Why would they stop doing it when it seems to work for them?

I think you are right, it seems to work for some people in their jobs and it seems to work for the Jets. I just find people that I work with that are like that to be very insufferable. Seems like you lose a little integrity when you manufacture a sense of disrespect that isn't really there.

I think you are right, it seems to work for some people in their jobs and it seems to work for the Jets. I just find people that I work with that are like that to be very insufferable. Seems like you lose a little integrity when you manufacture a sense of disrespect that isn't really there.

I will be honest. I did not respect the Jets prior to this game. Especially after they go their doors blown off last time. They have gained my respect today.

At the risk of souding silly: why did the Jets take the touchdown and give the Patriots the ball back?
Right after the score I was thinking of Brian Westbrook. Isn't it a much better option to maintain the 7-point lead, hold on to the ball and, with 2 Patiriots time outsleft, a worst case scenario of kicking a field goal as time expires? Now, the Patriots got the ball back and got a long shot opportunity at tying it.

At the risk of souding silly: why did the Jets take the touchdown and give the Patriots the ball back?
Right after the score I was thinking of Brian Westbrook. Isn't it a much better option to maintain the 7-point lead, hold on to the ball and, with 2 Patiriots time outsleft, a worst case scenario of kicking a field goal as time expires? Now, the Patriots got the ball back and got a long shot opportunity at tying it.

Heh, I was going to make a Westbrook comment.

At the risk of souding silly: why did the Jets take the touchdown and give the Patriots the ball back?
Right after the score I was thinking of Brian Westbrook. Isn't it a much better option to maintain the 7-point lead, hold on to the ball and, with 2 Patiriots time outsleft, a worst case scenario of kicking a field goal as time expires? Now, the Patriots got the ball back and got a long shot opportunity at tying it.

Sure it makes sense. But no way were either of these teams going to not take free points when playing each other.

Buddy of mine made a point...Chicago is now one game from the super bowl. However, they are an overuled Calvin Johnson TD away from having never mae the playoffs in the first place.

I saw that CBS put up a stat that the Jets are the first team to beat the Patriots and Colts in back to back weeks (since 2001).... My question would be: How many teams have played the Pats and Colts in back to back weeks? I can't imagine that it is more than one or two.

Getting my running shoes ready to catch the bandwagon

I root for Packers-Steelers Super Bowl - the two classic franchises going head to head for the whole bag of marbles.

Chicago and New York have never met in an NFL, NBA or NHL final. Only baseball, apparently. Three times, the last in 1938. I guess it couldn't happened in basketball these days because they're in the same conference.

I root for Packers-Steelers Super Bowl - the two classic franchises going head to head for the whole bag of marbles.

Pretty much what I'm going for to, but I don't really care that much. I'll only be maybe 5% more excited for a Packers-Steelers SB than I would be for a Jets-Bears SB.

IOW, I think my excited for this Super Bowl (whoever makes it) may be the lowest since Denver-Atlanta. And that was the only Super Bowl since Super Bowl 21 that I've missed.

Chicago and New York have never met in an NFL, NBA or NHL final. Only baseball, apparently. Three times, the last in 1938. I guess it couldn't happened in basketball these days because they're in the same conference.

Try 1963.

I root for Packers-Steelers Super Bowl - the two classic franchises going head to head for the whole bag of marbles.

This was Peter King's preseason pick. Not many thought it made sense in August.

Try 1963.
Pre-Superbowl NFL title games don't count :)

edit: 1956 and 1941 as well.

I'll root for the Jets next week. Ryan showed tons of respect for Indy (just think...they could have won that stupid game) and they hate New England. That equals okay in my book.

Jets-Packers Super Bowl would be very interesting. Rex sound bites for 2 weeks and all the Packer hype as well.

I'll root for the Jets next week. Ryan showed tons of respect for Indy (just think...they could have won that stupid game) and they hate New England. That equals okay in my book.

Jets-Packers Super Bowl would be very interesting. Rex sound bites for 2 weeks and all the Packer hype as well.

Not to mention a rematch of the last time around when it ended 9-0.

Getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I am just imagining a Jets/Packers Superbowl. That would mean the Jets got Manning, Brady, Roethisberger, and Rodgers in the same playoff. 4 of the top maybe 6 qbs in the league.

Congrats Jets. You earned it, forcing the Patriots into some uncharacteristic mistakes and taking advantage of your opportunities.

Try 1963.

Pre-Superbowl NFL title games don't count :)

edit: 1956 and 1941 as well.

I was referring to Super Bowls, but point well taken I guess. :cool:

"We're only going to score 21 points?" Brady said before chuckling about it.

This was Peter King's preseason pick. Not many thought it made sense in August.

I don't know if I want to live in a world where Peter King is right about something.

The Giants and Patriots, combined, have not won a playoff game since their Suberbowl meeting.

Buddy of mine made a point...Chicago is now one game from the super bowl. However, they are an overuled Calvin Johnson TD away from having never mae the playoffs in the first place.
The Lions game criticism is overdone considering a bad call on a TD by Cutler cost them the Washington game.

I don't know why people hate the Jets. They do talk a bit, but so do a lot of NFL teams. I think the media has just overplayed the story. I think it's kind of fun to have teams who actually dislike one another playing. This game was amped up to even higher levels because of the talk leading up to it. I think that's fun.

And speaking of the Jets, I think they lose next week. I think they put everything into this game and next week can be nothing but a letdown.

The Lions game criticism is overdone considering a bad call on a TD by Cutler cost them the Washington game.

And there's the 2nd game where a questionable call for roughing the passer against Suh.

And there's the 2nd game where a questionable call for roughing the passer against Suh.
That one call didn't decide the game though. They were in at least field goal range and still could have gotten a TD without it. The league also said it was the correct call, just as it did with the Calvin Johnson catch. Is your argument that you don't like the NFL rules? I agree that some of those are silly, but those are still the rules.

It's also silly to cherry pick plays/calls that could have changed a season. I can do that for every team. A pass interference call here or there, a good spot, etc. If you want to rag on the Bears for being lucky, go after the fact they've been relatively injury free this year and had some nice breaks in terms of injuries to their opponents.

I don't know why people hate the Jets. They do talk a bit, but so do a lot of NFL teams. I think the media has just overplayed the story. I think it's kind of fun to have teams who actually dislike one another playing. This game was amped up to even higher levels because of the talk leading up to it. I think that's fun.

And speaking of the Jets, I think they lose next week. I think they put everything into this game and next week can be nothing but a letdown.

People hate the Jets for the same reason people hate the Heat. Players on the team talking a whole lot of shit even though they have not actually won anything. Think about this. Since the AFL-NFL merger, the Jets have never won the AFC. They have won the AFC East twice. I love a trash talking team as much as the next guy but damn you have to win a bit more than that.

That being said, they put their necks out there this week and then back it up. Good on them.


I still hate those fuckers though

Why is Branch smack-talking the Jets bench there?

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Patriots receiver Deion Branch was asked following the game if he was embarrassed by the loss. His answer: "I'm not embarrassed, I'm just frustrated. The embarrassing part came from a few classless guys [on the Jets] after the game. There were a lot of classless things that went on after the game ended.''

When asked what he was referring to, Branch answered, "Didn't you see it? You've got to go back and watch it. Pretty classless stuff.''

Some of New England's players left the field when time ran out rather than shake hands with the Jets players. When asked if he was one of them Branch said, "I'm a champion. I'm always going to congratulate guys. They beat us today. The ones with class, I shook their hands. And the ones that didn't, I didn't [shake their hands]. You can tell they're not used to being in this position.''

Does that mean the Patriots who did not shake hands are not champions?

Fuck it. Oh well, I thought we were primed to do it this year (we being the Patriots)

Still was a much better year then could be expected

I don't know why people hate the Jets. They do talk a bit, but so do a lot of NFL teams. I think the media has just overplayed the story. I think it's kind of fun to have teams who actually dislike one another playing. This game was amped up to even higher levels because of the talk leading up to it. I think that's fun.

And speaking of the Jets, I think they lose next week. I think they put everything into this game and next week can be nothing but a letdown.

It's not the players talking that bothers people. It's the fact their coach is a classless blowhard.

