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Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:24 AM
We simply don't know who all was actually on the list and who Texas actually vetted and decided against on their own? The rumor was that Briles was ready to accept the Texas job if offered. Briles is higher on your "list" than Strong. So what happened? Why isn't he going to Texas?
It's an excellent question and it's one that the fans will be asking repeatedly over the coming years.
BillJasper
01-04-2014, 12:24 AM
This is FHM's list of the top 10 hottest girls
10. Georgia Salpa
9. Cheryl Cole
8. Kate Upton
7. Pixie Lott
6. Kaley Cuoco
5. Kelly Brook
4. Michelle Keegan
3. Helen Flanagan
2. Rihanna
1. Mila Kunis
So if you land Salpa, you had to settle and banged a pretty ugly girl...lol
I'd say she is one hell of a consolation prize. :D
BillJasper
01-04-2014, 12:26 AM
It's an excellent question and it's one that the fans will be asking repeatedly over the coming years.
You seem to know as much about the inner workings of Texas football as the athletic director. I thought you would know?
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:26 AM
It's an excellent question and it's one that the fans will be asking repeatedly over the coming years.
I LLLLOOOOVVVEEE it when MBBF makes his can't miss predictions!
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:28 AM
I LLLLOOOOVVVEEE it when MBBF makes his can't miss predictions!
It's even better when I'm right.
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:30 AM
Even Manny Mendoza laughs at your batting average.
CU Tiger
01-04-2014, 12:31 AM
Oh wow.
Even after they win a bowl game, MBBF is more obsessed with Texas than he is with his own team...
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:31 AM
Even Manny Mendoza laughs at your batting average.
Mizzou 41
OSU 31
OSU 38
Texas 14
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:32 AM
Oh wow.
Even after they win a bowl game, MBBF is more obsessed with Texas than he is with his own team...
As German psychoanalyst Eric Fromm said, “The task we must set for ourselves is not to feel secure, but to be able to tolerate insecurity.”
BillJasper
01-04-2014, 12:33 AM
Oh wow.
Even after they win a bowl game, MBBF is more obsessed with Texas than he is with his own team...
Likely feels snubbed that Gary Pinkel wasn't on the Orangebloods.com list. :lol:
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:34 AM
As German psychoanalyst Eric Fromm said, “The task we must set for ourselves is not to feel secure, but to be able to tolerate insecurity.”
As Texas leadership says, "A bad year for Texas is better than a good year for Mizzou."
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:35 AM
Mizzou 41
OSU 31
OSU 38
Texas 14
OU 45
Alabama 31
Texas 36
OU 20
What's your fucking point, other than continuing to prove yourself as being a supreme ass?
BillJasper
01-04-2014, 12:35 AM
As Texas leadership says, "A bad year for Texas is better than a good year for Mizzou."
You going to carry that butthurt to the grave? :lol:
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:36 AM
You going to carry that butthurt to the grave? :lol:
I'm assuming you're directing that question to the former Texas AD.
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:37 AM
As Texas leadership says, "A bad year for Texas is better than a good year for Mizzou."
There you go again, thinking a throwaway quote is the foundation for how the Texas athletic department operates.
Jesus Christ, I've seen less projection at an IMAX theater.
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:38 AM
OU 45
Alabama 31
Texas 36
OU 20
What's your fucking point, other than continuing to prove yourself as being a supreme ass?
LOL
Congrats on being indirectly better than the 3rd best team in the SEC. I guess that's the new measure at Texas.
"A bad year at Texas is still better than a good year by the 3rd best team in the SEC."
Matthean
01-04-2014, 12:39 AM
I obviously don't know
Admitting the problem is the first step.
Matthean
01-04-2014, 12:41 AM
LOL
Congrats on being indirectly better than the 3rd best team in the SEC. I guess that's the new measure at Texas.
"A bad year at Texas is still better than a good year by the 3rd best team in the SEC."
Assumed third best team since they never played each other, but you know, why let facts gets in the way?
Mizzou B-ball fan
01-04-2014, 12:42 AM
Assumed third best team since they never played each other, but you know, why let facts gets in the way?
Agreed. South Carolina was likely a better team than Alabama in hindsight. Consider that post edited to reflect they were the 4th best team in the SEC.
Matthean
01-04-2014, 12:47 AM
Agreed. South Carolina was likely a better team than Alabama in hindsight. Consider that post edited to reflect they were the 4th best team in the SEC.
I have zero issue with 'Bama taking on SC either, but whatever.
cartman
01-04-2014, 12:59 AM
If he indeed does decide to accept the job in the morning, I'm wondering who he is going to go after for coordinators. He has the defensive bona fides, which is something that went away under Diaz. I hope that Wyatt sticks around for recruiting, and Akina as the DB coach.
gstelmack
01-04-2014, 08:26 AM
Should I start the pool for which thread MBBF will ruin next?
miked
01-04-2014, 09:00 AM
Well, I'm sure every top program when they have an opening troll the list of currently employed hot coaches, I think hear Miles's name come up every season. Doesn't mean you settled on the 6th best option if the top 5 are not really looking to move. Strong was a coordinator on some BCS champion Gator teams and took the Ville from the middle/lower tier of the BE to a BCS team. How terrible a hire is that?
sterlingice
01-04-2014, 09:22 AM
Oh wow.
Even after they win a bowl game, MBBF is more obsessed with Texas than he is with his own team...
:D
SI
Logan
01-04-2014, 09:50 AM
I really hope MBBF was shitfaced after a fun night of college football when he made those posts...there's no excuse for being that big of a prick sober.
I think Strong is a fantastic hire. He would have been a.lock to Florida if Muschamp was fired, and if this Texas opportunity doesn't work out, he'll be the choice next year I'd he doesn't save his job.
Dr. Sak
01-04-2014, 09:52 AM
From all I've heard Al Golden will be the next coach at Penn State.
corbes
01-04-2014, 10:33 AM
Just a disaster to go from Mack Brown to Charlie Strong.
To be fair, at the time Mack Brown was hired, he was the head coach at UNC and his resume included two 1-10 seasons at UNC and his crown jewel was a win in the 1992 Peach Bowl. I like the Strong hire for Texas.
cartman
01-04-2014, 10:34 AM
I really hope MBBF was shitfaced after a fun night of college football when he made those posts...there's no excuse for being that big of a prick sober.
He must post here a lot drunk then.
cartman
01-04-2014, 10:40 AM
To be fair, at the time Mack Brown was hired, he was the head coach at UNC and his resume included two 1-10 seasons at UNC and his crown jewel was a win in the 1992 Peach Bowl. I like the Strong hire for Texas.
Yep. Rarely does a well established coach from a big program leave to go straight to another big program. There is usually a retirement or visit to the NFL first.
Meyer was at Bowling Green and Utah before landing at Florida
Stoops had only been a coordinator before going to Oklahoma
Tressel was at Youngstown State before going to Ohio State
BillJasper
01-04-2014, 11:15 AM
Yep. Rarely does a well established coach from a big program leave to go straight to another big program. There is usually a retirement or visit to the NFL first.
Meyer was at Bowling Green and Utah before landing at Florida
Stoops had only been a coordinator before going to Oklahoma
Tressel was at Youngstown State before going to Ohio State
This is just crazy talk. The only time a hire is successful is if the coach is stolen from another big school! :lol:
CU Tiger
01-04-2014, 11:28 AM
To be fair, at the time Mack Brown was hired, he was the head coach at UNC and his resume included two 1-10 seasons at UNC and his crown jewel was a win in the 1992 Peach Bowl. I like the Strong hire for Texas.
Far be it for me to defend MBBF, but....
Brown was 9 years removed from those 1-10 seasons (and they were his first 2 in Chapel Hill) He had won 55 games in the last 6 years and finished his final season at NC ranked 5th or 6th depending on which poll you consult.
He also had 13 years of HC experience.
Brown was absolutely a big time hire.
cartman
01-04-2014, 11:31 AM
Far be it for me to defend MBBF, but....
Brown was 9 years removed from those 1-10 seasons (and they were his first 2 in Chapel Hill) He had won 55 games in the last 6 years and finished his final season at NC ranked 5th or 6th depending on which poll you consult.
He also had 13 years of HC experience.
Brown was absolutely a big time hire.
But at the time it wasn't considered a home run hire. Then again, the expectations and situation weren't anywhere near what they are now. Mackovic was supposed to be the home run hire, and he fizzled out in a big way.
corbes
01-04-2014, 11:43 AM
I'm a UNC alum and have been a fan since Dick Crum era. Mack was certainly the best coach we ever had in my lifetime. All I'm saying is that his national profile at the time he was hired was perhaps more modest than we remember now.
BishopMVP
01-04-2014, 11:46 AM
To be fair, at the time Mack Brown was hired, he was the head coach at UNC and his resume included two 1-10 seasons at UNC and his crown jewel was a win in the 1992 Peach Bowl. I like the Strong hire for Texas.I'd argue it was leading UNC to back to back top 10 finishes, but your overall point stands - those last couple years were fairly similar to Strong's past 2 at Louisville.
It will be interesting to see if Strong continues to recruit the risky kids he did at Louisville, and the school gives him the leeway to do so, or if Texas's pull is so great he doesn't have to.
cartman
01-04-2014, 11:59 AM
I'm a UNC alum and have been a fan since Dick Crum era. Mack was certainly the best coach we ever had in my lifetime. All I'm saying is that his national profile at the time he was hired was perhaps more modest than we remember now.
