Had a doctor, well, not yell, but chastise me pretty severely today when I went for my follow up appt after my accident last week.

He prescribed Motrin and Vicodin, I never got the Vicodin prescription filled (I am so pill-paranoid that I won't take anything that impairs me, even to sleep).

The last two nights the pain has been so intense in my arm, I found it very hard to sleep, and the doc really chewed me out for that, he said Pain is your body's way of telling you that you need to fix something. So now I gotta go out and get the damn prescription filled, and I can't even drive! *laughs*

(they are thinking a possible hairline arm fracture at this point, preliminary ER judgement was a bruised clavicle, but based on swelling and pain at this point, they think they were wrong)

Was it doctor RosenRosen?

I would never not take a prescription my doctor ordered me to take, but I would question the need for the prescription with him in the first place. If he can't explain to me why I need it, but still wants me to take it, I'm looking for a new doctor.

Sometimes they'll give a prescription as more of a "just in case", but I also make sure I get clear instructions on when they suggest I take it vs. when it's okay to blow it off.

I wouldnt have filled the prescription until it hurt so bad I couldnt sleep or my when my ears started to bleed from my wife yelling at me about getting it filled.

Never do needles, but I'll smoke anything and am down for putting anything on my tongue (except balls).

Regarding the Pain Medication, it really is a big part of healing a significant injury. If you are in pain you don't heal, because you compensate for or try to avoid the pain in other ways. Most physicians/nurses would urge someone recovering from a serious injury or surgery to take the pain meds and stay ahead of the pain. By that I mean if you are taking the pill because you are in pain now...then you are too late. You needed to take the med earlier to prevent the pain in the first place.

Had a doctor, well, not yell, but chastise me pretty severely today when I went for my follow up appt after my accident last week.

He prescribed Motrin and Vicodin, I never got the Vicodin prescription filled (I am so pill-paranoid that I won't take anything that impairs me, even to sleep).

The last two nights the pain has been so intense in my arm, I found it very hard to sleep, and the doc really chewed me out for that, he said Pain is your body's way of telling you that you need to fix something. So now I gotta go out and get the damn prescription filled, and I can't even drive! *laughs*

(they are thinking a possible hairline arm fracture at this point, preliminary ER judgement was a bruised clavicle, but based on swelling and pain at this point, they think they were wrong)

I am pretty much like you in terms of pain meds. I don;t take much stronger than a BC powder.

pain my be your body's way of tell you to you need to fix something, but pain killers just make the message quieter. I would smile and tell the doctor to go fuck himself

I am pretty much like you in terms of pain meds. I don;t take much stronger than a BC powder.

pain my be your body's way of tell you to you need to fix something, but pain killers just make the message quieter. I would smile and tell the doctor to go fuck himself

Isn't that why you go see the doctor, so you can fix whatever is wrong?

Isn't that why you go see the doctor, so you can fix whatever is wrong?


sure, if he can fix it. if you have a thorn in your foot and they pump it full of morphine, you still have a thorn in it. Would you call that fixed? Me, I want the thorn out.

sure, if he can fix it. if you have a thorn in your foot and they pump it full of morphine, you still have a thorn in it. Would you call that fixed? Me, I want the thorn out.

Oh, I agree. Some doctors are just dumb when it comes to medicine. I was thinking you meant your against all meds in any situations.

This original post was about pain meds so this may not apply to you.

But if you don't take all your antibiotics because you don't like pills, then you're an idiot. If you don't take them for a full 2 weeks or 6 months or whatever your doctor perscribes, you get what you deserve when an antibiotic resistant strain pops up in your body and you're screwed. Every once in a while they have problems with TB outbreaks because some morons don't see fit to take all their pills for the full duration and drug resistant trains that are much harder to treat start spreading. I can just hear my mom's voice saying something like "do you want to take one pill or be in the hospital".

SI

Was it doctor RosenRosen?
That sounds like a very familiar reference but I can't put my finger on it.

SI

This original post was about pain meds so this may not apply to you.

But if you don't take all your antibiotics because you don't like pills, then you're an idiot. If you don't take them for a full 2 weeks or 6 months or whatever your doctor perscribes, you get what you deserve when an antibiotic resistant strain pops up in your body and you're screwed. Every once in a while they have problems with TB outbreaks because some morons don't see fit to take all their pills for the full duration and drug resistant trains that are much harder to treat start spreading. I can just hear my mom's voice saying something like "do you want to take one pill or be in the hospital".