People hate the Jets for the same reason people hate the Heat. Players on the team talking a whole lot of shit even though they have not actually won anything. Think about this. Since the AFL-NFL merger, the Jets have never won the AFC. They have won the AFC East twice. I love a trash talking team as much as the next guy but damn you have to win a bit more than that.

That being said, they put their necks out there this week and then back it up. Good on them.


I still hate those fuckers though

Whoa whoa whoa, don't compare the fucking Heat to the Jets. I hate the Heat, I don't hate the Jets (they're entertaining).The Heat are what's wrong with some of the current athletes. Challenge yourselves, strive to be champs, put in crazy effort... we want this from athletes. Not the shit the "big three" of the Heat are.

Whoa whoa whoa, don't compare the fucking Heat to the Jets. I hate the Heat, I don't hate the Jets (they're entertaining).The Heat are what's wrong with some of the current athletes. Challenge yourselves, strive to be champs, put in crazy effort... we want this from athletes. Not the shit the "big three" of the Heat are.

Deep breaths, deep breaths

Deep breaths, deep breaths

:D

I was referring to Super Bowls, but point well taken I guess. :cool:

So who won the 1938 Super Bowl. I can't find anything online.

People hate the Jets for the same reason people hate the Heat. Players on the team talking a whole lot of shit even though they have not actually won anything. Think about this. Since the AFL-NFL merger, the Jets have never won the AFC. They have won the AFC East twice. I love a trash talking team as much as the next guy but damn you have to win a bit more than that.


The Heat didn't really talk a ton of shit. And that's not why people disliked them. I think it had way more to do with the classless way Lebron left, the charade they built around free agency, and the fact they all took the easy way out of things and didn't choose to be competitors.

The Heat didn't really talk a ton of shit. And that's not why people disliked them. I think it had way more to do with the classless way Lebron left, the charade they built around free agency, and the fact they all took the easy way out of things and didn't choose to be competitors.

You must have missed the celebration the day after they signed. It is okay. I can take the hate!:D

Buddy of mine made a point...Chicago is now one game from the super bowl. However, they are an overuled Calvin Johnson TD away from having never mae the playoffs in the first place.

Green Bay is one game from the super bowl. However, they are one incomplete pass ruled a catch from having never mae the playoffs in the first place.



Go Bears.

So who won the 1938 Super Bowl. I can't find anything online.

World Series. I was talking about World Series.

Still exponentially more likable than the Steelers.

no

Nothing sucks like the 14-2 or 13-3 season going up in smoke in the divisional round. The great regular season is just forgotten in history. (I believe the San Diego Chargers are the all-time NFL leader in those). Oh well.

It's still my #1 football coaching pet peeve - teams who rely on the onside kick and don't REALLY HURRY to try to avoid it. Or even quick kick a FG when you get in range and you're down 10. Anything to give your defense a chance at a 3-and-out (against a conservative offense), and avoid that onside kick. Because when you get to the onside kick part of the game, your chances of winning are almost zero.

Not sure if the Pats problems in their last 3 playoff games is some kind of meaningful trend. It's definitely fair to ask.

I'll be rooting for the Jets here on out. I love Rex Ryan. I'm not supposed to, but I can't help it. Great, entertaining coach who makes football more fun.

DT is on suicide watch and we aren't here to talk him down, I fear the worst.

He's on record as giving up on the season after the Moss trade, so he probably wasn't watching.

Steelers -3 1/2
Green Bay -3

Packers have lot of believers now, I guess.

Steelers -3 1/2
Green Bay -3

Packers have lot of believers now, I guess.

Obliterating the #1 seed on the road will do that.

I only hope the Steelers don't win. I actually enjoy most of the Steelers, but the fact that they have 6 rings already...I don't want them to get any further ahead of my 49ers than they already are. :)

I hate the bears. I have no good reason. Thus I shall be rooting for the Jets, Packers, Steelers, Bears in that order to win it all. Hmm but Mark Sanchez seems like such a douche bag. This postseason sucks. I wish the Seahawks woulda won it all.

