I myself shoot at least twice a month at the local ranges. Havent gotten into handloading quite yet, need to get the proper equipment. So any other fofc'ers shoot here?

I have a Smith & Wesson model 57 .41 Magnum, 4 inch barrel nickel plated.

Shots great, mild kick to it, but thats what makes it great!

What's the point? And this isn't a bating question I just want to know what you get out of going to the range and shooting a gun.

I have a drawer full of socks and an ant colony.

I have a super soaker...

I'm ardent.

I have a rubberband gun in my desk at work.

If a secretary gets out of line, WAP, right in the ass!

What's the point? And this isn't a bating question I just want to know what you get out of going to the range and shooting a gun. driving range, batting cage

driving range, batting cage

I believe (if I took your answer correctly) that you can actually use the skills acquired in a driving or batting cage in actual functions IRL (playing golf/baseball/softball). Now, unless you hunt with a handgun (which I kinda doubt), that doesn't really apply to the gun range...

My dad hunts deer with a handgun. He also has hunted pheasant and duck with a hand gun.

My dad hunts deer with a handgun. He also has hunted pheasant and duck with a hand gun.

Then your dad is allowed to go to a gun range and shoot a handgun. Proceed. :D

My dad hunts deer with a handgun. He also has hunted pheasant and duck with a hand gun.

I hunt afoci.

I believe (if I took your answer correctly) that you can actually use the skills acquired in a driving or batting cage in actual functions IRL (playing golf/baseball/softball). Now, unless you hunt with a handgun (which I kinda doubt), that doesn't really apply to the gun range...

Many many hunters with a handgun....and those who require a gun for thier line of work, it behooves them to practice at the range.

And dont knock it untill you've tried it. i have my hobbies you have yours.

And dont knock it untill you've tried it. i have my hobbies you have yours.

Can I knock the who sock/ant thing without trying it. Please.

What's the point? And this isn't a bating question I just want to know what you get out of going to the range and shooting a gun.


No, its certainly not a baiting question.

what i get out of it? for one i take the practice for work. Two, its developed into a nice hobby.

Many many hunters with a handgun....and those who require a gun for thier line of work, it behooves them to practice at the range.

And dont knock it untill you've tried it. i have my hobbies you have yours.

I'm not knocking it, anything that is practice for a skill you'll use is fine. Obviously law enforcement would use a gun range, as would hunters. I was just kinda reading into Bosco's question is all.

I know people that just go to shoot a gun yet don't hunt EVER, which is kinda dumb to me. I would never go to a range and hit golfballs if I didn't play (and suck at) golf.

I waiver on the gun ownership issue, but I won't have on in my house, as I don't want to risk having my kids hurt themselves with it. Besides, I doubt I would use one, so what would be the point?

I hunt afoci.

And like most things you do, you are really bad at it. National Title game, National Trainer election, Paper Rock Scissors, being cool, etc.

I don't shoot much (less than once a year), but I have a few weapons. Currently, I have a M1 Carbine (early style), Winchester 1300 shotgun, and Remington Rand .45 automatic.

I don't hunt, and doubt I ever will.

I don't hunt, and doubt I ever will.

This excludes the possiblity of an open season on really short people who aren't midgets, correct.

I know people that just go to shoot a gun yet don't hunt EVER, which is kinda dumb to me. I would never go to a range and hit golfballs if I didn't play (and suck at) golf.
Many people think golf is dumb. Does that mean it is? Or maybe it is something that they enjoy but you don't?

By the way, I'm not a shooter or a hunter, but I don't think people are "dumb" because they enjoy something I don't.

I know people that just go to shoot a gun yet don't hunt EVER, which is kinda dumb to me. I would never go to a range and hit golfballs if I didn't play (and suck at) golf.
Although I haven't been on a range in what seems like forever now, I'll offer up a little something anyway.

I don't hunt, don't really need weapons skills for work, etc., when I was shooting somewhat regularly I'd say it was similar to how some people feel about their golf habit or whatever. In other words, target shooting wasn't "practice" (like a golf range) but rather it was akin to playing 18 holes.
The firing range itself was the end, not the means-to-an-end.

