LSU set to announce Orgeron as head coach at a press conference today.

I would be overjoyed if everyone (Orgeron, Herman, Strong) all kept their jobs and stayed exactly where they are. Be nice if the AD's actually listened to the kids (90% oh whom, despite all the rhetoric, will never go on to become millionaire NFL players) and let them play for the coach they came to play for.

Agreed, I would like to see them all stay put. I'm also not that big on Herman. Houston has some big wins the last two years, but they've also lost to SMU and UConn, and that would concern me. I would be just as interested in hiring Willie Taggart, Philip Montgomery, or PJ Fleck as I would Herman.

PJ Fleck will be great somewhere. He's beyond intense, but his message has seemed to work at WMU.

Can Fleck recruit a top level prospect? That's tbd imho. Herman has shown the ability, but I don't think he is ultimately a success at Texas . I'd say in 2022 he is no longer the coach there

Can Fleck recruit a top level prospect? That's tbd imho. Herman has shown the ability, but I don't think he is ultimately a success at Texas . I'd say in 2022 he is no longer the coach there

I'm not sold on Fleck as a p5 coach. I'm far more confident in Herman, but I'm not sure if Texas is the right fit.

Fleck probably would do well at a school that isn't hard to recruit at

Rumor out of Athens...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyJXLaEXAAAfWpk.jpg:large

Mike MacIntyre should have gotten more consideration for Texas and LSU.

I wonder which school(s) will take a look at Old Dominion's coach?

I'm kind of surprised Peterson didn't get more push for Texas. I think Mac gets a shot at Ole Miss if freeze is gone

I'm kind of surprised Peterson didn't get more push for Texas. I think Mac gets a shot at Ole Miss if freeze is gone
After observing him closely for the past three seasons, I'm confident in saying Petersen is very unlikely to go anywhere else. I think he would have considered places like Stanford or UCLA if he'd been offered, but at this point why would he move? He can win a National Championship at Washington, it's in the PNW which is right in his comfort zone, he loves the academic rep of the school, he has a fantastic relationship with his AD - what's his incentive to move?

I suppose he could challenge himself at the NFL level, but he's so into the coaching aspect of developing young men that I just don't think the NFL appeals to him in the same way college football does.

If he's the caliber of coach he appears to be, there will be precious few jobs out there that are a clear step up for him, and how many of them would provide the same side benefits in terms of his values that Washington does?

I think Colorado and UW are similar profile jobs

Supposedly WVU and Holgorsen are close to an extension, but Oregon is checking in on him to see if there's interest.

I think Colorado and UW are similar profile jobs
You think wrong.

I am interested to see who my Boilers bring in. Two local sources say Fleck is the guy and the national guys shot that down. I would be pleased if that were the hire. There was Les Miles buzz, but that seems like a terrible idea for both sides. The new AD has kept things very tight lipped, so I won't be surprised by anything at this point.

As for a name for the future - Chris Creighton @ Eastern Michigan. I wish he had a little more time under his belt @ EMU so he'd have the resume for Purdue. He's an incredible motivator and community-oriented coach. What he's done already @ EMU is impressive, especially when staff and students wanted the school to go D2 earlier this year.

You think wrong.

and not even close nowadays (it may have been somewhat closer during certain periods over the past 25 years). Part of the job profile is prestige and there's a large gap.

I am interested to see who my Boilers bring in. Two local sources say Fleck is the guy and the national guys shot that down. I would be pleased if that were the hire. There was Les Miles buzz, but that seems like a terrible idea for both sides. The new AD has kept things very tight lipped, so I won't be surprised by anything at this point.

As for a name for the future - Chris Creighton @ Eastern Michigan. I wish he had a little more time under his belt @ EMU so he'd have the resume for Purdue. He's an incredible motivator and community-oriented coach. What he's done already @ EMU is impressive, especially when staff and students wanted the school to go D2 earlier this year.

Creighton was at Wabash when I was there. He was famous for his over the top motivational speeches.

and not even close nowadays (it may have been somewhat closer during certain periods over the past 25 years). Part of the job profile is prestige and there's a large gap.
Yep. I mean no disrespect to Colorado - historically, the two programs are similar. But the Buffs have been down for so much longer than Washington that there's a significant gap now. I think there are some other factors that favor the UW too - Husky Stadium, athletic department revenues, Seattle continuing to be a desirable city to live in - but if Mac stays and/or the next coach continues to keep the Buffs near the top of the conference, the gap will certainly shrink. Of course there's a good chance Chris Petersen builds up the UW to be a consistent top-10 program too.

Sounds like Chad Morris to Baylor is done, with a $0 buyout to become HC at A&M, Clemson or "1 other school not to be disclosed publicly " (Texas) ...

If I've heard accurately it's ~5.5 per for 5

That might be the most undeserved contract in college football, but football in Texas is crazy, so...ya

That might be the most undeserved contract in college football, but football in Texas is crazy, so...ya

Ya think?

I mean I'm very biased here so hard to be objective, but....
What Chad haso done at SMU in two years is nothing short of amazing.
Plus he is supremely respected in Texas high school coaching circles. Extremely. Baylor needs that to keep those doors open despite what they are facing.

Yep. I mean no disrespect to Colorado - historically, the two programs are similar. But the Buffs have been down for so much longer than Washington that there's a significant gap now. I think there are some other factors that favor the UW too - Husky Stadium, athletic department revenues, Seattle continuing to be a desirable city to live in - but if Mac stays and/or the next coach continues to keep the Buffs near the top of the conference, the gap will certainly shrink. Of course there's a good chance Chris Petersen builds up the UW to be a consistent top-10 program too.


Yep. Money is finally starting to flow into the CU program after a lot of years of pure neglect. When Mac came, the indoor practice field and the weight room received massive upgrades. Boulder is a beautiful area, but it can't compete with Seattle.

Now, Mac stays for a couple of more years and he can build on the success with recruits? That changes. But not now. Washington is the better program and it isn't all that close.

Yep. Money is finally starting to flow into the CU program after a lot of years of pure neglect. When Mac came, the indoor practice field and the weight room received massive upgrades. Boulder is a beautiful area, but it can't compete with Seattle.

Now, Mac stays for a couple of more years and he can build on the success with recruits? That changes. But not now. Washington is the better program and it isn't all that close.

Admittedly I'm not Uber familiar with either program, inside. I know national perception etc.

But, doesn't CU have a slight advantage in that the isn't another in state school as opposed to wSu?

Again I'm not discounting facilities, support, administration, etc. All those things are ultimately much more important, but from 4000 miles away I'd think that would be one check in the negative column for Washington in the debate

How much of a hot seat is Todd Graham on?

There are two other FBS schools in Colorado: Colorado State and Air Force

There are two other FBS schools in Colorado: Colorado State and Air Force

Meant Power 5, but yes. Point taken.

Another name to think of in the near future for a higher profile coaching spot: Scott Frost.

While I'm at it, throw Paul Petrino's name into the mix as well. If you can win at Idaho, you can win anywhere.

Admittedly I'm not Uber familiar with either program, inside. I know national perception etc.

But, doesn't CU have a slight advantage in that the isn't another in state school as opposed to wSu?

