Starting the week with a barn burning match-up, Buffalo at Cleveland.

The Browns look like giant turds out there. Probably the reason they've never worn all brown in the history of the franchise. :lol:

Hoyer left the game midway through the first quarter with what looked like some kind of leg injury. Weeden is in.

Hoyer left the game midway through the first quarter with what looked like some kind of leg injury. Weeden is in.

I think I heard the collective sigh in Cleveland from here.

Nice punt return for touchdown by Travis Benjamin. Cleveland up 17-10 after falling behind by 10 points early on.

Who do you turn to when all your WR's keep getting banged up? New England Patriots sign veteran Austin Collie - ESPN Boston (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9763203/new-england-patriots-sign-veteran-austin-collie)

No way this ends badly! Also, the "Zach Sudfeld is a sleeper fantasy TE" predictions are all officially done, as he was released today.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I love Collie. Remember seeing him at Colts camp. He was a rookie, but he stayed on the field to train when everyone left except Peyton. Impressed the heck out of me. I hope he does well, even in New England. Before his concussions, he was a very productive wide receiver. I thought he was our best 3rd down receiver.

Signed Hoyer as a bye week fill-in in my 2QB fantasy league. Got 4 minutes out of him.

Weeden kept the ship together later in the game, but a couple of great punt returns by Benjamin really kept the Browns together when everything could have fallen apart.

crap...Bills lose again. At least I happen to like the Browns.

Browns now 3-0 without Richardson.

And their run game has essentially been terrible during those games.

Barkevious Mingo has been the biggest difference, IMO. He is goooood.

Barkevious Mingo has been the biggest difference, IMO. He is goooood.Josh Gordon coming back and giving them a 2nd legitimate receiving threat has been huge too.

Nope Trent was a locker room cancer who sabotaged the team into trading him

Saints have had problems going into Chicago to play. I hope that they win, but I expect that they will lose a close, low-scoring, game.

Saints have had problems going into Chicago to play. I hope that they win, but I expect that they will lose a close, low-scoring, game.

Bears defense is old and lacking a pass rush, and has been prone to the big play this year. Fortunate turnovers and some idiocy by opposing teams is what their defense has been relying on.

It's gonna be a shootout, unless Cutler does his best Bad Rex impression again - in which case, big blowout.

I have no idea why I have a soft spot for the Browns, but I do. I like it when they are winning.

I don't think the Richardson trade has a direct effect on this streak, but maybe it's a collective thing with them. The world thought it would lead to them tanking...and maybe pride is kicking in to some extent? That and I think the Browns finally have some leadership that can get them in the right direction. At any rate, they were damn entertaining last night.

Hoyer torn ACL confirmed, done for the year.

That really sucks to see.

I don't think the Richardson trade has a direct effect on this streak, but maybe it's a collective thing with them. The world thought it would lead to them tanking...and maybe pride is kicking in to some extent? That and I think the Browns finally have some leadership that can get them in the right direction. At any rate, they were damn entertaining last night.

Is there a life size cut out of the owner in the locker room, where they remove an article of clothing after each win?

Was there an NFL game last night?

I thought it was just the Browns.

Hoyer torn ACL confirmed, done for the year.

That really sucks to see.

Crap, hate to see that players finally looking to come into their own, like Jake Locker earlier this season. Sorry Browns fans.

Man that sucks for Hoyer :(

So is Josh Freeman going to be the next Browns QB!?

And their run game has essentially been terrible during those games.

So, about as good as it was the first two games?

When I was watching that play where Manuel got hurt, I was screaming in my head from him to get out of bounds after he made the first down... I could just see that hit coming.

I am in a fantasy league that has defensive players and I will tell you that Agent Kiko Alonso Mosely is a beast.

So, about as good as it was the first two games?

I still think the Browns success is going to unjustly get tied to Richardson being gone when the biggest issue was what was going on with the passing game. I can't imagine Weeden being the guy in the end, but at least he has the rest of the year to prove he can play.

Man, how could one not be rooting for Hoyer and the Browns this season? That totally sucks, Karma Gods.

Man that sucks for Hoyer :(

So is Josh Freeman going to be the next Browns QB!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

:lol: :D

Man, how could one not be rooting for Hoyer and the Browns this season? That totally sucks, Karma Gods.

I guess they don't want to see playoff football in Cleveland, during the winter.
:(

Now that Weeden is back in, the carriage now turns into a pumpkin.

According to ESPN, EJ Manuel is out "a few weeks" with a lcl sprain. They are actively looking for a QB that can start for them October 13 vs Cincinnati. If you know someone who is interested in the position (I'm looking at you Josh Freeman), send your resume to:

Doug Whaley
Ralph Wilson Stadium
1 Bills Drive
Orchard Park, NY 14217

Now that Weeden is back in, the carriage now turns into a pumpkin.

He was the QB for near all of the game that they won. Yeah I know...

Browns still have Stafford, Rodgers, and Brady on their schedule, I am going to be very interested to see if their defense can continue to play well against better offensive opponents.

According to ESPN, EJ Manuel is out "a few weeks" with a lcl sprain. They are actively looking for a QB that can start for them October 13 vs Cincinnati. If you know someone who is interested in the position (I'm looking at you Josh Freeman), send your resume to:

Doug Whaley
Ralph Wilson Stadium
1 Bills Drive
Orchard Park, NY 14217

Is this entry level or are they looking for someone with experience? I have a BA in Political Science and have played 300+ seasons of FOF.

Browns still have Stafford, Rodgers, and Brady on their schedule, I am going to be very interested to see if their defense can continue to play well against better offensive opponents.

Depends a lot on the offense. If Hoyer hadn't gotten hurt, I'd say they'd have a shot. The defense will struggle, though, if the offense can't keep some of the pressure off. Surely Weeden has to realize this is his last chance to impress anyone, not just the Browns.

I still think the Browns success is going to unjustly get tied to Richardson being gone when the biggest issue was what was going on with the passing game. I can't imagine Weeden being the guy in the end, but at least he has the rest of the year to prove he can play.