SI


Yeah. I agree. Trust me, having more then 40-some surgeries in 21 years, and the common dieases such as being sick, ect. I think you just need to make sure you trust your doctor, and your doctor is good in what he does.

Oh, I agree. Some doctors are just dumb when it comes to medicine.

I'd advise you to be judicious in this approach. There really aren't all that many doctors who are out there trying to give you crappy advice. Especially when it doesn't pay them to do so -- that's the best sign of all that the advice is genuine (no boat payments involved).

And this comes from a guy who basically hates doctors.

I'd advise you to be judicious in this approach. There really aren't all that many doctors who are out there trying to give you crappy advice. Especially when it doesn't pay them to do so -- that's the best sign of all that the advice is genuine (no boat payments involved).

And this comes from a guy who basically hates doctors.

I should rephrase my statement. I should of put it better.

Doctors aren't really trying to give you crappy advice. I think that experience and the understanding of the problems (which goes back to experience and the patient (does he know the patient's history, seen the patient before) you may have could be a factor.

That sounds like a very familiar reference but I can't put my finger on it.

SI

It was either him or Dr. Van Nostrum.

I know it's fairly common, but I simply don't understand the whole "anti pain meds" philosophy.

Even when there isn't a strong underlying argument for the medicine (like, in many cases, when the pain meds are important as anti-inflammatories, not just because they dull the pain) -- I just don't get the resistence. I know a lot of people feel that way, I just don't get it. It's not like there is a long track record of horrific side effects of taking these meds -- on the contrary, there's a long track record of them being quite safe.

Why sit there with a banging headache, or an arm that hurst so much you can't stand it, when there is a harmless pill to take that makes your life better? *shurg*

It was either him or Dr. Van Nostrum.
You going to tell me or am I going to have to Google it ;)

SI

Reference #1 is Fletch of course.

Dr. Van Nostrum is a Kramer.

Well, that explains it. I always kindof thought Seinfeld was stupid, so that's why I didn't get the second. Now I remember the first: it's the scene where he keeps giving silly names to the nurse in the hospital and keeps changing them. :D

SI

I know it's fairly common, but I simply don't understand the whole "anti pain meds" philosophy.

doctors are prescribing meds for what they think your feel. So it is largely a comfort thing. My pain tollerance tends to be high, so I would rather not take something I don't need. YMMV


Even when there isn't a strong underlying argument for the medicine (like, in many cases, when the pain meds are important as anti-inflammatories, not just because they dull the pain) -- I just don't get the resistence. I know a lot of people feel that way, I just don't get it. It's not like there is a long track record of horrific side effects of taking these meds -- on the contrary, there's a long track record of them being quite safe.

Why sit there with a banging headache, or an arm that hurst so much you can't stand it, when there is a harmless pill to take that makes your life better? *shurg*

most serious pain meds make me feel quite disoriented, which is less pleasent than the pain.

doctors are prescribing meds for what they think your feel. So it is largely a comfort thing.
Yeah, so of course what this means is that if your doc perscribed you pain meds then you bitched too much in his office and you're a wuss ;)

SI

most serious pain meds make me feel quite disoriented, which is less pleasent than the pain.

Now that, I find to be perfectly valid. A completely defensible and understandable position -- choosing pain over disorientation.

What I don't get is choosing pain over "just taking a pill" as a matter of principle.

Yeah, so of course what this means is that if your doc perscribed you pain meds then you bitched too much in his office and you're a wuss ;)

SI

I hope you get a papercut the next time you use lemon pepper seasoning

I hope you get a papercut the next time you use lemon pepper seasoning
That sounds rather unpleasant. I hope I don't.

SI

I find it funny that people will do all sorts of research for a car that they will drive 3-5 years, yet just arbitrarily pick a doctor for their healthcare. A car is important, but not as important as your health.

I find it funny that people will do all sorts of research for a car that they will drive 3-5 years, yet just arbitrarily pick a doctor for their healthcare. A car is important, but not as important as your health.

Give me Consumer Reports - Doctors and I'm golden.

I find it funny that people will do all sorts of research for a car that they will drive 3-5 years, yet just arbitrarily pick a doctor for their healthcare. A car is important, but not as important as your health.

This comes out of nowhere, but okay...

