I feel like he's more a candidate to leave with 2 immunity idols in his pocket, then to make the jury.

this, so this

If Tai had any clue how to actually play this game, he might be dangerous, but at this point I feel like he's more a candidate to leave with 2 immunity idols in his pocket, then to make the jury.

His social game reminds me a bit of Rupert. The clueless nice guy that says everything he's thinking and self righteously thinks he deserves to have everyone listen to him. HOwever, his mad skillz come from being able to get to idols like no one else.

All the scrambling and climbing

Wow. Business just picked up. That was a very uncomfortable tribal council to watch.

That was intense.

But I also kind of wanted to see Tai play his idol on Varner and blindside Ozzy after all that

That went into a weird spiral from the conversation with Sarah downward. That could have easily gone with Tai also being included to oust Ozzy.

THe tribal confused me really. Zeke spent a lot of his last season talking about how he is gay (especially on the reward challenge with the fireman)
I know transgender isn't necessarily gay but it kinda confused me why it was an "outing" now.

Granted Varner's ploy was....thoroughly lacking. Even the initial speech about deceit and that Zeke/Ozzy had a secret alliance. He didn't need that. If he felt he needed that then I guess he already knew Sarah and Andrea weren't biting.

Very surprised Ozzy is just so quiet while his name is bandied about

I know transgender isn't necessarily gay but it kinda confused me why it was an "outing" now.



There was some personal reason he didn't tell anyone, and why it wasn't really out there publicly, so it was definitely an outing. He talked some about how he prefers for people to see him as Zeke and not as the guy that used to be a woman, I imagine that kind of thing is pretty common with transgender people. (Though people on the internet had figured it out, they recognized scars and found an article he wrote at Harvard where he talked about being a lesbian woman when he started school.)

It's amazing to me that Varner thought that this was going to work. That he would get two or three of the people in that tribe to change their plan and vote for a guy because he was transgender. Who did he think he was going to flip?

On his podcast, Rob Cesternino pointed out that if Varner was successful, it's even worse. Imagine if the tribe did have a negative reaction to it and they all voted out Zeke because he was transgender. That would be horrifying.

I guess casting is key. They were probably confident that there weren't cast members this season or last that were going to put together an anti-transgender alliance if this info had gotten out.

Having seen the "trending" on this, I figured what reason there was for this thread to bump, so I'll ask a question:

Granted now, I haven't watched any of these sorts of shows since (checks Google for the date) 2003 when I sampled I'm A Celebrity ... but is there no thought about the possibility that this is simply a manufactured bit of hype contrived by the producers with one or more willing participant in the cast?

Not saying that it is or isn't, I'm just asking whether that possibility crosses the minds of viewers at some level beyond like 1:1 million chance.

Having seen the "trending" on this, I figured what reason there was for this thread to bump, so I'll ask a question:

Granted now, I haven't watched any of these sorts of shows since (checks Google for the date) 2003 when I sampled I'm A Celebrity ... but is there no thought about the possibility that this is simply a manufactured bit of hype contrived by the producers with one or more willing participant in the cast?

Not saying that it is or isn't, I'm just asking whether that possibility crosses the minds of viewers at some level beyond like 1:1 million chance.

There's no way that Jeff Varner would be willing to let himself be part of this contrivance considering it has completely ruined his reputation in front of millions of viewers. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that Varner/Zeke would be at tribal council. The producers would have had to rig the immunity challenge to make sure their tribe lost.

The producers were aware of it and I'm sure that they were hopeful that it somehow become a source of drama for the show. Zeke had already been in one entire prior season without this coming up. I'm not saying they brought him back this season only for the possibility of a moment like this, but, I'm sure that was a consideration. And it was also probably important to cast a guy for that "role" who was out somewhat out in his personal life, and who was a strong person, so it wouldn't be THAT huge a deal if it came out on the show. And I'm sure that, with any reality show, they're planting seeds to try to unearth that drama.

But just like with sports league conspiracies, I don't think the risk/reward calculation works out to say, actually recruit Varner and Zeke to have this scripted moment. There's just too much that can backfire, and you really don't gain that much.

I'm sure they were hoping it would come out in a moment where Zeke told his tribe as a way of bonding with them or something. And then maybe it could be talked about as tribal and be shown as a big, positive moment.