I wouldn't tie it to him being gone, more that they don't miss him at all. And I know it's only two games and with a brand new team in the middle of the season, but he hasn't had a performance yet in Indy that has the Browns missing him.

Megatron inactive today.

Megatron inactive today.

Information that would have been good to have prior betting the over big in that game

Information that would have been good to have prior betting the over big in that game

Yep...

So much for the Lions breaking their losing streak at GB.

Jacksonville and NYG both up 7-0 in the first 4 minutes... did not see that coming.

What the Hell was Andy Dalton thinking? Way to throw away some points.

If Seattle is going to crush teams on the road...lookout.

Turf at Soldier Field is just an embarrassment.

Very surprised it hasn't caused serious injuries by now.

Okay, I give up. I'm ready to give whatever Breast Cancer charity the NFL chooses any amount of money to make the florescent pink go away. You win again, Roger Fucking Goddell!!!!

Who he hell was Gabbert throwing to?

At the Colts game and they look terrible. Everything is off. Luck and his receivers are on different pages. Reggie has dropped two passes. Hell, even the cheerleaders tried to run onto the field during the Seahawks' extra point. Might be a long day...

How is that not a safety? They don't blow the play dead, the back gets away and runs further into the end zone before finally being tackled, then they blow it dead.

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

God bless TY Hilton

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

Pittsburgh Power?

Here's the latest on Josh from one of our top Bucs beat writers. Not on where he's going but why the Bucs parted ways with him.

Bucs Beat: Freeman to blame for ugly saga (http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat-freeman-to-blame-for-ugly-saga-20131005/)

Pittsburgh Power?

I've always called him a Roethlisburger clone. At least from a size and usability standpoint.

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

I know Buffalo wanted to talk to him.

Is anybody getting any rumors on who Josh Freeman is talking to? I'm not seeing anything.

Freeman tells Glazer a decision is coming tonight | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/06/freeman-tells-glazer-a-decision-is-coming-tonight/)

Thanks Radii. I hope he goes to the Vikings. At least he has a chance for success there. The Raiders seems like a disastrous choice despite it's availability.

Mna, this is a shitty bunch of 1:00 games so far.

Here's the latest on Josh from one of our top Bucs beat writers. Not on where he's going but why the Bucs parted ways with him.

Bucs Beat: Freeman to blame for ugly saga (http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/bucs-beat-freeman-to-blame-for-ugly-saga-20131005/)Nice to be reminded the Red Sox aren't the only team that leaks all the dirt they have on players/managers on their way out the door, and the Boston Globe isn't the only media outlet that will gladly let itself be used as a management mouthpiece. Contrast that to a team like the Patriots who spun off Seymour and Moss for picks partially because they didn't run those players through the mud before getting rid of them.

Wow, what was the ref looking at on that replay? As an Eagles fan I even know that was a bad call. They must have been focusing on the feet and not the ball.

i want to watch the cin/ne game, but i cant stand dan dierdorf

Two weeks in a row, I've watched Seattle hit a QB in the head on a critical play and not have it called. Luck back to pass, his head his hit before he loses the ball and no call. Last week, they drilled Schaub helmet to helmet on a third down play that wasn't called.

I'm really starting to feel like these are the Denver Broncos the year Jake Plummer led them. Good defense, good offense, but a ton of breaks that you cannot count on come playoff time. (the Broncos got the breaks against the Pats and then were destroyed by Pittsburgh)

Nice to be reminded the Red Sox aren't the only team that leaks all the dirt they have on players/managers on their way out the door, and the Boston Globe isn't the only media outlet that will gladly let itself be used as a management mouthpiece. Contrast that to a team like the Patriots who spun off Seymour and Moss for picks partially because they didn't run those players through the mud before getting rid of them.

We didn't run Aqib Talib or Lagarrette Blount through the mud before trading them. :)

Apparently if either Calvin Johnson or Reggie Bush are out, the Lions offense is incapable of doing anything.

Lance Briggs with the boneheaded play of the week, actually jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 on a play everyone in the stadium knew was never gonna be run.

So apparently without megatron Detroit is 3 point team

Yeah. Green Bay's defense is not this good. The absence of Calvin Johnson is a killer.

...now I wish I'd gotten up early enough to see if I could get a cheap ticket to the game from one of the scalpers.

Once James Jones breaks the plane of the goal line it's a TD. What a terrible call. Now you can't even break the plane and get a TD, you have to complete the process. That whole rule is a joke.

Seems like the weather gods really wanted the Patriots to lose today. WOW.

Brady with a duck to end the game.

I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.

Once James Jones breaks the plane of the goal line it's a TD. What a terrible call. Now you can't even break the plane and get a TD, you have to complete the process. That whole rule is a joke.

I hate that the rule is different for receivers vs runners when it comes to what's a touchdown.

Bad call on the late hit in the Titans game.

Big giant rebound win for the Bengals this week. One of my happier days as a Bengals fan.

Awesome pick by Boykin.

Apparently if either Calvin Johnson or Reggie Bush are out, the Lions offense is incapable of doing anything.

Need to add in Burleson is there as well. Lions aren't good enough to counter not having their top two WRs when playing in Green Bay.

Maybe the Giants can suck enough to get Clowney because that defense needs some serious help.

Things real ugly in ny

Up by only three, Colts decide to finish off a drive with all runs even with a 3rd and 9 while being in FG range. They get the FG, but Seattle has 1:55 to score a TD. I would have gone for a TD if I were the Colts.

Colts have now beaten the 49ers and Seahawks.

More weirdness from DTV - put on the end of the Chiefs/Titans game, and they switched to DEN/DAL.

I hate that the rule is different for receivers vs runners when it comes to what's a touchdown.

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.



Yep I agree

sigh

We didn't run Aqib Talib or Lagarrette Blount through the mud before trading them. :)Sure seems like we bought low on Talib, but all that stuff (arrests/suspension) was public, so not much the Bucs could do there.Seems like the weather gods really wanted the Patriots to lose today. WOW.I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.I didn't see the first half, so I'd put most of it down to the monsoon and not having a great grip.