Again I'm not discounting facilities, support, administration, etc. All those things are ultimately much more important, but from 4000 miles away I'd think that would be one check in the negative column for Washington in the debate


It would, but the state does not have a ton of great recruits that come out of it, so the advantage is mitigated in that regard.

Admittedly I'm not Uber familiar with either program, inside. I know national perception etc.

But, doesn't CU have a slight advantage in that the isn't another in state school as opposed to wSu?

Again I'm not discounting facilities, support, administration, etc. All those things are ultimately much more important, but from 4000 miles away I'd think that would be one check in the negative column for Washington in the debate
Eh, not really. WSU rarely competes successfully with Washington for recruits, even when they're rolling. They can sometimes get a guy from the eastern part of the state over a Husky offer, but the Huskies have stolen quite a few from there as well. Mike Leach himself admitted as much this past week, that Washington gets most of the guys they want in-state over WSU.

Eh, not really. WSU rarely competes successfully with Washington for recruits, even when they're rolling. They can sometimes get a guy from the eastern part of the state over a Husky offer, but the Huskies have stolen quite a few from there as well. Mike Leach himself admitted as much this past week, that Washington gets most of the guys they want in-state over WSU.

Can confirm. Wazzu is weird as far as support and following goes in this state. If you didn't know better you'd swear they were a G5 school or something. They do not and can not compete directly with UW for recruits.

How much of a hot seat is Todd Graham on?


He'll probably resign to take even more money at another school. He is really good at failing up.

Yep. I mean no disrespect to Colorado - historically, the two programs are similar. But the Buffs have been down for so much longer than Washington that there's a significant gap now. I think there are some other factors that favor the UW too - Husky Stadium, athletic department revenues, Seattle continuing to be a desirable city to live in - but if Mac stays and/or the next coach continues to keep the Buffs near the top of the conference, the gap will certainly shrink. Of course there's a good chance Chris Petersen builds up the UW to be a consistent top-10 program too.

Colorado has had some issues with limitations put on contracts by the state as well. At one point they couldn't have multi-year deals for assistant coaches because the state wouldn't approve the request. They may have gotten that overturned at this point, but it was a big contributing factor to the downslide and one of the main reasons they couldn't keep good assistants.

Doc Holliday may be on his way out at Marshall. Some serious stuff going on in that program that they're not going to overlook after 3-9 season. He's had absurd attrition this year, attitude problems, and rumors of rampant drug use (and not just weed) throughout the program. Some Marshall insiders are saying that if word starts to leak out they'll have no choice but to fire him.

Fwiw, the internal sorry is that certain terms are agreed to between Baylor and Chad Morris, however when the formal contact was sent to his agent the allegedly agreed upon contingencies were conspicuously absent.

Doc Holliday may be on his way out at Marshall. Some serious stuff going on in that program that they're not going to overlook after 3-9 season. He's had absurd attrition this year, attitude problems, and rumors of rampant drug use (and not just weed) throughout the program. Some Marshall insiders are saying that if word starts to leak out they'll have no choice but to fire him.

Isn't this by definition word leaking out?

Not a coaching move, but I think this is the right place for it.

Liberty's statement after hiring ex-Baylor AD tainted by a scandal is unfathomably tone-deaf (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/11/ian-mccaw-liberty-university-athletic-director-baylor-sexual-assaults)

I love how his statement implies that Catholics aren't Christians.

What is there to not understand? Protestants refer to themselves as Christians while Catholics refer to themselves as Catholics. There is a huge group on both sides that do think the others are not Christians and totally misguided in their dogma, but this statement implied nothing of what you wanted to imply.

I can assure you that the Catholics where I teach would not be happy with the Catholics/Christians language used.

What is there to not understand? Protestants refer to themselves as Christians while Catholics refer to themselves as Catholics. There is a huge group on both sides that do think the others are not Christians and totally misguided in their dogma, but this statement implied nothing of what you wanted to imply.

Catholics are Christians. Just because they refer to themselves as a specific subset of Christianity doesn't mean they don't think of themselves as Christian.

That doesn't disagree with what I said though or change what was implied. My wife is a cradle Catholic, we got married in a Catholic Church and while I am a "nondenominational protestant" the only one people who refer to us that way are catholics. Catholics, to counteract the protestant use of Christians, use the term Catholic-Christians.

I mean, Mormons also feel that they are Christian as well, but nobody really cares about that distinction.

Most Catholics out here tend to love USC and hate Notre Dame so this wouldn't even apply to them

I can assure you that the Catholics where I teach would not be happy with the Catholics/Christians language used.

Yeah, that was not put well at all. I think most Catholics would be pissed by it... as would most Mormons who present themselves as Christians, but Southern Baptists and Evangelicals don't count them as such.

Rice is retaining their HC. Seemed to be a bit of a surprise.











That's what we call a "subtle hint", gentlemen.

Catholics, to counteract the protestant use of Christians, use the term Catholic-Christians.

I've never heard of this.

I am a "cradle Catholic" (although now non-practicing), and I never blinked at anyone calling me Christian rather than Catholic. And no one among my very Catholic Irish and Polish sides of the family cared either. Or friends.

I have heard of people wanting to be more specifically described as Catholic rather than just Christian, but to not even see themselves as Christians? Never heard that anywhere, and I know hundreds of Catholics.

Yeah, that was not put well at all. I think most Catholics would be pissed by it... as would most Mormons who present themselves as Christians, but Southern Baptists and Evangelicals don't count them as such.

I'd put the number of Evangelicals who consider either to be "Christian" at under half. And, well, this is Liberty we're talking about here. They really couldn't care less who got pissed at the phrasing.

(That said, I don't think it was meant so much as a slight as it was simply for using the others as examples. It really seemed like more a case of using "Christian" as shorthand for "evangelical Christians aligned with our particular beliefs")

Apparently SJ State is trying to bring in former Fresno HC Pat Hill. Can you believe that?

Apparently SJ State is trying to bring in former Fresno HC Pat Hill. Can you believe that?

Might be a decent stop-gap hire. He probably wouldn't be there more than 5 years or so. Kinda like Ault when he went back to Nevada.

Why doesn't Pat Hill just go back to Fresno State? At worst they were mediocre when he was there.

Iowa is in the beginning of 10 more years of Ferentz. The good news is that his buyout is full of stupid money. Oh, wait.
I mean, Ferentz is a cutting edge coach that......oh, wait.
I mean that.....ah, I got nothing. Stuck with 3 yards and a cloud of dust in a pass happy society.

How much of a hot seat is Todd Graham on?

As an ASU alum, I can tell you his seat is pretty hot, but he's not going anywhere. There's too much money sunk in the stadium renovation right now, and we can't afford the buyout.

However, my guess would be anything short of 8 wins next year, and he's gone.

I am a "cradle Catholic" (although now non-practicing), and I never blinked at anyone calling me Christian rather than Catholic. And no one among my very Catholic Irish and Polish sides of the family cared either. Or friends.

I have heard of people wanting to be more specifically described as Catholic rather than just Christian, but to not even see themselves as Christians? Never heard that anywhere, and I know hundreds of Catholics.