Yeah, I remember people were mad that Texas didn't get Gary Barnett, Bob Toledo or Butch Davis back in 1997.
MrBug708
01-04-2014, 12:33 PM
Hiring Toledo would have been a total fail since he'd be at the job for just 2 years.
GrantDawg
01-04-2014, 01:18 PM
Not to defend MBBF too much, but I would think it is pretty safe to say Strong was probably below UT's top five. But that had more to do with how high they were shooting, than any negative about the job. A school like UT (much like Alabama) should shoot really high, because they never know who that might be able to pull (look at the Saban hire).
That said, to say Strong was an underwhelming hire is just in the context of who they were going for. Compared to Saban (or Gruden, or any of the other stars they made runs at), yeah, pretty underwhelming. But Strong is a really good get for UT. He'll be a good fit for the program, and is an up-and-comer with some head coaching experience. I was afraid he'd end up at UF next year, and am personally sort of happy he didn't end up in the SEC.
MrBug708
01-04-2014, 01:20 PM
I don't think people disagree that Strong wasn't the first choice, but that it was a total disaster of a coaching hire
http://imageshack.com/a/img194/2294/k3d.gif
Vegas Vic
01-04-2014, 01:33 PM
Clearly, Oklahoma State was still demoralized after their season ending loss to Oklahoma, which also knocked them out of a BCS Bowl. If they were motivated, they would have destroyed Missouri.
Logan
01-04-2014, 01:46 PM
I don't think people disagree that Strong wasn't the first choice, but that it was a total disaster of a coaching hire
http://imageshack.com/a/img194/2294/k3d.gif
He's amazing. And that is amazing.
Ragone
01-04-2014, 02:34 PM
Apparently the hold up involves texas not wanting to take Clintt Hurtt and other members of strong's entourage.. this isn't over apparently..
Which as a Louisville fan, is rather irritating and amusing all in the same boat.. Jurich is one of the best Ad's in the nation.. but recruiting is coming up soon and coaches are already moving.. its holding them up from making a move..
Klinglerware
01-04-2014, 03:30 PM
I definitely agree. Even if Whipple only wants to use us as a stepping stone, that'd require a huge improvement and set us up in a much better place to hire the next coach (or maybe hand if off to Don Brown again :lol: ), Plus, honestly as a MAC team that's pretty much our role in the 1A universe.
Curious if you know any more info on the Whipple to UConn/BC gigs falling through. I've heard the same thing - that he pushed for higher assistant salaries than either wanted to pay, but I've always thought there had to be something more. Either he came off too arrogantly to the Presidents, or pushed for a lowering of academic standards for players or something.
I don't know any more than you do on the previous Whipple candidacies. Other than the money/assistant coach demands being plausible, other reported reasons for Whipple losing out seem almost nonsensical. For example, Whipple losing the UConn job because "he did not have the support of CT high school coaches that Pasqualoni did" was a weird one--firstly because he coached for a couple of years at New Haven, and built strong New England programs at Brown and UMass; secondly, the amount of HS football talent that CT produces shouldn't make in-state ties that big of a concern.
His program at Brown did have some issues with LOIC and player discipline (at least for an Ivy), but I'm not sure if that would really be that big of a factor. Otherwise, I agree that there could be something unspoken going on that could have scuttled otherwise "shoo-in" HC candidacies at UConn and BC. Until he got hired at Miami, it also seemed strange that someone that had previously had a consistent track record for designing juggernaut offenses could barely get a sniff at OC opportunities in the five years after he left UMass.
Logan
01-04-2014, 03:34 PM
Apparently the hold up involves texas not wanting to take Clintt Hurtt and other members of strong's entourage.. this isn't over apparently..
Which as a Louisville fan, is rather irritating and amusing all in the same boat.. Jurich is one of the best Ad's in the nation.. but recruiting is coming up soon and coaches are already moving.. its holding them up from making a move..
Hurtt has a show cause so it's not as simple as just taking him, right? They need to go in front of the NCAA and actually stick their necks out for him. Which I'm guessing they could be really hesitant to do.
That being said, I doubt Strong would let that hold him back at the very end. Unless Hurtt has a reason he needs to be kept happy...
Ragone
01-04-2014, 03:37 PM
I think that's part of it Logan.. guess we are gonna find out.. heh
chadritt
01-04-2014, 03:40 PM
Should I start the pool for which thread MBBF will ruin next?
I would assume the playoff thread. Im even 90% sure exactly what he'll say but I dont want to post it because that will change his plans.
Ragone
01-04-2014, 03:42 PM
Don't worry.. once the chiefs lose, that thread should be safe :)
Atocep
01-04-2014, 09:09 PM
From all I've heard Al Golden will be the next coach at Penn State.
Couple of places reporting an agreement in principle has been reached.
Matthean
01-04-2014, 09:25 PM
I don't get why Gruden and some other so called A-list hires are so. People seem to think some people will show up and obvious success happens. I would much rather have a guy who's been coaching as of late versus some dude who's been out of it for six years. Let's not forget he was 57-55 with Tampa and that's with a 12-4 Super Bowl winning team to start off.
Don't worry.. once the chiefs lose, that thread should be safe :)
Truthiness.
tarcone
01-04-2014, 10:11 PM
With Strongs ties to Florida and landing at the jewel of Texas, where every kid in Texas wants to go. I see this hire as being outstanding.
Texas will be loaded with 5* Florida and Texas kids.
MrBug708
01-05-2014, 02:17 PM
RichRod is Louisville's top choice
MrBug708
01-05-2014, 03:08 PM
Golden staying
Izulde
01-05-2014, 03:19 PM
RichRod is Louisville's top choice
This could potentially be bad.
MrBug708
01-05-2014, 03:32 PM
In what way?
Ragone
01-05-2014, 05:34 PM
Rich rod got a raw deal at michigan.. He's done
Quite well at zona. I'd rather have narduzzi from mich state.. But I'd
Be ok with rich rod
Ragone
01-05-2014, 05:37 PM
As far as strong at Texas goes.. Read pat fordes article on yahoo.. Strong
HATED dealing with media in a smaller market.. He outright refused
To deal with boosters.. That kinda stuff won't fly at Texas..
Matthean
01-05-2014, 08:12 PM
Rich rod got a raw deal at michigan..
You won't win this argument.
Young Drachma
01-05-2014, 08:34 PM
Seems like he has $5 million reasons per year to learn to adapt to his new responsibilities.
cartman
01-05-2014, 08:54 PM
Seems like he has $5 million reasons per year to learn to adapt to his new responsibilities.
Plus it isn't like he has the resources of a dedicated TV network or anything like that to lean on and learn from. If games were won via press conferences, Mack Brown would have gone undefeated at Texas.
It will be interesting to see the change in environment for the football program. About the only trait Strong and Brown have in common is their ability to recruit.
Lathum
01-05-2014, 09:07 PM
As far as strong at Texas goes.. Read pat fordes article on yahoo.. Strong
HATED dealing with media in a smaller market.. He outright refused
To deal with boosters.. That kinda stuff won't fly at Texas..
It will if he wins
cartman
01-06-2014, 01:28 PM
Charlie Strong said all the right things at his introductory press conference.
Strong's first press conference: 'The bricks are there' | Bevo Beat | www.statesman.com (http://www.statesman.com/weblogs/bevo-beat/2014/jan/06/strongs-first-press-conference-bricks-are-there/)
Ragone
01-06-2014, 01:55 PM
5m from the 3.6ish mill isn't that big of a raise
... Not dealing with texas boosters will end up being
The problem.. Regardless I hope he does well..
Anyway, as long as Louisville doesn't even consider rehiring
Petrino I'm ok with the choice
HomerSimpson98
01-06-2014, 01:56 PM
Let it be said that I like Charlie. In fact, I had him as 1a and Sumlin as 1b when we were looking for a coach. 1b sure has worked well for us. The D side of the ball will see noticeable improvement in Austin from Day 1. He employs the fast, athletic, attacking style of D that was the Whorns trademark back in their heyday in the early 2000s.
Having said that, I don't know if this marriage is going to work. The texas job is more than just X's and O's and as it stands now, Charlie is going to rankle some of those old Texas Ex's who like their bellies rubbed. If he wins right out of the gate, that shouldnt be a problem. If not? Unknown.
He also has to learn the state recruiting ropes and do it damn fast. He's relied on Florida for all his players in the past. And with Sumlin, Briles, Stoops, Gundy, KK, etc, he won't have a lack of competitors for top-flight Texas talent.
Also, I've seen question marks concerning the type of player he recruits. At Louisville, he had no problems bringing in the wayward son as long as he could play ball. The academic requirement differences between the 2 schools is substantial - will that a problem going forward as well?
All in all, I hope Charlie does well - as long as he doesn't mind playing second fiddle :)
cartman
01-06-2014, 02:02 PM
I'm pretty certain he's going to keep the assistant coaches that have been recruiting Texas, like Wyatt, Rucker and Chambers. We'll find out by the end of the week who he is keeping from the current staff.
As for the boosters, that does have the potential to turn out badly. I think this is where keeping Mack Brown around the program could help. He can run interference.