Bengals really figured out our offense's weakness. A D-Line/front 7 that gets pressure, and driving rain. I do question Belichick a little for not going for it on 4th and goal from the 2, but our short-yardage attempts have been brutal this year, and a 40+ yard FG at the end wouldn't have been easy either with that rain. (I also question whether we should have gone for it on 4th and 15 just before our last punt - when you're at the point when even 1 first down for the other team wins the game, the field position doesn't really matter.) At least the Dolphins lost late, so still in 1st place.

The Dolphins really need to work on their pass protection. Tannehill is getting abused this season.

It's not a different rule, it's about establishing possession. A receiver hasn't established it yet while a RB has as he approaches the goal line.

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

It's not college, you need two feet in.

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane. Jones has established possession and crossed the plane of the goal line. That should be a TD, period.

Ummm, no. A receiver is not ruled in possession until both feet come down in bounds and possession is made through the catch.

Now, I'm as pissed as anyone at how they rule the second part of that. It's different depending on the game you watch. As for feet? It's a really simply rule. 2 feet down or it isn't a catch. It's that simple and it really has to be that way. You can't have a rule that it's one foot down on the one yard line and 2 feet down everywhere else.

If Clowney wants to make a case for sitting against a lesser opponent, all he needs to do is point to the Georgia/Tenn. game.

Jones had possession and came down with one foot in bounds then crossed the plane of the goal line and his second foot came down OOB but he had already crossed the plane.

Wait what? That's not controversial, or up for debate. What you just described is never, ever a touchdown in the NFL.

Denver simply cannot let their outside rushers lose contain. Everytime they do, these things happen:

1) Witten gets open
2) The interior Dallas lineman start holding and there are no flags. (before you think I'm bitching about the reffing, I'll wait and see how it is called on Denver. If they allow holding, I'm fairly confident it will benefit the Broncos more than the Cowboys)
3) Romo has time and hits the open Witten.

They are creating a ton of pressure, even without Miller. The way the game is being called, they can't allow him to break contain. As usual, I believe they'll solve this at halftime. The question is if the Broncos offense can keep up with this.

The play right there is what they have to do. Keep him contained, deal with the holding (watch #68 on that replay, it's comical) and don't let Romo beat you outside the pocket. Much better defense on those last three plays.

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's someone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

I wonder if Brady's arm or shoulder is injured. Lots of ducks.

He just hasn't been as accurate the last couple of seasons, and when you combine it with receivers still learning to catch (what was the stat they showed, second most drops in the NFL this season?) you have an offense that has trouble at times.

But especially in a monsoon. That really felt like the Football Gods getting even with them for something...

I hope there are no NFL fans out there who are stuck watching Arizona/Carolina with no access to the Denver/Dallas game. Without the Giants to play against, Carolina is back to their standard 6-3 halftime score.

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's somweone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

I agree. I never liked Freeman. Didn't think he would be a good starter in this league. He has a good year and a half and I was still not sold, but I was anxious to see how he would do. When he

Then he struggled last year and early this year, I really didn't have to be sold that he was a bad NFL QB.

After they bench him, the dirt starts flying. Leaked drug problems? Leaked chemistry issues? Leaked disciplinary problems? Demotion to #3 QB? This wasn't a benching, it was a PR campaign. And for that i have to ask why? I mean, why do you try the kid? The only two explanations that make a lot of sense are:

1) The coach hates his guts and it's personal.
2) The coach is trying to use the kid to save his job.

Neither puts SchiaIo in a good light. I still don't think Freeman is that good. . . but if he's better than he looked the last couple of years, I'll cheer for him. Like you, I'll hope the coach never coaches another NFL game.

Cardinals-Panthers definitely not a thing of beauty-Palmer keeps throwing INT's after good drives and/or 3 and out with a sack. Panthers have done better offensively-but Cards defense comes up big with a sack or a Patrick Peterson INT, leading to a battle of FG's and frustration for both teams-Panthers lead 6-3 at the half.

Please beloved Cardinals, do not resign Carson Palmer after the season, please.

I hope there are no NFL fans out there who are stuck watching Arizona/Carolina with no access to the Denver/Dallas game. Without the Giants to play against, Carolina is back to their standard 6-3 halftime score.

Pretty damn awful isn't it?

He just hasn't been as accurate the last couple of seasons, and when you combine it with receivers still learning to catch (what was the stat they showed, second most drops in the NFL this season?) you have an offense that has trouble at times.

But especially in a monsoon. That really felt like the Football Gods getting even with them for something...

It was really only a monsoon at the end.

The Freeman situation is fascinating. I added an entry to my blog last night, but the apparent interest from Minnesota is a surprise.

The bottom line is that absent blame for personal conduct from the Schiano situation, he's someone who would get attention as a potential starter. He has the tools, and he has the experience.

Having lived in the Boston area when the team/media absolutely destroyed Nomar Garciaparra's reputation during his 2004 trading-deadline exit (the subsequent wild-card-to-first-title-in-almost-100-years story line affirmed it forever in Red Sox Nation), I am sensitive to this type of hit job.

If Freeman is a hard worker and he succeeds with a new opportunity, I hope Schiano never gets another chance in the NFL.

Obviously in the end we really only care about the players, but...

I know the Bucs had an offer on the table for Carson Palmer this off-season but were beat out in the 11th hour by AZ. So despite Freeman throwing for 4,000 yards and 27 TDs last season...something was up.

It's possible that Schiano is just a dick. He isn't very well liked even in Tampa. But it's also possible that Freeman really is having some issues.

Ultimately you are right though, if Freeman does well THIS year and Schiano doesn't turn things around, the owners are going to get rid of Dominik (GM) and Schiano within hours of the final game.

The PR hit the Bucs are taking right now is devastating. The owners had just bought up the rest of the tickets to ensure the games weren't blacked out and you know they are pissed at how this year has started.