While they were able to turn what actually happened into a positive moment, there's no way they wanted this to come out in such a negative way. It was a really uncomfortable moment, completely overshadowed any strategy that was going on (and possibly overshadows future strategy).

There was some personal reason he didn't tell anyone, and why it wasn't really out there publicly, so it was definitely an outing. He talked some about how he prefers for people to see him as Zeke and not as the guy that used to be a woman, I imagine that kind of thing is pretty common with transgender people. (Though people on the internet had figured it out, they recognized scars and found an article he wrote at Harvard where he talked about being a lesbian woman when he started school.)

It's amazing to me that Varner thought that this was going to work. That he would get two or three of the people in that tribe to change their plan and vote for a guy because he was transgender. Who did he think he was going to flip?

Actually I realized that was exactly where my confusion was. I now realize Zeke was born female and now is trans male and calls himself gay to disguise that fact. Now I get it. What confused me was all the facial hair he has grown. I've been liking Zeke a lot both seasons actually. I kinda did think his form was a little dainty.

I think Varner just had one really bad desperate idea too many. I kinda took him as saying Zeke was deceitful to just implicate his 2-man alliance with Ozzy. Which was weak at best since just because Zeke and Ozzy talk to each other and say things about Sarah/etc doesn't mean they are working against Sarah when they are lying to Varner anyway. But the deceit about transgender thing I just took to mean "you're hiding who you are. that's proof you could be hiding the fact that you're in a secret alliance with Ozzy. " which is just stupid desperate logic. SUch a leap. I have seen as bad logic before but yeah Varner's braincells took a beating there with that decision.

One thing that also bugs me is how Jeff Probst continued to berate Varner while the serious tearful music played. And note they played the episode anyway. So yeah Probst...keep talkin...

Welp... Jeff Varner got fired because of this...

EXCLUSIVE: 'Survivor' Castaway Jeff Varner 'Devastated' to Be Fired From Job After Outing Fellow Contestant Zeke Smith (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/apos-survivor-apos-castaway-jeff-004900461.html)

Actually I realized that was exactly where my confusion was. I now realize Zeke was born female and now is trans male and calls himself gay to disguise that fact. Now I get it.


You don't get it. He doesn't call himself gay to disguise anything. He calls himself gay because he is a man who likes men.

You don't get it. He doesn't call himself gay to disguise anything. He calls himself gay because he is a man who likes men.

I don't think you get it. If he is a man who likes men, why was he a lesbian when a woman?

I don't think you get it. If he is a man who likes men, why was he a lesbian when a woman?

That's not that uncommon for someone who transitions. (Or even for someone who doesn't transition). Now I may be wrong because I see he never explicitly said he likes men. He could say that because he's always identified as gay and so still describes himself that way after transitioning even if he still likes women. I mostly took objection to the word disguise, which I don't think is accurate.

I would like to rename this show lol

Why was Hali even there? Why is Michaela there.

Too many sheep on this show just being led around.

Hoping Troyzan does something as well. Brad kinda taking the backseat as well.

Props to Debbie for finally making a move.

Shaking my head at them all using ZEke as the fake story excuse. Then just totally turning on him. Both Debbie and Sierra just not believing him was just awkward and weird.



I actually thought Ozzy would go a bit further. Oh yeah curious why debbie didn't just recruit Zeke to vote ozzy (who strangely voted for aubry) instead of using up her advantage. But at least she used it. However...Ozzy still naive about the food thing. No one ever has been safe because they provide for the tribe.
So many examples of people saying "Anyone can get water and fish...let's vote him off anyway"

I would like to rename this show lol

Why was Hali even there? Why is Michaela there.

Too many sheep on this show just being led around.

Hoping Troyzan does something as well. Brad kinda taking the backseat as well.

Props to Debbie for finally making a move.

Shaking my head at them all using ZEke as the fake story excuse. Then just totally turning on him. Both Debbie and Sierra just not believing him was just awkward and weird.