Me neither. Catholics obviously consider themselves Christian, they just use the distinction of Catholic.

I looked At Notre Dame's mission statement and they mention Catholic 13 times and Christian one time. They absolutely what the distinction of being known as Catholic and I saw the statement as such. Nothing nefarious about it.

I looked At Notre Dame's mission statement and they mention Catholic 13 times and Christian one time. They absolutely what the distinction of being known as Catholic and I saw the statement as such. Nothing nefarious about it.

I don't think that means as much as you think it does. Look at Baylor's mission statement and notice they mention "Baptist" more than they mention "Christian" (and I'd say that they'd have to mention "Christian" history over "Baptist" history because Baptist history is a merely few hundred years old ;) ).

Baylor University || About Baylor || Mission (http://www.baylor.edu/about/index.php?id=88781)

Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

I don't think that means as much as you think it does. Look at Baylor's mission statement and notice they mention "Baptist" more than they mention "Christian" (and I'd say that they'd have to mention "Christian" history over "Baptist" history because Baptist history is a merely few hundred years old ;) ).

Baylor University || About Baylor || Mission (http://www.baylor.edu/about/index.php?id=88781)

I don't have a problem with more specific labels like Catholicism or Baptist.

Which branch does Liberty use? Since it was specifically about Liberty vs notre dame? Did Baylor have a comment about it as well?

Purpose & Mission Statement | About Liberty | Liberty University (https://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/?PID=6899)

Oregon has fired Mark Helfrich.

Fwiw, the internal sorry is that certain terms were agreed to between Baylor and Chad Morris, however when the formal contact was sent to his agent the allegedly agreed upon contingencies were conspicuously absent.

Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

Fyi

Oregon has fired Mark Helfrich.
It's since been edited, but check out the initial press release from the school:

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To be fair, not recruiting a QB after Mariota and relying on a pair of transfers is bizarre and a completely fireable offense. There's no way they weren't automatically in the top three for any dual threat QB anywhere west of the Mississippi during that time

They recruited QBS, they were just terrible choices

Which is much better because?

They tried?

Hearing that Oregon is looking at Fleck and OU OC Lincoln Riley.

Not to derail the coaching threat with religious talk but my father-in-law is an Independent Baptist and I am Catholic. Liberty University's roots came from Independent Baptists. To this day I'm not sure he thinks I am Christian and they have a unique view of what they think Catholics believe in. I'll leave it at that...

Yep - my wife grew up Baptist/Presbyterian. I think the Catholics might be a little too "Cult of Mary" for them.

("Why do they worship Mary? Christianity is the worship of Jesus, not Mary. Mary was just a vessel.")

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?
I don't get the love for Dykes either. If your goal is a pass-heavy offense that only works against mediocre or worse teams, go for it. If you want to win your conference and be relevant on the national stage, what are you doing considering Dykes?

I have to assume the AD issues are limiting their potential pool of candidates. Morris would be a HR all things considered.

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

With so much uncertainty about potential punishments still around the program, what good coach would go there?

Baylor has looked at 7-17 Morris and now 19-30 Sonny Dykes. Do they really want coaches that mediocre?

Morris has been at SMU 2 seasons.
The year before he arrived they won 1 game got blown out in every other game and he took over a team with ZERO commits in January.

This year he has won 6 games including 2 over top 25 schools.

Morris would be a homerun hire for Baylor. SMU is opening the checkbook to keep him home in Dallas.

I also assume that if Morris was still at Clemson and had no HC experience, he would still be considered a HR hire for Baylor given all that has gone on.

Having him spend a couple years just learning from being a HC on his own is icing on the cake, results be damned (although as CU mentions, results are relatively good).

Holgorsen and WVU have agreed to an extension. Should be announced sometime next week.

Purdue looking to make an announcement Monday. Word is that it's down to PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, and Troy Calhoun. I am hoping for either of the first two listed, but I've heard good things about all 3.

Purdue looking to make an announcement Monday. Word is that it's down to PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, and Troy Calhoun. I am hoping for either of the first two listed, but I've heard good things about all 3.

Glad they didn't take Wyoming's coach. Hope Fleck doesn't take the bait, feel like he can get a better job if he holds on. Calhoun might be tired of recruiting at USAFA.

Sounds like Wilson is out at Indiana.

Sounds like Wilson is out at Indiana.

Why would they do that?

It's either something shady or they're idiots.

He just got signed to an extension until 2021 after last season? Where is this buyout money coming from?

Has to either be something off the field or they had a monster candidate fall into their laps that they couldn't say no to. I'd guess the former.

Believe that's a quicker extension to firing than Rutgers had with Flood.

Report: IU to dismiss Kevin Wilson (http://indiana.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-IU-to-dismiss-Kevin-Wilson-49453121)

What the hell? They better have a damn good reason...

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/1/13809438/kevin-wilson-fired-indiana-head-coach)

Indiana is firing head football coach Kevin Wilson during his sixth season, an IU source confirmed to SB Nation on Thursday, amid “repeated clashes with administration.” The Indianapolis Star was first to report the firing and said a press conference was to come Thursday night.

Those better be some serious clashes.

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/1/13809438/kevin-wilson-fired-indiana-head-coach)

Unbelievable. Just when the program was really turning the corner. This is devastating. IU football is by far my favorite team in any sport. I don't want to go back to doormat status. :(

Kevin Wilson fired as Indiana football coach during bowl-eligible season - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/1/13809438/kevin-wilson-fired-indiana-head-coach)



Those better be some serious clashes.


Wilson was mocking Crean's bitchface, I bet. :D

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Former Indiana player told ESPN on Thursday that he & at least 5 other IU players interviewed about Wilson’s treatment of players

Well, there's the "shady."

Trump should have been saving Wilson's job, apparently.

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Former Indiana player told ESPN on Thursday that he & at least 5 other IU players interviewed about Wilson’s treatment of players

Well, there's the "shady."

Didn't Diamont just quit because of health concerns? Wonder if there's a link.

Report: Indiana fires head coach Kevin Wilson | SI.com (http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/12/01/kevin-wilson-fired-indiana-football-head-coach)

Bring back Coach Lee Corso!

Mark Schlabach on Twitter: "Former IU player suffered concussion in practice b4 '15 season. His father said son was rushed back to workouts & symptoms went "haywire"" (https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/804424274274492416)

Might be Diamont, yes. He did say he was quitting after the season.

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Won't be able to hold my tongue much longer

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Smith says team told him he had bruise in back. He went to a doctor and was told it was a blood clot. Wilson still pressured to play #ifub
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Former IU player Laray Smith tells the IDS that Wilson forced players to play through injuries #iufb

Welp, if this stuff about forcing injured players to play is true, then IU is making the right call. I sure hope they promote Tom Allen to HC in his place.

That back bruise/blood clot stuff is horrific, if true.

And probably a good reason why that Harvard study advocated for NFL medical staffs to be fully independent vs team-owned.

From an IU board:

Hey guys, been running around town and making some calls/texts, and this certainly appears to be related to the mistreatment of players, specifically as it pertains to injuries. Players were told to play through injuries and were apparently even told not to talk to trainers, one source said.