It was Schiano's only play...he may not have lost the team (yet), but he obviously lost the QB. Whether or not that was Schiano's doing or Josh Freeman's doing doesn't really matter to me...the season ticket holder who wonders what the fuck I really bought into this year besides a clown-show.

As for Josh Freeman, I really wanted him to succeed here in Tampa and I wish him the best. I'm sure he'll win a Super Bowl somewhere, they always do when they escape Tampa Bay. :)

wow did the Cowboys bite on that bootleg

It was really only a monsoon at the end.

Oh I know, right at prime Brady-comeback time.

But yeah, they blew lots of opportunities earlier. Of course, I think Cincy's defense gets credit here as well, they played pretty well.

Cardinals finally do the right thing and not let Palmer throw near the end zone again, result was a Mendenhall TD to take the lead 10-6.

I think we knew Schiano was a dick as soon as he pulled that full rush against the kneeldown crap.

wow did the Cowboys bite on that bootleg

Along with the cameraman, crowd, Broncos on the sideline who were not involved in the playcall, television viewers and Archie Manning.

I mean, cmon, it isn't even fair at this point.

Things go from bad to worse for the Panthers after the Cards TD. Newton sacked in the endzone for a safety.

I swear sometimes Manning is just f'ing with the other team. Call the receiver in motion and then send him right back in motion to where he was only to run the ball right up the middle.

...and right on cue, Palmer throws his 3rd INT. :::sigh:::

Ok so the Broncos can still be beaten deep repeatedly.Ughh.

I think we knew Schiano was a dick as soon as he pulled that full rush against the kneeldown crap.

I never saw anything like that before Schiano, and I wouldn't say I'm thrilled to see it, but I'm okay with it because I know he's had success with it back in college. He only allows it if the Bucs are within one score. I think most teams have adapted well enough to ensure they block for 1-3 additional plays to make it a non-issue. It was really only bad when the Giants and Eli Manning didn't realize it was going to happen.

Point differentials

Jacksonville: -112
New York Giants: -100
Pittsburgh: -41

Granted the Steelers have only played four games, but that's a staggering difference between the two teams and the rest of the league.

FTR I don't ever remember it working at Rutgers.

Ok so the Broncos can still be beaten deep repeatedly.Ughh.

This is really the first game you could say was embarrassing for the defense. They haven't tackled well, they haven't covered well, they haven't made a ton of adjustments like they usually do. They are just getting torched left and right.

Manning will have to keep up the gas or the Broncos will lose this game. The loss of Miller hasn't been felt a lot this year. Today? it's being felt on a massive scale. The Cowboys are playing very well and matching the Donkies point for point.

Should be a very interesting fourth quarter.

and Manning throws his first pick

I miss defense.

If the Bucs continue to stumble, I look for Dominik to try and fire Schiano in order to save his own job.

WTF?!?!? Why couldn't I have this affect on the Broncos last week?

While I have watched the game... Cowboys 35 Broncos 10

When I haven't been watching... Broncos 28 Cowboys 6 and Broncos turn the ball over twice

Is there a reason Arizona isn't giving the ball to Ellington more? From the stats, he seems like a way better RB than Mendenhall at this point.

So it's okay to target a kick returner's head?

WTF is the announcer talking about. There were two receivers near that throw.

I find it interesting that the only way you can fluster Peyton Manning is by keeping the score close into the second half.

I find it interesting that the only way you can fluster Peyton Manning is by keeping the score close into the second half.

Almost seems like he is one of those guys that when things are going well his confidence is so high that he can't be stopped but once the pressure is really on he starts to press too much.

Almost seems like he is one of those guys that when things are going well his confidence is so high that he can't be stopped but once the pressure is really on he starts to press too much.

Which had been the case of several playoff games when he was Colt, particularly against the Chargers, if I recall.

Which had been the case of several playoff games when he was Colt, particularly against the Chargers, if I recall.

His one SB ring is the only thing that keeps him from endless choke job mocking.

The Denver secondary looks lost out there.

The Denver secondary looks lost out there.

We've secretly replaced the Broncos secondary with the Eagles secondary, let's see if anyone will notice...

The Denver secondary looks lost out there.

Beyond lost. Really beyond lost. We need Bailey and Miller back badly.

Only one more week and Miller will be back. I think we can handle the Jags so we can set up for the rest of the year.

Manning has led the Donkies to 13 points this half. I don't really think he's been that rattled. Cowboys have momentum and are playing out of their ever loving minds. That last throw to Welker? Step up in the pocket and throw it perfectly? Yeah, he's really got some nerves here.

Hate the Cowboys, but they deserve some credit, Manning isn't exactly playing badly this half.

Single-game Passing Yardage

1. Norm Van Brocklin, 554 (1951)
2. Warren Moon, 527 (week 15, 1990)
2. Matt Schaub, 527 (week 11, 2012)
4. Dan Marino, 521 (week 8, 1988)
5. Matthew Stafford, 520 (week 17, 2011)
6. Tom Brady, 517 (week 1, 2011)
7. Phil Simms, 513 (week 6, 1985)
8. Drew Brees, 510 (week 11, 2006)
8. Eli Manning, 510 (week 2, 2012)
10. Vince Ferragamo, 509 (week 8, 1982)
11. Tony Romo, 506 (week 5, 2013)

Moon is the only other player on this list with no interceptions in the 500-yard game.

Does it matter is they tie it at this point? It's not like their defense is going to make a stop.

Does it matter is they tie it at this point? It's not like their defense is going to make a stop.

Stranger things have happened, right? Romo isn't exactly incapable of throwing a duck. Bryant isn't incapable of fumbling. The Cowboys are 95% likely to win the game on this drive, but if Manning doesn't get the ball in the end zone there, that other 5% is gone. 48-48. Crazy, crazy game.

Does it matter is they tie it at this point? It's not like their defense is going to make a stop.

Well even though he has been throwing his ass off in this game you do have to remember who the Cowboys QB is and his track record in these situations in the past.