I actually thought Ozzy would go a bit further. Oh yeah curious why debbie didn't just recruit Zeke to vote ozzy (who strangely voted for aubry) instead of using up her advantage. But at least she used it. However...Ozzy still naive about the food thing. No one ever has been safe because they provide for the tribe.
So many examples of people saying "Anyone can get water and fish...let's vote him off anyway"

Andrea and Cirie had every reason to turn on Zeke though. Those two seem to be very close allies and Zeke was gunning for Andrea and Cirie though I'm not sure they knew he was also gunning for Cirie.

Andrea and Cirie had every reason to turn on Zeke though. Those two seem to be very close allies and Zeke was gunning for Andrea and Cirie though I'm not sure they knew he was also gunning for Cirie.

I get that. Was talking more about Debbie and Sierra. He tells them something important about them and they refuse to believe him.

However...Ozzy still naive about the food thing. No one ever has been safe because they provide for the tribe.
So many examples of people saying "Anyone can get water and fish...let's vote him off anyway"

This is why I can't buy into Ozzy being a good player. This is the fourth time he's been on, and he's made this same mistake EVERY time. Why he continues to think this way is beyond me. Every season without him has figured out how to get fish. Rupert was the same way.

I thought it was good for Debbie to play the double vote advantage when she did. That advantage is so difficult to use at the exact right time. By playing it, she ensured her side would have a 7 vote majority even if the other side was all on the same page. And even if it wasn't necessary, it still earned her some good social points by showing her alliance she was willing ot use the advantage to help all of them rather than just herself.

Cochran will have strong words with her at the reunion. STRONG WORDS!


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Loved Aubry's eyeroll immediately after talking to Debbie.

Debbie listened to part of Cochran's advice (make up with Brad), but forgot the part about being paranoid. She was overconfident and it bit her in the ass.

Loved Aubry's eyeroll immediately after talking to Debbie.

Debbie listened to part of Cochran's advice (make up with Brad), but forgot the part about being paranoid. She was overconfident and it bit her in the ass.

indeed! That eyeroll was survivor gold! :)

THe two parts where she failed were stampeding toward an Ozzy vote even though she and her alliance were in no danger at all

and

Constantly being cocky to EVERYONE...aka running her mouth.

I do believe Cochrane warned her not to be too strident. And Cocky people ALWAYS go home. It's like they themselves are the leaders of the rebellion, rallying the troops

Aubry's eyes rolled almost as much as mine did when Makayla checked out of the game so much she missed the advantage scroll.

So weird that Debbie had to crawl across the balance beam during that challenge, since I seem to remember hearing that she was amazing at balancing.

THAT WAS ONLY BECAUSE BRAD FORCED HER TO!!1!

So glad Debbie got the boot.

I can't blame Michaela for missing the advantage. While it was extremely close to her, it's not in a place someone would naturally look. If anything, despite being further away, Sarah had a much better angle to see it.

And I don't think it's about her pouting, since she didn't see it when she was cheering on people (like Aubry) later in the challenge.

I can't blame Michaela for missing the advantage. While it was extremely close to her, it's not in a place someone would naturally look. If anything, despite being further away, Sarah had a much better angle to see it.

And I don't think it's about her pouting, since she didn't see it when she was cheering on people (like Aubry) later in the challenge.

But it was her attitude that cost her seeing it when she went over there most likely. She was seeing red and not seeing what was right in front of her; because when she would have swam over there at the start would have been her best time to see if.

But it was her attitude that cost her seeing it when she went over there most likely. She was seeing red and not seeing what was right in front of her; because when she would have swam over there at the start would have been her best time to see if.

That's a good point. What's weird is they didn't show her swimming up on it. Just a cut to her already on the bench. I'm also amazed that nobody questioned what Sarah was doing, since she took such a weird route to the boat.

I'm also amazed that nobody questioned what Sarah was doing, since she took such a weird route to the boat.

Yeah, it seemed like something that would stand out.

Is there a human being on earth that looks more like a turtle than Debbie? Or is it just me?

Is there a human being on earth that looks more like a turtle than Debbie? Or is it just me?

Maggie Gyllenhaal?

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Sarah is playing 3D Chess, everyone else is playing checkers.

Did Sierra actually believe that Sarah didn't vote for her... wow.

Did Sierra actually believe that Sarah didn't vote for her... wow.

She said on the Rob has a Podcast that she thought Brad had turned on her and not Sarah because when she looked at him he gave her a stone cold look while Sarah looked like she was confused about the vote.