Isn't it possble that the difference is not in how much people care but rather in the degree to which there is easy, reliable information available? I have a primary doc I can trust for referrals, in general. But past that -- I'm not quite sure what I'd do if I had a need for a specialist in a specific area. I don't think I'd go askinf friends and colleagues if they ever had inguinal hernia surgery (or whatever) and see hiw it went, and who performed it.

Cars are easy to research, look 'em up, see who rates highly, and factor that in. Docs -- a tougher proposition, even if you really would like to do a good job with the selection. Shopping around is a bit tougher, too.

I find it funny that people will do all sorts of research for a car that they will drive 3-5 years, yet just arbitrarily pick a doctor for their healthcare. A car is important, but not as important as your health.
The way you made this statement it seems you have a solution for screening doctors. I am interested to hear what the process is. Other than going with a doctor who a friend or family member recommends (and keep in mind they likely chose that doctor after doing very little research themselves ) how do you suggest you research a good doctor?

This comes out of nowhere, but okay...

Isn't it possble that the difference is not in how much people care but rather in the degree to which there is easy, reliable information available? I have a primary doc I can trust for referrals, in general. But past that -- I'm not quite sure what I'd do if I had a need for a specialist in a specific area. I don't think I'd go askinf friends and colleagues if they ever had inguinal hernia surgery (or whatever) and see hiw it went, and who performed it.

Cars are easy to research, look 'em up, see who rates highly, and factor that in. Docs -- a tougher proposition, even if you really would like to do a good job with the selection. Shopping around is a bit tougher, too.

What he said.

Most of us are on HMO plans that don't give us a lot of choice. We can take into consideration whatever word-of-mouth references that friends and family give us regarding medical professionals, but, in most cases, you take a job, you're given a list of benefits options, and a list of healthcare providers, and that's it.

In my case, I live in a rural area. My healthcare plan demands that my wife and kids must select a primary care physician/group that is within 35 miles from my home address. Because I'm in a rural area, that limits me to basically one group of doctors.

This doesn't really bother me.

The only times we'll see a doctor:

1. Colds, flu, shots, etc.: Any bonehead from medical school can prescribe antibotics. I don't care who the doctor is.

2. Accidents (broken bone, severed artery, etc.): Going to the nearest hospital anyway. Plan covers it. I have no choice who the ER doc is under any circumstance. So, again, a non-issue.

3. Major disease (Cancer, whatever): Referred to specialist for treatment. I can take my time finding a good one while the cancer eats me alive.

4. Childbirth: With the final kid on the way, we won't have to worry much longer - but my plan, like most, lets you select an OB you like. My wife is high-risk, so we're already in a good OB clinic. Again, my choice of family doctor has no bearing on this.

So, my point is, I'm getting a lot more mileage out of my car than I am out of my primary care physician.

Like others have said, it is important to stay ahead of pain. Besides the unnatural movements that your may undertake in an effort to avoid hurting, you can have many involuntary problems such as muscle spasm around the injury.

I'd recommend taking the medication that the doctor recommended, however, I understand the reluctance to take strong pain killers. Vicodin does have a significant addictive potential, and that would make me reluctant to take it as a patient. However, I'd risk that if I was in significant pain.

Even when there isn't a strong underlying argument for the medicine (like, in many cases, when the pain meds are important as anti-inflammatories, not just because they dull the pain) -- I just don't get the resistence. I know a lot of people feel that way, I just don't get it. It's not like there is a long track record of horrific side effects of taking these meds -- on the contrary, there's a long track record of them being quite safe.


umm actually there IS a long track record of horrific side effects:) I have a nice list of NSAIDS prescribed to me of which i take none because id rather have one thing wrong with me than a handful of others caused by the medications :rolleyes: and sorry but most yeah i said MOST doctors are assholes, they treat by the book moreso than by actual experience..i had a dr "whatever" me last year then turn around and charge me 6,000 for putting me in a good amount of danger regarding a certain medication to which he never explained the direct side effects of.. so yeah, no thanks..if anything my medication was getting pissed at him and making myself better :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dont like the funny red text

dont like the funny red text

omg get overrrr ittttt :rolleyes: :rolleyes: only girls are supposed to whine :rolleyes:

Fritz IS a girl.

Do any of you have any spare oxycotin laying around?
That shizzles the izzle.

