The staff was unhappy with his attitude and work ethic before conference play even started and it was the worst kept secret in Columbia. We had literally no inside depth at the end of the year due to injuries, but Stone never left the bench because his attitude sucked. It was a clear demonstration to the rest of the players by Anderson that kind of attitude wouldn't fly if you wanted to see the floor. In addition, Paul had mentioned to the staff long before the end of the season that he may consider transferring. Just because the transfers aren't announced before the end of the season doesn't mean that they didn't decide until then. The dominoes were in place long before that point. It's accurate whether you choose to believe it or not.

Are you suggesting Underwood has attitude issues as well? He's a young big who didn't get minutes, but kept his scholarship. I'm sorry, but you're the only person I've seen ever mention Stone's supposed attitude issues. If he did have an attitude issue then Anderson should have cut ties with him well before the end of the season. Instead he waited until he needed a scholarship to give. Again, the simple fact is Anderson recruited over the guy. There's nothing wrong with that and as I've said many times before it's no different than many other D1 coaches.

The thing I find funny is that you commend Anderson for not throwing Stone under the bus, but you're quick to throw Stone under it. So in order to make Anderson look good you make yourself look bad. Way to take one for the team, lol.

Are you suggesting Underwood has attitude issues as well? He's a young big who didn't get minutes, but kept his scholarship. I'm sorry, but you're the only person I've seen ever mention Stone's supposed attitude issues. If he did have an attitude issue then Anderson should have cut ties with him well before the end of the season. Instead he waited until he needed a scholarship to give. Again, the simple fact is Anderson recruited over the guy. There's nothing wrong with that and as I've said many times before it's no different than many other D1 coaches.

The thing I find funny is that you commend Anderson for not throwing Stone under the bus, but you're quick to throw Stone under it. So in order to make Anderson look good you make yourself look bad. Way to take one for the team, lol.

1. Stone is a better basketball player than Underwood. It's a relative comment because I'm not sure either is good enough. But this wasn't talent based.

2. I can throw anyone under the bus because I'm not a coach. I don't have to say the PC thing. My comments have no relevance to Anderson's actions. The guy didn't pull his weight and was asked to move on. This shouldn't be all that shocking to college basketball fans. I'm sure you're equally as outraged that an underclassman was asked to transfer from SEMO to make room for Tyler Stone. C'mon, this isn't rocket science. This is the NCAA whether you like how it works or not. Nothing is guaranteed in an academic or athletic scholarship. You have to earn it to keep it each and every year.

1. Stone is a better basketball player than Underwood. It's a relative comment because I'm not sure either is good enough. But this wasn't talent based.

2. I can throw anyone under the bus because I'm not a coach. I don't have to say the PC thing. My comments have no relevance to Anderson's actions. The guy didn't pull his weight and was asked to move on. This shouldn't be all that shocking to college basketball fans. I'm sure you're equally as outraged that an underclassman was asked to transfer from SEMO to make room for Tyler Stone. C'mon, this isn't rocket science. This is the NCAA whether you like how it works or not. Nothing is guaranteed in an academic or athletic scholarship. You have to earn it to keep it each and every year.

Stone is transferring to Southeast Missouri State (3-15 in the Ohio Valley Conference). He couldn't have been that good.

So long as you're not the coach you don't have to show any class whatsoever? Just because you're not the guy's coach doesn't mean you should be a complete tool. Again, you're pretty much starting a rumo

No, I'm not outraged by the player getting his scholarship pulled. I think I made that pretty clear in my original post that this is par for the course in college basketball. I'm just wondering why it took you three posts to finally agree that Stone's scholarship was pulled because he over-recruited which is exactly what I said in my first post? So why did it take you so long to accept it?

Remember, when you originally posted regarding Stone you said it was a mutual decision. Just a reminder how shaky your sources are. Per Stone's mother, it was not a mutual decision. I'm sorry, but I'll believe that source before I believe your not so accurate sources.

I confess I'm not a close follower of Big-12 basketball, so this article caught me by surprise:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/13437930/death-penalty-for-oklahoma-hoops-thats-the-hypothesis-here?tag=headlines;collegebasketball

I would think basketball would be an easier sport in which to impose a "death penalty" - I think it's easier to build back up a basketball program than a football program.

I confess I'm not a close follower of Big-12 basketball, so this article caught me by surprise:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/13437930/death-penalty-for-oklahoma-hoops-thats-the-hypothesis-here?tag=headlines;collegebasketball

I would think basketball would be an easier sport in which to impose a "death penalty" - I think it's easier to build back up a basketball program than a football program.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. I'm surprised Capel hasn't run for greener pastures already.

Remember, when you originally posted regarding Stone you said it was a mutual decision. Just a reminder how shaky your sources are. Per Stone's mother, it was not a mutual decision. I'm sorry, but I'll believe that source before I believe your not so accurate sources.

They're very accurate. There's a lot that mom isn't revealing in her rants, but that's not surprising.

Stone is transferring to Southeast Missouri State (3-15 in the Ohio Valley Conference). He couldn't have been that good.

So long as you're not the coach you don't have to show any class whatsoever? Just because you're not the guy's coach doesn't mean you should be a complete tool. Again, you're pretty much starting a rumo

No, I'm not outraged by the player getting his scholarship pulled. I think I made that pretty clear in my original post that this is par for the course in college basketball. I'm just wondering why it took you three posts to finally agree that Stone's scholarship was pulled because he over-recruited which is exactly what I said in my first post? So why did it take you so long to accept it?

Remember, when you originally posted regarding Stone you said it was a mutual decision. Just a reminder how shaky your sources are. Per Stone's mother, it was not a mutual decision. I'm sorry, but I'll believe that source before I believe your not so accurate sources.
To be totally fair, an angry mother might not be the best source either. Ill bet a lot of money the answer is somewhere in the middle, likely along the lines of you can stay but i dont see you playing at all, so its probably in your best interest to transfer...while its still a large hint, i bet that it was more likely something along those lines(especially since the other transfer, miguel paul, openly said coaches asked him to stay but he chose to leave for playing time)

In the worst kept secret in college basketball, the Wear twins have now officially transferred to UCLA from UNC. Eligible in 2011-12.

In the worst kept secret in college basketball, the Wear twins have now officially transferred to UCLA from UNC. Eligible in 2011-12.

I wish them well, but I'm also very happy that I don't have to watch 6'10" guys who don't know how to play in the paint on my team anymore. Maybe they'll bulk up, maybe they'll learn, but the odds of me throwing things at my TV and breaking it go down noticeably with this move. :D

I wish them well, but I'm also very happy that I don't have to watch 6'10" guys who don't know how to play in the paint on my team anymore. Maybe they'll bulk up, maybe they'll learn, but the odds of me throwing things at my TV and breaking it go down noticeably with this move. :D

There you go then. Works it for both of us. UCLA has enough guys who know how to play in the paint. We need guys who know what to do with the ball outside of the paint. ;)

To be totally fair, an angry mother might not be the best source either. Ill bet a lot of money the answer is somewhere in the middle, likely along the lines of you can stay but i dont see you playing at all, so its probably in your best interest to transfer...while its still a large hint, i bet that it was more likely something along those lines(especially since the other transfer, miguel paul, openly said coaches asked him to stay but he chose to leave for playing time)

But you have to admit, that an anonymous source from the internet is the lesser of two sources right? And let's be honest, Stone's mother wouldn't be angry if her son chose to transfer. She may feel that her son wasn't used correctly or given enough playing time, but she didn't speak out until after he was pushed out.

As for Stone, no matter what way you slice it he was pushed out. I think we can all agree with that (except for MBBF's first few posts). And as I stated before all this it's not that big a deal, IMO. Mike Anderson didn't do anything that other D1 coaches haven't done. The only reason I even posted it on here was to show MBBF that his sources were once again wrong. Not a big surprise there. It's also funny to see MBBF attempt to defend Anderson in this thread when nobody in this thread is pointing the finger of blame at Anderson. Talk about being defensive.

I confess I'm not a close follower of Big-12 basketball, so this article caught me by surprise:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/13437930/death-penalty-for-oklahoma-hoops-thats-the-hypothesis-here?tag=headlines;collegebasketball

I would think basketball would be an easier sport in which to impose a "death penalty" - I think it's easier to build back up a basketball program than a football program.

That's an awful article. The guy is asking for the death penalty, but agrees that right now there isn't enough evidence yet to support the recent allegations. I'm guessing it was a slow news day and he couldn't wait until the NCAA actually investigated OU.

But you have to admit, that an anonymous source from the internet is the lesser of two sources right? And let's be honest, Stone's mother wouldn't be angry if her son chose to transfer. She may feel that her son wasn't used correctly or given enough playing time, but she didn't speak out until after he was pushed out.

As for Stone, no matter what way you slice it he was pushed out. I think we can all agree with that (except for MBBF's first few posts). And as I stated before all this it's not that big a deal, IMO. Mike Anderson didn't do anything that other D1 coaches haven't done. The only reason I even posted it on here was to show MBBF that his sources were once again wrong. Not a big surprise there. It's also funny to see MBBF attempt to defend Anderson in this thread when nobody in this thread is pointing the finger of blame at Anderson. Talk about being defensive.
I would agree that she is a more informed source, but still a very biased source...and as for MBBF, i dont really want to comment on your little back and forth that seems to happen every day, you two just seemed destined to dance this dance forever :lol:

I would agree that she is a more informed source, but still a very biased source...and as for MBBF, i dont really want to comment on your little back and forth that seems to happen every day, you two just seemed destined to dance this dance forever :lol:

She is biased, but there's a reason she's biased. Something happened to make her sour on Mike Anderson and Missouri. I'm more likely to believe it's regarding her son's transfer since that seems to be what she's upset about. I haven't seen the rest of her statement so I don't know if she's accused Anderson and staff of something else or not. I'm guessing she's just upset her son was forced to transfer.