Ragone
01-06-2014, 03:26 PM
Looking at admissions.. There is 0 difference between ut Austin and Louisville..
So he'll have no problem getting in his wayward sons as you put it..
HomerSimpson98
01-07-2014, 09:01 AM
Looking at admissions.. There is 0 difference between ut Austin and Louisville..
So he'll have no problem getting in his wayward sons as you put it..
My apologies here. I spent some time yesterday trying to find the academic entrance requirements for athletes for both schools and came up empty. But I could have sworn I saw where the Big 12 has some of the more stringent academic requirements in the past, but I cant seem to prove it now. And since the institution can also impose additional requirements on its incoming student athletes, I thought Texas was even higher. But I have nothing to back that up except a fuzzy memory. Having said that, Texas got Jamal Charles into Austin and I still dont know if he can spell cat.
Ragone
01-07-2014, 11:51 AM
No biggie, it looks like my first thought was right though.
Boosters are going to be a problem for Charlie Strong..
NCAAF Red McCombs bashes Texas hire - ESPN (http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=10257706)
BillJasper
01-07-2014, 12:14 PM
No biggie, it looks like my first thought was right though.
Boosters are going to be a problem for Charlie Strong..
NCAAF Red McCombs bashes Texas hire - ESPN (http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=10257706)
Sounds like McCombs really has no idea what he is talking about. But then we already knew that because of his highly successful tenure as Vikings owner. :lol:
dawgfan
01-07-2014, 12:21 PM
But I could have sworn I saw where the Big 12 has some of the more stringent academic requirements in the past, but I cant seem to prove it now.
I'm sorry, but this just amuses the hell out of me.
The vast majority of schools use the NCAA minimum standards. There are a few select schools that voluntarily use higher standards for incoming freshmen - Stanford being a notable example, UCLA, and I would assume schools like Northwestern, Vanderbilt and Duke might as well (and there are probably a few others) - but most use the NCAA minimums, including highly prestigious universities like Cal-Berkeley.
Of course the schools that voluntarily use higher standards don't always use the same higher standards - it's widely believed Stanford relaxed their entrance requirements a bit when Harbaugh arrived, and I believe Mora has been pushing to relax standards a bit at UCLA. Notre Dame has had varying standards based on who the coach was and how hard they pushed back to get more marginal recruits admitted.
HomerSimpson98
01-07-2014, 12:37 PM
CU-Tiger knows probably more about entrance requirements for student athletes, but I can tell you that there are more schools than you think that have higher standards than the NCAA minimum. I know Florida is one from the research I did yesterday and A&M has had guys cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse but denied admission due to requirements. The NCAA's requirements themselves are becoming a little harder in a couple of years so maybe they will all be more inline with one another.
Edit: And to respond to your post, B12 academic requirements was a huge sticking point with Nebraska and Osborne when the Huskers were considering joining the conference. Huskers like their guys fast, strong, and very dumb.
Eaglesfan27
01-07-2014, 02:27 PM
USC has hired Defensive Line Coach Bo Davis who worked many years with Saban before joining Texas.
larrymcg421
01-07-2014, 02:33 PM
Happy that Golden is staying. He has a great recruiting class and last time we switched coaches, we lost Bridgewater.
Buccaneer
01-07-2014, 06:06 PM
I'm sorry, but this just amuses the hell out of me.
The vast majority of schools use the NCAA minimum standards. There are a few select schools that voluntarily use higher standards for incoming freshmen - Stanford being a notable example, UCLA, and I would assume schools like Northwestern, Vanderbilt and Duke might as well (and there are probably a few others) - but most use the NCAA minimums, including highly prestigious universities like Cal-Berkeley.
Of course the schools that voluntarily use higher standards don't always use the same higher standards - it's widely believed Stanford relaxed their entrance requirements a bit when Harbaugh arrived, and I believe Mora has been pushing to relax standards a bit at UCLA. Notre Dame has had varying standards based on who the coach was and how hard they pushed back to get more marginal recruits admitted.
I call BS on NCAA minimum standards. Seems like some of these athletes do not even belong in high school, let alone being at a university (or if your name was Fab Melo, third grade).
CNN: Some college athletes play like adults, read like 5th-graders - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Izulde
01-07-2014, 06:15 PM
I call BS on NCAA minimum standards. Seems like some of these athletes do not even belong in high school, let alone being at a university (or if your name was Fab Melo, third grade).
CNN: Some college athletes play like adults, read like 5th-graders - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
That article is a bit sensationalistic, TBH.
That said, NCAA bylaws *do* allow universities to have exceptions for student-athletes.
NCAA Bylaw 14.1.5.1.1 states, “A student-athlete may be admitted under a special exception to the institution’s normal entrance requirements if the discretionary authority of the president or chancellor (or designated admissions officer or committee) to grant such exceptions is set forth in an official document published by the university (e.g., official catalog) that describes the institution’s admissions requirements.”
Buccaneer
01-07-2014, 06:21 PM
That article is a bit sensationalistic, TBH.
That said, NCAA bylaws *do* allow universities to have exceptions for student-athletes.
Hmm, I guess that explains how many of them are able to get in. But I am against this (and I have first-hand experience of what some student-athletes actually do and get away with academically). If a university wants field a sports team, then hire out athletes as employees of the university. Do not continue the mockery of an academic institution using exceptions and make them attend classes where they are taking the seats of real students.
Young Drachma
01-07-2014, 06:24 PM
If you'd ever spent more than a week in admissions at even a non-scholarship university, you discover how many "special admit" classes institutions have. No matter what institution, they all have baselines they won't go lower than. Not every admissions director is just rolling over for [insert coach here] because no matter how much these guy control the pursestrings, there are just some that won't ever get in.
But when we're talking about billions of dollars in revenues generated across the board, people seem surprised to discover on Christmas Day that there's no Santa Claus.
Buccaneer
01-07-2014, 06:30 PM
If you'd ever spent more than a week in admissions at even a non-scholarship university, you discover how many "special admit" classes institutions have. No matter what institution, they all have baselines they won't go lower than. Not every admissions director is just rolling over for [insert coach here] because no matter how much these guy control the pursestrings, there are just some that won't ever get in.
But when we're talking about billions of dollars in revenues generated across the board, people seem surprised to discover on Christmas Day that there's no Santa Claus.
Still doesn't explain the admission of Fab Melo. :)
Young Drachma
01-07-2014, 06:49 PM
Still doesn't explain the admission of Fab Melo. :)
He was foreign. Different admissions committee at some schools. ;)
molson
01-07-2014, 06:51 PM
If you'd ever spent more than a week in admissions at even a non-scholarship university, you discover how many "special admit" classes institutions have. No matter what institution, they all have baselines they won't go lower than. Not every admissions director is just rolling over for [insert coach here] because no matter how much these guy control the pursestrings, there are just some that won't ever get in.
But when we're talking about billions of dollars in revenues generated across the board, people seem surprised to discover on Christmas Day that there's no Santa Claus.
How often does that happen though? Are there a lot of top-rated high school recruits who have big-school level talent whose playing days simply end because they can't get into college?
chadritt
01-07-2014, 08:05 PM
How often does that happen though? Are there a lot of top-rated high school recruits who have big-school level talent whose playing days simply end because they can't get into college?
Id guess its why some players wind up going to JCs first.
Young Drachma
01-07-2014, 08:22 PM
How often does that happen though? Are there a lot of top-rated high school recruits who have big-school level talent whose playing days simply end because they can't get into college?
Yes, it happens a lot. As mentioned, lots of kids end up not able to qualify or end up at JUCOs only to never be heard from again replaced by the latest flavor. Or who end up in college and fail out in their redshirt year. Or whatever.
The thing is, the system self-selects in a way. In HS the kids take the classes they can pass. In college, they're steered towards classes that keep them eligible and the coaches are less concerned often times whether the students are learning and more interested in ensuring they're eligible to practice, etc., or threatening to kick them to the curb for the legions of kids who want that spot.
So the students are victims to a system that adults perpetuate often because we're all being paid -- even the admissions counselors -- and the students are just that. We should know better and be more willing to say no, I think, when it doesn't serve as good an interest.
But a lot of it is often driven by altruism too and this idea that you have to give people a chance even when it's less than prudent to do so.
CU Tiger
01-07-2014, 08:57 PM
It happen more than some might think. (NFL level talent withering on the vine post high school) but learning disabilities are all the new hotness, including performance anxiety... with the right LD diagnosis cocktail you can get verbal test administered without a witness.(I'll with hold names but myeast favorite piece of trash soon to be NFL bust college player fits this criteria)...And ADA can even trump a 4 ACT at a state college (we can't be discriminating now)
That said, most colleges have criteria at least slightly above NCAA guidelines. At least in name.
Now if you want to get my blood pressure up we can talk partial qualifiers...Marshall, WVU and ECU I'm looking at you. In fact I know one young man who was committed to both Clemson and UGA at diiferent times who failed the SC exit exam. ( for perspective my relatively bright 7th grade some has passed his already) and was admitted to Marshall. WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA.