If my doctor says take pain meds, I'm taken them.. Vicodin is good shit, btw. :D

If you don't trust your doctor, get a new doctor.

If you don't like taking pills, here are some suggestions:

1. Stop smoking.
2. Eat right.
3. Exercise.
4. Get a good night's sleep every night.
5. Don't do anything stupid.

Thanks, that'll be $200, please.

I personally don't like taking pills and I avoid the OTC medications as much as possible. But listen to your damn doctor. If they say take the pills, take the damn pills. They are the experts. Or you could chose to not listen to them and let natural selection have its way with you.

omg get overrrr ittttt :rolleyes: :rolleyes: only girls are supposed to whine :rolleyes:
Well, it does smack of "I just want my text to look different than everyone else"

SI

That fact that you did not fill a Vicodin perscription....you are an idiot !

And, it kind of defeats the purpose of choosing different skins. I use "Day at the Office" because I don't want to go on any colorful websites at work. The red combined with the numerous emoticons really stands out and it sucks for some people.

And, it kind of defeats the purpose of choosing different skins. I use "Day at the Office" because I don't want to go on any colorful websites at work. The red combined with the numerous emoticons really stands out and it sucks for some people.

What she said.

umm actually there IS a long track record of horrific side effects:) I have a nice list of NSAIDS prescribed to me of which i take none because id rather have one thing wrong with me than a handful of others caused by the medications :rolleyes: and sorry but most yeah i said MOST doctors are assholes, they treat by the book moreso than by actual experience..i had a dr "whatever" me last year then turn around and charge me 6,000 for putting me in a good amount of danger regarding a certain medication to which he never explained the direct side effects of.. so yeah, no thanks..if anything my medication was getting pissed at him and making myself better :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What if that one thing is something that could very serious if not treated? Your always going to have risks in meds, but I think you would pose more risks if you did not treat something as long as you tell your doctor your history, any problems (blood pressure, past illnesses, ect). Just curious, did you read the label of the medication that dr. "whatsever" subscribed to you before you took it?

Even when there isn't a strong underlying argument for the medicine (like, in many cases, when the pain meds are important as anti-inflammatories, not just because they dull the pain) -- I just don't get the resistence. I know a lot of people feel that way, I just don't get it. It's not like there is a long track record of horrific side effects of taking these meds -- on the contrary, there's a long track record of them being quite safe.
As Loren so "colorfully" pointed out, they are actually starting to find MAJOR side effects from some of these anti-inflammatories. Vioxx and Celebrexx are both in the same class of drugs as aspirin, ibuprofen, etc, and have had to be yanked due to major side effects. Aspirin still has the ulcer issue associated with it. The latest Discover had an article talking about these.

Anti-inflammatory meds are much much different than pain killers, which I think what was mainly being discussed. You can find a laundry list of side effects for most drugs because new FDA regulations force drug companies to disclose them no matter how rare they are. So if a few people out of thousands in the study get mudbutt, they have to list mudbutt as a possible side effect.

It's not like doctors are prescribing something you don't want. You complain of intense pain, they'll prescribe you a pain killer. They're not holding guns to your heads. If you don't take the meds they prescribe you, then what was the point of going in the first place?

So if a few people out of thousands in the study get mudbutt, they have to list mudbutt as a possible side effect.

And, if one assclown with a weblog decides to post that taking aspirin made his head spin around, there will be a certain segment who will adopt that as gospel, and will advise the world population to instead start eating treebark extract or whatever is the trendy "alternative" this week.

loser: rationality
winner: people who manufacture and sell treebark extract (or snake oil of choice)

mudbutt.

that makes me laugh.

Just pretend I quoted the funny looking red text above.

Actually I'm thinking QS has more the right of this than you Loren. Most of the commonly precribed pain killers, including some NSAIDS(like ibuprofen) have a fairly innocuous list of side effects. That doesn't mean that the rare patient(You) doesn't have an occasional bad reactions. In other words, I wouldn't necessarilly blame the doctor or the Medication if you have a reaction to it. Now not all NSAIDs are as innocuous as Ibuprofen, so that may also be your specific situation. I guess I'm just saying that Most commonly prescribed pain killers do have a pretty good track record as far as side effects go.

And just to be clear on the original issue -- I completely understand people who decline to take a specific medicine because of a specific reason -- a personal side effect, specific concern about that particular medicine, and the like. I have no quarrel with that rational decision.