Again, I don't think Mike Anderson did anything wrong. Scholarships are guaranteed for a year...that's it. I feel bad for Stone having to sit out a year, but that's on the NCAA...not Mike Anderson.

You're right about MBBF and me. I just can't help myself when it comes to him, lol.

Two more players transfer out of ISU. Fred Hoiberg isn't going to have to push anyone out to make room for new players. They're all leaving on their own.

Iowa St forward Dendy to transfer (http://journalstar.com/sports/college/article_ac90ee12-55cf-54c7-90e3-21c59602e63e.html)

More information about the KU ticket scandal coming to light. The Pump brothers, twins who are heavy power brokers in the college basketball world, were involved in the scheme. Reports out of Rivals indicate that the FBI investigation will now involve other schools in addition to Kansas, which shouldn't be a surprise given the span of influence that the Pump brothers hold.

Kansas ticket scandal - College Basketball - Rivals.com (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=AvVq0yalrhimyoUb1S4n4KvevbYF?slug=ys-kutickets052610)

Here's a previous article that details the Pumps and their dealings with college coaches and AD's just to give some background.

Rivals.com College Basketball - Pump brothers powerful pair in college hoops (http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=792504)

Another preseason ranking for 2010.........

Early NCAA Top 16 | NBADraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net/early-ncaa-top-16)

More information about the KU ticket scandal coming to light. The Pump brothers, twins who are heavy power brokers in the college basketball world, were involved in the scheme. Reports out of Rivals indicate that the FBI investigation will now involve other schools in addition to Kansas, which shouldn't be a surprise given the span of influence that the Pump brothers hold.

Kansas ticket scandal - College Basketball - Rivals.com (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=AvVq0yalrhimyoUb1S4n4KvevbYF?slug=ys-kutickets052610)

Here's a previous article that details the Pumps and their dealings with college coaches and AD's just to give some background.

Rivals.com College Basketball - Pump brothers powerful pair in college hoops (http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=792504)

I hope you noticed those dates MBBF. Remember when you suggested it was all Lew Perkins' fault? Those dates are before he stepped foot in Lawrence. This stuff has been going on a long time at KU.

This stuff has been going on a long time at KU.

We can agree on that.

To be clear, the Kansas basketball ticket scandal, while embarrassing to the University and certainly a source of contention for Jayhawks season ticket holders, has no connection to the basketball program itself from what I can tell. So I guess I fail to see why I as a fan of a different program would really give a rat's ass - the scandal doesn't appear to have been funding cheating by the basketball program, so it's had essentially no impact on my team.

So other than serving as a means for Mizzou and Kansas State fans to ridicule Kansas fans, in terms of looking at things from a basketball program perspective it's a non-issue.

We can agree on that.

So if you believe that then why put this all on Lew Perkins as you did when you originally brought this topic up?

The fact is there were checks in place to stop this, but sadly those people who were in charge of doing just that were co-conspirators. From what I have heard, basically the upper personnel in the ticket department re-categorized premium tickets to a status of complimentary and thus they were no longer on the books. Those "complimentary" tickets were then sold for a profit by the private individuals. I know KU has since then put in a new system, but the fact is a system is only as strong as the personnel in charge of enforcing it.

To be clear, the Kansas basketball ticket scandal, while embarrassing to the University and certainly a source of contention for Jayhawks season ticket holders, has no connection to the basketball program itself from what I can tell. So I guess I fail to see why I as a fan of a different program would really give a rat's ass - the scandal doesn't appear to have been funding cheating by the basketball program, so it's had essentially no impact on my team.

So other than serving as a means for Mizzou and Kansas State fans to ridicule Kansas fans, in terms of looking at things from a basketball program perspective it's a non-issue.

This issue is awful for KU. They are guessing they lost at least $1 million over the last five years and probably closer to $3 million since this thing started in the 90's. And the really sad thing is that most of the individuals involved were either associate athletic directors or assistant athletic directors of their respective departments. The very people in charge of making sure something like this doesn't happen were responsible for profiting off of it.

To be clear, the Kansas basketball ticket scandal, while embarrassing to the University and certainly a source of contention for Jayhawks season ticket holders, has no connection to the basketball program itself from what I can tell.

Bookmark this post. Before this investigation by the FBI (and the NCAA thereafter) is complete, I can 100% guarantee that it will be shown that portions of the profits from this ticket scandal were indirectly pushed to potential or current players and/or their family members by those boosters. Meanstrousity is absolutely right. This scandal goes back at least as far as the Travis Releford recruitment.

Bookmark this post. Before this investigation by the FBI (and the NCAA thereafter) is complete, I can 100% guarantee that it will be shown that portions of the profits from this ticket scandal were indirectly pushed to potential or current players and/or their family members by those boosters. Meanstrousity is absolutely right. This scandal goes back at least as far as the Travis Releford recruitment.

OMG. You're such a drama queen. I love how you pick Travis Releford given that MU recruited him heavily. Let me guess, the only way KU could get Travis to not attend MU was to pay him right? After your Beal prediction you would think you'd give up on making these crazy accusations, but you still keep going.

Just to show how silly you are being. Travis Releford (HS Class of 2008) has been at KU for two years now. That mean's he's likely been recruited since his sophomore year in high school which is almost five years. So that would actually fall into the given time line. But I'm sure your sources have it figured out differently, lol.

Bookmark this post. Before this investigation by the FBI (and the NCAA thereafter) is complete, I can 100% guarantee that it will be shown that portions of the profits from this ticket scandal were indirectly pushed to potential or current players and/or their family members by those boosters.

:rolleyes:

The Pump Brothers don't seem to have an agenda as far as where their kids go, at least in the mold of WWWes

Bookmark this post. Before this investigation by the FBI (and the NCAA thereafter) is complete, I can 100% guarantee that it will be shown that portions of the profits from this ticket scandal were indirectly pushed to potential or current players and/or their family members by those boosters. Meanstrousity is absolutely right. This scandal goes back at least as far as the Travis Releford recruitment.

What's funny is that the portion you bolded has nothing to do with who you are claiming was doing the "pushing" in your post.

What's funny is that the portion you bolded has nothing to do with who you are claiming was doing the "pushing" in your post.

I'm confident in what I posted. Anyone who assumes that the people in the basketball program have no knowledge of most back-end deals are very naive.

Arent you the guy who actually believes that Nolan Richardson would tell a Mizzou fan if Anderson would actually leave the program? And yet you think someone else is being naive?

I'm confident in what I posted. Anyone who assumes that the people in the basketball program have no knowledge of most back-end deals are very naive.
What reason is there to believe this is anything more than simply a way some people have figured out to make a lot of money, other than your own petty jealousy and hope to see a vastly superior basketball program taken down a notch?

To be clear, the Kansas basketball ticket scandal, while embarrassing to the University and certainly a source of contention for Jayhawks season ticket holders, has no connection to the basketball program itself from what I can tell. So I guess I fail to see why I as a fan of a different program would really give a rat's ass - the scandal doesn't appear to have been funding cheating by the basketball program, so it's had essentially no impact on my team.

You're really not that naive...



Roger Morningstar has coached some of those summer traveling teams, one of which included his son, Brady, who committed to Kansas in 2006. Since Jones, Freeman and Roger Morningstar allegedly engaged in scalping tickets through the Pump brothers in 2002, summer traveling teams financed by the Pump brothers have featured at least nine players who went on to play for the Jayhawks. Among them were nationally recruited players Mario Chalmers, David Padgett, Omar Wilkes, Tyrel Reed, Elijah Johnson, Jeff Withey, Travis Releford and Brady Morningstar.

Chalmers’ father, Ronnie, also coached the Pump brothers’ summer traveling team in Alaska, before being hired as the director of basketball operations at KU in 2005. He eventually resigned that position in 2008. And the sons of head coach Bill Self and assistant coach Danny Manning – Tyler Self and Evan Manning – are both currently listed on the rosters of the Pump brothers’ summer traveling teams. Coach Bill Self and Perkins have attended the Pumps’ annual retreat held for coaches and administrators.

I think the NCAA might be knocking on Allen Fieldhouse (again) very soon.

Again, the Pumps dont steer their players to any one particular school

Current UCLA players who have played for Pump N Run

Wear
Wear
Holiday (not current, but recent)
Anderson
Nelson
Honeycutt
Stover
Lamb

You're really not that naive...



I think the NCAA might be knocking on Allen Fieldhouse (again) very soon.

You're reaching if you think this article is implying those named recruits attended KU because of the Pumps. Three of those recruits were long time KU fans since they are from the state of Kansas (Reed, Releford, and Morningstar whose father played for KU in the 70's). Two of those players transferred out after their freshman year (recruited by Roy Williams, but didn't fit Bill Self's playing style). And one of those players was a transfer from Arizona when Lute retired (Withey). If KU were paying the Pumps to bring them recruits then they are paying them either way too much or way too little, lol.

You're really not that naive...
As Bug and the meanstrosity have shown, there's not a lot of reason to figure that this ticket scalping controversy has any real connection to cheating for the basketball program.