What's the point? And this isn't a bating question I just want to know what you get out of going to the range and shooting a gun.
It's fun! What do you get out of playing Front Office Football?

I believe (if I took your answer correctly) that you can actually use the skills acquired in a driving or batting cage in actual functions IRL (playing golf/baseball/softball). Now, unless you hunt with a handgun (which I kinda doubt), that doesn't really apply to the gun range... I go to the batting cages all the time but haven't played baseball in over 5 years

eh, shooting for the sake of shooting just seems boring to me that's all but whatever floats your boat.

eh, shooting for the sake of shooting just seems boring to me that's all but whatever floats your boat.

here that gun owners... you have Chubby's permission!

/breaths a sigh of relief

by the way, has anyone shot the Springfield Sub-Compact XD?

here that gun owners... you have Chubby's permission!

/breaths a sigh of relief

by the way, has anyone shot the Springfield Sub-Compact XD?

lol, there's nothing wrong with it. i won't thread-jack into a 2nd amendment tangent which is where i'm sure this thread will end up.

but i mean, it's legal and as long as safety procedures are followed is harmless so I don't care what other people do.

/looks for phone number to cam's new show so I can call in and rail against all guns :p

I would love to try skeet-shooting sometime...

I don't hunt and would never own a gun,
but I'd love to go to a shooting range sometime. I'd also rather go to a driving range than play 18-holes of golf.

I don't see what the big deal is against it.

I waiver on the gun ownership issue, but I won't have on in my house, as I don't want to risk having my kids hurt themselves with it.

I just know if we had a gun, one of my cats would find it and use it on the dog. Then probably frame the other cat.

I would love to try skeet-shooting sometime...

I agree. That looks like a lot of fun too.

I would love to try skeet-shooting sometime...
I've done a little years ago. It was fun. As a matter of fact, the church I was preaching for at the time sort of sponsored a skeet-shooting day every year. :D

I'd rather people shoot for pleasure at a range then down my street. And as to what the point may be if you are not going to do it anywhere else, well........i'm sure some of us around here masturbate even though they won't get to use that skill in a real situation (with a woman)..... :D

Peter Gallagher: "Know what I do when I feel like that?"

Annette Bening: "What?"

Gallagher: "I fire a gun."

Bening: "Really?"

Gallagher: "Oh yeah, I go to this little firing range downtown, and I ... just pop off a few rounds."

Bening: "I've never fired a gun before."

Gallagher: "Well, you've gotta try it. Nothing makes you feel more powerful."

Bening: "I've never fired a gun before."[/font]

Gallagher: "Well, you've gotta try it. Nothing makes you feel more powerful."

If you are trying to insinuate that i fire the gun to boost my own sense of self being you are wong, its a hobby. Why cant you get that?

If you are trying to insinuate that i fire the gun to boost my own sense of self being you are wong, its a hobby. Why cant you get that?
Dude, relax... I was just being funny.

Oh, and I'm not wong. I'm not even Asian.

i shoot myself in the foot on a regular basis.

Chubby, do you ever play darts?

Chubby, do you ever play darts?

Yup, the more I drink the better I play too. Was thinking about getting in the tourny that's coming up here in NY (saw a poster in my dad's friend's bar). Darts = free drinks :D

Are you going to use darts for hunting and/or in your profession?

I'm not a big gun fan - I highly doubt I'll ever own one and I have no interest in hunting. I support stringent gun ownership requirements, mandatory safety lessons and limits on what kinds of firearms are allowed for public ownership.

That said, one of my favorite things to do in Scout camp was the .22 rifle range, and the one time I got to try skeet shooting it was great fun. I have no problems with either activity, and if someone wants to go fire off a few clips with a handgun at a shooting range, why not?

I do get a little uncomfortable with the way some gun owners get a little too attached to their guns, almost like a fetish...

Are you going to use darts for hunting and/or in your profession?

Like I said, darts = free drinks therefore it has value :D

I just don't understand the fun in operating a device that's sole purpose is to kill. Unless you're a hunter or a law enforcement agent I don't see the point. I don't think I'll ever fire a gun or own one, I personally would be afraid to have one in my home, but to each his own.