People who won't take acetominophen when they have a pounding headache, on the ground that "I just don't like taking medicine" -- I don't get it.

As Loren so "colorfully" pointed out, they are actually starting to find MAJOR side effects from some of these anti-inflammatories. Vioxx and Celebrexx are both in the same class of drugs as aspirin, ibuprofen, etc, and have had to be yanked due to major side effects. Aspirin still has the ulcer issue associated with it. The latest Discover had an article talking about these.
I'm no pharmacist of physician, but I think it is a bit alarmist to lump asprin and Ibuprofen into the same "class" as Vioxx and Celebrex.

I bet you are probably technically correct in that at least Ibuprofen is a NSAID. I'm not sure about asprin actually, but it does have Anti-Inflamatory properties, and it isn't a steroid so it may be. But the two newer drugs vioxx and celerex are very similar to each other in their mechanism.

In other words there is a movement to remove celebrex from the market just like Vioxx, because the drugs are so similar. There is no such movement regarding Ibuprofen or Asprin.

There's also a good deal of difference between regular, high doses of anti-inflammatories as an ongoing treatment for a long-term condition (characteristic of most Vioxx and Celebrex users) and occasionally popping a few NSAIDs because you have a fleeting pain.

I don't mean to dismiss the potential effects of drugs -- but perhaps the issues of possible risk are wholly inseparable in some people's view.

concerning my font color...that's because i AM different
i never said I had a bad reaction to any medication, i said that they actually DO have a long list of possible side effects, unfortunetly most people dont know about them...when a dr prescribes something to you he almost will NEVER tell you the long list, when you fill said prescription at the pharmacy it may come with a label stating you should take with food or maybe not drive with it but it will not list the countless possibilites..(yess i know you everything and anythings possible) but too many people dont question what a dr gives them and soo they can get screwed:) i do question..
as far as the "Whatever" dr..yeah there was NO bottle for me to read because he was going to give the injection on the spot, i had a funny feeling so i refused, he prescribed it then sent me to run every test he offered in his office..meanwhile every other patient there is getting the injections.. get home 4 hours later and i find the medication is something used in abortions..he never once asked me if i could be pregnant, soo yeah i was kinda upset and still am that such a jerk is taking advantage of soo many people and charging them up the ass for such stupid and assenine treatment..
and I went to the dr to find out what was wrong WITH me.. not for a long list of prescriptions(i dont want to hurry along liver and other organ damage, it's coming in time anyways) and disturbing treatment... as for my red color again, seriously get over it, the husband cant even see it with the skin he uses..geezz god forbid someone not be just like everyone else :rolleyes:

vicodin is yummy in my tummy.

concerning my font color...that's because i AM different
i never said I had a bad reaction to any medication, i said that they actually DO have a long list of possible side effects, unfortunetly most people dont know about them...when a dr prescribes something to you he almost will NEVER tell you the long list, when you fill said prescription at the pharmacy it may come with a label stating you should take with food or maybe not drive with it but it will not list the countless possibilites..(yess i know you everything and anythings possible) but too many people dont question what a dr gives them and soo they can get screwed:) i do question..
as far as the "Whatever" dr..yeah there was NO bottle for me to read because he was going to give the injection on the spot, i had a funny feeling so i refused, he prescribed it then sent me to run every test he offered in his office..meanwhile every other patient there is getting the injections.. get home 4 hours later and i find the medication is something used in abortions..he never once asked me if i could be pregnant, soo yeah i was kinda upset and still am that such a jerk is taking advantage of soo many people and charging them up the ass for such stupid and assenine treatment..
and I went to the dr to find out what was wrong WITH me.. not for a long list of prescriptions(i dont want to hurry along liver and other organ damage, it's coming in time anyways) and disturbing treatment... as for my red color again, seriously get over it, the husband cant even see it with the skin he uses..geezz god forbid someone not be just like everyone else :rolleyes: Can't you pick a way to be different that is easier on the eyes?

I cant believe you had to quote all that just to say what you did....wait maybe i can

Can't you pick a way to be different that is easier on the eyes?

She's very easy on the eyes.