Pats were outplayed and outcoached. Great game for the Jets. And though I can't stand the divisional rival, I can't help but kind of be pulling for Ryan from here on out. Why can't he coach another team?

He's on record as giving up on the season after the Moss trade, so he probably wasn't watching.

I thought he was back once it was known Gronkowski is the greatest rookie TE ever... orat least until Hernandez makes catch.

i'm indifferent towards the jets but from a business standpoint you have to be impressed. team peaks just as new stadium is built and they've far surpassed the giants in media attention.

I only hope the Steelers don't win. I actually enjoy most of the Steelers, but the fact that they have 6 rings already...I don't want them to get any further ahead of my 49ers than they already are. :)

It doesn't matter because you'll be stuck at 5 for the next few decades anyways.

I saw that CBS put up a stat that the Jets are the first team to beat the Patriots and Colts in back to back weeks (since 2001).... My question would be: How many teams have played the Pats and Colts in back to back weeks? I can't imagine that it is more than one or two.

NFLNet just had this too, looks like its actually 2002, Titans weeks 14 and 15.

AFC South and East teams would have the most favorable schedules to have the chance.

I only hope the Steelers don't win. I actually enjoy most of the Steelers, but the fact that they have 6 rings already...I don't want them to get any further ahead of my 49ers than they already are. :)

I'd be more worried about the Lions catching up with you. :D

Go Steelers! Go Pack!

Just seeing this now, and didn't see it mentioned in the thread:

Jay Glazer from Fox with a story about Patriots also using the sideline wall on punt returns.

Including an embed that never, ever, EVER works for me and a separate link.

All Sports Video - All Sports - FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=51c3fe0a-c811-4bcd-af34-3ede438891ae&from=foxsports_en-us_videocentral)


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Green Bay is one game from the super bowl. However, they are one incomplete pass ruled a catch from having never mae the playoffs in the first place.
But the pass was obviously incomplete. His feet were out of bounds. That makes as much sense as Packer fans saying they were one "hit upright" in the Washington game from making the playoffs had they lost the Giants game.

There's a difference between getting jobbed by the refs in the last play (Calvin Johnson TD) and having the opponent just not be good enough to make the play to win.

But the pass was obviously incomplete. His feet were out of bounds.

Yes, but Green Bay was still awarded a touchdown.

Even though the Seahawks got crushed yesterday, and had their draft position fall from 8 to 25, I would hope none of them would trade that for the world.

Yes, but Green Bay was still awarded a touchdown.
There's a difference between a 2nd Quarter TD that was questionable and one that happens in the last play of the game. Had GB not scored a TD on that drive (14 min left in the 2nd), there's little reason to think they wouldn't have scored enough points to beat a poor Vikings team at home in the next 2+ quarters.

I just don't see the comparisons here. There is a tangible play at the end of a game that would have swayed the outcome. And, that play wasn't called properly by the refs. That's different than a non-challenged play in the 2nd quarter.

I just don't see the comparisons here. There is a tangible play at the end of a game that would have swayed the outcome. And, that play wasn't called properly by the refs. That's different than a non-challenged play in the 2nd quarter.
:rant: :rant: :banghead: :banghead: :rant: :rant:

There's a difference between getting jobbed by the refs in the last play (Calvin Johnson TD) and having the opponent just not be good enough to make the play to win.
I don't understand how they were jobbed. Just about everyone has said that was the proper call, it's just the rule is retarded. I agree that the rule is silly in how it is written, but the call on the field was correct.

Apparently, Jay Cutler is the first QB taken from the 2006 NFL Draft to win a playoff game.

Apparently, Jay Cutler is the first QB taken from the 2006 NFL Draft to win a playoff game.

Which isn't saying much when your competition is Vince Young & Matt Leinart. (and if you wanna go down a ways, Tavaris Jackson and the immortal Bruce Gradkowski).

Apparently, Jay Cutler is the first QB taken from the 2006 NFL Draft to win a playoff game.
somewhere in the lowcountry, skydog is shocked that it wasn't dj shockley

Which isn't saying much when your competition is Vince Young & Matt Leinart. (and if you wanna go down a ways, Tavaris Jackson and the immortal Bruce Gradkowski).