That could almost be understandable, but the part where she told Sarah about the legacy advantage is unforgivable. "Hey, here's something that makes me immune at the final 6. If I get voted out before then, I'll give it to you."

That could almost be understandable, but the part where she told Sarah about the legacy advantage is unforgivable. "Hey, here's something that makes me immune at the final 6. If I get voted out before then, I'll give it to you."

True, that was a face palm moment.

Sarah is playing 3D Chess, everyone else is playing checkers.
Yep. She seems like the favorite right now, although she strikes me as the sort who might melt down in front of the jury. Especially since you know Debbie is going to try to torpedo her with a long and whiny look-at-me type question.

Yep. She seems like the favorite right now, although she strikes me as the sort who might melt down in front of the jury. Especially since you know Debbie is going to try to torpedo her with a long and whiny look-at-me type question.

Yep, I think Sarah's playing a great game but there are a lot of people left in the game that would probably beat her at final 3. I think she beats Michaela and Troyzan and maybe Tai or Aubry? Maybe. Think everyone else would have a very good shot against her with the jury.

I'm not sure the editors of Survivor understood what happened at that second tribal council. It was a crazy tribal council but I'm not sure I can recall a time when a boot came out of left field like that.

Also that had to be one of the biggest face palms in the history of the game.


Really bad night for Cirie I think. I don't understand why she voted out her meat shield in Andrea and then after that she either misread/didn't read Sarah's advantage before trying to use it.

That really took balls for tai not to use an idol after his vote was taken from him (he has 2 still), Sarah really should have taken the vote from her intended target instead of tai to not risk alienating him yet.

final 6 literally only one person will not be immune(aubrey or cirie)

It seems like to me that Sarah wants to take Brad/Troyzan to the end. Troyzan would vote for brad at the end and can not beat Sarah at all.
I'm guessing a 7-3-0 Vote and Sarah wins.

That really took balls for tai not to use an idol after his vote was taken from him (he has 2 still), Sarah really should have taken the vote from her intended target instead of tai to not risk alienating him yet.

final 6 literally only one person will not be immune(aubrey or cirie)

It seems like to me that Sarah wants to take Brad/Troyzan to the end. Troyzan would vote for brad at the end and can not beat Sarah at all.
I'm guessing a 7-3-0 Vote and Sarah wins.

Yeah I thought it was crazy that Tai didn't use idol last night especially when he had two of them.

The Cirie play would have been epic, if not for that stupid non-transferable part.

Hated the end result.

I still don't think I understand anything that happened (strategically) at that second tribal.

By the way, be sure to watch Michaela's Ponderosa video.
Survivor Game Changers Ep 11 - Michaela Bradshaw Ponderosa #7 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SideOp58rQ)

By the way, be sure to watch Michaela's Ponderosa video.
Survivor Game Changers Ep 11 - Michaela Bradshaw Ponderosa #7 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SideOp58rQ)

That was all sorts of awesome. Makes the vote suck even more.

today on Survivor: Game Posers

The Cirie play would have been epic, if not for that stupid non-transferable part.

Hated the end result.

still unclear what cirie was doing. was she trying to vote out sarah?

or just use up the special advantage for no reason

still unclear what cirie was doing. was she trying to vote out sarah?

or just use up the special advantage for no reason

I think Sarah played her. She gave her the advantage paper and said "yeah you can use this" but she knew it was non transferable. Cirie may have been trying to blindside her as well though.

By the way, be sure to watch Michaela's Ponderosa video.
Survivor Game Changers Ep 11 - Michaela Bradshaw Ponderosa #7 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SideOp58rQ)

lol i have never heard someone talk about poop and pee that much. (beyond 4 years old)

I think Sarah played her. She gave her the advantage paper and said "yeah you can use this" but she knew it was non transferable. Cirie may have been trying to blindside her as well though.

oh yeah.....

i totally forgot about that...

she DID say "you can play it if you want" i remember that!

wow

far out


i did not understand why sarah gave that to her at all

was it to ensure to cirie that she wouldn't play it herself? That was so weird when it happened

I think Sarah played her. She gave her the advantage paper and said "yeah you can use this" but she knew it was non transferable. Cirie may have been trying to blindside her as well though.