She's very easy on the eyes.
Yes. Yes, she is. :)

She's very easy on the eyes.

ive missed you as i pass the day away at work in my little storage room office surrounded by file cabinets protecting my stapler, Suicane:(

She's very easy on the eyes. It's not about individuality or oppression of free speech or nonconformity or anything else you can muster up the rhetoric to pretend it is. It's about what Suicane is alluding to or just playing in to. If Shorty, for instance, had all of a sudden started typing in lime green or dark purple or something, everyone would be riding his ass from the moment the pixels hit the monitor until he stopped. It might even lead to a flame war as these things are wont to do with people siding on either side of the battle lines depending on whether Ben decided to ignore the protests of the complainers or took some evil dictator actions to stop the spread of fonts.

But instead, since you're one of the few girls here, no one says anything. A few hint that perhaps you're being inconsiderate, particularly to those of us who use skins that make it difficult to read that font. But all that comes of it is are a few flippant ripostes and screams of "help, help, I'm being repressed". To paraphrase someone I was chatting with earlier, this isn't individuality it's just an act of "I'm a girl and I can get these guys to do what I want".

SI

Loren,

If you don't get a very long writeup that includes side effects and possible contra-indications with other drug products from your pharmacy at least the first time fill a prescription, then you need to change pharmacies. Most pharmacies pay for software that allows them to print what is called a monograph about the drug product you are having filled. Now-a-days even the mom and pop pharmacies have the capability, sometimes they are not very diligent(read as Lazy) about printing the monographs. They are very in-depth and informative. Sometimes insurance companies send complimentary information to the pharmacy along with your copay amount that should be forwarded to the consumer as well. Really if your pharmacy doesn't provide you with the information, ask them. Providing the consumer cousel regarding prescription drugs is their role in the health care chain of events. They are paid well for their role, make sure they carry their weight.

It's not about individuality or oppression of free speech or nonconformity or anything else you can muster up the rhetoric to pretend it is. It's about what Suicane is alluding to or just playing in to. If Shorty, for instance, had all of a sudden started typing in lime green or dark purple or something, everyone would be riding his ass from the moment the pixels hit the monitor until he stopped. It might even lead to a flame war as these things are wont to do with people siding on either side of the battle lines depending on whether Ben decided to ignore the protests of the complainers or took some evil dictator actions to stop the spread of fonts.

But instead, since you're one of the few girls here, no one says anything. A few hint that perhaps you're being inconsiderate, particularly to those of us who use skins that make it difficult to read that font. But all that comes of it is are a few flippant ripostes and screams of "help, help, I'm being repressed". To paraphrase someone I was chatting with earlier, this isn't individuality it's just an act of "I'm a girl and I can get these guys to do what I want".

SI


Well since i'm the one you're responding to, i can only speak for myself when I say that i wouldnt care if Shorty started writing in all yellow hebrew.

when WHENN did i claim i was being repressed/oppressed? :confused: ??? the options are there so omg god forbid someone uses them...i use maroon or red colored font everywhere(email, chat, messenger, hell my hair's that color), trust me im not doing it FOR you to like it or get annoyed by it, so stop feeling so prissy over it :rolleyes: seems like you're having a hissy fit over nothing :confused: to the point of you having a conversation over it...oooooK then...but either way if you think im the kind of person you described in your post why would you care to read what i write in MY posts anyways?....eh whatever i gotta go nitey nites :rolleyes:

nitey nites


That is just so adorable.

... i wouldnt care if Shorty started writing in all yellow hebrew.
Writing in the snow?

Had a doctor, well, not yell, but chastise me pretty severely today when I went for my follow up appt after my accident last week.

He prescribed Motrin and Vicodin, I never got the Vicodin prescription filled (I am so pill-paranoid that I won't take anything that impairs me, even to sleep).

The last two nights the pain has been so intense in my arm, I found it very hard to sleep, and the doc really chewed me out for that, he said Pain is your body's way of telling you that you need to fix something. So now I gotta go out and get the damn prescription filled, and I can't even drive! *laughs*

(they are thinking a possible hairline arm fracture at this point, preliminary ER judgement was a bruised clavicle, but based on swelling and pain at this point, they think they were wrong)

Yeah, I'm really drug paranoid..while my gf isn't so much. It's frustrating when she'll pop a pill for whatever, whereas I'll need to be on the brink of death and even then, I avoid them.

But if it's gonna help ya out, you'd probably be better off taking it. But I totally understand.

I thought most people here used the Sideline Green skin, and therefore can't even read anything Loren says anyway. I know the only thing I've ever read of hers has been when someone else quoted it in white. But then again, maybe the fact that I use Sideline Green makes me a f*cking elitist.