So if a guy throws 7 TD's on 7 straight drives, then the last drive comes up short and he loses 56-49, does that mean he's a choker or does it mean it's pretty fucking hard to throw TD's on 8 straight drives?

Like clockwork.

His one SB ring is the only thing that keeps him from endless choke job mocking.

Which is extremely unfair since he's the all-time leader in 4th quarter comebacks.
As a Colts fan for years, I can say only once did Manning ever have a complete team around him (2005). I think once Miller and Bailey come back this team has the potential to be Manning's best overall team.

So if a guy throws 7 TD's on 7 straight drives, then the last drive comes up short and he loses 56-49, does that mean he's a choker or does it mean it's pretty fucking hard to throw TD's on 8 straight drives?

Choker.

I just don't understand Romo.

So if a guy throws 7 TD's on 7 straight drives, then the last drive comes up short and he loses 56-49, does that mean he's a choker or does it mean it's pretty fucking hard to throw TD's on 8 straight drives?

I'll take the latter for $200 please, Alex.

Russell Wilson played a great game today vs. Indy. He threw a pick on the last drive. He didn't choke.

Well even though he has been throwing his ass off in this game you do have to remember who the Cowboys QB is and his track record in these situations in the past.

I felt like Ruth calling his shot:)

Moon is the only other player on this list with no interceptions in the 500-yard game.jinx? ;)

Narrative

wow,I feel bad for Romo

Dear Donkies,

. Do not think this thing is over and that a FG wins it. Please, please, please. Even if you turn it over, be aggressive. Romo threw a bad pass, he can easily lead a TD drive. Again, just be aggressive.

Thanks

TroyF

That should read Moon is the ONLY player on that list to not have thrown a pick. :)

Why would you run out of bounds?

kneel down a couple times and then kick on the final play.

Which is extremely unfair since he's the all-time leader in 4th quarter comebacks.
As a Colts fan for years, I can say only once did Manning ever have a complete team around him (2005). I think once Miller and Bailey come back this team has the potential to be Manning's best overall team.

Choke job might not be the best wording but to put up the numbers he has without a SB ring would forever link him to Marino.

Choke job might not be the best wording but to put up the numbers he has without a SB ring would forever link him to Mario.

Elway dealt with a lot of it too. If the Broncos hadn't beat GB, who knows what would have happened.

Why would you run out of bounds?

Why would you not just let them score afterwards. Some real dumb strategy by Garrett

This thread really takes my pet peeve to the extreme. To call a guy a choker after he led his team to 48 pts and an awesome comeback because he threw one bad pass late in the game is just insanely absurd. If a QB leads their team to 48 pts and they lost, it is NOT the QB's fault.

Well, so much for getting rattled. Cowboys talked all week about how they were sick of Manning. Their answer was to give up 414 yards passing and 51 points to the man you were sick of.

49, 41, 37, 52, 51. . . this is insanity. The high flying Pats put up 40+ points 4 times in 2007. The Broncos have put up 40+ 4 times in 5 weeks.

Well, so much for getting rattled. Cowboys talked all week about how they were sick of Manning. Their answer was to give up 414 yards passing and 51 points to the man you were sick of.

49, 41, 37, 52, 51. . . this is insanity. The high flying Pats put up 40+ points 4 times in 2007. The Broncos have put up 40+ 4 times in 5 weeks.

That will slow down when they start playing in blizzards for their home games but they have been like a machine.

Elway dealt with a lot of it too. If the Broncos hadn't beat GB, who knows what would have happened.

At least for Elway he won twice and faced a credible opponent. The Grossman led Bears was a rather uninspiring team.

That was one hell of a battle, really fun to watch, both QB's played their asses off. Each made one bad throw. Romo's bad throw cost him much more dearly, but I would take either QB's performance in a heartbeat. Peyton Manning is separating himself from the other QB's in the "greatest of all time" argument.

At least for Elway he won twice and faced a credible opponent. The Grossman led Bears was a rather uninspiring team.

Who anyone beats in the Super Bowl doesn't matter. It was the inability to get to the Super Bowl that gave Manning the early rep. Still having fewer playoff victories in Denver than Tebow isn't really helping either.

It seems if you combine Eli and Peyton just right you get the perfect QB. Take Peyton's regular season and Eli's post season.

Or just take a Joe Montana to accomplish the same.

Is there a reason Arizona isn't giving the ball to Ellington more? From the stats, he seems like a way better RB than Mendenhall at this point.

I would say its because Ellington is a rookie, so Mendenhall has the experience edge. But yeah Ellington has looked better overall.

That was one hell of a battle, really fun to watch, both QB's played their asses off. Each made one bad throw. Romo's bad throw cost him much more dearly, but I would take either QB's performance in a heartbeat. Peyton Manning is separating himself from the other QB's in the "greatest of all time" argument.

Can't really say Romo's cost more. If not for Peyton's pick they wouldn't have been in that situation.

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

Romo's terrible on defense. He allowed 51 points!

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for Jacksonville...

Jaguars rookie OT Luke Joeckel out for season - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jacksonville-lt-luke-joeckel-hurt-174841716--nfl.html)

And who do they play next week? Denver...at Denver. They should just forfeit and save the transportation costs.

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

They had an A's game last night on that field. I assume it was time to reconfigure the stands and field.

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

Baseball playoffs on the same field yesterday

Okay after ripping my beloved Cards last week, have to give them some credit this week. Offense was still pretty terrible, but defense with the return of LB Daryl Washington from his four game suspension, was pretty damn awesome, 7 sacks, 3 INT's, and a safety.

I pretty much think Ron Rivera is out of a job though at Carolina-they are just not letting Cam Newton get outside and make plays on his feet like he did his first year.

Just throwing out Manning's playoff stats here really quick:

9-11 record, 36 td's, 21 INT's. (his INT rate of 3.0% is a tad under Montana (2.9%)

In the regular season, he's completed 65% of his passes, playoffs 63% regular season 267 yards a game, playoffs 284 yards a game,

yeah, he's had a couple of clunkers, but I think it's tough to pin a lot of those losses on him. Those two "clunkers" against the Chargers everyone remembers: 712 yards passing 4 TD 2 INT

I actually feel bad for Romo. Some idiot is going to try and pin this on him despite one hell of a performance.