In an interview, Michaela said that Sarah didn't physically give Cirie the paper until right before the tribal so Cirie wouldn't have a chance to read it any detail.

i am convinced tai will never play his idols :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I want to say there's something we're not seeing that makes Tai so confident. But he's such a poor player strategically that I think it's just been dumb luck

Something I realized after watching the episode: Weeks after the fact, Michaela ended up getting voted out by the same advantage see was (literally) sitting on top of for a whole challenge without realizing it.

Something I realized after watching the episode: Weeks after the fact, Michaela ended up getting voted out by the same advantage see was (literally) sitting on top of for a whole challenge without realizing it.

Yeah, but the advantage didn't actually send her home. Sarah took Tai's vote and he would've either voted for Michaela or someone else. Either way, three votes would've been enough to send Michaela home since Tai isn't voting for himself to create the tie.

i am convinced tai will never play his idols :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I can't wait for him to play his idols for other people and get voted out.

I can't wait for him to play his idols for other people and get voted out.

From the teaser in the "next episode" clip, it might be worse than that.....

I know some people don't like to watch those, so

It looks like Tai might actually give one or both of his idols to Brad and Troyzan, before tribal counsel

From the teaser in the "next episode" clip, it might be worse than that.....

I know some people don't like to watch those, so

It looks like Tai might actually give one or both of his idols to Brad and Troyzan, before tribal counsel



Yeah, that's what I was basing my comment on.

by the way, I don't know why I find all the new huddling up to discuss thing at tribals this year to be so annoying, but I do.

It's possible for someone to go home by default at the F6 vote next week.

*Tai plays his two idols.
*Troyzan plays his idol.
*Sarah plays the legacy advantage.
*Individual immunity winner.
*The 6th person would be the only person eligible for votes.

It's possible for someone to go home by default at the F6 vote next week.

*Tai plays his two idols.
*Troyzan plays his idol.
*Sarah plays the legacy advantage.
*Individual immunity winner.
*The 6th person would be the only person eligible for votes.

but people wouldn't know the immunity idol holders had them. thus votes.
it's possible that no one gets votes.

i wonder if they purple rock at that point.

it would be funny if no one went home tho :)
thus wasting ALL the toys

but people wouldn't know the immunity idol holders had them. thus votes.
it's possible that no one gets votes.

i wonder if they purple rock at that point.

it would be funny if no one went home tho :)
thus wasting ALL the toys

That doesn't change anything. If 5 people are immune and there are no votes, then it goes to rocks. Only one person would be eligible to draw a rock and they would go home.

The trickier scenario is if 4 people are immune and the votes are evenly split. Then there's no one eligible to draw rocks. The other 4 would have to unanimously agree to send someone home.

What is the legacy advantage? I know it said it can be used at 6 but don't know if it ever said what it actually is.

What is the legacy advantage? I know it said it can be used at 6 but don't know if it ever said what it actually is.

They said earlier when Sierra initially got it. It counts as immunity at either the Final 13 or Final 6 tribal council.

Crap, that means Sarah makes it to 5.

I'd put the order of likelihood of winning like this:

1. Sarah
2. Cirie
3. Brad
4. Tai
5. Aubrey
6. Troyzan

Also, fun fact, Cirie is the first player in history to make it to the finale episode 3 times.

*FIXED


I'd put the order of likelihood of winning like this:

1. Cirie
2. Sarah
3. Aubrey
4. Tai
____________________HEAVY LINE IN SAND
5. Brad
6. Troyzan

Based of edit and position in the game:

Favorites
1. Sarah - It seems like she should get to the final 3 based off her edit viability and where she stands in the game. I just don't know if the jury is going to vote for her or against her.
2. Brad - If Sarah doesn't win I think Brad is a good bet to win because he's definitely been visible and is logically in a good position game wise at this point.
Outside chance
3. Cirie - I think her edit has been just as good as Sarah's and Brad's edits. If she does get to the final 3 I think she probably wins. However, I just don't undertand how she gets there logically at this point unless she goes on an immunity run.
4. Tai - Everyone seems to like him. I'm just not sure anyone really respects his game.
Almost no chance
5. Troyzan - Has had a mostly invisible edit throughout the season.
6. Aubrey - Has had a mostly invisible edit throughout the season and has no hidden immunity idol.