Dominique Booth appears to be at the center of this. His IU career was cut short due to injuries and he's been releasing his story the past couple days via Twitter.

More.


It sounds like Diamont's comments last week about concussions and needing his brain, all that stuff, inspired IU to look into Wilson's approach to injured players.

Some interesting thoughts from a former Wilson player:

Kevin Wilson once ripped my buckled helmet off my head, spit on my jersey, & punched me in chest during practice.[br]But the guy could coach.— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) December 1, 2016

[B]That being said...Kevin Wilson got the absolute most out of his players. I will forever be indebted to him for teaching me what it took.— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) December 1, 2016

Kevin Wilson was just old school. Maximum effort/toughness or you don't play for him. Unreal intensity & candor. Not for the thin skinned.— Gabe Ikard (@GabeIkard) December 1, 2016

If any one of those incidents is true, good on IU for firing him.

If any one of those incidents is true, good on IU for firing him.

And if they aren't, I hope he ends up owning a state university.

Sounds like Tom Allen will be interim coach and they are working on a contract to make him permanent HC.

247Sports (http://indiana.247sports.com/Bolt/Tom-Allen-named-Indiana-head-coach-49459605)

Tom Allen has been announced as the permanent head coach after Coach Wilson resigned.

And if they aren't, I hope he ends up owning a state university.

I'd imagine he'd just get his buyout amount

He gets one year of base pay. $542,000 was the number, I think. It seems like they had Wilson with a fireable offense, and offered him a way to get out without being fired.

Very happy with the Allen promotion. Strange day.

Speaking of Baylor, Morris to Baylor seems to be losing momentum...

I know the pay would be nice, but not sure if Baylor is a situation a coach is going to recover from easily. They're down to 50 scholarship players after this year's graduating class and I doubt that's the only attrition we see. They also only have 1 player committed currently.

They're going to pay well so they'll get someone better than they should, but whoever it is may have to walk on water just to make that team competitive in the near future.

I know the pay would be nice, but not sure if Baylor is a situation a coach is going to recover from easily. They're down to 50 scholarship players after this year's graduating class and I doubt that's the only attrition we see. They also only have 1 player committed currently.

They're going to pay well so they'll get someone better than they should, but whoever it is may have to walk on water just to make that team competitive in the near future.

It's going to be close to a death penalty without the NCAA lifting a finger.

I'd imagine he'd just get his buyout amount

At the time of my comment, it appeared he was fired largely on the basis of a few player interviews.

If he chose to step aside due to "philosophical differences", that's a different situation.

At the time of my comment, it appeared he was fired largely on the basis of a few player interviews.

If he chose to step aside due to "philosophical differences", that's a different situation.

He walked away from a $2.5 million buyout with $540k. They had something on him.

He walked away from a $2.5 million buyout with $540k. They had something on him.

I can imagine being $2m worth of fed up with admins honestly.

Their own outside investigation cleared any misconduct (if we're to believe what I've read anyway), so this looks like it comes down to they wanted to tell him how to do his job. Not sure that's worth $2m.

Brohm to Purdue is being reported.

Brohm to Purdue is being reported.

Thats a great hire for Quarterback U.

Brohm to Purdue is being reported.

Does he still coach the WKU game tomorrow?

Thats a great hire for Quarterback U.

Agreed.

Brohm to Purdue is being reported.
Interesting. Wonder if Fleck is holding out for/is already in negotiations with Oregon?

Sounds like it's not 100% done but should be soon.

I prefer Brohm to Fleck. It's a shallow pool of coaches this year and getting Brohm is as good as it can get for Purdue.

Former players weigh in on Coach Wilson.

Wynn, former Hoosiers discuss playing under Wilson (http://indiana.247sports.com/Article/Ralston-Evans-Collin-Rahrig-Isaiah-Roundtree-Shane-Wynn-discuss--49475577)

I don't see Purdue as an upgrade, when he's already built up Western Michigan. Seems like he should go somewhere he can build back up quickly. WKU to Purdue makes a lot more sense as an upgrade.

I don't see Purdue as an upgrade, when he's already built up Western Michigan. Seems like he should go somewhere he can build back up quickly. WKU to Purdue makes a lot more sense as an upgrade.

Purdue is a huge upgrade over the MAC.

A couple of average seasons at Western Michigan and the Oregons and other schools aren't interested anymore. A couple of. 500 years at Purdue and he's still a hot name thats proven himself at the p5 level.

Purdue is a huge upgrade over the MAC.

A couple of average seasons at Western Michigan and the Oregons and other schools aren't interested anymore. A couple of. 500 years at Purdue and he's still a hot name thats proven himself at the p5 level.

I had agreed with what you wrote but then looked into it some more...did you know Danny Hope got fired by Purdue after doing exactly that - going .500 in his final two years? They won their bowl game in 2011 to go to 7-6, and he got fired before the 2012 bowl game.

Still don't disagree; it's a tough job in an even tougher conference than it was a few years back. At least he'd be in the right division. But damn...hard to please out there.

BTW Hope didn't coach again until ended up at USF as their OL coach in 2015.

I completely disagree with Atoceps assessment. It's a 6 or 7 team hill to climb in the Big 10, and those are 6 or 7 teams that are at the top of the mountain. If Purdue is his end game for the next 6-7 years than I guess that's fine, but if he wants more than Purdue in that time frame, he should aim higher or stay put.

I had agreed with what you wrote but then looked into it some more...did you know Danny Hope got fired by Purdue after doing exactly that - going .500 in his final two years? They won their bowl game in 2011 to go to 7-6, and he got fired before the 2012 bowl game.

Still don't disagree; it's a tough job in an even tougher conference than it was a few years back. At least he'd be in the right division. But damn...hard to please out there.

BTW Hope didn't coach again until ended up at USF as their OL coach in 2015.

Even with that in consideration the G5 jobs just aren't set up to have sustained success and you have to strike when you're hot. Boise is an exception. Fleck can definitely do better as far as jobs go, but Purdue is still an upgrade. If they were in the other big 10 division I wouldn't touch the job.

My bad. Yeah, I guess division wise he could probably contend within 3 years.

Even with that in consideration the G5 jobs just aren't set up to have sustained success and you have to strike when you're hot. Boise is an exception. Fleck can definitely do better as far as jobs go, but Purdue is still an upgrade. If they were in the other big 10 division I wouldn't touch the job.

Agreed. The only exceptions are schools that have a ton of money/resources to possibly keep on contending from the G5 slots. If Herman stayed at Houston, if Morris keeps on improving SMU...they have enough donor money to stay relevant and keep coaches. I don't think WMU fits that.

Fleck would have had better opportunities than Purdue (but below Oregon) if circumstances changed where either last year's openings were free this year, or if his WMU timeline was pushed up a year. There were a bunch of P5 openings in the midwest and he would have been a slam dunk hire for Rutgers as he was an assistant here previously. Same probably goes for Maryland.

Sounds like it's not 100% done but should be soon.

I prefer Brohm to Fleck. It's a shallow pool of coaches this year and getting Brohm is as good as it can get for Purdue.