College basketball has a lot of problems, and if you look hard at any big-time program there's a decent chance you'll find some unsavory stuff - definitely more likely at some programs (*cough* Kentucky, Oklahoma *cough*) than others. But right now, the only evidence I see is that there were a group of people taking advantage of their connections to skim themselves a hefty extra dose of money via scalping.

It wouldn't shock me if it was discovered that boosters were cheating to get players to Kansas, but then again it wouldn't shock me at pretty much any big-time school. And maybe there is more to this story than just scalping. But I don't see any reason to assume so other than huge levels of cynicism and/or jealousy.

College basketball has a lot of problems, and if you look hard at any big-time program there's a decent chance you'll find some unsavory stuff - definitely more likely at some programs (*cough* Kentucky, Oklahoma *cough*) than others.

Funny you should mention that. OU has announced that they are cooperating with the FBI investigation of the KU scandal, as some of the same officials at KU may have been running a similar scheme during their time at OU.

Kansas ticket scandal touches OU | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/ku-ticket-scandal-touches-ou/article/3464109?custom_click=lead_story_title)

As Bug and the meanstrosity have shown, there's not a lot of reason to figure that this ticket scalping controversy has any real connection to cheating for the basketball program.

But I don't see any reason to assume so other than huge levels of cynicism and/or jealousy.

So just to clarify, a internal report has been released by KU before the FBI investigation is complete and the NCAA investigation has even started, and you're going to take the word of lawyers hired by KU that nothing is amiss other than a couple of people trying to make money?

Dismissing what I'm aware of personally, I think it's highly premature to stand in the middle of the green screaming "All is well!" after a KU internal investigation alone.

Funny you should mention that. OU has announced that they are cooperating with the FBI investigation of the KU scandal, as some of the same officials at KU may have been running a similar scheme during their time at OU.

Kansas ticket scandal touches OU | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/ku-ticket-scandal-touches-ou/article/3464109?custom_click=lead_story_title)
Funny, none of those people have been implicated as having anything to do with the cheating scandals at Oklahoma.

Funny, none of those people have been implicated as having anything to do with the cheating scandals at Oklahoma.

Correct. This is a totally separate problem at this point.

So just to clarify, a internal report has been released by KU before the FBI investigation is complete and the NCAA investigation has even started, and you're going to take the word of lawyers hired by KU that nothing is amiss other than a couple of people trying to make money?
Yes. While nothing would surprise me in terms of shady business, it's still a significant leap from a known issue of people skimming a lot of money off ticket scalping to speculating that some of that money was then turned around to fund cheating on behalf of recruiting kids to Kansas basketball. Until there's some shred of legitimate reporting of wrong-doing on behalf of the Kansas basketball program that has some connection to those involved in this ticket scandal, I'll write this all of as wild fantasy on your part.

Dismissing what I'm aware of personally, I think it's highly premature to stand in the middle of the green screaming "All is well!" after a KU internal investigation alone.
Personal knowledge eh? I love the interwebs...

Personal knowledge eh? I love the interwebs...

Travis Relaford is an obvious example of the money flow and where it went. The college coaches would openly joke about him at AAU tourneys when they were there to scout players. The running joke was that Travis Relaford wasn't sure he wanted to play at KU, but that his mother couldn't afford the pay cut if he went elsewhere.

The issue is that this will likely drag on for months or even a couple of years as the FBI and NCAA sort through the cash and where it all landed. So we won't see anything firm for some time to come.

Travis Relaford is an obvious example of the money flow and where it went. The college coaches would openly joke about him at AAU tourneys when they were there to scout players. The running joke was that Travis Relaford wasn't sure he wanted to play at KU, but that his mother couldn't afford the pay cut if he went elsewhere.
What, because Relaford played on summer teams financed by the Pump brothers it must mean that they paid him to attend Kansas? What about all the national recruits that played on Pump teams that didn't attend Kansas?

You're going to have to establish a more concrete connection than that one. Is it a possible theory? Sure. But hardly "obvious".

The "obvious" thing here is that there were people exploiting a major loophole in the Kansas basketball ticket system to enrich themselves.

Travis Relaford is an obvious example of the money flow and where it went. The college coaches would openly joke about him at AAU tourneys when they were there to scout players. The running joke was that Travis Relaford wasn't sure he wanted to play at KU, but that his mother couldn't afford the pay cut if he went elsewhere.

The issue is that this will likely drag on for months or even a couple of years as the FBI and NCAA sort through the cash and where it all landed. So we won't see anything firm for some time to come.

And what college coaches did you hear joking about that? Seriously? Releford was a long time KU fan even before he became a highly rated recruit. The funny thing is that if KU paid Releford then you know Missouri had to pay him to stay in his top 5. So what's the dirt on Mike Anderson since you seem to have such great sources?

And what college coaches did you hear joking about that? Seriously?

It was a group of coaches in the stands at one of the AAU events here in the KC area. The main participants in the conversation were Billy Gillispie and Kelvin Sampson, though there were others listening in. Yes, the irony runs thick in hindsight.

What, because Relaford played on summer teams financed by the Pump brothers it must mean that they paid him to attend Kansas?

Nowhere did I say that the Pump brothers were the ones making the payments to Relaford.

It was a group of coaches in the stands at one of the AAU events here in the KC area. The main participants in the conversation were Billy Gillispie and Kelvin Sampson, though there were others listening in. Yes, the irony runs thick in hindsight.


So how much money did Mike Anderson give to Releford? After all, Missouri was in his top 5. So if they wanted to be in the recruiting race with Kansas then they had to have ponied up. Any idea how much Pressey and Mitchell are getting from Anderson? A 4 and a 5 star player going to Missouri had to cost quite a bit more than a bench player going to KU.

So how much money did Mike Anderson give to Releford? After all, Missouri was in his top 5. So if they wanted to be in the recruiting race with Kansas then they had to have ponied up. Any idea how much Pressey and Mitchell are getting from Anderson? A 4 and a 5 star player going to Missouri had to cost quite a bit more than a bench player going to KU.

Mizzou didn't offer anything to Relaford. Obviously, that would have evidently helped in hindsight.

Pressey's recruitment was all about family connections (Anderson was college roommates with Pressey's father). Once Anderson landed Pressey, it was like having a secondary recruiter on site to land Mitchell. It should be noted also that Mitchell's mom was dead-set on having her son play for an African-American coach. If someone wasn't aware of that, the final three of Georgetown, Missouri, and North Texas would have given that away.

Mizzou didn't offer anything to Relaford. Obviously, that would have evidently helped in hindsight.

Pressey's recruitment was all about family connections (Anderson was college roommates with Pressey's father). Once Anderson landed Pressey, it was like having a secondary recruiter on site to land Mitchell. It should be noted also that Mitchell's mom was dead-set on having her son play for an African-American coach. If someone wasn't aware of that, the final three of Georgetown, Missouri, and North Texas would have given that away.

So a struggling program like Missouri was able to stay in Releford's top five while a top 10 program like Kansas had to sway him with money? That makes so much sense!

So then how much did it cost to get Pressey and Mitchell? You never said. Did Mitchell have to give KSU their money back when he backed off on his original verbal to the Wildcats?

What I love about you MBBF is that you have all these reasons why Mitchell chose Missouri (friends with Pressey, mom wanted his son to play for a black coach, etc) and yet those same arguments could be made for Releford at Kansas (friends with Reed, mom wanted him to play close to home, etc) yet you throw out the KU paid him argument instead. Do you not see how much of a Missouri homer saying stuff like that makes you look?

What I love about you MBBF is that you have all these reasons why Mitchell chose Missouri (friends with Pressey, mom wanted his son to play for a black coach, etc) and yet those same arguments could be made for Releford at Kansas (friends with Reed, mom wanted him to play close to home, etc) yet you throw out the KU paid him argument instead. Do you not see how much of a Missouri homer saying stuff like that makes you look?



1. Don't be foolish. Mizzou has had its share of that kind of junk in the past (see Detroit connection). We're not immune from it given past situations, but we we're not in the top 10 all-time for program probations either.

2. No question that Releford had other reasons (though I did find your 'mom wanted him to play close to home' comment amusing given what I've stated). He didn't solely go there due to money.

NCAA cites Calhoun for 8 recruiting violations........

UConn Huskies report NCAA finds eight violations in men's basketball program - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5228593)

1. Don't be foolish. Mizzou has had its share of that kind of junk in the past (see Detroit connection). We're not immune from it given past situations, but we we're not in the top 10 all-time for program probations either.

2. No question that Releford had other reasons (though I did find your 'mom wanted him to play close to home' comment amusing given what I've stated). He didn't solely go there due to money.

But you're saying that it no longer happens at Missouri now right? That Mike Anderson is above that right? Yet here he is with a struggling Missouri program and he's one of the top 5 teams on a player whom you are suggesting is getting paid during his recruitment? Just think this out with me. If a school with the tradition of Kansas has to pay to recruit Releford then how does a school like Missouri get in Releford's top five without paying him? You see what I'm getting at right? If KU paid to get in his top five then you can guarantee that MU paid him as well.

So how much is MU paying Pressey and Mitchell?

Yet here he is with a struggling Missouri program.....

I'd call Mizzou many things, but a 'struggling program' isn't one of them.

Just let it play out. I'm sure I'll be wrong and you won't have anything to worry about..........

I'd call Mizzou many things, but a 'struggling program' isn't one of them.

Just let it play out. I'm sure I'll be wrong and you won't have anything to worry about..........