Swaggs
01-07-2014, 09:18 PM
It happen more than some might think. (NFL level talent withering on the vine post high school) but learning disabilities are all the new hotness, including performance anxiety... with the right LD diagnosis cocktail you can get verbal test administered without a witness.(I'll with hold names but myeast favorite piece of trash soon to be NFL bust college player fits this criteria)...And ADA can even trump a 4 ACT at a state college (we can't be discriminating now)
That said, most colleges have criteria at least slightly above NCAA guidelines. At least in name.
Now if you want to get my blood pressure up we can talk partial qualifiers...Marshall, WVU and ECU I'm looking at you. In fact I know one young man who was committed to both Clemson and UGA at diiferent times who failed the SC exit exam. ( for perspective my relatively bright 7th grade some has passed his already) and was admitted to Marshall. WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA.
WVU hasn't allowed partial qualifiers since 2005.
Atocep
01-07-2014, 09:21 PM
Now if you want to get my blood pressure up we can talk partial qualifiers...Marshall, WVU and ECU I'm looking at you. In fact I know one young man who was committed to both Clemson and UGA at diiferent times who failed the SC exit exam. ( for perspective my relatively bright 7th grade some has passed his already) and was admitted to Marshall. WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA.
It's been almost 9 years since WVU was able to accept partial qualifiers.
Doc Holliday is building Marshall by landing partial qualifiers that are steered his way by guys he has connections to (such as Urban Meyer). The number of 3-4 star players he's brought to Marshall as partial qualifiers is staggering.
Buccaneer
01-07-2014, 09:23 PM
WVU hasn't allowed partial qualifiers since 2005.
because partial qualifiers would exceed the standard for West Virginia. j/k :)
CU Tiger
01-08-2014, 07:19 AM
WVU hasn't allowed partial qualifiers since 2005.
It's been almost 9 years since WVU was able to accept partial qualifiers.
Doc Holliday is building Marshall by landing partial qualifiers that are steered his way by guys he has connections to (such as Urban Meyer). The number of 3-4 star players he's brought to Marshall as partial qualifiers is staggering.
Total brain fart on my part. I knew that. thanks.
To be fair, they were never as bad as the other two about it.
MrBug708
01-08-2014, 08:26 AM
I know of a football player who is in a PAC-12 school where he was allowed 8 days to take the SAT due to a learning disability which he didn't have. Just get it on the IEP and it's gotta be followed.
It's not just athletes though. Harvard-Westlake, a pretty prestigious Academic powerhouse school in LA had the highest percentage of IEP's to student ratio in the country. Students were able to get a doctor to sign off on something like performance anxiety and the teachers would go to the district, get the IEP completed, and receive the extra time to help improve their scores in getting into Harvard, Yale, Stanford, whatever school they wanted to.
ISiddiqui
01-08-2014, 11:04 AM
LOL
Louisville Cardinals interview Bobby Petrino - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10260182/louisville-cardinals-interview-bobby-petrino)
Ronnie Dobbs3
01-08-2014, 11:53 AM
Pat Forde: Petrino hiring imminent
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--bobby-petrino-returning-for-second-stint-as-louisville-s-head-coach-174716054.html
BillJasper
01-08-2014, 12:00 PM
Pat Forde: Petrino hiring imminent
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--bobby-petrino-returning-for-second-stint-as-louisville-s-head-coach-174716054.html
This just has disaster written all over it. Though it'll be interesting to see if the disaster comes on the field or off. :lol:
cartman
01-08-2014, 12:17 PM
My guess any landmines are off the field. His college coaching record is 83-30.
HomerSimpson98
01-08-2014, 01:35 PM
Wow. just wow. Not to mention that he is a giant doucher, but didn't he leave Kragthorpe with a team in ruins, chaos, and devoid of talent? Ragone, your thoughts?
HomerSimpson98
01-08-2014, 01:38 PM
(I'll with hold names but myeast favorite piece of trash soon to be NFL bust college player fits this criteria)...And ADA can even trump a 4 ACT at a state college (we can't be discriminating now)
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molson
01-08-2014, 01:46 PM
Do they have job lined up for the mistress too?
Matthean
01-08-2014, 01:47 PM
My guess any landmines are off the field. His college coaching record is 83-30.
My theory remains that coaches only get so much karma and going to a new place takes away from said pool. If I'm going after the same recruits as he is, I'm going to have a field day.
BishopMVP
01-08-2014, 02:08 PM
Now if you want to get my blood pressure up we can talk partial qualifiers...Marshall, WVU and ECU I'm looking at you. In fact I know one young man who was committed to both Clemson and UGA at diiferent times who failed the SC exit exam. ( for perspective my relatively bright 7th grade some has passed his already) and was admitted to Marshall. WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA.UMass has taken a decent number of partial qualifiers/"Prop 48" guys in basketball (although I'm pretty sure all of them did have a HS diploma). Like any system, it can be abused by unscrupulous coaches, and some of them quickly fail out, but we've also had a number of players from real bad backgrounds who graduated in 4 years, became the first person in their family to graduate college, etc. Lou Roe, Tyrone Weeks, Rashaun Freeman are just a couple off the top of my head, and they're all great representatives for the University. Even now our star big man Cady Lalanne would've been at Auburn, one of our (redshirt) freshman was a non-qualifier who paid his own way and sat out his 1st year on campus, and we've got another 4* commit to VaTech Donte Clark who is sitting out this year as a partial-qualifier. (We've also had a few guys none of you would've ever heard of that came under the same protocol and quickly failed out academically, or more often got kicked out for character issues.) I have no problem with schools offering chances to kids like that, as long as they're held to the same standards as others once they're on campus.
Matthean
01-08-2014, 05:44 PM
Al is out at Michigan. About time.
MrBug708
01-08-2014, 05:45 PM
Talk of Mazzone being targeted
Ragone
01-08-2014, 06:07 PM
Wow. just wow. Not to mention that he is a giant doucher, but didn't he leave Kragthorpe with a team in ruins, chaos, and devoid of talent? Ragone, your thoughts?
Honestly, at first I was horrified by the thought..
However from my understanding, his contract
Will be easily void able if he violates moral clauses.. Now what
Those constitute who knows.. Personally I'd fire him on the spot
If he so much as makes googly eyes at another school..
Bottom line, I trust tom Jurich.
Logan
01-09-2014, 06:38 AM
Honestly, at first I was horrified by the thought..
However from my understanding, his contract
Will be easily void able if he violates moral clauses.. Now what
Those constitute who knows.. Personally I'd fire him on the spot
If he so much as makes googly eyes at another school..
Bottom line, I trust tom Jurich.
I don't think you should be worrying about Louisville's ability to get out of anything with Petrino (beyond likely having good lawyers, at the very least, they have the kind of money where the next move wouldn't be a concern) but by what would be left behind if/when he leaves. Your team and Arkansas were in complete shambles when he left, with players who could play in no other system. That plus Jurich went on record post-Petrino talking about how many players he brought in that they had to kick off the team for various reasons.
That being said, he obviously wins.
JonInMiddleGA
01-09-2014, 11:44 AM
If the rumors about Kiffy to Bama as the new OC come true, let's just go ahead and circle October 25, 2014 on the calendar:
Alabama at Tennessee
Likely to produce the largest noise in the history of Knoxville, perhaps in the history of the east coast.
BillJasper
01-09-2014, 11:51 AM
I don't think you should be worrying about Louisville's ability to get out of anything with Petrino (beyond likely having good lawyers, at the very least, they have the kind of money where the next move wouldn't be a concern) but by what would be left behind if/when he leaves. Your team and Arkansas were in complete shambles when he left, with players who could play in no other system. That plus Jurich went on record post-Petrino talking about how many players he brought in that they had to kick off the team for various reasons.
That being said, he obviously wins.
It just feels like Louisville sold their soul to the Devil when there were other options available.
Butter
01-09-2014, 11:53 AM
Petrino also went on to say that Louisville was where he wanted to finish his career, saying "emotionally I'm tied to doing that and contractually I'm tied to doing that."
Wow, I'm getting all choked up after reading that.
Logan
01-09-2014, 11:57 AM
Franklin to PSU appears done.
M GO BLUE!!!
01-09-2014, 12:57 PM
Michigan hiring Nussmeier is huge. Not only getting a well respected coordinator who should put together a solid offense, but it finally is some good news to stop all the negativity surrounding the program. Frankly, this past season had been tough.
BillJasper
01-09-2014, 01:03 PM
Michigan hiring Nussmeier is huge. Not only getting a well respected coordinator who should put together a solid offense, but it finally is some good news to stop all the negativity surrounding the program. Frankly, this past season had been tough.
Plus, you have a built in replacement for Hoke should Michigan struggle again next year.
dawgfan
01-09-2014, 01:55 PM
Michigan hiring Nussmeier is huge. Not only getting a well respected coordinator who should put together a solid offense, but it finally is some good news to stop all the negativity surrounding the program. Frankly, this past season had been tough.
Nussmeier is a really good coach. I'm not sure exactly what prompted what appears to be a lateral move from Alabama, but it's good news for you guys. He's a terrific QB mentor, and I think he's got a really good mind for offense. The only downside with him is he's on the doorstep of getting good head coaching offers, so if he's a success there next year, there's a good chance he's one and done and off to a head coaching gig.
Kodos
01-09-2014, 01:56 PM
Frankly, this past season had been tough.
Try being a Hoosier football fan. The past couple of decades have been tough.
M GO BLUE!!!