I like this pool of young coaches better than most years recently. Herman, Fleck, Brohm, and Taggart are young and have won at the G5 level pretty consistently. There's another group behind them in Morris, Frost, Creighton and a few others (Nick Rolovich?) who may be getting a look soon.

I had agreed with what you wrote but then looked into it some more...did you know Danny Hope got fired by Purdue after doing exactly that - going .500 in his final two years? They won their bowl game in 2011 to go to 7-6, and he got fired before the 2012 bowl game.

Still don't disagree; it's a tough job in an even tougher conference than it was a few years back. At least he'd be in the right division. But damn...hard to please out there.

BTW Hope didn't coach again until ended up at USF as their OL coach in 2015.

Off-the-field stuff -- a lot of which has never come out to my knowledge. Highlights include blowing off big boosters, no-showing at community outreach events, failed player drug tests with no repercussions, and separate rules for players based on whether you were in or out of the dog house (i.e. you don't have to practice today because coach likes you, but everyone else runs extra kind of bullshit). Some of the inmates were running the asylum, so they had to fire him.

I like this pool of young coaches better than most years recently. Herman, Fleck, Brohm, and Taggart are young and have won at the G5 level pretty consistently. There's another group behind them in Morris, Frost, Creighton and a few others (Nick Rolovich?) who may be getting a look soon.

They way I look at it is if the WVU job had opened this offseason would any of those guys excite me? Herman was waiting for Texas so I don't really count him. WVU checked in on him last offseason and he made that clear. After that there isn't a single guy out there right now that I'd get excited about hiring.

With Oregon and Texas taking the top 2 coaches out there it isn't a good year to be searching for a coach IMO. It was smart for Purdue to get an early start and grab Brohm when they could. If the Mississippi State job and some other comparable jobs start to open up I'm not sure there's enough good hires out there.

Who are the hot Coordinators? Are there any?

Who are the hot Coordinators? Are there any?

Kiffin

A little surprised Justin Wilcox's name isn't getting tossed around a bit more.

It's going to be close to a death penalty without the NCAA lifting a finger.

Reap what you sow.

Who are the hot Coordinators? Are there any?

Pleasantly shocked that Brent Venables doesn't get more publicity...

I've never seen a statement like the one Houston released regarding Art Briles. Dude is toxic.

Exclusive: 2015 investigation into player treatment contributed to Kevin Wilson's resignation (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/12/03/exclusive-2015-investigation-into-player-treatment-contributed-kevin-wilsons-resignation/94862298/)

Taggart and Harsin both interviewed with Oregon. Tony Dungy publicly backed Taggart, but his results on turning around two programs at WKU and now USF isn't too bad. Would be interesting to see what he could do with Nike bucks.



Oregon Ducks athletic director meets with USF Bulls' Willie Taggart, Boise State Broncos' Bryan Harsin (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18195873/oregon-ducks-athletic-director-meets-usf-bulls-willie-taggart-boise-state-broncos-bryan-harsin?ex_cid=espnapi_public)

I'd like to see what Taggart could do there as well. His Florida area ties should help recruiting.

I wonder how much longer it will be before a bigger program looks at Matt Rhule. Back-to-back 10 win years at Temple is pretty impressive.

Tommy Tuberville resigned from Cincinnati.

Brohm to Purdue official.

I wonder how much longer it will be before a bigger program looks at Matt Rhule. Back-to-back 10 win years at Temple is pretty impressive.

Sounds like he is going to Baylor.

Sounds like he is going to Baylor.

Didn't see that coming at all. They're going to have to run a completely different offense.

Didn't see that coming at all. They're going to have to run a completely different offense.

Yeah, I hadn't heard his name mentioned at all in connection to Baylor until the hiring was announced.

Have Ducks cooled off on Taggart? | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/have-ducks-cooled-off-on-taggart/2305273)

Unsubstantiated reports that Oregon interested in James Franklin. Hm.

Have Ducks cooled off on Taggart? | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/have-ducks-cooled-off-on-taggart/2305273)

Unsubstantiated reports that Oregon interested in James Franklin. Hm.

While I doubt it happens, would be funny to see that on the heels of Rhule to Baylor as he was seen as the guy to follow Franklin when that seat got warm.

Yeah, I hadn't heard his name mentioned at all in connection to Baylor until the hiring was announced.
And now Wolken is reporting that Oregon made a big play for him too. Must be humbling for the Ducks to lose out to Baylor.

At this point, I'd be somewhat surprised to see Franklin leave Penn State. I say somewhat because you never know what is going on behind the scenes but...

He's got recruiting going better than it has been at Penn State since I can remember, certainly better than the last decade of Paterno's tenure. After going through the first two years of barely over .500 winning, and dealing with the last of the sanction depth issues, it seems like they've turned the corner. Winning the B1G this year was probably a season or two earlier than could have been realistically expected. The team is pretty well set for next year. On offense, the only starter that won't have eligibility next year is the center. Everyone else can come back. Barkley can't leave until after next year and other than maybe Chris Godwin I don't think any of the rest of them are either ready, or good enough, to declare for the draft. Maybe Gesicki, but he had a terrible season in 2015 so he might be counseled to come back for his sr year and prove this year wasn't a fluke. On defense, only starters Evan Schwan, Brandon Bell, and Malik Golden are out of eligibility.

Bigger risk to them for next season is if OC Joe Moorehead leaves. Never heard of him before he was hired, but he's been a perfect fit.

I don't think Rhule was viewed as Franklin's successor.

I would never say never, but that would be hard for me to envision too. It's not his alma mater, but it's basically his own back yard and it seems like he's going to recruit well there. I don't see what would be in it for him to move to Oregon.

edit: yeah, other than money, but I kinda think PSU would be able to cover that, too

Yeah, seems like wishful thinking on the part of Oregon. I don't see any chance Franklin would ditch Penn State for the Ducks.

Oh yeah - I can imagine a few people giving him hell for it if he jumped, too. :D

Taggart to Oregon.

Franklin's people earning him a raise as I dont think Oregon had him as a candidate either way. I know the dream was Chip, but that was a tough call, he needed to do a Petrino and that wasn't going to happen, so they couldnt risk waiting too much longer. Taggert is a good fit, though expecting him to reach a Chip level of dominance in the PNW is foolish, UW fans can rest at ease :)

Taggart to Oregon.

I don't see him looking good in Nike apparel, while working up a "Number 6"

http://www.ranthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/slim-pickens.jpg

I dont see Taggart as a PNW guy.I hope I am wrong because I like him a lot. Had dinner with he and his wife earlier this year, actually. Great guy.

Wish he would have taken the Miami job last year. In South Florida he would have been a force.

Figured he had some connections there from his time at Stanford.

I dont see Taggart as a PNW guy.I hope I am wrong because I like him a lot. Had dinner with he and his wife earlier this year, actually. Great guy.

Wish he would have taken the Miami job last year. In South Florida he would have been a force.

You don't have to be a PNW guy to succeed in the PNW. You just have to be able to recruit in California.

Taggart is an intriguing hire for them. I expect he'll recruit well. The bigger question is what he'll be able to do with that talent. Be interesting to see what kind of staff he builds too.