Well, home for a day, still loopy.

This is the reason I avoid this shit. I hate feeling, well, for lack of a better word, Stoned.

I've been staring at a really past due review for gamenikki. Sack has (rightfully) done everything but pull out my toenails to get me to do this.

And I spent an hour and a half today, and wrote two lines, because I couldn't get my thoughts straight.

The good news is, my mind clears as the drugs fade.

The bad news is, as the drugs fade, the pain grows.

I return to work soon, at least.

Well, home for a day, still loopy.

This is the reason I avoid this shit. I hate feeling, well, for lack of a better word, Stoned.


I don't understand.

Pain Medicine does wonders for a bad back. Just take what you are supposed to, and try to avoid driving because you can be charged with OWI.

Never do needles, but I'll smoke anything and am down for putting anything on my tongue (except balls).

ahahaha i should have read this thread 2 days ago

ahahaha i should have read this thread 2 days ago
I dunno. The way you worded this, it makes it sound like you put your balls on his tongue 2 days ago and found out that was a bad idea. ;)

SI

Well, it does smack of "I just want my text to look different than everyone else"

SI or perhaps she's just the only one that isn't lazy and actually picked her own style in the user cp? i wouldn't necessarily see that as being an attention whore.


edited to add to si's later post

If I need to take any pills, I think it's obvious I am going to Ping Shorty first.

or perhaps she's just the only one that isn't lazy and actually picked her own style in the user cp? i wouldn't necessarily see that as being an attention whore.

Shorty .. Have you ever thought about being a Knight, because you reek of chivalry.

Shorty .. Have you ever thought about being a Knight, because you reek of chivalry.
the pleasure is all mine my lady

the pleasure is all mine my lady

teeheehee. you just make want to jump on your horse and ride.

i promise, it's the chivalry talking.

It's not about individuality or oppression of free speech or nonconformity or anything else you can muster up the rhetoric to pretend it is. It's about what Suicane is alluding to or just playing in to. If Shorty, for instance, had all of a sudden started typing in lime green or dark purple or something, everyone would be riding his ass from the moment the pixels hit the monitor until he stopped. It might even lead to a flame war as these things are wont to do with people siding on either side of the battle lines depending on whether Ben decided to ignore the protests of the complainers or took some evil dictator actions to stop the spread of fonts.

But instead, since you're one of the few girls here, no one says anything. A few hint that perhaps you're being inconsiderate, particularly to those of us who use skins that make it difficult to read that font. But all that comes of it is are a few flippant ripostes and screams of "help, help, I'm being repressed". To paraphrase someone I was chatting with earlier, this isn't individuality it's just an act of "I'm a girl and I can get these guys to do what I want".

SI

*removes pole from SI's ass*

Doesn't that feel better?

As for the drug thing, I try and avoid taking prescription pain drugs unless absolutely necessary.

*removes pole from SI's ass*

Doesn't that feel better?Classy.

Classy.

Using the word "classy," is classy.

Wow. This thread degenerated into Loren's thread. While I found her font to be "Look at me" at first, I realize that's just how she is. What's more annoying is her excessive use of smileys. :rolleyes: Doesn't the overuse of smileys detract from what you're trying to say?

As far as I know, I've only seen one post where she hasn't used a smiley.

Who's going to be MC of this Roast?

My only thoughts about painkillers:

1. ANY DRUG, OTC or perscription, has lots of side effects. You find what works for you and you stick with it. Me, I *do* get ill from asipirin, tylenol, ibuprofen (note these are ALL different active ingredient drugs), but if I've got a rippin' headache, I take an advil with a meal. At least it helps cut down on the pain.

2. I've had 8 surgeries, so I've got a fair stock of narcotic pain killers, too. I have extras because I never quite used them all, but without them, I was physically ill from the pain of the surgery. Their side effects suck a lot, but when you're looking at a 8-9 out of 10 on a pain scale, you do what you need to do.

3. Opiate withdrawal sucks. Shortly after my 2nd ankle surgery (I was on crutches for 6 weeks post-op), I managed to deeply bruise 2 ribs. I was on oxycontin twice a day and percocet as needed (long-acting and short-acting drugs in tandem), but I couldn't physically bear the pain of crutching with my f'd ribs. After 6 weeks, I was SICK of being on the opiates so I cut them out cold turkey. Even though I'd only been on them for 6 weeks, it was a bad 2-3 days of feeling completely flu-ish. Enough to make me never want to be an addict.