Although I haven't been on a range in what seems like forever now, I'll offer up a little something anyway.

I don't hunt, don't really need weapons skills for work, etc., when I was shooting somewhat regularly I'd say it was similar to how some people feel about their golf habit or whatever. In other words, target shooting wasn't "practice" (like a golf range) but rather it was akin to playing 18 holes.
The firing range itself was the end, not the means-to-an-end.


I think everyone here has already established that you're a redneck, but thanks for confirming it.

I think everyone here has already established that you're a redneck, but thanks for confirming it.

I once licked the ass of a deer I shot. All I tasted was fear. He must have had Mexican.

I got nothing.

My wife and I just decided that we need to get a rifle or shotgun after we had some coyotes and wild dogs running around on our acreage which could be dangerous. I have never hunted or even fired a gun in my life, so I will absolutely get some training and head to the range every once in a while to make sure I don't shoot an appendage off if I ever have to use it (which I hope I don't).

I just wanted to chime in as a person who will hit the range but never plans on hunting or using it for my profession.

I've used my 9mm to kill a fox that got into my chicken coop a few months back...

I am deeply saddened to say that this thread has supplied me with enough evidence to commit a second FOFC member to my ignore list.

I just don't understand the fun in operating a device that's sole purpose is to kill. Unless you're a hunter or a law enforcement agent I don't see the point. I don't think I'll ever fire a gun or own one, I personally would be afraid to have one in my home, but to each his own.

What about for personal protection? You know there are bad people out there, right?

I am deeply saddened to say that this thread has supplied me with enough evidence to commit a second FOFC member to my ignore list.

I haven't done it yet, but I'm ohhhh so tempted, and I figure we're talking about the same person.

I haven't done it yet, but I'm ohhhh so tempted, and I figure we're talking about the same person.

If you don't agree then block it out.

I haven't done it yet, but I'm ohhhh so tempted, and I figure we're talking about the same person.
Did that last night.

For what it's worth, I never owned a gun, never fired one and won't have one in the house. Fortunately, I don't need to but I do respect the right of others to own one, as long as they don't abuse the right and know how do to do things right. Not everyone lives in nice safe neighborhoods and bad guys will always have weapons, as they have throughout history.

I don't get this whole business of threatening to "ignore" someone. Wow, I'm impressed. Somehow I doubt that saying "Ohhhh I'm about to put someone on ignore" is going to make someone a) care what you think or b)flip flop their position so as not to get put on ignore.

Take your ball and go home if you want, no one really cares.

Did you say something Chubbs? :D

I don't get this whole business of threatening to "ignore" someone. Wow, I'm impressed. Somehow I doubt that saying "Ohhhh I'm about to put someone on ignore" is going to make someone a) care what you think or b)flip flop their position so as not to get put on ignore.

Take your ball and go home if you want, no one really cares.

And its not as though anything I've actually said is meant to be taken seriously. Other than the fact that baseball does have more strategy involved than football.

What about for personal protection? You know there are bad people out there, right?

Do you really need a gun for personal protection?

Do you really need a gun for personal protection?


Hey maybe he lives in Compton.

Do you really need a gun for personal protection?
What would you use then? Isn't it the old adage about detterent(sp?)? If the attacker knows you are not defensless or possibly could hurt you, wouldn't the attacker think twice? That's human nature, isn't it?

Did you say something Chubbs? :D


lol

Ugh, I figured this was going to get into a gun-rights issue. What's the big deal with having a gun for protection? I don't see one. Now, do you need an uzi or assault rifle for protection? I would say no to that tho the NRA would vehemently disagree.

There is actually a shooting range right on our property. It is mostly used by my brother in law for sighting in his rifles. He is a hunter. I am not a hunter. I shoot skeet twice a year. New Years and the Fourth of July. I occasionally do target shoot with handguns. .22, 9mm, and rarely a .45.

On the first date with my wife she confided with me that she owned a Glock 9mm. I nearly blew wine out of my nose.

I used to lean toward favoring fairly strict gun control, after being exposed to my in-laws and their gun enthusiam, I have changed my stance on the issue. They are extremely responsible, and safety is THE word of the day. Now my asshole of a neighbor that showers my house in pellets every dove season is the other side of the gun safety coin.