I think QB wins in the playoffs are WAY overrated. Along with QB losses.

I think you are right, it seems to work for some people in their jobs and it seems to work for the Jets. I just find people that I work with that are like that to be very insufferable. Seems like you lose a little integrity when you manufacture a sense of disrespect that isn't really there.

This is funny, because for years the Patriots have complained about being disrespected.

I think QB wins in the playoffs are WAY overrated. Along with QB losses.

Ping Trent Dilfer!

It's not the players talking that bothers people. It's the fact their coach is a classless blowhard.

Again, Belichick is known for being classy?

This is funny, because for years the Patriots have complained about being disrespected.

By years you mean 2001 and 2003.

I swear people make up reasons for hating the Pats.

Pretty much EVERY year, the Pats complain about being disrespected.

Do you mean a single comment by Harrison every other year? Maybe, but that's Harrison. They haven't used that collectivley since their 2nd SB run. But if it helps you hate, be my guest. No skin off my back.

As for Belichick being "classy". Of course he's not. But he's also not a loudmouth blowhard douchebag. He's nothing. Guy barely talks. There is no comparison.

Pretty much EVERY year, the Pats complain about being disrespected.

Every team does. It's called good coaching. Do you really think Rex Ryan thinks everything is personal, or that the last game was him v. Bellichick? Everything is calculated towards the goal of winning, and coaches will tap into anything they can. "Respect" has proven to be a very strong motivator for the modern professional athlete. And for whatever reason that escapes me, this is also a concept that really pisses off certain fans.

Again, Belichick is known for being classy?

I don't know, have you ever heard one of the guy's press conferences? When he loses, he just says that he sucked, the team sucked, and that the other team out-coached and out-played them. And after he wins, the tone is maybe .005% more positive. He's a football historian and seems to really respect the game and everyone around it. I think he's just insanely socially awkward.

The media hates him because he won't give a quote or or any info, and I think has bled into public sentiment about him. (Someone could mention spygate, but Bellichick was disliked long before that, and I really don't think that one thing makes up 100% of the negative feelings about him).

You wouldn't hire the guy to be the MC at a charity event, but I think the super-villain stuff is more than a little overblown.

So with the Patriots, it's good coaching when they complain for a decade about disrespect, but with the Jets for one season, it's annoying?

If nothing else, the Jets and Ryan are entertaining. I'm rooting against them, but if they win, it'd be nice to see LT and Jason Taylor get rings.

So with the Patriots, it's good coaching when they complain for a decade about disrespect, but with the Jets for one season, it's annoying?



If you combine points from different people to try to look smart, then yes. I don't have any problem with Rex Ryan though (nor do I have murderous rage when a player talks about "respect", as many posters at FOFC seem to), as I said, I'm a fan, and I'm rooting for the Jets the rest of the way.

Spygate definitely inflated my level of dislike for Belichick. They do have fewer players that I despise now that Harrison is gone.

Anyhow, I don't really want to get into a long anti-Patriots rant here. I just thought it was interesting to hear people complain about the Jets playing the disrespect card, when it has been a pretty steady theme out of New England for much of the last decade.

If you combine points from different people to try to look smart, then yes.

Sorry, maybe things got crossed. My original reply was to rowech, and then other guys jumped in on other points, so I addressed those too. Certainly not in an attempt to look smart. More laziness. ;)

Basically, living in Patriots country with a die-hard but fairly uninformed homer for a father-in-law, I've been exposed to a lot of "we're disrespected" stuff, so I felt I needed to respond to someone complaining about that with the Jets.

Here's who I'd prefer to win out of the remaining teams:

1. Packers
2. Steelers
3. Bears
4. Jets

I don't have a problem with the Jets playing the disrespect card. I have a problem with them being scummy douche bag mega-assholes. I don't even think they play the disrespect card that much, then again I work real hard to avoid reading about them.

Just seeing this now, and didn't see it mentioned in the thread:

Jay Glazer from Fox with a story about Patriots also using the sideline wall on punt returns.

Including an embed that never, ever, EVER works for me and a separate link.