I bet Schiano takes the USF job if they offer it. South Florida is his bread and butter and how he turned Rutgers around, he's ready to be a head coach again and probably has a house down there.

Wonder if his time with the Bucs will be seen as a detriment there, but otherwise...could be a good move and not a Rutgers deal with a bare cupboard.

I bet Charlie Strong would kill it at USF.

I bet Charlie Strong would kill it at USF.

No doubt, but I just wonder if it'd be worth it, especially with that Texas parachute (though he has to take a pay cut based on his new job...) seems like a Minnesota-type gig with no real pressure in a major conference would be better than having to win 9-10 games a year like he did at Louisville.

I bet Schiano takes the USF job if they offer it. South Florida is his bread and butter and how he turned Rutgers around, he's ready to be a head coach again and probably has a house down there.

Wonder if his time with the Bucs will be seen as a detriment there, but otherwise...could be a good move and not a Rutgers deal with a bare cupboard.

Think he completes his two year commitment to Urban and tries for a P5 job next year.

Lane to Houston.

Donte Williams is going to Nebraska and is taking like half the kids from SoCal it seems

Lane to Houston.

Guess I'll have to check their future schedule and try to figure out which airport to pick him up at this time.

Have fun with that Cougs.

Might want to just adjourn, rather than disband, that search committee though.

Might not be done yet. Houston AD seemingly refutes Kiffin rumors with clever tweet | Yardbarker.com (http://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/houston_ad_seemingly_refutes_lane_kiffin_rumors_with_clever_tweet/s1_127_22646113)

Sounds like they want the candidate to agree to a huge buyout if they leave early...

University officials to meet over coaching candidates for Houston Cougars' vacancy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18235257/university-officials-meet-coaching-candidates-houston-cougars-vacancy)

Kiffin not happening if this is their desire. Applewhite seems like the bet to me, he's been wanting to be a head coach since he stopped playing.

The tweet from the AD is gold, though.

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That's great.

Major Applewhite is the new HC at Houston.

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I think Houston figured out that Kiffin found out about the job after Googling "Cougars in Houston" on a recruiting trip.

*Adapted from some guy on Twitter.

Called it. They get continuity, he wants to be there and he's a coaching prospect in his own right.

It definitely is a smarter hire.

USF losses Taggart and looks likely to land Strong. How lucky can you get? Perfect gig for him outside of the P5.

Charlie Strong in preliminary talks for South Florida Bulls head-coaching job (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18243353/charlie-strong-preliminary-talks-south-florida-bulls-head-coaching-job)

Strong seems like an obvious choice for USF. Pretty good gig, and he's got some roots there.

It is official now, Strong to USF. I really liked him in Austin, and wish it would have turned out different here.

Herman just poached Rutgers' OC, Drew Mehringer, and brought him home to Texas for an assistant position.

It is official now, Strong to USF. I really liked him in Austin, and wish it would have turned out different here.
I like him - seems from afar like one of those coaches that tries to do things the right way. I guess it just wasn't a great fit at Texas?

Also, I'm laughing at the Oregon fans that thought they were going to get him as their DC.

Also, I'm laughing at the Oregon fans that thought they were going to get him as their DC.

Eh, I wouldn't laugh too hard about that one.

Best I can tell he had more interest as a DC than he generated as a head coach.
And,given his record, rightfully so.

There were second/third tier opportunities available, he took one of those.
But it doesn't seem inconceivable that he could have ended up as a coordinator again, Oregon would have been a reasonable possibility among quite a few.

I like him - seems from afar like one of those coaches that tries to do things the right way. I guess it just wasn't a great fit at Texas?

Also, I'm laughing at the Oregon fans that thought they were going to get him as their DC.

Seems like this job kept him from being their DC, no?

Seems like this job kept him from being their DC, no?
Yes, and that's why I was laughing. Seemed highly likely he'd get another HC gig.

Herman just poached Rutgers' OC, Drew Mehringer, and brought him home to Texas for an assistant position.

Good riddance.

The whole Strong should be a major college DC thing was always a little far-fetched when you consider the guy was at Florida forever and surely after running your own program and waiting to get a head coaching job as long as he did, you don't want to go follow somebody else's rules even if you like them.

USF was 10-2 this year, so I suppose that makes it a better landing spot than if he were walking into another rebuilding job and with his ties to the area and the relatively easy way to get into a NY6 bowl by winning, they might be able to do something down there.

Given he could've just sat on the Texas money and done something else, clearly he just wanted to get back on the sideline.



If he lands another job during his payout period, he must pay Texas 50 percent of what he earns at his new position, the contract states. (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/report-strong-expected-to-be-named-usf-coach/2305888)


Apparently bringing most of his staff with him. They said his loyalty is part of what was his downfall, but he's not the first coach to have that problem.

Chris Low on Twitter: "Charlie Strong would like to take most of his staff from Texas with him to South Florida, including offensive coordinator Sterlin Gilbert." (https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/807988499249057792)

I like him - seems from afar like one of those coaches that tries to do things the right way. I guess it just wasn't a great fit at Texas?



He wasnt who the money men at Texas wanted from the get go.
He wasnt a Texas Guy and he wasnt white.
He was doomed.

I know of 2 separate prospects, who as far as I can tell dont know each other and never crossed paths, who tell an eerily similar story of Texas Boosters convincing them NOT to go to Texas because of Strong. Charlie Strong is a P5 quality Head Coach and I suspect he will get there again and sooner than later. As a Clemson fan Strong at SCar and GT is about as bad a scenario as I can imagine against either rival.

Yes, and that's why I was laughing. Seemed highly likely he'd get another HC gig.

Eh, they landed Brady Hoke, it wasn't really unreasonable

Was hoping UCLA could make a run at Sterling Gilbert

Lane Kiffin to FAU. Wonder who he'll sign with next year during a team meeting where he's assuring his players that he's staying.

Alabama Crimson Tide OC Lane Kiffin to be next head coach of Florida Atlantic Owls (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18262108/alabama-crimson-tide-oc-lane-kiffin-next-head-coach-florida-atlantic-owls)

Welp. Guess he figured it was time to get back at it. Certainly has to be a slice of humble pie, is FAU going to somehow pay him more than Alabama did?

Oh, didn't realize:

Kiffin's contract with Alabama was set to expire after this season, and he wasn't expected to return, helping to explain why he made a hard push to find a head-coaching job -- even if it meant a step down in prestige and most likely a pay cut.

Eh, they landed Brady Hoke, it wasn't really unreasonable
Hoke was out of work for a year before Oregon hired him. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Steve Sarkisian to 'Bama to replace Kiffin at OC.

Steve Sarkisian to 'Bama to replace Kiffin at OC.
Good for Sark. Hope he's got his alcohol issue under control.

I guess that means Clay Helton is a future Crimson Tide OC. :D

Minor thing unless you're into Georgia HS football but ... veteran HC Jess Simpson of Buford steps down to take over as DL coach at Georgia State. In 20 seasons at Buford (as both ass't and HC) Simpson has been part of 10 state titles (7 as HC)

Jerry Kill is going to be the Rutgers OC.

Hope he's healthy enough to do it.