Pick 6 baby!!!

That was hilarious - right after they show that pick-6 stat, he turns it over. I wonder if this is Schaub's last year in Houston.

I had Tom Brady going today, my opponent had Romo.

I had Tom Brady going today, my opponent had Romo.

I kept Romo on the bench. Oof.

Um, I expect a flag everytime I see helmet-to-helmet contact. Is that the wrong expectation?

...I guess so...that was two consecutive...

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Did not see this coming. Brock is owning Schaub tonight.

Did not see this coming. Brock is owning Schaub tonight.

Always supported Schaub, but it's gotta end. He needs to be benched and benched now. You just can't keep throwing pick 6's in this league.

After last weeks choke job and this effort at 21-0, Schaub and Houston are the best worst team in the NFL, and I simply cannot trust the math anymore

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Angry much?

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Nobody gives Manning credit? Are you fucking serious?

:rolleyes:

What was the ref doing. (though I find it a little amusing that the Texans were mad at the ref... suck for a half and you pretty much can't complain about a ref bobbling the ball)... His "spotting" of the ball was just rolling it towards the center. I would think the 49ers could have a complaint if the Texans could have gotten a play off after that.

Just got back from the Cowboys-Broncos game. That was an awesome game to attend. Can't blame Romo for that loss. That pick he threw wasn't a gift wrapped mental error type of pick. The Broncos player had to layout to get it. If he didn't get the pick, the Cowboys player had a 25 yard catch.

Just throwing out Manning's playoff stats here really quick:

9-11 record, 36 td's, 21 INT's. (his INT rate of 3.0% is a tad under Montana (2.9%)

In the regular season, he's completed 65% of his passes, playoffs 63% regular season 267 yards a game, playoffs 284 yards a game,

yeah, he's had a couple of clunkers, but I think it's tough to pin a lot of those losses on him. Those two "clunkers" against the Chargers everyone remembers: 712 yards passing 4 TD 2 INT

Certainly hasnt had the same level of team success, but his playoff QB rating is higher than Brady's and about the same as Montana's non superbowl rating. Montana was absolute money in the Superbowl

Certainly hasnt had the same level of team success, but his playoff QB rating is higher than Brady's and about the same as Montana's non superbowl rating. Montana was absolute money in the Superbowl

And better than Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway and Dan Marino

What a crazy game in Dallas. The good news is the last time so much yardage was given up in Texas, it became a rallying cry for the whole nation.

I mean, y'all "Remember the Alamo", right? ;)

Schaub just looks terrible out there.

3rd string DT with the INT. When does Kubiak go to Yates?

Angry much?

Not angry. :D

Nobody gives Manning credit? Are you fucking serious?

:rolleyes:

Where did I say no one gives him any credit? I don't know if they do. I was talking about people calling Manning a choker.

Not angry. :D

Could have fooled me

Great play call by Roman.

Eric Reid looks like a stud.

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.Won the division title and made the playoffs every year, lost 2 super bowls in the final 2 minutes, and still had more playoff wins than Manning despite Peyton's SB year? (8-7 vs. 6-6 since 2004)

The funny part is, I don't even think there's been many Brady vs. Peyton Manning arguments in the last 5 years. The current hot sports take is that you need a quarterback who "steps his game up in the playoffs" like Eli Manning, Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger (where if anything, Matt Ryan is the new Peyton Manning). Which basically just proves how dumb it is to judge QB's solely by team success, especially when you ignore 95% of the games. There are plenty of people who will argue that Eli Manning is "clutch" and they'd rather have him at QB than a Brady/Peyton/Matt Ryan/Aaron Rodgers/Drew Brees, even though he'll only have made it to the playoffs once in the last 5 years barring a miracle turnaround this year.

That's not anger, that's passion. I always get into heated arguments with people who go with the "who has the rings" argument when determining a player's quality or value.

This past few seasons has provided us with a great representation of what the differences might be between Manning and Brady specifically. Brady with an inexperienced supporting cast has looked pretty average. Manning with a great supporting cast is making Brady's 07 stats look average. He is also doing it almost into his 40's. The guy is a master manipulator and instantly makes any team a contender. I honestly don't think the same can be said for Brady. Brady needs a supporting cast. Manning can take a shit team to a title with a few bounces here and there.

That's my take anyway. I would take Manning before anyone in history if I had to build a team.

This past few seasons has provided us with a great representation of what the differences might be between Manning and Brady specifically. Brady with an inexperienced supporting cast has looked pretty average. Manning with a great supporting cast is making Brady's 07 stats look average. He is also doing it almost into his 40's. The guy is a master manipulator and instantly makes any team a contender. I honestly don't think the same can be said for Brady. Brady needs a supporting cast. Manning can take a shit team to a title with a few bounces here and there.You must have a different definition of average than I do. And I really hope you're trolling with the supporting cast argument, because Brady's had better skill position players around him than Manning 1? 2? seasons total. (Just think about that 2006 team Manning & the Colts beat 38-34 in the AFC title game. The Pats leading receivers were Reche Caldwell, Ben Watson, Troy Brown, Doug Gabriel, Jabar Gaffney, Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney. Again, that team made it to an AFC title game and scored 34 points.)

Btw, Brady's 2007 stats
Before November: 198-267 2431 30 2
After November: 200-311 2375 20 6

2nd half is still very good, but not historically great like the first half. Just like what Peyton's done in 5 games so far is amazing, and his overall stats may still exceed Brady's from that year, but you can't just extrapolate from these 5 games because he will fall off this pace in colder weather. Just like his stats will be worse when it's raining/snowing.

Brady's 2013 stats
Dry games: 74-119 829 6 2
Wet games: 37-77 382 1 1

That's not a Brady thing, or a Manning thing, that's an every quarterback in the world throws the ball better when it's warm and dry thing.

