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DeToxRox
02-12-2009, 05:16 PM
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Your team is down by five with 12 seconds left and has just committed an intentional foul. Game over? Not if you can find a way to get eight technical fouls called on your opponent.

Rio Americano High found itself in just such a position last Friday, against league rival Bella Vista, near Sacramento. Rio's Pierce Burton tried to close the gap on a layup and was blocked and lost the ball. He then went Jeff Van Gundy on Bella Vista's Justin Haley trying to pull him to the ground. Burton received an intentional foul and was ejected from the game, but there was no shoving or yelling and no punches were thrown. The players even shook hands afterward, to show that it was all good. It all seems pretty non-eventful on the video, right?

Well, the refs conferred to sort it all out and then totaled up the damage. Bella Vista received eight free throws. (Two for the foul, plus three technicals.) Rio Americano—the team that committed the foul in the first place—received eighteen free throws. One Rio player made 17 of the shots and his team ended up winning the game by six points.

The referees contended that players from both benches stormed on to the court after Burton's foul, which is true. Okay, maybe it was more like they wandered aimlessly away from the bench for a few feet. But Bella Vista coaches say that's not the case and even if it was, that doesn't mean you give out a technical for every single one. That sort of seems to make sense too. They're appealing the decision to the league, but I think at the very least, the kid who made 17 or 18 free throws should get a ribbon or something.

Bizarre finish to boys game disputed [Sac Bee]

Groundhog
02-12-2009, 05:21 PM
The way I understand the rules, and they may have changed by now or be completely different in that state, is that any violations commited by anyone on the bench is a technical foul assigned to the "bench". If players leave the bench and step on the court, then it's one technical foul to the bench. If, after the first call, they continue to do it, it's another technical foul to the bench, which technically means the COACH gets ejected, as the fouls are assigned to him.

In this case, it should have been at most one technical foul assigned to the bench as far as I can tell.

Noop
02-12-2009, 05:23 PM
That is terrible, talk about overreaction.

JonInMiddleGA
02-12-2009, 05:26 PM
[QUOTE=Groundhog;1943288 If, after the first call, they continue to do it, it's another technical foul to the bench, which technically means the COACH gets ejected, as the fouls are assigned to him.

In this case, it should have been at most one technical foul assigned to the bench as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]

In that scenario, would it be limited to two techs per coach and subsequent acting coach(es)?

My thinking here would be two bench/coach techs & ejection.
At that point he's no longer the coach, an assistant would be.
Then that person could get a pair & an ejection if the violation continued.
Lather, rinse, repeat until you run out of coaches.

Which brings me to something I don't know that I've ever thought about, much less seen happen: what happens if all of the coaches & assistants for a team get themselves ejected? I suspect, and I'm just guessing here, it would be state-by-state on whether a team can continue without an adult/coach figure.

JediKooter
02-12-2009, 05:29 PM
Something tells me the kid who made the 17 out of 18 free throws, is not related to Shaquille O'Neal.

Crim
02-12-2009, 06:27 PM
That was some stupid shit, you can't decide a game like that. Within the rules or not, utter horseshit.

Butter
02-13-2009, 07:43 AM
Wow, that's a load of crap.

Anthony
02-13-2009, 09:03 AM
i think the refs had money riding on this game.

ref: "you there - in the stands.."

innoncent fan: "uhhhh...me??"

ref: "yes you. i don't like the face you made when i blew the whistle, i'm awarding the other team an addidtional free throw."

PackerFanatic
02-13-2009, 09:20 AM
Wow...

Maple Leafs
02-13-2009, 10:16 AM
What if there was a full-on bench clearing brawl? Do they eject almost everyone, then have one kid from each team shoot 200 free throws?

Coffee Warlord
02-13-2009, 10:49 AM
Coaches shoulda told their kids to shoot 1 technical and intentionally miss the remaining in protest.