Travis Releford verballed to Kansas in 2007. Missouri at that time was getting set to kick off a 16-16 season and had just completed an 18-12 season with a 12-16 season prior to that. You don't consider that a struggling program?

I'm sure you'll be wrong as well though since you have been every other time you've cited sources. Are you even certain the NCAA is investigating Kansas? I haven't heard of any investigation aside from your original comment. The only investigations I'm aware of are being made by the FBI and IRS.

I'm sure you'll be wrong as well though since you have been every other time you've cited sources. Are you even certain the NCAA is investigating Kansas? I haven't heard of any investigation aside from your original comment. The only investigations I'm aware of are being made by the FBI and IRS.

They've already noted that the NCAA won't begin its investigation until the federal investigation is complete simply because the FBI can collect the information with supoenas a whole lot easier than the NCAA can.

Lew was incorrect yesterday when he said that no NCAA rules had been broken to this point, as it's pretty clear even from the internal investigation that the following rules were likely broken......

-11.1 Conduct of Atheletics Personel
-11.2.2 Athletically Related Income rules (specifically mentions complementary ticket sales)
-11.3.1 Compensation and Renumeration - Control of Employment and Salaries

Here are the rules and regs if you want to read through them on a more detailed level....

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf

They've already noted that the NCAA won't begin its investigation until the federal investigation is complete simply because the FBI can collect the information with supoenas a whole lot easier than the NCAA can.

Lew was incorrect yesterday when he said that no NCAA rules had been broken to this point, as it's pretty clear even from the internal investigation that the following rules were likely broken......

-11.1 Conduct of Atheletics Personel
-11.2.2 Athletically Related Income rules (specifically mentions complementary ticket sales)
-11.3.1 Compensation and Renumeration - Control of Employment and Salaries

Here are the rules and regs if you want to read through them on a more detailed level....

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf

So do you still suggest that MU wasn't a struggling program when Releford committed to KU? And how much did a struggling MU program have to pay Releford just to get in his top 5? I can't imagine it was cheap given your theories on KU paying him, lol.

Where was this noted? I haven't heard anything regarding even a potential NCAA investigation at this time. That's not to say one can't occur, but you're the first person I've heard suggest it has already been mentioned. Do you have a link where it was mentioned?

As for the NCAA rules you cited:

-11.1 Conduct of Atheletics Personel; this is a section not an actual rule. I guess you could suggest 11.1.1 could be in violation (Standards of Honesty and Sportsmanship) though it's a very vague rule.

-11.2.2 Athletically Related Income rules (specifically mentions complementary ticket sales); Maybe I'm reading this ruling wrong, but it sounds as if it is a rule that forces the universities to add this to their contracts. So it would be a violation only if the university did not include this information in their contracts. Hopefully that makes sense. That is at least how I was reading it. So long as KU includes this information in their contract it would not be a violation. Now if the employee broke it (as in this case) then it would be a breach of contract.

-11.3.1 Compensation and Renumeration - Control of Employment and Salaries; I'm not really seeing how this is being violated.

The KU ticket scandal deepens even further as Lew Perkins accuses a man of blackmail. The accused has said that Perkins gave someone preferable ticket locations for basketball in exchange for the loan of the equipment. Perkins even agreed at one point in an e-mail to pay for the equipment as long as the accused kept the deal under wraps in return.......

Details of alleged blackmail surface | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)

The alleged blackmail of Kansas athletic director Lew Perkins followed months of correspondence between him and a former Kansas Athletics employee who accused Perkins of accepting $35,000 of exercise equipment in exchange for securing premium men's basketball tickets for the equipment company's owners.

E-mails and letters obtained by The Topeka Capital-Journal show the employee, William Dent, threatened to go public with the ticket-equipment swap allegations if he wasn't paid for what he says was the cost of storing the equipment.

Perkins appeared open to paying Dent in April.

In an April 13 e-mail to Dent, Perkins attorney Stephen McAllister wrote: "Mr. Perkins' willingness to purchase these items from you, and his willingness to engage in any further negotiations about this matter, will terminate if you disseminate any statements or information about this private matter to anyone" including the media.

Former KU employee wanted to force Perkins' hand | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-31/former_ku_employee_wanted_to_force_perkins_hand)

The accused said he had information about possible wrong-doing in the athletic department.

In an e-mail sent to Perkins' attorney in April, Dent outlined allegations about the exercise equipment, as well as other allegations surrounding the high school eligibility of former and current KU basketball stars and about the disregarding of university drug policy for athletes.

This article below makes it pretty clear that Perkins is on thin ice at this point. The only person defending him in this article is the student body president. All of the other boosters and university leaders who were quoted (and control the power) were very frustrated with the continued issues popping up in the athletic department.

Support for Perkins waning | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-05-31/support_for_perkins_waning)

Even if Perkins does manage to clear his name, he clearly broke Kansas state law by accepting the gifts while being employed by the state. Kansas state law says:

"46-237. Gifts to state agencies, state officers and employees, candidates for state office and state officers elect; limitations and prohibitions; exceptions; hospitality; honoraria; gifts from foreign governments; reimbursement of legislators for travel and subsistence expenses by certain national and international organizations and foreign governments. (a) Except as provided by this section, no state officer or employee, candidate for state office or state officer elect shall accept, or agree to accept any (1) economic opportunity, gift, loan, gratuity, special discount, favor, hospitality or service having an aggregate value of $40 or more in any calendar year or (2) hospitality in the form of recreation having an aggregate value of $100 or more in any calendar year from any one person known to have a special interest, under circumstances where such person knows or should know that a major purpose of the donor is to influence such person in the performance of their official duties or prospective official duties."

The KU ticket scandal deepens even further as Lew Perkins accuses a man of blackmail. The accused has said that Perkins gave someone preferable ticket locations for basketball in exchange for the loan of the equipment. Perkins even agreed at one point in an e-mail to pay for the equipment as long as the accused kept the deal under wraps in return.......

Details of alleged blackmail surface | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)



Former KU employee wanted to force Perkins' hand | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-31/former_ku_employee_wanted_to_force_perkins_hand)

The accused said he had information about possible wrong-doing in the athletic department.



This article below makes it pretty clear that Perkins is on thin ice at this point. The only person defending him in this article is the student body president. All of the other boosters and university leaders who were quoted (and control the power) were very frustrated with the continued issues popping up in the athletic department.

Support for Perkins waning | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-05-31/support_for_perkins_waning)

Even if Perkins does manage to clear his name, he clearly broke Kansas state law by accepting the gifts while being employed by the state. Kansas state law says:

A few things to add since you might be making some incorrect assumptions. From what I have heard, Lew Perkins still has the support of the bigger boosters. So you're incorrect in assuming that the people who "control the power" want him gone. The money guys behind KU still very much like Lew at least as of this week. Things change and I guess we'll find out more information when it becomes available.

As for the blackmailer, we have to remember he's an employee who was fired by Lew Perkins for assaulting his wife. So there's obviously an axe to grind. I still wonder why Perkins played along with the guy. I know Perkins' lawyer assumed he owned the exercise equipment, but you would have thought Lew or his lawyer would have researched the issue further rather than simply handing the equipment back to him. It's just a weird situation and awful timing considering the fraud taking place in the ticket department.

Also you suggest this equipment would be construed as a gift. I'm not a lawyer, but if he returned the equipment and then offered to pay for them does that still make them a gift? I honestly don't know. I could see a lawyer taking both sides.

Also you suggest this equipment would be construed as a gift. I'm not a lawyer, but if he returned the equipment and then offered to pay for them does that still make them a gift? I honestly don't know. I could see a lawyer taking both sides.

He offered to pay it back in return for the other guy's silence. It's a bit more complicated than you paint it. Regardless, this is turning very ugly for Perkins and the university and we haven't even got to the independent findings yet.

He offered to pay it back in return for the other guy's silence. It's a bit more complicated than you paint it. Regardless, this is turning very ugly for Perkins and the university and we haven't even got to the independent findings yet.

Actually, the money Dent wanted was for the storage of the items at his house. The actual owners of the equipment suggested the items were not gifted to Lew Perkins.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I can't see how Lew Perkins would open this can of worms without knowing he'll be in the clear. Remember this is Lew Perkins suing this man for blackmail and putting this in the public. The guy in question is definitely a very shady character and has admitted his vendetta with Lew Perkins for firing him.

I do believe KU should investigate the seats given to the owners of the equipment. If they received a significant bump in seats compared to their donation level then Lew should resign immediately.

MBBF,

Since you're here tonight. What's going on with Tiger recruit Tony Mitchell and his grades? I know there was some shady business when he reneged on his original verbal to KSU because of his mother (people have claimed she was looking for cash).

http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Star-Basketball-Player-the-Subject-of-DISD-Investigation-95367614.html

Uh oh...

Uh oh...

The funny thing is this topic has been the focal point all day on MBBF's Missouri board yet he never posted it here. I wonder why? ;)

Here's a previous article that details the Pumps and their dealings with college coaches and AD's just to give some background.

Rivals.com College Basketball - Pump brothers powerful pair in college hoops (http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=792504)

More damning evidence of Missouri cheating to get players via their Pump N Run connections. The local Pump N Run coach stated that Missouri actually has had more recruits from the Pump N Run squad than Kansas. Is there any thing that Mike Anderson won't do to land Pump N Run recruits?!