01-09-2014, 04:11 PM
Try being a Hoosier football fan. The past couple of decades have been tough.
I can't even imagine what that's like... Oh wait, I'm also a Detroit Lions fan. Guess I don't have to imagine.
Kodos
01-09-2014, 04:37 PM
:D
RomaGoth
01-09-2014, 06:58 PM
Nussmeier is a really good coach. I'm not sure exactly what prompted what appears to be a lateral move from Alabama, but it's good news for you guys. He's a terrific QB mentor, and I think he's got a really good mind for offense. The only downside with him is he's on the doorstep of getting good head coaching offers, so if he's a success there next year, there's a good chance he's one and done and off to a head coaching gig.
Perhaps he can take over for Hoke after he gets fired. ;)
RomaGoth
01-09-2014, 07:00 PM
Plus, you have a built in replacement for Hoke should Michigan struggle again next year.
Didn't see this until after I posted essentially the same thing. I wonder if the Michigan AD is smart enough to have made this hire with this in mind...not sure about that but it could end up that way in any case.
RomaGoth
01-09-2014, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Sportsline article
Petrino also went on to say that Louisville was where he wanted to finish his career, saying "emotionally I'm tied to doing that and contractually I'm tied to doing that."
Wow, I'm getting all choked up after reading that.
Same here. In fact, I feel like drowning my sorrows in some alcohol.
MrBug708
01-09-2014, 07:54 PM
If the rumors about Kiffy to Bama as the new OC come true, let's just go ahead and circle October 25, 2014 on the calendar:
Alabama at Tennessee
Likely to produce the largest noise in the history of Knoxville, perhaps in the history of the east coast.
Saban and Sexton throwing Kif a bone
BishopMVP
01-09-2014, 07:58 PM
Didn't see this until after I posted essentially the same thing. I wonder if the Michigan AD is smart enough to have made this hire with this in mind...not sure about that but it could end up that way in any case.Has that ever worked where a school fired its head coach and promoted a current staff member? I know I advocated it for Auburn when Malzahn was OC and Chizik HC (and for once, I got one right!), but they didn't try to do it. I guess Oregon kind of did it for Chip Kelly, but that involved an older coach you could plausibly push into a "promotion" to AD.
britrock88
01-09-2014, 09:41 PM
If the rumors about Kiffy to Bama as the new OC come true, let's just go ahead and circle October 25, 2014 on the calendar:
Alabama at Tennessee
Likely to produce the largest noise in the history of Knoxville, perhaps in the history of the east coast.
Why do they always schedule the Third Saturday in October on the fourth Saturday in October?
britrock88
01-09-2014, 09:42 PM
Has that ever worked where a school fired its head coach and promoted a current staff member? I know I advocated it for Auburn when Malzahn was OC and Chizik HC (and for once, I got one right!), but they didn't try to do it. I guess Oregon kind of did it for Chip Kelly, but that involved an older coach you could plausibly push into a "promotion" to AD.
Bielema succeeded Alvarez at Wisconsin, as Alvarez retired and took the AD gig.
MrBug708
01-09-2014, 09:52 PM
Has that ever worked where a school fired its head coach and promoted a current staff member? I know I advocated it for Auburn when Malzahn was OC and Chizik HC (and for once, I got one right!), but they didn't try to do it. I guess Oregon kind of did it for Chip Kelly, but that involved an older coach you could plausibly push into a "promotion" to AD.
Boise State
There are older instances with coaches
Matthean
01-09-2014, 10:14 PM
I'm not sure exactly what prompted what appears to be a lateral move from Alabama
Kiffin shows up, and he might not have enjoyed that.
dawgfan
01-09-2014, 11:23 PM
Boise State
Who did Boise State fire?
MrBug708
01-10-2014, 01:00 AM
I missed the fired part :)
Breeze
01-10-2014, 08:57 AM
Not a head coaching gig...but apparently Kevin Steele is going to Louisville as the DC...
BishopMVP
01-10-2014, 09:15 AM
Bielema succeeded Alvarez at Wisconsin, as Alvarez retired and took the AD gig.Yeah, we've seen it with an older coach that was willing to be pushed upstairs, but somehow I doubt Hoke wants to be an AD at this time (or that Michigan people want him to be). Barring some sort of off-field scandal I don't see any way you can fire the head coach and promote the assistant. Either Nussmeier does well enough that Hoke stays on or they're both looking for new jobs - even if the D is the real problem.
Lathum
01-10-2014, 09:17 AM
Has that ever worked where a school fired its head coach and promoted a current staff member? I know I advocated it for Auburn when Malzahn was OC and Chizik HC (and for once, I got one right!), but they didn't try to do it. I guess Oregon kind of did it for Chip Kelly, but that involved an older coach you could plausibly push into a "promotion" to AD.
Ed O did pretty well when he took over for Kiffen at USC.
BishopMVP
01-10-2014, 09:22 AM
Ed O did pretty well when he took over for Kiffen at USC.That's an in-season interim gig where you basically have to keep it within the current staff, and he didn't get the job in the end. But that probably is the closest scenario - a school like USC where drama thrives and you have coaches with outlandish personalities.
JonInMiddleGA
01-10-2014, 09:30 AM
Why do they always schedule the Third Saturday in October on the fourth Saturday in October?
Always a fun question :)
Prior to 1992 (and the introduction of divisions within the conference) the game was always the 3rd Saturday.
Since then it's happened only 6 times.
JonInMiddleGA
01-10-2014, 09:31 AM
I missed the fired part :)
I almost did the same thing. I was about to name Ken Niumatalolo at Navy, who followed Paul Johnson (and actually has a slightly better winning percentage .620 to .609, which I didn't realize before looking it up)
digamma
01-10-2014, 10:46 AM
Has that ever worked where a school fired its head coach and promoted a current staff member? I know I advocated it for Auburn when Malzahn was OC and Chizik HC (and for once, I got one right!), but they didn't try to do it. I guess Oregon kind of did it for Chip Kelly, but that involved an older coach you could plausibly push into a "promotion" to AD.
Jimbo?
digamma
01-10-2014, 10:46 AM
Oh, and Dabo.
digamma
01-10-2014, 10:46 AM
So, you pretty much have to have an -o at the end of your name for it to work.
BishopMVP
01-10-2014, 11:10 AM
Jimbo?Bobby Bowden falls under the same category of old legend who "retired". Now, we can argue about how strongly he was encouraged to retire, but he at least acquiesced publicly to the transition and gave it his blessing, similar to Alvarez/Bellotti. (That may have worked at Michigan with Lloyd Carr if there was a good candidate on staff. But Hoke will need to be fired.)
Dabo works. What's interesting in his case is that he wasn't even OC - he was the WR coach (and recruiting coordinator), and his first move was to fire the OC who had technically been his boss the previous week. :lol:
digamma
01-10-2014, 11:32 AM
I think the only question with Bowden's ouster was how long prior to his being forced out he was only acting as a puppet head coach. It was not a choice for him.
lungs
01-10-2014, 11:40 AM
I never got the impression that Barry Alvarez was forced out or even gently pushed. He was the Athletic Director when he stepped down.
Matthean
01-10-2014, 11:42 AM
even if the D is the real problem.
My hunch is Mattison will be gone soon enough. The defense had the least excuses and still ended up 67th in points against.
RomaGoth
01-10-2014, 12:13 PM
My hunch is Mattison will be gone soon enough. The defense had the least excuses and still ended up 67th in points against.
This.
Kodos
01-10-2014, 12:16 PM
Christmas finally comes!!!!! Mallory's defense was terrible and showed no signs of improving. Now, I have real hope for IU football once more. Curious to see who they will get to replace him. Would love to see us go after one of the top assistants from the Michigan State defensive staff.
Wilson Announces Coaching Staff Changes - Indiana University Official Athletic Site (http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011014aaa.html)
Jan. 10, 2014
BLOOMINGTON, Ind. - Indiana head football coach Kevin Wilson announced Friday that defensive coordinator Doug Mallory and defensive line coach Jon Fabris will not return to the coaching staff for the 2014 season.
"Doug and Jon are solid coaches and good men," Wilson said. "We appreciate everything they have done for IU Football and wish them both the very best moving forward. We are excited about the future as we continue to build our program in a positive way."
JonInMiddleGA
01-10-2014, 06:43 PM
Lane Kiffin hired as Alabama Crimson Tide offensive coordinator - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10275677/lane-kiffin-hired-alabama-crimson-tide-offensive-coordinator)
Matthean
01-10-2014, 07:07 PM
Lane Kiffin hired as Alabama Crimson Tide offensive coordinator - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10275677/lane-kiffin-hired-alabama-crimson-tide-offensive-coordinator)
I'm wait and see on this. For as much flack as he gets, I think it will benefit him not being the head coach. I'm still not sure what advantage he brings compared to Nussmeier who by all accounts did a rather good job.
Klinglerware
01-10-2014, 07:28 PM
http://www.gazettenet.com/home/10154623-95/sources-mark-whipple-interviews-for-umass-football-head-coaching-job
Whipple is reportedly the last candidate to interview. It is unclear how many candidates met with UMass officials on or off campus. Boston College defensive coordinator Don Brown and Louisville special teams coordinator Kenny Carter are believed to have been interviewed.