Jerry Kill is going to be the Rutgers OC.

Happy with it. There are always gonna be health concerns with him, but he is a good coach, and I wanted Ash to bring in a veteran HC on his staff when he was first fired, so this is a double + in my book.

Good for Jerry Kill. I hope he is healthy and has no issues.

Didn't want to put this in the bowl thread or bump last year's carousel thread, but the Kyle Flood era leaves us with one last kick in the dick:

NCAA hits Rutgers football with notice of 7 possible violations | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2016/12/rutgers_ncaa.html)

How bad of a coach are you, that you cheat and still lose.

How bad of a coach are you, that you cheat and still lose.

We had a great example of this at Syracuse - Greg Robinson went 10-37 and had 5 of those wins vacated. Including the one win (v. mighty Buffalo) in a 1-10 season.

How bad of a coach are you, that you cheat and still lose.

Flood was so bad at recruiting that he only signed one of the 40 top 10 NJ kids over the course of his tenure.

Guess for which kid he got busted trying to get a grade changed?

UCONNHUSKIES.COM :: Randy Edsall To Lead Football Program :: University of Connecticut Huskies Official Athletic Site :: Football (http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122816aaa.html)

Randy Edsall heading back to UConn. I mean, it makes sense since he was just basically in a NFL desk job without much to do and probably wasn't going to get any other FBS job besides this one where he'd be viewed as the white knight. Five year deal with a fairly high buyout but it's not like people are going to knock his door down after the Maryland fiasco, alas...

The terms of Edsall's contract will include $1 million annually in guaranteed compensation, with the opportunity to earn bonuses based on performance and achievement, for a term of five years. The buyouts for the University and Edsall will mirror each other beginning at $3 million and decreasing $1 million each year to zero after the third year.

Dont know where to put this....but WOW.

Stay Classy, coach Freeze.

Recruit says Hugh Freeze has an interesting way to describe Ole Miss' NCAA troubles - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/28/14102722/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-recruiting-ncaa-investigation-jesus)

Jon I know you are a convert with your son there, but this sleeze ball has to grate you the wrong way, right?

Jon I know you are a convert with your son there, but this sleeze ball has to grate you the wrong way, right?

Without even reading the story, I can tell you that I've told my son all along that they'd end up on probation before he could graduate.

I think Freeze is probably one of the 3-4 worst phonies in the coaching business, and is as dirty as they come. Possibly bordering on classic SMU level of dirty.

And he gets even less of a pass from me than, say, CMR. I think Richt's "sainthood" was something that took on a life of its own, whereas Freeze tends to promote the image as best he can himself.

So, no, I'm not a fan of his in the least. I think he spent a couple years coaching the best team money could buy.

Texas hires Ohio State's Tim Beck to be their new offensive coordinator. He replaced Herman at Ohio State when Herman left to be head coach at Houston.

Texas can have him...!


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I'm sure it was a mutual parting. Meyer made hints that he was going to make offensive changes.

Minnesota fires Claeys.

Minnesota fires Claeys.

Fourth coach in a row that failed to beat Wisconsin.

Will the Goofs be able to convince PJ Fleck to go to that dumpster fire? (not really a dumpster fire on the field but off.......)

Jeez. I thought that guy did a prettu good job.

Fourth coach in a row that failed to beat Wisconsin.

Will the Goofs be able to convince PJ Fleck to go to that dumpster fire? (not really a dumpster fire on the field but off.......)

The timing suggests that they think they've got someone lined up who wasn't available yet. It would be an interesting move for both sides.

Tough to overcome pretty clear insubordination.

Ucla hires Jedd Fisch to be their new OC.

Jeez. I thought that guy did a prettu good job.

For a team that had no QB to speak of, yeah, it wasn't a bad job IMO.
He could have done some things better, not sure how much better that would have made their final record however.

Rumor that Kevin Wilson will be the new OC at Ohio State.

The timing suggests that they think they've got someone lined up who wasn't available yet. It would be an interesting move for both sides.
I wonder if they think they have a shot at Chip Kelly?

PJ Fleck is the rumor Im hearing for Minny

And Iowa hangs onto a dead fish like Greg Davis while OSU, who has gone 61-6 under Meyer, fires their OC.

F Ferentz

I wonder if they think they have a shot at Chip Kelly?

That would certainly be interesting.

I would be amazed if the Minnesota AD has/had anyone lined up. Minnesota is a graveyard for college football coaches and any half-sexy name is not going to go there. The End.

Sexual assault cover ups cost you jobs these days

Sexual assault cover ups cost you jobs these daysYou have information I haven't seen? Like Digamma I just thought he clearly undermined the (embattled) AD & President during that kerfuffle. Which is also an obvious way to get yourself fired unless you're a legend at a football factory.

Sexual assault cover ups cost you jobs these days

As does supporting players who grew weary of the p.c. assaults on college campuses these days.

The players were right to demand answers, the coach was right to support them in that effort.

I don't know if he's the right coach for the situation there but this was more about punishing him for doing the right thing than anything else.

The press here is reporting that he had met privately with the AD and President and signed off on the suspensions, thus the insubordination.

The local mood is that there was really no other option.

Plus, there's clearly a difference between criminal charges and having your team in the headlines for something that is probably just a wee bit north of a p.c. assault on a college campus. The players folded pretty quickly once they saw the university's report.

Les Miles interviewing for the Minnesota job.

http://kfan.iheart.com/onair/gopher-blog-35312/report-les-miles-flying-to-twin-15442606/

Greg Davis is going to have a diminished role on the coaching staff. WTF is going on?
Man, Im just frustrated at this point.

In regards to Miles, that means another B1G team with a better coach than Iowa.

Plus, there's clearly a difference between criminal charges and having your team in the headlines for something that is probably just a wee bit north of a p.c. assault on a college campus.

There is no justification for the now common lynch mobs posing as committees that have infected college campuses afaic. The players were forced to battle a demon that should never have been conjured in the first place.

I'd trust the word of a crack dealer & two guys named Mohammed parking a load of fertilizer outside Air Force One before I'd trust one of these faux commissions/panels. Among the very worst of the very worst victim culture left wing whackadoos.

There is no justification for the now common lynch mobs posing as committees that have infected college campuses afaic. The players were forced to battle a demon that should never have been conjured in the first place.

I'd trust the word of a crack dealer & two guys named Mohammed parking a load of fertilizer outside Air Force One before I'd trust one of these faux commissions/panels. Among the very worst of the very worst victim culture left wing whackadoos.

Did you even read the report? It was disgusting the things that are mentioned in there.

Anyway, Claeys was an easy scapegoat for the whole thing because of his contract situation. When you give a guy a 3 year deal, you know you have no intention of keeping him long term, so just give up the charade.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ITS OFFICIAL: PJ Fleck is leaving WMU for Minnesota head coach position.</p>&mdash; WZZM 13 On Your Side (@wzzm13) <a href="https://twitter.com/wzzm13/status/817243379197247488">January 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That's just such a weird move for him, but I guess he felt like he had to strike while the iron is hot. Plus that is a lot of money to leave on the table to slum it in Kalamazoo. But man...such a weird move. AD knew he was doing though, if you can get the hottest coach on the market you gotta take him.