“Talk like that is discouraging. We’ve had more guys attend Missouri than Kansas. Kids like Tyrel and Brady grew up loving the University of Kansas. They didn’t need anybody telling them to go to Kansas. Same with Conner (Teahan). He gave up opportunities to play on scholarship at other places to walk-on.”


http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/may/29/coach-defends-pump-n-run/?mens_basketball

:p

MBBF,

Since you're here tonight. What's going on with Tiger recruit Tony Mitchell and his grades? I know there was some shady business when he reneged on his original verbal to KSU because of his mother (people have claimed she was looking for cash).

http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Star-Basketball-Player-the-Subject-of-DISD-Investigation-95367614.html

The cash report is just you or "people" making stuff up. He decommitted from KSU because he committed without his mother knowing and she refused to allow him to attend KSU. At least get the facts straight.

As for his grades, if you had been monitoring the Missouri boards as you claim you have, you would have know over a month ago that he was not likely to graduate on time and that his status would be up in the air until the end of summer due to the transfer of credits from a private school in Florida. It should also be noted that the NCAA still may pass him even though the DISD did not as long as he has completed the 15 core courses and received a good ACT score (which he has already said he did).

Honestly, this isn't new news to most Mizzou basketball fans. The guy broke a story that could have easily been found on Mizzou fan boards several weeks ago.

Actually, the money Dent wanted was for the storage of the items at his house. The actual owners of the equipment suggested the items were not gifted to Lew Perkins.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I can't see how Lew Perkins would open this can of worms without knowing he'll be in the clear. Remember this is Lew Perkins suing this man for blackmail and putting this in the public. The guy in question is definitely a very shady character and has admitted his vendetta with Lew Perkins for firing him.

I do believe KU should investigate the seats given to the owners of the equipment. If they received a significant bump in seats compared to their donation level then Lew should resign immediately.

You're certainly a loyal fan and a very good defender of this kind of behavior. Meanwhile, two more articles have come out on the exact topic I brought up concerning Perkins' behavior......

Perkins ethics may be issue | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-06-01/perkins_ethics_may_be_issue)

Questions arise whether Lew Perkins violated state ethics law by accepting 'loan' of exercise equipment / LJWorld.com (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/jun/01/questions-arise-whether-lew-perkins-violated-state/)

The cash report is just you or "people" making stuff up. He decommitted from KSU because he committed without his mother knowing and she refused to allow him to attend KSU. At least get the facts straight.

As for his grades, if you had been monitoring the Missouri boards as you claim you have, you would have know over a month ago that he was not likely to graduate on time and that his status would be up in the air until the end of summer due to the transfer of credits from a private school in Florida. It should also be noted that the NCAA still may pass him even though the DISD did not as long as he has completed the 15 core courses and received a good ACT score (which he has already said he did).

Honestly, this isn't new news to most Mizzou basketball fans. The guy broke a story that could have easily been found on Mizzou fan boards several weeks ago.

Why should I let facts get in the way of anything. You certainly haven't. Again, I've heard from numerous "sources" that Tony Mitchell's mother was looking for a handout and thus why she wouldn't allow her son to stay committed to KSU. In fact, this is the third time (Hannah and Lyons) in recent history at MU where a player verballed to another school only to have their parents not allow it. How much money is MU handing out to parents over there?

It seemed to be pretty big news on the Missouri boards yesterday since it was all the Tiger fans were talking about. I've known he was going to take some work to get qualified, but I had no idea of the two days to go from a freshman to a qualifying senior by taking a few tests. Pretty incredible for a guy who struggled with his course work previously and then becomes a super genius.

You're certainly a loyal fan and a very good defender of this kind of behavior. Meanwhile, two more articles have come out on the exact topic I brought up concerning Perkins' behavior......

Perkins ethics may be issue | CJOnline.com (http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-06-01/perkins_ethics_may_be_issue)

Questions arise whether Lew Perkins violated state ethics law by accepting 'loan' of exercise equipment / LJWorld.com (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/jun/01/questions-arise-whether-lew-perkins-violated-state/)

How am I loyal and a good defender? All I have suggested is the incident be investigated. Do you want me to condemn Lew Perkins for something we don't know? I'll be the first to admit this is a strange situation, but I'm patient enough to see what the investigation comes back with versus calling someone guilty or innocent without knowing all of the facts. If that's loyal and a good defender then so be it.

Per the store owner, it's standard practice for them to "loan" out exercise equipment before purchasing. I'm sure you know of other companies such as bowflex who have a similar offer. The problem was that the company in question went bankrupt during the loan period and Lew Perkins had nowhere to send the equipment to. And the owner also stated that his seats were in the nose bleeds. A far cry from the premium seats suggested by Dent. So that's the other side of the story.

Honestly, I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth. Dent has a shady history and stupidly admits he has a vendetta against Perkins. Does that mean he's a liar? No. But there is an investigation taking place and I'll wait to see what the results are before judging one way or another.

It seemed to be pretty big news on the Missouri boards yesterday since it was all the Tiger fans were talking about. I've known he was going to take some work to get qualified, but I had no idea of the two days to go from a freshman to a qualifying senior by taking a few tests. Pretty incredible for a guy who struggled with his course work previously and then becomes a super genius.

If you don't know that happens on a regular basis, then you're far more disconnected from NCAA eligibility issues than I previously thought. It's not uncommon at all for students from a private institution to be required by another district to take a test to prove that they're competent in a subject before being credited for those classes. He went from a freshman to a senior because there was one or two classes in each grade that the district wouldn't accept without him 'testing out' of those courses. The situation is that the DISD (which is a disaster of a school district as people in that area can surely attest) granted the credit and then backed off that acceptance.

Tony's mistake was nothing more than making a poor transfer decision. He should have investigated further what would and wouldn't transfer before selecting a school district. It should also be noted again that this decision has no relevance to the NCAA decision-making process. Most districts would accept those 'test out' test results for credit. He transferred to one of the few that would not. That doesn't mean that the NCAA can't or won't accept them. Even if they don't, he still has options to make up credit during the summer and still get that done. It's a good example of how careful students have to be when selecting where to transfer whether it's HS or colleges.

If you don't know that happens on a regular basis, then you're far more disconnected from NCAA eligibility issues than I previously thought. It's not uncommon at all for students from a private institution to be required by another district to take a test to prove that they're competent in a subject before being credited for those classes. He went from a freshman to a senior because there was one or two classes in each grade that the district wouldn't accept without him 'testing out' of those courses. The situation is that the DISD (which is a disaster of a school district as people in that area can surely attest) granted the credit and then backed off that acceptance.

Tony's mistake was nothing more than making a poor transfer decision. He should have investigated further what would and wouldn't transfer before selecting a school district. It should also be noted again that this decision has no relevance to the NCAA decision-making process. Most districts would accept those 'test out' test results for credit. He transferred to one of the few that would not. That doesn't mean that the NCAA can't or won't accept them. Even if they don't, he still has options to make up credit during the summer and still get that done. It's a good example of how careful students have to be when selecting where to transfer whether it's HS or colleges.

If it's normal why are the educators in the article suggesting that it's an extremely rare achievement? Their words not mine.

PS: So how much money is MU giving these parents? You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge of everyone else cheating, it'd be nice to hear some dirt on MU.

If it's normal why are the educators in the article suggesting that it's an extremely rare achievement? Their words not mine.

That was a pretty weak job of reporting in that section that you mention. I'd be interested to hear who the 'several educators' are. There's no basis cited by the writer and it's certainly no secret that it is an option for ALL students, not just athletes.

Much of this scrutiny is a backlash from the D. Arthur investigation where questions were brought concerning his curriculum and whether he should have graduated. The DISD has been under heavy fire after that investigation. They're being overly careful and that's in the best interest of this district. It's just a hinderance to Tony as he's going to have to cross a couple extra hurdles this summer that he would have liked to avoid. Lesson learned for him, but thankfully there's no hint of wrongdoing in any way on his part.

That was a pretty weak job of reporting in that section that you mention. I'd be interested to hear who the 'several educators' are. There's no basis cited by the writer and it's certainly no secret that it is an option for ALL students, not just athletes.

Much of this scrutiny is a backlash from the D. Arthur investigation where questions were brought concerning his curriculum and whether he should have graduated. The DISD has been under heavy fire after that investigation. They're being overly careful and that's in the best interest of this district. It's just a hinderance to Tony as he's going to have to cross a couple extra hurdles this summer that he would have liked to avoid. Lesson learned for him, but thankfully there's no hint of wrongdoing in any way on his part.

It sounds pretty serious if they are investigating it.

It sounds pretty serious if they are investigating it.

It's pretty overblown. We're talking about 8 credits here, which is roughly 2-3 classes. He's a star athlete, so wrong or right, it makes for a story. But in the end, he still has multiple ways to meet the NCAA specs to graduate and there's no hint of wrongdoing on Tony's part. We'll talk in September if/when it is actually an issue. In the meanwhile, it provides a nice smokescreen for KU for at least a couple of days before having to return to the FBI investigation.

It's pretty overblown. We're talking about 8 credits here, which is roughly 2-3 classes. He's a star athlete, so wrong or right, it makes for a story. But in the end, he still has multiple ways to meet the NCAA specs to graduate and there's no hint of wrongdoing on Tony's part. We'll talk in September if/when it is actually an issue. In the meanwhile, it provides a nice smokescreen for KU for at least a couple of days before having to return to the FBI investigation.

I don't think making up eight credits in less than two days is "pretty overblown". Five of those over a two hour period. Even you recall the Ricky Clemmons 24 credit saga over the summer to get qualified for MU.