As of Friday evening, Whipple had not been offered the job, but was still believed to be the leading candidate.
Whipple and Brown are known quantities. I don't know much about Carter--does he have any New England ties or offer a comparative advantage?
Otherwise, I've read that UMass was also interested in Sean McDonnell but the interest wasn't mutual. Also Ambrose's contract extension seemingly puts an end to speculation over him.
tarcone
01-10-2014, 09:57 PM
Christmas finally comes!!!!! Mallory's defense was terrible and showed no signs of improving. Now, I have real hope for IU football once more. Curious to see who they will get to replace him. Would love to see us go after one of the top assistants from the Michigan State defensive staff.
Wilson Announces Coaching Staff Changes - Indiana University Official Athletic Site (http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011014aaa.html)
Jan. 10, 2014
BLOOMINGTON, Ind. - Indiana head football coach Kevin Wilson announced Friday that defensive coordinator Doug Mallory and defensive line coach Jon Fabris will not return to the coaching staff for the 2014 season.
"Doug and Jon are solid coaches and good men," Wilson said. "We appreciate everything they have done for IU Football and wish them both the very best moving forward. We are excited about the future as we continue to build our program in a positive way."
I swear you say this (bolded) every offseason.
ISiddiqui
01-10-2014, 10:35 PM
Lane Kiffin hired as Alabama Crimson Tide offensive coordinator - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10275677/lane-kiffin-hired-alabama-crimson-tide-offensive-coordinator)
This has gotta be one of the greatest trolls in college football history.
Klinglerware
01-10-2014, 11:01 PM
UMass hires Mark Whipple as football coach | Boston Herald (http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_football/2014/01/umass_hires_mark_whipple_as_football_coach)
Whipple to UMass appears to be a done deal. But then again, we've been down this road before at BC and UConn--I'll believe it when we see him at the presser...
sterlingice
01-11-2014, 09:14 AM
I swear you say this (bolded) every offseason.
Hope springs eternal!
SI
Kodos
01-11-2014, 09:33 AM
I swear you say this (bolded) every offseason.
Hope springs eternal. If Mallory had been allowed to stay, I would have been very unenthusiastic. I have been very unenthusiastic.
Look, Indiana has been a historically bad program. Under Wilson, they have improved every season. But the defense has been putrid and not improving. If we can combine even an adequate defense with a very good offense, more wins will come.
Don't you make similar comments about Iowa basketball?
JonInMiddleGA
01-11-2014, 10:00 AM
Random trivia: the last Vandy coach to leave on his own accord for another job was 20 years ago, when Gerry DiNardo took over at LSU.
JonInMiddleGA
01-11-2014, 10:04 AM
On the heels of Franklin's departure from Nashville I see where Mike Bobo's name is starting to pop up ... from UGA fans hoping & praying he goes elsewhere :D
tarcone
01-11-2014, 05:44 PM
Hope springs eternal. If Mallory had been allowed to stay, I would have been very unenthusiastic. I have been very unenthusiastic.
Look, Indiana has been a historically bad program. Under Wilson, they have improved every season. But the defense has been putrid and not improving. If we can combine even an adequate defense with a very good offense, more wins will come.
Don't you make similar comments about Iowa basketball?
And its finally here. We are back, baby!
CU Tiger
01-11-2014, 06:16 PM
On the heels of Franklin's departure from Nashville I see where Mike Bobo's name is starting to pop up ... from UGA fans hoping & praying he goes elsewhere :D
Sounding like Chad Morris may have legs here. Kinda surprising hire but he'll be a good one for somebody soon.
CU Tiger
01-12-2014, 08:30 AM
Dola
And a bigger deal than it may sound like at first glance, but DE coach Chris Rumph has left Alabama for the same gig with Texas.
Rumph is a good recruiter and relates well to players but rumor mill suggests Saban may have advised him to find another gig before he was unemployed.
CU Tiger
01-13-2014, 06:16 AM
Taking over the thread?
Feel kinda dirty posting 3 in a row..
But sounds like the other shoe has now dropped and Ed Oregron has now agreed to be D-Line coach at Bama...
JonInMiddleGA
01-13-2014, 07:16 AM
At this point I think it's hard not to ask a couple of questions:
1) WTH is going on at Bama? Are these "staff defections" or guys that were no longer wanted?
and
2) Has Saban lost his f'n mind?
Logan
01-13-2014, 07:33 AM
Taking over the thread?
Feel kinda dirty posting 3 in a row..
But sounds like the other shoe has now dropped and Ed Oregron has now agreed to be D-Line coach at Bama...
Bruce Feldman @BFeldmanCBS
Saw reports saying that Ed Orgeron is expected to join #Bama staff.. I am pretty sure that's NOT gonna happen. Never was
Matthean
01-13-2014, 07:46 AM
I'm not surprised on any defensive changes as that side under performed this year. Kiffin, I got nothing outside of a personality clash.
BishopMVP
01-13-2014, 07:52 AM
http://www.gazettenet.com/home/10154623-95/sources-mark-whipple-interviews-for-umass-football-head-coaching-job
Whipple and Brown are known quantities. I don't know much about Carter--does he have any New England ties or offer a comparative advantage?
Otherwise, I've read that UMass was also interested in Sean McDonnell but the interest wasn't mutual. Also Ambrose's contract extension seemingly puts an end to speculation over him.Carter was rumored to basically be pushed by certain members of the search committee as the diversity interview, and I think McDonnell declined to be interviewed because he knew the job was going to Whipple. No sense pissing off that section of the UNH fan base when you don't have a real shot at the job.
Official press conference probably won't come until tmrw at 11am, but it appears Whipple's found an answer to his rumored problem with paying assistants enough - just bring the old gang back. Don Brown won't be coming, but reportedly his successor at DC back in 2002-03 under Whipple will be, along with others including mid-2000's QB and school passing records holder Liam Coen, and 1998 star RB Marcel Shipp.
Klinglerware
01-13-2014, 09:46 AM
Carter was rumored to basically be pushed by certain members of the search committee as the diversity interview, and I think McDonnell declined to be interviewed because he knew the job was going to Whipple. No sense pissing off that section of the UNH fan base when you don't have a real shot at the job.
Official press conference probably won't come until tmrw at 11am, but it appears Whipple's found an answer to his rumored problem with paying assistants enough - just bring the old gang back. Don Brown won't be coming, but reportedly his successor at DC back in 2002-03 under Whipple will be, along with others including mid-2000's QB and school passing records holder Liam Coen, and 1998 star RB Marcel Shipp.
Yes, it looks like Whipple understands that UMass isn't BC or even UConn from a budgetary POV, or was chastened by overreaching in prior negotiations, or both.
As I was reminded by posters on the Ivy League Sports boards, Whipple will likely want to call his own plays, so an experienced OC isn't a necessity. Coen could be good fit, as he has experience under the Whipple coaching tree via his stint as Brown's QB coach under Estes. (Not sure if UMass was still running the Whiplash when Coen was a player.)
It also looks like Sollazzo is going to get retained. It seems that being an energetic recruiter who keeps on trucking in spite of job insecurity increases one's chances of surviving a regime change. I believe that is how Orgeron managed to stay on at USC after Hackett got fired.
CU Tiger
01-13-2014, 10:01 AM
At this point I think it's hard not to ask a couple of questions:
1) WTH is going on at Bama? Are these "staff defections" or guys that were no longer wanted?
and
2) Has Saban lost his f'n mind?
A friend who covers Bama told me after the Iron Bowl that he sensed NS was a tad relieved they had lost because it would "allow him to cut dead weight"without lookin crazy".
Saban never likes to fire a coach, he prefers they leave on their own for selfish reasons.
1- he never made a bad hire
2- Even when the great X left us, we went out and got Y and look where we are and look where he is...who is the genius behind the curtain now...
I always liked Coach Rumph when he was in Clemson (and he played for SC....that says a lot lol) and despite him parting ways in about as bad a way as possible (short of him and Swinney physically coming to blows Im not sure it could have gotten much worse...they refused to pay his bowl bonus, enforced a buyout and sent him a bill for office equipment he removed from the facility in the amount of $37...) I continue to hold him in high regard. It is my understanding that when he was contacted bu UT he was told "We hear you are unhappy and looking to leave Bama..we'd love to have you and offer you a raise to come...despite Coach Rumph saying he was perfetly happy and planning on "retiring" at Bama..so who do you think floated that rumor.
Bruce Feldman @BFeldmanCBS
Saw reports saying that Ed Orgeron is expected to join #Bama staff.. I am pretty sure that's NOT gonna happen. Never was
Agree it sounds crazy. But people in Tuscaloosa are being told its a done deal. Even crazier with Kiff on the staff.
BishopMVP
01-13-2014, 10:31 AM
As I was reminded by posters on the Ivy League Sports boards, Whipple will likely want to call his own plays, so an experienced OC isn't a necessity. Coen could be good fit, as he has experience under the Whipple coaching tree via his stint as Brown's QB coach under Estes. (Not sure if UMass was still running the Whiplash when Coen was a player.)
It also looks like Sollazzo is going to get retained. It seems that being an energetic recruiter who keeps on trucking in spite of job insecurity increases one's chances of surviving a regime change. I believe that is how Orgeron managed to stay on at USC after Hackett got fired.As it should be - it helps to be recruiting at the level where no one has realistic NFL dreams, but coaches should be selling the school, not a coaching system.