All Sports Video - All Sports - FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=51c3fe0a-c811-4bcd-af34-3ede438891ae&from=foxsports_en-us_videocentral)


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Oh noes, the Jets are drrrttty. I wonder if part of their fine will be revoked since it was increased for them saying other teams did it (and now there is visual proof of 2-3 other teams, including a tougher hit than the trip Alosi put on).

I don't think it matters whether they were correct or not, they broke a rule by reporting it publicly instead of to the NFL.

I don't think anyone ever doubted other teams use it. At least I didn't, while I would hope they do not trip, the wall is the exact type of thing I would expect the Pats to do. Read an article recently that said looking for the edge is Belichick's white whale. Don't much disagree with that.

I don't have a problem with the Jets playing the disrespect card. I have a problem with them being scummy douche bag mega-assholes. I don't even think they play the disrespect card that much, then again I work real hard to avoid reading about them.

The Jets certainly have more than their fair share of assholes. Especially at WR.

Sorry, maybe things got crossed. My original reply was to rowech, and then other guys jumped in on other points, so I addressed those too. Certainly not in an attempt to look smart. More laziness. ;)

Basically, living in Patriots country with a die-hard but fairly uninformed homer for a father-in-law, I've been exposed to a lot of "we're disrespected" stuff, so I felt I needed to respond to someone complaining about that with the Jets.

Here's who I'd prefer to win out of the remaining teams:

1. Packers
2. Steelers
3. Bears
4. Jets

Fair enough, and my smartness comment was a little unnecessary.

I don't know what team you root for, but if you're team had a coach that brought it an unpresented decade of success (especially if you team has been historically terrible), I think you'd find it's remarkably easy to look past socially awkard press conferences, video shenanigans, looking for edges anywhere he can find them, and a general lack of cuddliness.

I understand the motivation for players but the idea of fans needing/desiring respect is kind of funny. I mean, it's fun to hear media types speak well of your team (especially if you root for a smaller college or something), but I don't think any fan should get too emotionally vested in what Boomer Esiason says about his favorite team. But it's true - go to the comments section of any negative sports article and there's a part of any fanbase that gets livid. It just seems unhealthy.

If Boomer Esiason ever talks shit about the Pittsburgh Power, I'll kill him.

People dislike the Pats because they are winners. They can make up all of these excuses on why they dislike them but if they were losing no one would give a crap about Belli's press conferences and would have long forgotten about "spy-gate." Its human nature to cheer the underdog which is not what the pats have been since Tom Brady took over as the starting QB.

If I were a Pats fan I would not be aggitated by the "Pats hate" because it means people think your team is a winning team.

If Boomer Esiason ever talks shit about the Pittsburgh Power, I'll kill him.

What the hell is Pittsburgh Power? A pee wee hockey team?

What the hell is Pittsburgh Power? A pee wee hockey team?

C'mon man, not on Pumpy Day....

guess i'm done here

I keep getting banner ads for the Pittsburgh Power on here.

People dislike the Pats because they are winners. They can make up all of these excuses on why they dislike them but if they were losing no one would give a crap about Belli's press conferences and would have long forgotten about "spy-gate." Its human nature to cheer the underdog which is not what the pats have been since Tom Brady took over as the starting QB.

If I were a Pats fan I would not be aggitated by the "Pats hate" because it means people think your team is a winning team.

They are? All those Pats haters must be making up Brady's 0-3 record in his last 3 playoff games...

I think this headline says it all...

They are? All those Pats haters must be making up Brady's 0-3 record in his last 3 playoff games...

If that makes the Pats a losing franchise than you win.

I guess I would consider their 4 super bowl births and nearly 70 percent winning percentage over the past 10 years a clear sign that they are winners.

Is there anything this Patriots team can't do? Delivering while playing in the Super Bowl, that's pretty impressive. I bet Tom Brady can induce labor with a glance and a shake of his hair.

Is there anything this Patriots team can't do? Delivering while playing in the Super Bowl, that's pretty impressive. I bet Tom Brady can induce labor with a glance and a shake of his hair.

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Almost 4 minutes of Brady pics and no goat? Awful.

Has our culture changed? I don't remember ever seeing so many comments about teams what teams they like and what teams they don't like, and how their performance matters to them.