Pfft...FBI investigation. That was just shoddy reporting right? Just like this was. ;)

I don't think making up eight credits in less than two days is "pretty overblown". Five of those over a two hour period. Even you recall the Ricky Clemmons 24 credit saga over the summer to get qualified for MU.

Pfft...FBI investigation. That was just shoddy reporting right? Just like this was. ;)

No, that's incorrect. This wasn't shoddy reporting as a whole, but the inserted comment should have referenced specific sources.

Five HS credits realized after taking a 2 hour placement test is not unrealistic at all. Ricky Clemons is a totally different ball of wax where things were knowingly manipulated by school officials. All we have here is a story about a kid who's placement test scores weren't accepted for credit in that given district. He took those classes and was given credit for them in his old district. He can still use those scores and grades from the old school as part of his transcript to the NCAA and he may not end up taking a single test or class.

No, that's incorrect. This wasn't shoddy reporting as a whole, but the inserted comment should have referenced specific sources.

Five HS credits realized after taking a 2 hour placement test is not unrealistic at all. Ricky Clemons is a totally different ball of wax where things were knowingly manipulated by school officials. All we have here is a story about a kid who's placement test scores weren't accepted for credit in that given district. He took those classes and was given credit for them in his old district. He can still use those scores and grades from the old school as part of his transcript to the NCAA and he may not end up taking a single test or class.

A quick side question for you. If this has been known on the MU sites for weeks where is DeArmond's coverage of it? I read the Star daily and I haven't seen him report on anything regarding Mitchell. Do you still suggest he's a good unbiased reporter? It sounds like he's sitting on a pretty big story.

I'll agree they were short on quotes, but it is an ongoing investigation so people may not want to go on record until it's over. It's definitely no less shoddy than some of the recent articles you've posted and backed 100% against KU.

Mike DeArmond finally reports in on the Tony Mitchell situation. MBBF, is your name Mike by chance?

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988964/missouri-recruits-eligibility.html

Guys, guess what? Both schools are major players in college athletics and so what both of you say about the other team is closer to reality than what both of you feel about your own team. I always say this about politiics also, watch CNN for the reality of the Republicans and Fox for the reality of the Democrats. KU and Mizzou are dirty just like every other major program. It just takes a lot of balls for somebody local to go after either team. (What happens to your sports reporting career at the Star or the Post-Dispatch if you take down KU or Mizzou? My guess is you aren't very popular around the office)

Guys, guess what? Both schools are major players in college athletics and so what both of you say about the other team is closer to reality than what both of you feel about your own team. I always say this about politiics also, watch CNN for the reality of the Republicans and Fox for the reality of the Democrats. KU and Mizzou are dirty just like every other major program. It just takes a lot of balls for somebody local to go after either team. (What happens to your sports reporting career at the Star or the Post-Dispatch if you take down KU or Mizzou? My guess is you aren't very popular around the office)

That's blasphemous talk panerd! MBBF will take your MU fan license with talk like that.

PS: Panerd, you're one of the more reasonable MU fans on this board so know that when I go back and forth with MBBF it's not because of any animosity I feel about Missouri. I'm sure I've said it on this board before, but the majority of my family is from Missouri and are die hard Tiger fans. My dad being the biggest of those fans. So try not to take any of my comments personally. They are meant to prod and poke MBBF and nobody else.

They are meant to prod and poke MBBF and nobody else.

You seriously need a hobby if this is your purpose in this discussion thread. If you want to legitimately discuss the topic (or at least pretend to do so), fine. If you're just looking to intentionally irritate people, find something better to do with your time.

If you're just looking to intentionally irritate people, find something better to do with your time.

I'm trying to say this as nicely as possible: Would you please consider this rule of yours every time you post something?

SI

I'm trying to say this as nicely as possible: Would you please consider this rule of yours every time you post something?

SI

I never intentionally try to irritate someone. But it's duly noted nonetheless. My greatest contribution would likely be just to go ahead and ignore meanstrousity. Probably best to take the higher road here as you suggest given that he's openly admitting he's not interested in honest discussion.

I never intentionally try to irritate someone. But it's duly noted nonetheless. My greatest contribution would likely be just to go ahead and ignore meanstrousity. Probably best to take the higher road here as you suggest given that he's openly admitting he's not interested in honest discussion.

Why it is that in near every thread you participate, it seems to come down to this?

Pat Forde revisits the age-old discussion concerning favorable treatment of the NCAA when it comes to punishment and investigations.......

Pat Forde: Does the NCAA use selective enforcement when doling out punishment? - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=5242104)

I never intentionally try to irritate someone. But it's duly noted nonetheless. My greatest contribution would likely be just to go ahead and ignore meanstrousity. Probably best to take the higher road here as you suggest given that he's openly admitting he's not interested in honest discussion.

Oh please MBBF. I told you from the beginning I was interested in honest discussion and you've never once participated in one with me. Instead you threw out crazy claims with no sources (Beal, Releford, etc). If you honestly were interested in legitimate college basketball discussion then I'd be totally fine with you (crazy Missouri bias included). But I've watched your act for the last year and thus I'll give until you get.

PS: Still waiting to hear why Mike DeArmond was so late covering this story that he's supposedly known for two weeks. You still consider Mike a good reporter?

MBBF,

Since you're here tonight. What's going on with Tiger recruit Tony Mitchell and his grades? I know there was some shady business when he reneged on his original verbal to KSU because of his mother (people have claimed she was looking for cash).

http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Star-Basketball-Player-the-Subject-of-DISD-Investigation-95367614.html

The Tony Mitchell investigation continues as it looks as if Mitchell had over 100 unexcuses absences, but was still allowed to play high school basketball and is still on course to graduate. Per the article his unexcused absences are not under investigation and may never be investigated.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Pinkston-star-basketball-player--95826849.html

The Tony Mitchell investigation continues as it looks as if Mitchell had over 100 unexcuses absences, but was still allowed to play high school basketball and is still on course to graduate. Per the article his unexcused absences are not under investigation and may never be investigated.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Pinkston-star-basketball-player--95826849.html

Heard about this. Missed over 50 days of school and over 100 classes.

Im sure that happened before he committed to Missouri. Once he committed, I'm sure Anderson made him go to class :)

Pat Forde revisits the age-old discussion concerning favorable treatment of the NCAA when it comes to punishment and investigations.......

Pat Forde: Does the NCAA use selective enforcement when doling out punishment? - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=5242104)
The article is flawed because it looks only at infractions. It's the penalties where there is bias.

He says the NCAA is becoming nicer and that's why there are not as many postseason bans. But there still are, and they are almost exclusively for smaller programs that have done much less than the major schools.

A handful of FCS schools were banned last year from postseason play for poor grades. Not cheating, they just had poor grades. It cost Jacksonville State a trip to the playoffs. But a lot of big programs have had massive cheating scandals and never lost their postseason. In fact, Florida State got bumped up to a better bowl last year.

Im sure that happened before he committed to Missouri. Once he committed, I'm sure Anderson made him go to class :)

Guess this finally puts to bed MBBF's claims that Mike Anderson only recruits "character" kids, lol.

Seriously though, how crazy is Tony Mitchell for possibly jeopardizing his college career simply because he was too lazy to go to classes?

Heard about this. Missed over 50 days of school and over 100 classes.

Just to clarify since the article was very poorly worded. Mitchell missed 102 classes, which amounts to roughly 14 days out of school, not 50 as you imply.

I'm not going to say that it's a great idea for a kid to miss 14 days of classes in a year, but I may or may not have missed that many classes my senior year and still graduated with honors.

Just to clarify since the article was very poorly worded. Mitchell missed 102 classes, which amounts to roughly 14 days out of school, not 50 as you imply.

I'm not going to say that it's a great idea for a kid to miss 14 days of classes in a year, but I may or may not have missed that many classes my senior year and still graduated with honors.

The article says that he missed at least one class (ie cutting - unexcused absence) on 52 separate days.

Just to clarify since the article was very poorly worded. Mitchell missed 102 classes, which amounts to roughly 14 days out of school, not 50 as you imply.

I'm not going to say that it's a great idea for a kid to miss 14 days of classes in a year, but I may or may not have missed that many classes my senior year and still graduated with honors.

It's not poorly worded. There were 52 days in which he missed at least one class. You can call it roughly 14 days out of school, but that is a total misrepresentation of the situation.

The bigger issue is how he's even academically eligible for college? Testing out or not, he must have failed a lot of courses to be declared a 17 year old freshman at that high school.

The bigger issue is how he's even academically eligible for college? Testing out or not, he must have failed a lot of courses to be declared a 17 year old freshman at that high school.

Which displays a tremendous lack of understanding related to the facts of this case. He was a 17 year old freshman because that district refused to accept those classes for equal credit. With that said, the DISD does allow for students to demonstrate competance in those classes by 'testing out' of the classes per the Superintendent of the district, which was a big miss by the author in his original article. The NCAA also allows that practice of testing out to receive class credits.

As it currently stands, Mitchell has one summer school class to take and has to improve his ACT score by one point to be eligible to play this fall. Certainly still work to do, but far from the picture painted by that original article which was heavily sensationalized and not fully researched.

Also, the Dallas Police Department has been in touch with the Mitchell family and the author of the article. They are conducting an investigation to determine how student records were leaked and who may face criminal charges related to those leaks.

So a high school won't accept classes from another high school, but Missouri has no problems with it? Not the best picture to paint of your school

But seriously MBBF.