4. Since my most recent ankle surgery, I've had some chronic pain problems, and have actually been referred to a pain specialist. And this gets down to the meat and potatoes of my rant here. When you've got a real pain problem, you don't continue to take any of the drugs mentioned in this thread. You go get help from others. I've been on two drugs for about a month now, and my pain problems are much better. And, from what I've aske EF, my doctor, and others, I won't be on these drugs for too much longer.

Anything to excess is usually a bad idea. Even if it's "just an OTC" drug. Moderation is the key, and there's no reason to get on a rant because you don't like this or that NSAID. Things work better for different people, and there shouldn't be a reason to unilaterally say "all drugs are bad."

Oh and by the by Loren, I too am a female and I see NO reason to make a separate color. It just looks retarded. And if you don't trust your doctor that much, why do you still go to him/her? Trust is the first thing you look for. If you don't like one, find another.

/tk

hmm for some complaining that i want attention ya sure gave me some even when i wasnt around :rolleyes: (look an emotie) anywayssss...too many people here assume things, and ya know what they say about THAT, except im not being the ass:) ..soo umm yeah i dont see that dr at all..he just sends me invoices..thanks for sharing you're a girl..nice colors in your siggie there..
and Shorty you look good in urine infection green :p (i shall burn in emoticon hell for that one)

Was it Doctor Feelgood?

I've heard he's the one that makes you feel alright.

SI

I've had 9 surgeries. Just a little advice, if a doctor ever offers you versed instead of knocking you out, take it, its awesome (for those who like a mind-bending experience).

I've had 9 surgeries. Just a little advice, if a doctor ever offers you versed instead of knocking you out, take it, its awesome (for those who like a mind-bending experience).

I can top that. 40-some surgeries in 21 years lifes of life. My next one is in early March at Mass General (8 hours to drive back, and 8 more to drive home). They give you meds in surgery, before (as soon as they put in that IV, they start giving you morphein I believe, atleast for me), and after, and you really don't have a choice. I will say, it does help, though IV's aren't fun.

I can top that. 40-some surgeries in 21 years lifes of life. My next one is in early March at Mass General (8 hours to drive back, and 8 more to drive home). They give you meds in surgery, before (as soon as they put in that IV, they start giving you morphein I believe, atleast for me), and after, and you really don't have a choice. I will say, it does help, though IV's aren't fun.
What kind of surgeries? :eek:


I only once had morphein and I vomited after taking it through an IV.

EDIT: Come to think about it, I've had a lot more than 9- the 9 I mentioned were major, the rest, countless from birth to now were all minor ones.

What kind of surgeries? :eek:


I only once had morphein and I vomited after taking it through an IV.

EDIT: Come to think about it, I've had a lot more than 9- the 9 I mentioned were major, the rest, countless from birth to now were all minor ones.

Numerous Oral and Maxillofacial surgeries, ear reconstruction surgeries, hand and thumb surgeries, trachestomy surgeries, and some other small things.

Numerous Oral and Maxillofacial surgeries, ear reconstruction surgeries, hand and thumb surgeries, trachestomy surgeries, and some other small things.
Wow, congrats on living.

Wow, congrats on living.


Thanks....I think :confused:

Nothin life or death. When I was born, for first month or so of my life, I guess it was (not sure of the whole story). I have a syndrome called Nager's Acrofacialdysistosis Syndrome.

and Shorty you look good in urine infection green :p (i shall burn in emoticon hell for that one)
thanks sugarplum

I've had 9 surgeries. Just a little advice, if a doctor ever offers you versed instead of knocking you out, take it, its awesome (for those who like a mind-bending experience).
Unless, you are like me and allergic to it and get massive breathing problems as a result. :\

Only really bad part about that was that on my most recent surgery my anesthesiologist didn't bother to note that on my chart so ended up giving me some, making my hospital stay longer than it should have been (overnight instead of outpatient). And I lost my tongue ring. :(

/tk

opiates give you major constipaton. :eek: !!

When you guys are in surgery, and they give the anesthesiologia, do you feel like your spinning around the room and all you hear are the staff talking you in a deep voice, but you hear nothing else? I've had that experience a few times. Kinda scary.