Do you really need a gun for personal protection?

I dont have one, but I do live in a town with a lot of home invasions/whatnot.(Norfolk VA). I think about getting one, but I probably wouldnt. But if I were to ever get mugged, now....

What would you use then? Isn't it the old adage about detterent(sp?)? If the attacker knows you are not defensless or possibly could hurt you, wouldn't the attacker think twice? That's human nature, isn't it?

There's other methods of self-protection that are effective while not being nearly as lethal. I've seen enough evidence to convince me that owning a gun greatly increases your risk of being shot - either by yourself, a family member, or an assailant who's become that much more likely to shoot you. In my mind whatever deterrant it might provide isn't enough to overcome this risk.

I dont have one, but I do live in a town with a lot of home invasions/whatnot.(Norfolk VA). I think about getting one, but I probably wouldnt. But if I were to ever get mugged, now....

In the case of a home invasion, would owning a gun do much good? Chances are such a situation is going to be a surprise occurance - unless you have your gun on you at all times, what are the chances you'd be able to get to your gun without them stopping you, and if you did, then what? If they have guns, they might just feel more inclined to use them if you've drawn one on them.

Even if you keep your gun on you at all times, if they're armed as well would you be able to get your gun out in time to do anything without them shooting you first?

How often do home invasions happen anyway?

How often do home invasions happen anyway?
Sadly, it only takes once.

And on that note, I'm outta this one.

I don't get this whole business of threatening to "ignore" someone. Wow, I'm impressed. Somehow I doubt that saying "Ohhhh I'm about to put someone on ignore" is going to make someone a) care what you think or b)flip flop their position so as not to get put on ignore.

Take your ball and go home if you want, no one really cares.

You're riding the line, pal. Don't make me do it... don't... Chubby... ;)

As much as I disagree with you Chubbs, you have contributed some things in your rather distinguished tenure around here which is more than I can say for some others.

BTW, I don't think someone saying that they're going to put another on ignore is meant to do either of the two things you mentioned. It's simply meant to express the incredible lack of worth another person represents in your eyes. :D

You know, the right to bear arms wasn't put into the constitution for protection against muggers or burglars...

It wasn't put there for hunters, skeet-shooters, or gun fetish nuts, either.

It was put there to give the people the ability to keep their government honest. An armed population makes a despot think twice about taking the government hostage.

You know, the right to bear arms wasn't put into the constitution for protection against muggers or burglars...

It wasn't put there for hunters, skeet-shooters, or gun fetish nuts, either.

It was put there to give the people the ability to keep their government honest. An armed population makes a despot think twice about taking the government hostage.Exactly right. Which why a good portion of the govt wants to severely reduce that right so they have more power over you. Remember how the Amer Revolutionary War started, the British went out to confiscate the guns stored in Concord. Think about it in a more general way. If the govt starts passing laws to put a camera in every home or to confiscate your home to protect the house fly or to prevent you from voting, how are you and those who disagree going to fight back? Wouldn't an armed mob be one solution. Remember, they got the armed forces and locally, the armed police force on their side. What do you have on your side?

Personally, I still wouldn't carry a gun unless they threaten my family because there are other ways I can fight. But that wouldn't be true for everyone.

You're riding the line, pal. Don't make me do it... don't... Chubby... ;)

As much as I disagree with you Chubbs, you have contributed some things in your rather distinguished tenure around here which is more than I can say for some others.

BTW, I don't think someone saying that they're going to put another on ignore is meant to do either of the two things you mentioned. It's simply meant to express the incredible lack of worth another person represents in your eyes. :D

Just a note. I personally didn't threaten to put anyone on my ignore list. I flat out did it. My doing it is not meant to make that person care (if I cared what they thought, they would not be on my ignore list), to make them change (if I thought they were going to ever change, they wouldn't be on my ignore list), or to impress anyone. My sole reason for posting the fact that I'm now ignoring someone is that I think finding users that are obnoxious enough to end up on my list is newsworthy since it doesn't happen all that often.

Apparently, there is no way around seeing what ignored users posted via the quote mechanism in others' posts.