If this was a kid at Kansas, you would be absolutely railing on Kansas. Instead, you're excusing it all?

This is why people mock you and hate discussing things with you.

So a high school won't accept classes from another high school, but Missouri has no problems with it? Not the best picture to paint of your school

This isn't any high school we're talking about here. This is the DISD. It's just about as dysfunctional a school district as you will find. It should be noted that credit initially removed from Mitchell's record has now been mostly restored except for the one class that he's retaking this summer. It was a knee jerk reaction to this writer's inquiries that was found to be mostly unwarranted.

The classes aren't being accepted. He took tests to demonstrate that he had the knowledge taught in those classes. If you're against the testing out process, that's fine. Take it up with the NCAA. You'll see the same issues with 30-35% of the top 100 basketball players in the nation. It's very common.

But seriously MBBF.

If this was a kid at Kansas, you would be absolutely railing on Kansas. Instead, you're excusing it all?

This is why people mock you and hate discussing things with you.

No need to wait on that reaction. The Arthur situation was far worse than what is being alleged in the Mitchell situation. If the Arthur grade scandal would have been found before he went to KU, he would have never played college basketball.

Report claims Arthur's grades altered in high school - Men's College Basketball - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3399372)

This isn't any high school we're talking about here. This is the DISD. It's just about as dysfunctional a school district as you will find. It should be noted that credit initially removed from Mitchell's record has now been mostly restored except for the one class that he's retaking this summer. It was a knee jerk reaction to this writer's inquiries that was found to be mostly unwarranted.

There are certain requirements ALL school districts must adhere to if they want state funding. It doesn't matter in the slightest how dysfunction you might perceive it to be.

The classes aren't being accepted. He took tests to demonstrate that he had the knowledge taught in those classes. If you're against the testing out process, that's fine. Take it up with the NCAA. You'll see the same issues with 30-35% of the top 100 basketball players in the nation. It's very common.

He passed the tests, no one is doubting that. They doubt that he actually knows the material and was able to pass the classes. I mean, since his school district is obviously so dysfunctional.

No need to wait on that reaction. The Arthur situation was far worse than what is being alleged in the Mitchell situation. If the Arthur grade scandal would have been found before he went to KU, he would have never played college basketball.

Report claims Arthur's grades altered in high school - Men's College Basketball - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3399372)

*slaps forehead*

Look guys, the sooner we all accept that sunshine flows out of the ass of Mike Anderson and everyone associated with Mizzou and toxic, noxious fumes are seeping from the pores of all associated with Kansas, the better off we'll be.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

No need to wait on that reaction. The Arthur situation was far worse than what is being alleged in the Mitchell situation. If the Arthur grade scandal would have been found before he went to KU, he would have never played college basketball.

Report claims Arthur's grades altered in high school - Men's College Basketball - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3399372)



*slaps forehead*

Now you're just being ridiculous.

Yup. Way to completely not address my point.

No need to wait on that reaction. The Arthur situation was far worse than what is being alleged in the Mitchell situation. If the Arthur grade scandal would have been found before he went to KU, he would have never played college basketball.

Report claims Arthur's grades altered in high school - Men's College Basketball - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3399372)

I love how you attack the journalist and his story on Mitchell yet you have no problem using that very same author's story on Darrel Arthur to fuel your angst of Kansas. This is exactly what Wade was referring to when he said you'd have no problem attacking Kansas with this same info, lol. Well done!

PS: The Arthur investigation concluded in August of 2008 and found the allegations against grade changing unfounded. The case was re-opened in October 2008, but I haven't heard of any updates since then. Either the investigation is still ongoing or else no new evidence was found and thus no story. But I'm glad you're not afraid to think the worst of Kansas' situation and the best of Missouri's, lol.

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WTF!?

Izzo is taking the Cavs job

Uh-oh. Hopefully they leave Brian Gregory alone.

Early look at players primed for a breakout season in 2010-11........

Rivals.com College Basketball - Breakout backcourt players for 2010-11 (http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094517)

B12 coaches talk about changes with realignment......

Andy Katz's Daily Word: Big 12 coaches look forward to strong basketball league in 2012 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5292910/coaches-excited-new-league-sked)

Early look at players primed for a breakout season in 2010-11........

Rivals.com College Basketball - Breakout backcourt players for 2010-11 (http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094517)
Peyton Siva is on the list but not Abdul Gaddy? Kind of a weak effort by that writer...

FYI......for those interested in some of the bigger recruits in the 2010 class. All of the games for the USA 18U team are being streamed on the internet this weekend. Here is the direct link to the feed.

FIBA AMERICAS (http://www.fibaamericas.com)

There's a list of the players on the team in this article.

Watch Tony Mitchell Play For Team USA U18 - MISSOURI OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/062210aaa.html)

ping wolfpack and UMD fans...

Haven't seen this discussed anywhere else:

NC State Wolfpack hire athletic director Debbie Yow away from Maryland Terrapins - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5327714)

How are Maryland and Pack fans reacting?

ping wolfpack and UMD fans...

Haven't seen this discussed anywhere else:

NC State Wolfpack hire athletic director Debbie Yow away from Maryland Terrapins - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5327714)

How are Maryland and Pack fans reacting?

State fans, at least on the internet, are reacting about what I expected. They hate it.

Well, that's probably being a little too general. It's more like 50-60% hate it, about 20-25% taking a wait-and-see (roughly where I am), and the rest are happy about it.

Realistically, though, there wasn't going to be a single hire out there other than maybe Wolfpack Club president Bobby Purcell who would have not drawn fire of some kind (and even then, there would have been some who would have complained about him since running a booster club is a different animal from running the whole athletics department)

Even so, the cliffjumping going on over this hire is astounding. Many who had openly applauded the new chancellor getting rid of Lee Fowler are already turning against him over this and a few more ridiculous ones are wanting to stop donations (at least to athletics) over this. The last 20 years have been so damaging to the collective psyche of the fanbase that I'm not sure we'll ever recover. Too many people have been too angry for too long and can't remeber feeling any other way, it seems. :banghead:

“I'm not saying that winning national titles is not important; it is," Calipari said. "But if you told me we'd win a national title and no one gets drafted, or you go 0-for-20 against West Virginia and five guys get drafted, you tell me what you'd want.”

I love having Calipari as coach, but he's so full of shit.

Wow, that didn't take long. Spoke with a couple of AAU circuit regulars yesterday. Said that the NCAA is currently looking into multiple possible violations by Kentucky players, both current and some that left. Violations have to do with communications with agents both before they arrived at the university and during their time at the university. You had to know it was only a matter of time with Calipari in charge, but he's only been there for a year. Goodness.

Sounds like your AAU regulars have been reading a bit too much TMZ.

Sounds like your AAU regulars have been reading a bit too much TMZ.

Article already?

Edit: Nevermind. Found it. Interesting that TMZ would be one of the first to report it. As badly as journalistic standards have slid in sports reporting over the last few months, I'm shocked that other outlets haven't leaked this yet.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/02/university-of-kentucky-basketball-sec-ncaa-probe/

The Sporting News wrote briefly about it, saying that UK hasn't been informed of any investigation by the NCAA. Who knows what might turn up, but I'm not ready to panic about it just yet.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-07-02/kentucky-hasnt-been-informed-basketball-investigation

The Sporting News wrote briefly about it, saying that UK hasn't been informed of any investigation by the NCAA. Who knows what might turn up, but I'm not ready to panic about it just yet.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-07-02/kentucky-hasnt-been-informed-basketball-investigation

When Calipari is your coach, it's a waste of time to panic. Just hope that he lands a championship before you go on probation.

The weird gets weirder...recently fired Seton Hall coach Bobby Gonzalez was arrested for shoplifting a $1400 man-purse from the Polo Ralph Lauren store in the Short Hills NJ mall.

The weird gets weirder...recently fired Seton Hall coach Bobby Gonzalez was arrested for shoplifting a $1400 man-purse from the Polo Ralph Lauren store in the Short Hills NJ mall.

If he was going for street cred for a future assistant's job somewhere, well, FAIL.

Holy Jesus. Never has 6'7" forward Tony Mitchell looked this small. That dude is TALL. See photo in article.

Giant Sim Bhullar steals show at FIBA Americas U18 tournament - Luke Winn - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/07/01/sim-bhullar/index.html)

Harris has been a constant soap opera since he signed with Georgia State. Curious to see if he makes it at UTEP, but from what I hear, there is some creative grading at UTEP if he is eligible.

Our SID has said that Floyd wouldn't have offered the guys if he didn't think they would be eligible, so we'll see what happens...

And maybe playing for Floyd at UTEP will motivate him more. My impression was that when he was at GSU he just didn't care.

Jeebs - not sure if this worries you about the kind of players Floyd continues to recruit?

Rashanti Harris Ruled Ineligible for UTEP (http://www.panthertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?1101-Rashanti-Harris-Ruled-Ineligible-for-UTEP)

Saturday, August 21: Several online reports are saying that Rashanti Harris, the gem of the 2010 UTEP recruiting class under Tim Floyd, has been ruled academically ineligible. Newschannel 9's Beau Bagley attempted to confirm this with the UTEP Basketball Team officials, but they neither confirmed or denied the report. One UTEP official told Beau that there are some changes in the UTEP basketball team, and they will all be announced at once later this month or in September before the season starts. Harris did not play last year at Georgia State due to academic issues, then decided to transfer to UTEP.