Cirie botching using that advantage likely tanked her chances of winning (she looked stupid and trying a snake move that failed)

Troyzan likely only beats tai/aubrey so those 3 have no chance of winning

Basically i believe Racar's assessment of win probability is accurate

I could 100% see Sarah being the sort of player who goes into the final tribal as a huge favorite and then screws up her jury game so badly that she loses.

"tell me what you want me to do with it"

so stupid.

I'm probably wrong because I haven't gotten a sense from his edit all season that he had a very good shot of winning but I'm starting to think Tai is going to win. They're beating us over the head that he can't win in a final tribal council.

Right person won, at least IMO.

Yeah. I don't like her all that much, but she played better than anyone. Glad it wasn't Culpepper.

Ever cost yourself a million bucks? Culpepper did, when he kept his vendetta against Tai.

It's possible for someone to go home by default at the F6 vote next week.

*Tai plays his two idols.
*Troyzan plays his idol.
*Sarah plays the legacy advantage.
*Individual immunity winner.
*The 6th person would be the only person eligible for votes.

Called it, but I really thought it'd be Aubry who went (based on her edit) instead of Cirie.

Ever cost yourself a million bucks? Culpepper did, when he kept his vendetta against Tai.

Yep. Hard to believe he could make such an obvious blunder.

Still not the worst blunder of all times.. Wu Taking tony to final tribal was by far the most egregious blunder of all times.

I don't think i want to see another season of Tai's flip flopping and poor play rewarded by silly luck of finding idols.

Edit:Also 5 people would have voted for Tai at final if he made it? Talk about bitter jury(Sarah I understand, the rest, no)

I hope they cut back on those hidden idols.

I wish they would go back to 2 people finals. And I definitely don't get the Tai love from the jury. Even if they were bitter, did he make even one big move?

Best player won. Which is why it's kind of amazing that we got three tribal councils and apparently nobody ever thought to get rid of her. Wouldn't have worked in the first, but they just let the player with the best case to win glide through to the end.

Best player won. Which is why it's kind of amazing that we got three tribal councils and apparently nobody ever thought to get rid of her. Wouldn't have worked in the first, but they just let the player with the best case to win glide through to the end.

She had three votes on her nullified at 6 and would have gone home if she didn't have the legacy advantage.

I wish they would go back to 2 people finals. And I definitely don't get the Tai love from the jury. Even if they were bitter, did he make even one big move?

Agree on the two person finale. I'm guessing the reason why some people would have voted for Tai over Culpepper was that he probably connected with them on a more personal level. It didn't sound like Brad made that much of an effort to get to know people outside of his alliance.

It's also possible Culpepper may have rubbed some people the wrong way with his personality. I don't get the sense that people were bitter against him. He was about as loyal as they come now days and played a straight forward game.

Best player won. Which is why it's kind of amazing that we got three tribal councils and apparently nobody ever thought to get rid of her. Wouldn't have worked in the first, but they just let the player with the best case to win glide through to the end.

She was the best kind of player. The kind that controlled the game, without everybody around her knowing it. Usually if you're the best out there, people recognize it and you're knocked out shortly afterwards.

I watched the finale a day late and based on an accidental spoiler I thought I saw I went through the day thinking Culpepper had won, which confused me a lot. Sarah definitely deserved it, as annoying as she was.

Why did Culpepper dress like a high school science teacher at the reunion? did he lose a bet? At first glimpse, my kids and I immediately broke out in laughter

also, I went through two seasons thinking Brad Culpepper was Brad Johnson.

Sarah mentioned in one of the post-show interviews that when her, Troyzan, and Brad went on that reward before the Final 6 vote, they exchanged items to "prove" their loyalty. Brad gave Sarah his wedding ring, she gave him something important, and Troyzan gave something important. This makes more sense as to why Brad didn't target Sarah at the end.

I always assumed that kind of thing was against the rules. Should the monetary value of jewelry brought to the game give you an advantage? What if there's competing jewelry being given as collateral and players make decisions about who to turn on based on the comparative value of the jewelry? It's potentially not that different than the guy who allegedly offered to pay off someone else's mortgage for their tribal counsel vote.