Vikings sign Freeman. Looks like Ponder's time in Minnesota is over.

Raiders looking good in late night?

Maybe Pryor hadn't heard the news about Freeman and decided to go all out. :D

Vikings sign Freeman. Looks like Ponder's time in Minnesota is over.

Good luck, Josh.

I already have facebook friends who are Giants fans discussing what they should do with the 2015 first overall pick...they've seen Jacksonville still exists right?

That's my take anyway. I would take Manning before anyone in history if I had to build a team.

Me too. I'm just trying to enjoy the last years of his career. Will be a sad day when he hangs 'em up.

I think Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. But one of the things I've noticed over the course of his career is that if you can match him score for score early in a game, he will begin to press and that's usually when he makes his mistakes.

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

I already have facebook friends who are Giants fans discussing what they should do with the 2015 first overall pick...they've seen Jacksonville still exists right?

IT would really suck if next year was just as bad...

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

This is kind of where I fall with Eli. You will never see me say he is better that those guys, but this year aside I wouldn't want any other QB for my team given the results he has had.

Would Brady, Peyton, etc...have the same results? Probably but we will bever know, so for me I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

Hey now, the Vikings have been debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder v. Matt Cassel.



:(

G-MEN!

IT would really suck if next year was just as bad...

I was about to say the same thing.

Nate Collins, starting in place of Henry Melton and his torn ACL...tore his ACL. Out for season.

Chip Kelly stole and improved the 'QB Eagles' run play from Tecmo Super Bowl (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Chip-Kelly-stole-and-improved-the-QB-Eagles-run-play-from-Tecmo-Super-Bowl.html)

Matt Flynn is laughing all the way to the bank again.

Chip Kelly stole and improved the 'QB Eagles' run play from Tecmo Super Bowl (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Chip-Kelly-stole-and-improved-the-QB-Eagles-run-play-from-Tecmo-Super-Bowl.html)

:lol:

Matt Flynn is laughing all the way to the bank again.

Yep. Nearly fifteen million dollars for one start over twenty-one games. I wonder who the next sucker that steps up will be?

I'm surprised that Matt McGloin somehow made it to be a 2nd string backup. I honestly don't remember much of his college career showing he was worthy of playing in the NFL.

I'm surprised that Matt McGloin somehow made it to be a 2nd string backup. I honestly don't remember much of his college career showing he was worthy of playing in the NFL.

He played pretty well in the preseason. Seems more of a gritty 3rd stringer though.

I am just glad we have one quarterback who looks like he may be a player in this league.

Surprised no challenge from Smith there

It would be nice to have a week where a Lions player isn't in the news.

Report: Lions center Dominic Raiola accused of insulting Wisconsin*band | SI Wire (http://tracking.si.com/2013/10/07/lions-dominic-raiola-accused-of-insulting-wisconsin-band/?sct=hp_t2_a15&eref=sihp)

Hearing reports that Josh Gordon is a 49er. No details and no confirmation yet.

Have the Saints clinched the division yet?

JETS baby

Hearing reports that Josh Gordon is a 49er. No details and no confirmation yet.

That would be amazing if it came to fruition.

However, according to Adam ShefLer, on twitter, he is going to the Lions.

I know it's still early but if the Eagles don't make a miracle run it would be nice to see the 18-0 Saints versus the 18-0 Broncos in the Super Bowl. Just so Mercury Morris and company can shove their champagne somewhere.

Though I bet that Morris would come out with some stupid statement about it not really counting since two teams didn't lose going into the Super Bowl?

It would be nice to have a week where a Lions player isn't in the news.

Report: Lions center Dominic Raiola accused of insulting Wisconsin*band | SI Wire (http://tracking.si.com/2013/10/07/lions-dominic-raiola-accused-of-insulting-wisconsin-band/?sct=hp_t2_a15&eref=sihp)

What an idiot...

Hearing reports that Josh Gordon is a 49er. No details and no confirmation yet.

Are the Browns becoming the a real life, and football, version of the Indians from Major League?

Something in the water in Cleveland?

I know it's still early but if the Eagles don't make a miracle run it would be nice to see the 18-0 Saints versus the 18-0 Broncos in the Super Bowl. Just so Mercury Morris and company can shove their champagne somewhere.

Though I bet that Morris would come out with some stupid statement about it not really counting since two teams didn't lose going into the Super Bowl?

I imagine Morris wouldn't make any statement because he'd be too worried about the hidden guy with an axe in his backseat, his stomach exploding due to pop rocks and soda. or the babysitter getting a call from inside the house.

http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/miami72.asp

Atlanta that was a horrible goal-line series-I'm going to bed now, but I have you in the Survival League this week so you better wake the *&^% up. :)

Is it weird that I'm an AFC guy even when it comes to teams that play in the Dolphins (my favorite team) division? Jets-Falcons? Even though I hate the Jets, I found myself rooting for them against the Falcons.

So the Jets get a TD to go up 12 in the 4th, and they don't even think about going for 2. Kick the extra point...and a few minutes later, the Falcons go down for an easy TD and are now just down 6.

Is it weird that I'm an AFC guy even when it comes to teams that play in the Dolphins (my favorite team) division? Jets-Falcons? Even though I hate the Jets, I found myself rooting for them against the Falcons.

Yes. I don't root for the Pats, Bills, or (especially) Jets unless it somehow benefits the Dolphins by knocking another team out of the playoff hunt. And even then I feel dirty afterwards.

Wow. PI on jones, right after he's tackled on the would be TD.

Nice revenge on the one hand grab.

That was an amazing catch by Jones.

Kind of a gimme defensive holding on gonzales there. Surprised to see that called, but nice for the falcons.

Annnnnnd the Jets trail by 1. Who could see that coming?

Looked like the Falcons defender was afraid to push Geno out of bounds there.

This Atlanta defense is sad.

Yay Geno Smith!

Sweet.

Looked like the Falcons defender was afraid to push Geno out of bounds there.