Sucks for UTEP - supposedly this guy can play, he just can't get himself eligible.

Two of the guys Floyd signed wound up ineligible. Of course, he got a late start in recruiting and had to take some risks...those two didn't pan out. I have little doubt he'll have better success down the road.

Hey since this thread is bumped, Arkansas got its first 5 star recruit in a while, BJ Young. This guy burst on the scene last summer from relative obscurity. Pel was one of the first on him, and it paid off.

Who knows, this thing could turn around. Recruiting is certainly picking up, at least.

Why don't we have a basketball recruiting thread? Someone less lazy than me, get to work.

Anyway, Mike Rice has had an amazing start to his Rutgers tenure just four months or so in. This year's team will be terrible due to the current roster and recent transfers, but he's killing it (comparatively) with recruiting. He took less money from the school in order to build a better staff of assistants with great connections in NYC, Philly, and DC and it has paid enormous dividends. In a couple weeks we've gotten a commit from the #33 player on Rivals in PF Kadeem Jack, as well as top 150 players in PG Myles Mack and C Derrick Randall, plus another guy who ESPN graded at a 93 in Malick Kone. Expecting a couple other commits soon, and the 2012 class is off to a great start with a top 50 player in Jordan Goodman.

If Rice can coach like he did at Robert Morris with this level of talent that will be on campus in a couple years, he might just get the program into the top half of the Big East.

Hey since this thread is bumped, Arkansas got its first 5 star recruit in a while, BJ Young. This guy burst on the scene last summer from relative obscurity. Pel was one of the first on him, and it paid off.

Who knows, this thing could turn around. Recruiting is certainly picking up, at least.

Of course, you forgot to mention that they landed him because there's a 99% chance this guy doesn't qualify. Pelphrey has nothing to lose I suppose.

As the IRS investigation continues at Kansas, Lew Perkins steps down one year before he planned to do so. Pretty bad omen as to what is coming. If there are issues, you want this guy separated from the program before the #@$% hits the fan. Everything points to a 'resignation' while the chancellor pushes him out the door.

Athletic Director Perkins and KU part ways one year early - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/07/2206809/athletic-director-perkins-and.html)

Kentucky recruit may have been paid by an overseas team.........

Turkish Team Says It Paid a Top Kentucky Recruit - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sports/ncaabasketball/08basketball.html?_r=2&ref=sports)

Of course, you forgot to mention that they landed him because there's a 99% chance this guy doesn't qualify. Pelphrey has nothing to lose I suppose.

Wrong. There is some chance he doesn't qualify. In fact, he has arranged things so that he can focus hard on academics. But, no, the reason he was landed was mentioned clearly in my post. The reason he was landed was not because he was academic risk. It was because Pelphrey was on him earlier than everyone else. Doesn't hurt that his family has some Arkansas ties, too, of course.

Many top teams had offered, and many huge names were approaching recently. He has not been a 5 star for a long time.

Saying there's a 99% chance he doesn't qualify is just wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

So far the only 2011 UNLV recruit I've found is Grandy Glaze who is a 3 to 4* recruit ranked between 120-140 nationally. Good thing is, he's a forward. Our frontcourt's pretty weak so he should be a pretty good pickup for the program.

Of course, you forgot to mention that they landed him because there's a 99% chance this guy doesn't qualify. Pelphrey has nothing to lose I suppose.

Is this how Missouri landed Tony Mitchell?

Is this how Missouri landed Tony Mitchell?

Partially. Doesn't hurt to have over 50 wins the last two years and top facilities either.

Big warning bells going off today at KU in the aftermath of the Perkins resignation. Multiple people involved in the scandal surrounding the ticket department have agreed to testify and cooperate with authorities. Not surprising or coincidental that Perkins would 'step down' shortly before this announcement.

Ex-KU athletics officials seek sentencing delays - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/08/2208172/former-ku-official-seeks-sentencing.html)

Wrong. There is some chance he doesn't qualify. In fact, he has arranged things so that he can focus hard on academics. But, no, the reason he was landed was mentioned clearly in my post. The reason he was landed was not because he was academic risk. It was because Pelphrey was on him earlier than everyone else. Doesn't hurt that his family has some Arkansas ties, too, of course.

Many top teams had offered, and many huge names were approaching recently. He has not been a 5 star for a long time.

Saying there's a 99% chance he doesn't qualify is just wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

You keep thinking that. I certainly understand that Arkansas fans are looking for ANY positive signs at this point around their program.

You keep thinking that.

I believe I will. Thanks for the permission.

Partially. Doesn't hurt to have over 50 wins the last two years and top facilities either.

Some how I don't think facilities and wins were what brought Mitchell to Missouri given that Mitchell's recruiting list was Georgetown and North Texas. Nothing against those three schools because they are solid, but there weren't a lot of top schools recruiting Mitchell. MBBF, you need to realize you live in a glass house.

Big warning bells going off today at KU in the aftermath of the Perkins resignation. Multiple people involved in the scandal surrounding the ticket department have agreed to testify and cooperate with authorities. Not surprising or coincidental that Perkins would 'step down' shortly before this announcement.

Ex-KU athletics officials seek sentencing delays - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/08/2208172/former-ku-official-seeks-sentencing.html)

Is this really a big deal? Who didn't know that these people who make six figure incomes and have high priced lawyers were going to help with the investigation to lessen their jail time? And how exactly does this impact Perkins and Kansas? If anything, Kansas would not have allowed Perkins to retain his bonus if he were incriminated in any of this. So that logic doesn't make much sense. Maybe you see something I'm not seeing though. Your argument would make sense if Lew Perkins wasn't given his bonus and he simply resigned. That was not the case however.

Do I know why Perkins resigned immediately? Nope. The rumor is that he was wanting to hand pick his successor and that the new chancellor was not interested. This seems to be supported as the guy Lew would have handpicked is the current interim AD and the Chancellor has already said he will not be a candidate despite his interest in the job. Personally, I would feel safer with Lew Perkins picking the new AD then I would the new Chancellor. But maybe I'm wrong about her.

Kentucky recruit may have been paid by an overseas team.........

Turkish Team Says It Paid a Top Kentucky Recruit - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sports/ncaabasketball/08basketball.html?_r=2&ref=sports)

Least surprising news ever.

Some how I don't think facilities and wins were what brought Mitchell to Missouri given that Mitchell's recruiting list was Georgetown and North Texas. Nothing against those three schools because they are solid, but there weren't a lot of top schools recruiting Mitchell. MBBF, you need to realize you live in a glass house.

It was Georgetown and Mizzou. North Texas was the local school, but was more of a nod to the coach than any real interest. Any school that did not have an African-American coach was never under consideration, so that was the reason for the relatively abbreviated list rather than a lack of interest by other schools. Many major programs wanted him, but his mom wanted her son to go to a school with a black coach. I'm not saying that's the best reason to pick a school, but to say that the big legacy schools had no interest is simply false.

But maybe I'm wrong about her.

You're wrong about Lew. Both of them have dropped the ball in a bad way and it's very harmful to the university and its reputation.

It was Georgetown and Mizzou. North Texas was the local school, but was more of a nod to the coach than any real interest. Any school that did not have an African-American coach was never under consideration, so that was the reason for the relatively abbreviated list rather than a lack of interest by other schools. Many major programs wanted him, but his mom wanted her son to go to a school with a black coach. I'm not saying that's the best reason to pick a school, but to say that the big legacy schools had no interest is simply false.

Even before his mom got involved he had KSU and Arizona State as his "leaders". And we all know he gave an early verbal to KSU until his mom got a hold of him. ASU dropped off when they started doubting he would get his academics in order. Mitchell has long been a potential academic casualty and hence why he didn't get more offers from some of the bigger schools.

Personally, I still think his mom getting involved in the middle of the recruiting process is what ended up costing him his eligibility this year/semester. If he would have stayed in Florida where KSU placed him he likely wouldn't be having these troubles.

You're wrong about Lew. Both of them have dropped the ball in a bad way and it's very harmful to the university and its reputation.

How am I wrong about Lew exactly? I feel pretty safe in suggesting the reason Lew resigned now is because he and the new Chancellor were not getting along and he wasn't going to be allowed any say in who the next AD was.

How is it harmful to the university and it's reputation any more than the fiasco Missouri went through this summer flirting with the Big Ten? And I don't see Mike Alden resigning any time soon. The only guy in Missouri's athletic department who was vocal in the public about staying in the Big 12 was Pinkel.

You know you are a risk academically when ASU thinks your grades might be bad

Why don't we have a basketball recruiting thread? Someone less lazy than me, get to work.

Anyway, Mike Rice has had an amazing start to his Rutgers tenure just four months or so in. This year's team will be terrible due to the current roster and recent transfers, but he's killing it (comparatively) with recruiting. He took less money from the school in order to build a better staff of assistants with great connections in NYC, Philly, and DC and it has paid enormous dividends. In a couple weeks we've gotten a commit from the #33 player on Rivals in PF Kadeem Jack, as well as top 150 players in PG Myles Mack and C Derrick Randall, plus another guy who ESPN graded at a 93 in Malick Kone. Expecting a couple other commits soon, and the 2012 class is off to a great start with a top 50 player in Jordan Goodman.

If Rice can coach like he did at Robert Morris with this level of talent that will be on campus in a couple years, he might just get the program into the top half of the Big East.

#12 so far in the Rivals recruiting rankings.

Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting - UK in familiar spot in 2011 team rankings (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1126129)