It's probably better and safer to prohibit players from using real-world items or real-world promises either as collateral or as bargaining chips for votes. There was probably more too it, but imagine if Tai was left out of the final 3 just because he didn't have an engagement ring or any other valuable jewelry with him to hand over and prove his trustworthiness.

Edit: Jeff also seemed uncomfortable at the reunion with Sarah bringing up Tony's extensive pre-game coaching of her. I don't know if there needs to be a rule against that kind of thing, but I think that's a reason for concern too, if a big chunk of the Survivor strategy and relationship-building actually takes place before the game starts.

Why did Brad own Troyzan the whole game, was it because Brad was able to connect with him on the island, or was it because Brad got him NFL season tickets or something before the show even started?

Sarah mentioned in one of the post-show interviews that when her, Troyzan, and Brad went on that reward before the Final 6 vote, they exchanged items to "prove" their loyalty. Brad gave Sarah his wedding ring, she gave him something important, and Troyzan gave something important. This makes more sense as to why Brad didn't target Sarah at the end.
This whole season had a really weird "If I let you hold this thing I own then it will prove I'm loyal" vibe. You also had Sarah/Cirie with the advantage, plus Brad trying to get Tai with the "just let me hold your idol" scam.

I always assumed that kind of thing was against the rules. Should the monetary value of jewelry brought to the game give you an advantage? What if there's competing jewelry being given as collateral and players make decisions about who to turn on based on the comparative value of the jewelry? It's potentially not that different than the guy who allegedly offered to pay off someone else's mortgage for their tribal counsel vote.

It's probably better and safer to prohibit players from using real-world items or real-world promises either as collateral or as bargaining chips for votes. There was probably more too it, but imagine if Tai was left out of the final 3 just because he didn't have an engagement ring or any other valuable jewelry with him to hand over and prove his trustworthiness.

I think this is why it wasn't shown in the edit and why they didn't mention it during the reunion. Could also be why Jeff was insistent on embarrassing Culpepper about his "mistake" in taking Sarah to the end.

Edit: Jeff also seemed uncomfortable at the reunion with Sarah bringing up Tony's extensive pre-game coaching of her. I don't know if there needs to be a rule against that kind of thing, but I think that's a reason for concern too, if a big chunk of the Survivor strategy and relationship-building actually takes place before the game starts.

I don't think there's much that can be done about pre-game alliances. There's no way to really police that for returnee seasons.

I don't think there's much that can be done about pre-game alliances. There's no way to really police that for returnee seasons.

There are always pregame alliances in allstar seasons and people admit it during it. HOwever sometimes people use that to backstab their friends too. OMG both situations happened a lot during the original Allstars season :)

I always assumed that kind of thing was against the rules. Should the monetary value of jewelry brought to the game give you an advantage? What if there's competing jewelry being given as collateral and players make decisions about who to turn on based on the comparative value of the jewelry? It's potentially not that different than the guy who allegedly offered to pay off someone else's mortgage for their tribal counsel vote.

It's probably better and safer to prohibit players from using real-world items or real-world promises either as collateral or as bargaining chips for votes. There was probably more too it, but imagine if Tai was left out of the final 3 just because he didn't have an engagement ring or any other valuable jewelry with him to hand over and prove his trustworthiness.

Edit: Jeff also seemed uncomfortable at the reunion with Sarah bringing up Tony's extensive pre-game coaching of her. I don't know if there needs to be a rule against that kind of thing, but I think that's a reason for concern too, if a big chunk of the Survivor strategy and relationship-building actually takes place before the game starts.

Why did Brad own Troyzan the whole game, was it because Brad was able to connect with him on the island, or was it because Brad got him NFL season tickets or something before the show even started?

holy crap they did that???

sheesh...

yeah that kinda stuff should totally be against the rules.

However I wouldn't ever trust anyone with this. Nor agree to it even if I said yes. It's as worthless as people's "normal" jewelryless word.

There are always pregame alliances in allstar seasons and people admit it during it. HOwever sometimes people use that to backstab their friends too. OMG both situations happened a lot during the original Allstars season :)

And I think that was one of the reasons Andrea was so mad at Zeke. Andrea pretty much got Zeke on the show - she helped him through the application process, put together his video, may have even put in a good word for him.