I guess Fleck didn't think he could build Boise Midwest, so he got out after an almost undefeated season.

Also some pretty solid jokes in reddit/CFB including one flipping
"Row the Boat" with "Shovel The Snow"

Dola:

I guess the reddit types said that he for sure only wanted to coach in the Midwest, that he wanted Northwestern because he's from that area but of course that's not gonna open anytime soon and wanted to live in a city, which is why Purdue was never in play after they secretly visited Lafayette this year...

And so apparently the story is/was that if Minnesota opened he'd for sure take it and well, so here we are. Such a trip. Interesting, we'll see how that goes.

Did you even read the report? It was disgusting the things that are mentioned in there.

I have little confidence in reports prepared in the manner this one was.

It could be the most heinous assault in the history of the world.
It could also be considerable creativity applied to create a predetermined outcome.

I'd trust the word of a crack dealer & two guys named Mohammed parking a load of fertilizer outside Air Force One before I'd trust one of these faux commissions/panels. Among the very worst of the very worst victim culture left wing whackadoos.
I'm sure muns really appreciates the level of contempt you have for his job.

I have little confidence in reports prepared in the manner this one was.

It could be the most heinous assault in the history of the world.
It could also be considerable creativity applied to create a predetermined outcome.

Please just give it up here as you think you know what you are talking about and you simply don't.

Those reports take WEEKS, not hours to do. I have better things to do with my time, just as every single person doing that job does. We aren't the boggy man, and not for nothing, when you find someone responsible, you have to go to bed at night knowing that you are basically ending their college career, which alters their life earnings. You change everything, and knowing that is hard.

So in short, its not a light decision as you seem to suggest that it is because the investigators name is attached to it.

Real stuff, emotional stuff, gets played out on all THREE ends. The victim, the perpetrator, and the investigator. There is no predetermined outcome.

Last thought. If you or anybody else actually read both reports, you would know that The University of Minnesota just ran circles around the police department in this case. Our justice system failed here, because wins and losses matter more on somebody's court record. Someone simply didn't want to risk it.

I'm sure muns really appreciates the level of contempt you have for his job.

ehhhh it's honestly not a big deal, but thanks bud.

I understand why people don't like it. Hell I didn't want to do it myself at first. But as time goes by, and you can clearly see it from this past case, colleges and universities are getting trained more, and unless something is overhauled within the justice system, will eventually get better at doing these cases. I mean the paper work alone is staggering in this case. 80+ pages to 20+ pages. I mean come on. How does a university spend more time investigating than the police?

Yes, but since a couple of girls famously lied or exaggerated, that means they all do. Right Jon?

I have little confidence in reports prepared in the manner this one was.

It could be the most heinous assault in the history of the world.
It could also be considerable creativity applied to create a predetermined outcome.

The irony here is strong.

I have little confidence in reports prepared in the manner this one was.

It could be the most heinous assault in the history of the world.
It could also be considerable creativity applied to create a predetermined outcome.

Why do you so vigorously defend rape?

I've read the report and while it honestly sounded more like a pron script than a witch hunt.

I think there is considerable room in the middle for both sides here.
I suspect the young lady started out willingly (heck she may have been a willing participant through the whole thing I dont know) then at some point said either:
A) what have I done or
B) (And more likely in my experience) What will my friends think if they find out about this.

or possibly she was ok with several of the guys but one of them she either was turned off by, or he was too rough with her or whatever. What we dont know, and what I fear here, if she started willingly did she ever express that she changed her mind. That to me is the razor thin line between between college debauchery one over board and criminal conduct.

I remember a case at Iowa many years ago. A young lady showed up at the dorm room of one of our BB players. She had a long coat on. And nothing else. And had been drinking.
The next day she went to the ER and had anal bruising.

Seems she wasnt really thinking clearly when she went there. The player was charged with rape. Was it? Only 2 people know for sure. But I think the girl got in way over her head on that one. And the player got nailed.

What if I told you the players may have been smoking marijuana?

What if I told you the players may have been smoking marijuana?

What if I told you the young lady may have as well? (we know she was taking vodka shots)
What does that change?

What if I told you the players may have been smoking marijuana?

Then lock their asses up. There's a process for that after all.
And I can continue to advocated for strengthening that process & the penalties it entails.

Even my draconian "perfect world" for that topic (2nd offense = capital crime) only kicks in once you adjust the legal procedure accordingly.

There's not an element of my positions or proposals that calls for handing enforcement powers to an agenda-laden committee and handing them rope.

What if I told you the young lady may have as well? (we know she was taking vodka shots)
What does that change?

{gasp} How dare you.

No one but males can ever be assigned any responsibility for anything that bad that happens. What sort of neanderthal are you?

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Wahwahweewah. Happy for my negative ass to be wrong. Long way to go, but this seems like a step in the right direction.

Greg Davis retires.
Thank the Lord.

Brian Ferentz expected to take over.
God damn it.

:eek:

Wahwahweewah. Happy for my negative ass to be wrong. Long way to go, but this seems like a step in the right direction.

How is there a long way to go when you're coming off the best season since Glen Mason was there and recruiting has been middle of the B1G like it should be?

Greg Davis retires.
Thank the Lord.

Brian Ferentz expected to take over.
God damn it.

lol

Now that PJ Fleck has experience losing to Wisconsin, he is a perfect fit for the Gophers :)

Looks like our WR coach Bobby Kennedy is gone also. Which is another great thing.

Too bad this is as far as it goes.

How is there a long way to go when you're coming off the best season since Glen Mason was there and recruiting has been middle of the B1G like it should be?

I guess it depends on what your goal is. My goal for football and basketball has basically been, "why the f**k can't we be doing what Wisconsin is?"

I guess it depends on what your goal is. My goal for football and basketball has basically been, "why the f**k can't we be doing what Wisconsin is?"

I hear you, bro

Lol. So apparently Western Michigan owns the trademark on Row the Boat and Fleck can't use it anymore.

I was justill listening a bit on the radio and haven't had a chance to dive in but this sounds like a fun direction to head in.

Ole Miss is about to hire Trooper Taylor...this is a giant middle finger pointed right at the NCAA .

Probation sharks swimming and you hire the only coach on the planet to make John Blake blush....

Dykes fired at Cal.

Dykes fired at Cal.
Odd timing, especially since they haven't announced a new hire right on the heels of the firing. I get firing Dykes, but why now and not a month ago?

I'm sure Cal fans want Chip Kelly, but it sounds like Justin Wilcox is the front-runner. Pretty good DC, and he should be able to assemble a good staff (rumors of Tosh coming back which will make Cal fans' heads explode). Rumors that he'd target Washington's Jimmy Lake for DC, but I don't see that as likely to work out, and besides - you'd expect him to go after his buddy Peter Sirmon instead.

Sounds like Cal is going with Justin Wilcox, DC from Wisconsin.

I have a feeling that we'll see Jim Leonhard eventually take over Wisconsin's defense. Maybe not yet, but it's coming. Until then, Bucky will plug and play.

Did you see the NCAA is allowing the hiring of a 10th coach.

Interesting development.