Coen was recruited by Whipple, but played under Kevin Morris who came from Northeastern with Don Brown. I never saw too too much of UMass under Whipple, but to the best of my recollection we retained some of his signature sets (being willing to use offset lines, go 5-wide) but really lacked the creativity and innovation that Whipple was known for, although that may have just been Grass is Greener talk from older UMass fans - we did set pretty much every school offensive record in that 2004-2008 stretch. Fwiw, the reports have Coen coming in as QB coach, not OC. It is kind of odd to be naming position coaches before coordinators, but recruiting starts back up Friday, so there's no time to waste.
Klinglerware
01-13-2014, 10:52 AM
Yep, Coen coming in as QB coach, didn't mean to misconstrue that he was going in as OC...
GrantDawg
01-13-2014, 04:28 PM
Agree it sounds crazy. But people in Tuscaloosa are being told its a done deal. Even crazier with Kiff on the staff.
Didn't happen. Want to hear crazy? Bo Davis is going back to Bama, after just being hired at USC.
Logan
01-13-2014, 04:32 PM
Haha...love this time of year. It just keeps getting better.
MrBug708
01-13-2014, 05:16 PM
USC has hired Defensive Line Coach Bo Davis who worked many years with Saban before joining Texas.
Oops
Logan
01-14-2014, 07:03 AM
Larry Johnson appears to be joining Urban at OSU.
Chief Rum
01-14-2014, 11:45 AM
Larry Johnson appears to be joining Urban at OSU.
Will he be doing more grandmama commercials?
Dr. Sak
01-14-2014, 11:50 AM
Will he be doing more grandmama commercials?
Senior not Junior...Junior was the RB and the one who did the commericals...Senior is the coach.
Logan
01-14-2014, 11:51 AM
OSU also hired Chris Ash away from Arkansas to be a position coach.
digamma
01-14-2014, 12:27 PM
Senior not Junior...Junior was the RB and the one who did the commericals...Senior is the coach.
???
Grandmama was Larry Johnson the UNLV/Charlotte Hornets basketball player. Pretty sure Chief Rum was just making a joke.
lungs
01-14-2014, 12:28 PM
I thought Bielema went to Arkansas so he'd have enough money to keep his assistants?
Matthean
01-14-2014, 12:30 PM
Depends on if he wanted to.
Dr. Sak
01-14-2014, 12:36 PM
???
Grandmama was Larry Johnson the UNLV/Charlotte Hornets basketball player. Pretty sure Chief Rum was just making a joke.
You are right...totally forgot about that one.
BishopMVP
01-14-2014, 01:01 PM
Larry Johnson appears to be joining Urban at OSU.And presumably taking Thomas Holley with him.
Butter
01-14-2014, 01:33 PM
Yet OSU is keeping Luke Fickell as defensive coordinator. Fickell must have some messed up information to still have a job. That's the only thing I can think.
Chief Rum
01-14-2014, 01:48 PM
You are right...totally forgot about that one.
Yeah, it was a joke. And not an (ahem) very good one lol
JonInMiddleGA
01-14-2014, 02:10 PM
UGA gets FSU DC Jeremy Pruitt to replace Grantham.
Yeah, I'd say that's probably an upgrade.
edit to add: pending background check, paperwork, etc
double edit: ESPN says sources say he'll get $850k/yr, which is what Grantham was making. He made $500k last season at FSU but was expected to get some sort of a raise due to the title.
chadritt
01-14-2014, 03:46 PM
yeah....as a UGA guy who watched a lot of FSU with alumni friends this season I'm good with that.
Logan
01-14-2014, 04:11 PM
Looks like Robb Smith will be the new DC at Arkansas. He was set to take the Rutgers job before OSU grabbed Chris Ash from them.
JonInMiddleGA
01-14-2014, 06:36 PM
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CU Tiger
01-14-2014, 08:27 PM
Pruitt is pretty damn meteoric.
In 07 he was a HS assistant coach.
7 years later he has 3 MNC and is DC of his 2nd team.
I think this will be interesting to watch play out, Jimbo is not very well liked among coaching circles and sounds like that played at least a part in this move. But with the crystal football he has bought himself quite a while regardless
cartman
01-15-2014, 04:25 PM
Charlie Strong has announced the new coaching staff for Texas:
http://www.texassports.com/news/2014/1/15/FB_0115140254.aspx
Only one holdover from the previous coaching staff. There are quite a few guys with Texas ties. I guess even through that Wickline was named OC, it will be Watson that does the play calling.
tarcone
01-15-2014, 05:49 PM
Is it a winning staff, cartman?
cartman
01-15-2014, 05:59 PM
He brought the guys that were his OC and DC at Louisville with him, and they did pretty well there. The DC, Vance Bedford, is a Longhorn, so it is a bit of a homecoming for him. I think that Wickline was a huge hire, as it appeared he was never going to leave Okie State. He had the keys to Stillwater.
The assembled staff has a lot of high level coaching experience at both the college and pro levels. It will be interesting to see how they handle the Junior Days in February.
I do like the makeup of the staff, but it just bugs me a bit about just who will be in charge of the offense. I guess we'll know more after the Orange/White game in the spring.
JonInMiddleGA
01-15-2014, 09:23 PM
Two more defensive assistants leaving Georgia | www.ajc.com (http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/two-more-defensive-assistants-leaving-georgia/ncqFx/)
DL Coach Wilson to USC, LB Coach Olivadotti (rumored briefly for the DC job) back to the NFL with Washington.
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That was excellent.
dawgfan
01-15-2014, 11:28 PM
Tosh Lupoi is officially on the market.
CU Tiger
01-16-2014, 11:12 AM
Very interesting listen about Jeremy Pruit leaving FSU
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3869613/Rick_Ballou_on_Jeremy_Pruitt-1389829146.mp3
Now my opinion
1) Rick B is very well connected in Tally and often knows well before anyone else.
2) He has also been used as a mouthpiece for some FSU officials so it wouldnt surprise me if this is a smear campaign by them.
Essentially I dont know what to believe here but VERY candid and very interesting interview...thought others might enjoy listening
Chief Rum
01-16-2014, 11:15 AM
Tosh Lupoi is officially on the market.
And probably looking at a show cause.
Chief Rum
01-16-2014, 11:16 AM
Very interesting listen about Jeremy Pruit leaving FSU
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3869613/Rick_Ballou_on_Jeremy_Pruitt-1389829146.mp3
Now my opinion
1) Rick B is very well connected in Tally and often knows well before anyone else.
2) He has also been used as a mouthpiece for some FSU officials so it wouldnt surprise me if this is a smear campaign by them.
Essentially I dont know what to believe here but VERY candid and very interesting interview...thought others might enjoy listening
I can't really listen at work. Can you concisely describe the gist of the dirt they are throwing?
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 11:56 AM
I can't really listen at work. Can you concisely describe the gist of the dirt they are throwing?
39 year old guy engaged to marry a 23 year old girl ... alleged to have multiple other relationships going at the same time, including one with a "very young lady" in the FSU athletic department. Fiancee allegedly told him that if you want to get married then we're out of Tallahassee NOW.
digamma
01-16-2014, 12:00 PM
Good luck in Athens, future Mrs. Pruitt.
cartman
01-16-2014, 12:05 PM
Sounds like he maybe should have joined Petrino's staff. Maybe Petrino could have just lived vicariously through him to stay out of trouble. :D
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 12:05 PM
Good luck in Athens, future Mrs. Pruitt.
Heh, yeah. _IF_ there's truth to this rumor then it won't take long at all for him to, umm, "get acquainted" around here.
It's a town where Y-shaped futons are quite popular ;)
Logan
01-16-2014, 12:06 PM
Good luck in Athens, future Mrs. Pruitt.
Yeah, maybe next time, push for the Boise DC job.
CraigSca
01-16-2014, 12:20 PM
From wiki:
Jeremy Pruitt
Jeremy Pruitt is the defensive coordinator for the Georgia Bulldogs football team, and a known philanderer. He was the secondary coach for the Alabama Crimson Tide from 2010 to 2012 and won two national championships. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Pruitt)
Ben E Lou
01-16-2014, 12:22 PM
Heh, yeah. _IF_ there's truth to this rumor then it won't take long at all for him to, umm, "get acquainted" around here.
It's a town where Y-shaped futons are quite popular ;)Yeah, the options for some side lovin' aren't going to be exactly "limited" in Athens.
On another note, I Googled "Y-shaped futon" as an entire phrase and got ZERO hits. I've never heard that phrase. You make that one up yourself? If so, I gotta tip my hat. ;)
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 12:33 PM
On another note, I Googled "Y-shaped futon" as an entire phrase and got ZERO hits. I've never heard that phrase. You make that one up yourself? If so, I gotta tip my hat. ;)
Thanks, the specifics may be mine but it's strictly an adapation.
I saw a reference to someone so promiscuous that she was "buried in a Y-shaped coffin" last night (courtesy of Blackaddar) and it stuck with me so I altered it just a bit.
dawgfan
01-16-2014, 03:11 PM
And probably looking at a show cause.