I am a big Jets fan, so obviously I like the outcome. But if I am a defender, I don't know what to do there. You hit him and you probably will get a 15 yard unnecessary roughness call (like Tampa did in week 1), you don't hit him and he tip toes up the sideline for 7 yards. It is tough to be a defender in this NFL.

I bet Tony Gonzalez is glad he came back for one more run.

That would be amazing if it came to fruition.

However, according to Adam ShefLer, on twitter, he is going to the Lions.

Regardless of where he is going, I'm amazed a team is purging its young talent as a way to rebuild the team.

So at this point should Mike Smith be worried about his job? This has been a terrible start to the season, and it's looking like they're in major trouble for a playoff spot.

Wildcard standings:
Chicago
San Francisco
Arizona
Green Bay
Philadelphia
St. Louis
Washington
Minnesota
Carolina


I know it's early, but if we look at realistic shots here, the Falcons are 2 games back and there are 7 teams between them and the 2nd wildcard spot. It would take a hell of a finish to even get to the playoffs at this point. You have to think they need to go 9-2 the rest of the way, and they still have Seattle, New Orleans, @ Green Bay and @ San Francisco on the schedule.

Despite how bad the Giants have been you have to say Atlanta is the biggest disappointment

I think that 9-7 team will sneak into the NFC playoffs as the #6 team

Can the Falcons go 8-3 the rest of the way, of course. The team has suffered some major injuries, especially on defense, and it seems unlikely though. Last night they started not one but TWO LBs that Ive never heard of. Like ever.

That's almost impossible given the amount of football, college and pro, that I watch. Folks like to focus on the big name injuries (mostly due to FF) but the real nuts and bolts are missing OL and DEF.

Look at the Browns. Losing Joe Haden > not having Richardson. Its a fact. Hell, they put some scrub journeyman at QB who was playing better than anyone that they had taking snaps for years. Including 1st round picks.

Yes, Weeden is a big downgrade from Hoyer. Cleveland will win in spite of him rather than because of him.

Despite how bad the Giants have been you have to say Atlanta is the biggest disappointment

Considering Atlanta has lost 4 games by 1 score or less and all of the teams they have lost to have winning records, I don't see how you can say that.

The Giants got shutout by the 1-3 Panthers.

Atlanta that was a horrible goal-line series-I'm going to bed now, but I have you in the Survival League this week so you better wake the *&^% up. :)


<---smacks Atlanta upside the head for losing. Atlanta right up there with Giants, Steelers in terms of disappointment.

Is Pittsburgh really THAT much of a disappointment though? I seem far less surprised that they suck than either the Giants or Falcons.

I see SF as the biggest disappointment. After the year they had last year, adding Boldin, I thought they were going to be like Denver, winning pretty easily week in and week out.

Thinking that's a bit of an overreaction. They're in the playoffs were they to start today, and despite both losses being "blowouts", they were actually very close games until late in the second half. One in the hardest place to play in the NFL, and the other to the only team to beat Seattle thus far. Not to mention injuries - this team is missing it's best CB, LB, DT, DE and WR, and their TE has been dinged up as well.

Has it been a disappointing start? Yes. Biggest disappointment in football? I think not.

Is Pittsburgh really THAT much of a disappointment though? I seem far less surprised that they suck than either the Giants or Falcons.


I suppose not really, but given the Steelers storied history, it is a shock to see them winless.

San Fran will be fine. Losing to Seattle in Seattle is nothing to be ashamed of. No team has a better home field advantage than the Seahawks (regardless of the eardrum rupturing decibels in Kansas City). The Colts are no joke either. They're pretty banged up, but they'll still make the playoffs. I don't see them as a disappointment.

I think the Giants are the most surprising. They've really been bad. They've been smacked around by some teams that aren't that great. They have no running game, Eli has thrown a ton of picks and their defense isn't getting pressure on the QB.

You could see the Pittsburgh decline coming, though I am not sure anyone quite expected it to hit this fast.

The Falcons are pretty disappointing as well. Yes, all the games they've lost were close games to teams with winning records and their defense is pretty depleted by injury, but given their record last year and expectations going into the season this year, a 1-4 start is very surprising and disappointing.

As a lifelong Lion's fan I can never muster any pity or sadness for any suffering team or fan base, other than the Cleveland Browns.

It would be nice to have a week where a Lions player isn't in the news.

Report: Lions center Dominic Raiola accused of insulting Wisconsin*band | SI Wire (http://tracking.si.com/2013/10/07/lions-dominic-raiola-accused-of-insulting-wisconsin-band/?sct=hp_t2_a15&eref=sihp)

What an idiot...

This is not at all surprising. I have no doubt Raiola said exactly what they claim he said. He's a loud-mouthed hot-head. He's gotten in trouble for yelling obscenities to Lions fans and all of that.

This is not at all surprising. I have no doubt Raiola said exactly what they claim he said. He's a loud-mouthed hot-head. He's gotten in trouble for yelling obscenities to Lions fans and all of that.

Interesting that the band was from his brother's alma mater.

I think the Giants giving Jacksonville on a run for their money in terms of being the worst is the winner for most disappointing. Atlanta, regardless of the close games, would be next.

Considering Atlanta has lost 4 games by 1 score or less and all of the teams they have lost to have winning records, I don't see how you can say that.

The Giants got shutout by the 1-3 Panthers.

I think you can easily say they are more disappointing.

Why does the score matter? 1-4 is still 1-4 and they were basically 1 play from the superbowl last year, opposed to the Giants who didn't make the playoffs last season.

Wow...

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Report: Texans' Owen Daniels to miss 4-6 weeks with fibula injury - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24051173/report-texans-owen-daniels-to-miss-46-weeks-with-fibula-injury)

Saw it on twitter, but ATL needs to trade Gonzalez to KC stat

Hideous new Pro Bowl uniforms...

Pro Bowl to use new Nike uniforms for NFC, AFC teams - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000258914/article/pro-bowl-to-use-new-nike-uniforms-for-nfc-afc-teams)