Eh, I doubt it. The evidence is pretty shaky (the family of the recruit denies it, there's only circumstantial evidence so far), and there's a counter allegation that the guy accusing Tosh was trying to shake him down for hush money. Plus, even if the accusation is 100% true, does the NCAA really want to send this message, that an assistant coach paying a few thousand dollars for college test prep classes for a signed recruit that has yet to enroll in school is worth anything more than a slap on the wrist?
Chief Rum
01-16-2014, 03:39 PM
Eh, I doubt it. The evidence is pretty shaky (the family of the recruit denies it, there's only circumstantial evidence so far), and there's a counter allegation that the guy accusing Tosh was trying to shake him down for hush money. Plus, even if the accusation is 100% true, does the NCAA really want to send this message, that an assistant coach paying a few thousand dollars for college test prep classes for a signed recruit that has yet to enroll in school is worth anything more than a slap on the wrist?
I don't know much about how shaky the evidence is, so I'll go with what you have there and figure this may not go anywhere.
As to your second point, yer nuts if you don't think the NCAA is going to care about any coach (assistant or not) giving a recruit something that is valued a few thousand dollars.
GrantDawg
01-16-2014, 05:01 PM
39 year old guy engaged to marry a 23 year old girl ... alleged to have multiple other relationships going at the same time, including one with a "very young lady" in the FSU athletic department. Fiancee allegedly told him that if you want to get married then we're out of Tallahassee NOW.
The assistant AD for FSU went on that same radio show today and denied all the allegations, and pointed out his fiancee is 27, not 23.
dawgfan
01-16-2014, 08:27 PM
As to your second point, yer nuts if you don't think the NCAA is going to care about any coach (assistant or not) giving a recruit something that is valued a few thousand dollars.
Normally I would agree. But when it's to pay for college prep classes so that the signee in question will actually qualify to get admitted into the school in question - that's a hard one to sell to Middle America as a bad thing.
I have a feeling this is a case that will quietly go away.
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 08:36 PM
Normally I would agree. But when it's to pay for college prep classes so that the signee in question will actually qualify to get admitted into the school in question - that's a hard one to sell to Middle America as a bad thing.
Huh? That somebody would do that for somebody too f'n dumb to get into college in the first place simply so they could play football is pretty much the height of what's wrong with college athletics today.
That's a very easy sell as "wrong" to middle america, especially since nobody was paying for their kids to get the same sort of "favor".
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 09:44 PM
So now James Franklin says players commit to coaches, not schools but it was less than two years ago that he stood outside the Vandy Student Life Center and said players who decommitted from his program were not "men of honor" and "men of integrity." (even as he had a QB that left UNC to come to Nashville)
This guy might actually be the single most classless no account individual amongst all head coaches. And right up there as the most narcissistic.
MrBug708
01-16-2014, 10:09 PM
Who wants to be USC's dl coach? It's going to cost them 1.5 million for Eddie O at this rate
CU Tiger
01-16-2014, 10:36 PM
So now James Franklin says players commit to coaches, not schools but it was less than two years ago that he stood outside the Vandy Student Life Center and said players who decommitted from his program were not "men of honor" and "men of integrity." (even as he had a QB that left UNC to come to Nashville)
This guy might actually be the single most classless no account individual amongst all head coaches. And right up there as the most narcissistic.
Gotta admit, I laughed my ass off at this as well.
JonInMiddleGA
01-16-2014, 10:44 PM
Gotta admit, I laughed my ass off at this as well.
I loved one particular bit of snark I saw earlier ... speculating how long it would be before the local paper in Nashvegas has an expose detailing some of his emails with a few of his more "suspect" players.
If this guy ain't as dirty as they come, I'd be downright shocked.
MrBug708
01-17-2014, 12:04 AM
Who wants to be USC's dl coach? It's going to cost them 1.5 million for Eddie O at this rate
Looks like Wilson will come afterall
Logan
01-17-2014, 07:24 AM
So now James Franklin says players commit to coaches, not schools but it was less than two years ago that he stood outside the Vandy Student Life Center and said players who decommitted from his program were not "men of honor" and "men of integrity." (even as he had a QB that left UNC to come to Nashville)
This guy might actually be the single most classless no account individual amongst all head coaches. And right up there as the most narcissistic.
I think his even dumber move was, after the recruiting poaching he's done and not really having many friends left there with how this went down, taking out an ad thanking the community but having an enormous picture of himself smiling taking up half the ad.
Eaglesfan27
01-17-2014, 10:32 AM
Reports out there that Mason is leaving Stanford to become Vanderbilt's next head coach.
Logan
01-17-2014, 11:28 AM
And Oregon fans rejoice.
tarcone
01-17-2014, 12:01 PM
So Franklin sounds like the perfect guy for PsU.
BishopMVP
01-17-2014, 01:04 PM
I loved one particular bit of snark I saw earlier ... speculating how long it would be before the local paper in Nashvegas has an expose detailing some of his emails with a few of his more "suspect" players.
If this guy ain't as dirty as they come, I'd be downright shocked.Wasn't that known even when he was at Maryland? Or am I confusing him with Mike Locksley?
RedKingGold
01-17-2014, 02:06 PM
So Franklin sounds like the perfect guy for PsU.
Better PSU than a cornfucker in Iowa.
lungs
01-17-2014, 03:13 PM
Better PSU than a cornfucker in Iowa.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsMJrLZ3m1WYHMM3VdLKnIASyVTQx2_3W-SdRDGA5Xyn9xYi26jQ
Logan
01-17-2014, 06:37 PM
Did RKG get banned for that post?
tarcone
01-17-2014, 06:50 PM
I LOL'ed RKG. Thanks.
And the follow up by lungs made it even better.
This thread is gold.
MrBug708
01-17-2014, 08:44 PM
Some just threw up all over this thread
digamma
01-18-2014, 12:22 PM
Dabo Swinney 8 year extension (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2014/01/18/dabo-swinney-clemson-eight-year-contract/4634949/).
Check out the buy outs in the contract. As I call it (and admittedly this joke has an audience of maybe 2), D-Rad gonna D-Rad.
Did RKG get banned for that post?
Looks that way.
CU Tiger
01-18-2014, 10:16 PM
Dabo Swinney 8 year extension (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2014/01/18/dabo-swinney-clemson-eight-year-contract/4634949/).
Check out the buy outs in the contract. As I call it (and admittedly this joke has an audience of maybe 2), D-Rad gonna D-Rad.
Yeah...Man...I'm a supporter of Dabo and love his enthusiasm...but...Damn...D-Rad gonna D-Rad
MrBug708
01-18-2014, 10:52 PM
UCLA loses its DC to the Titans
JonInMiddleGA
01-19-2014, 01:27 PM
As I call it (and admittedly this joke has an audience of maybe 2), D-Rad gonna D-Rad.
1 of that audience checking in ... and :lol:
CU Tiger
01-19-2014, 02:00 PM
Jon what was your opinion of his overall tenure in Atlanta?
He has done some good things quickly at Clemson, and is pushing some of our facilities initiatives quickly through the pipeline..but he has also introduced debt to a booster program that has always bank rolled facilities projects...and then...this.
JonInMiddleGA
01-19-2014, 04:56 PM
Jon what was your opinion of his overall tenure in Atlanta?
More of a money guy (He sure likes to spend it, is at least okay at finding it) than a people guy or good judgment guy.
I guess the best thing I can say about him from my point of view is that he will make a hard decision (Hewitt) but only if he sees it hurting his cash flow.
digamma
01-21-2014, 09:34 AM
To add to that, he does a lot of the little things right. He'll help facilities for your Olympic sports for example.
The biggest criticism at GT was that he pretty much single-handedly botched the NCAA investigation and turned what would have maybe, maybe been a slap on the wrist into a probation with games "lost" situation.
Logan
01-22-2014, 11:29 AM
Did RKG get banned for that post?
Mod comment, please?
Lathum
01-22-2014, 11:39 AM
Mod comment, please?
Has there ever been less fanfare over a boxing/ banning ?
molson
01-22-2014, 11:42 AM
Has there ever been less fanfare over a boxing/ banning ?
RKG is usually the center of that fanfare, so someone else just needs to step up.
cartman
01-22-2014, 12:14 PM
Manny Diaz has now surfaced as the DC for Louisiana Tech.
Logan
01-22-2014, 01:58 PM
RKG is usually the center of that fanfare, so someone else just needs to step up.
Are there other Villanova fans on the board?
dawgfan
01-30-2014, 01:53 PM
Word has been going around that Tosh Lupoi has been cleared by the NCAA, which is also good news for Sark:
http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/2014/01/30/usc-morning-buzz-tosh-lupoi-cleared-potentially-good-for-steve-sarkisian/
And as it so happens, Cal still has a spot open on their staff.
MrBug708
01-30-2014, 02:27 PM
So does ucla
dawgfan
01-30-2014, 02:39 PM
So does ucla
So Mora's masterplan worked then?
;)
MrBug708
01-30-2014, 02:47 PM
Tosh was supposed to bring down Mora lol
dawgfan
01-30-2014, 03:30 PM
Tosh was supposed to bring down Mora lol
The conspiracy theory is that Mora somehow leaked this to the LA Times to keep Tosh from following Sark (and to make him too toxic for Petersen to keep).
The word I've heard though is that the leaker was another track coach at Basham's high school (not the one quoted in the article).
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