You know, the right to bear arms wasn't put into the constitution for protection against muggers or burglars...

It wasn't put there for hunters, skeet-shooters, or gun fetish nuts, either.

It was put there to give the people the ability to keep their government honest. An armed population makes a despot think twice about taking the government hostage.
or it just provides for an armed, well-regulated milita... depending on how you apply the commas and poor grammar.

or it just provides for an armed, well-regulated milita... depending on how you apply the commas and poor grammar.

yeah, I'll have to go say hi to the militia that we have... :rolleyes:

Sadly, it only takes once.

And on that note, I'm outta this one.

Well, too bad you didn't answer my points about how much owning a gun might or might not help you in such a situation. I suspect a cell-phone would end up being more effective in most such situations than a gun...

Exactly right. Which why a good portion of the govt wants to severely reduce that right so they have more power over you. Remember how the Amer Revolutionary War started, the British went out to confiscate the guns stored in Concord. Think about it in a more general way. If the govt starts passing laws to put a camera in every home or to confiscate your home to protect the house fly or to prevent you from voting, how are you and those who disagree going to fight back? Wouldn't an armed mob be one solution. Remember, they got the armed forces and locally, the armed police force on their side. What do you have on your side?

Personally, I still wouldn't carry a gun unless they threaten my family because there are other ways I can fight. But that wouldn't be true for everyone.

No offense Bucc, but this sure seems like an extremely paranoid view. You talk about the government as though it were some alien, outside group.

The whole point about responsible gun ownership and the ability to use your weapon for self-protection. Now i know personally if i had a home invader, it'd be his mistake.

I don't see that it matters why people want to own a firearm. you don't need a "reason" to buy most other things.

yeah, I'll have to go say hi to the militia that we have... :rolleyes:
DO we need to discuss the meaning of "provides for?" Doesn't neccesitate, only provides for.

And JeffNights, so based on your statement, if you murder an intruder, you can't claim self-defense.

DO we need to discuss the meaning of "provides for?" Doesn't neccesitate, only provides for.

And JeffNights, so based on your statement, if you murder an intruder, you can't claim self-defense.



i beg your pardon????? I have the right to shoot a home invader if i feel if my life or my family's life is threatned. And I damned sure would feel that way when a man breaks into my house by force, i dont what he wants, and what he has.......

The right to shoot someone is where?

I think your confusing right with ability.

The right to shoot someone is where?

I think your confusing right with ability.


I just explained a home invader would be threatning my life and my family's.

In America, you have the RIGHT to use lethal force if your life or someone elses is in great danger.

Its a law, not my opinion.

While the topic of Home invasions is most likely a bit of a sensitive topic here, I'd add that just a few months ago here in Fresno there was a home invasion that was stopped by a homeowner with a gun. It was in a poor neighborhood, and some city boys had taken to busting in doors, and taking peoples savings at gun point. This guy decided to buy a hand gun for protection. When the thugs broke in the guy with the gun was in his bedroom, and grabbed his gun. The bad guy came in the door, and they exchanged a few rounds. The bad guys ran, and when the police came they found the bad guy, a local eighteen year old, dead on the back lawn.

There was also news of a local deputy who was visiting his father, when a couple guys broke in and put a gun to his fathers head. The off duty cop stepped out from around a corner, and dropped them both. Now that is an extreme example, because he obviously had the training to handle the difficult situation.

I think the "if you have a gun at home you are more likely to be shot" is highly dependent on the home in question. Some people should not have guns.

The right to shoot someone is where?

In Texas, it may not be a right, but I am pretty sure it is allowed by law. Well assuming that person is commiting a violent crime (or is it just any felony?)

I just explained a home invader would be threatning my life and my family's.

In America, you have the RIGHT to use lethal force if your life or someone elses is in great danger.

Its a law, not my opinion.

At worst, if someone were to break into your house and you capped them, you might get arrested, but those type of cases would be hard for the prosecution to prove that you "murdered" someone. In the dark of the moonlight anyone busting into your house is fair game.

And perhaps this is an issue that we should all let go(the home invasion one).

Thank you, that was my point exactly.

No offense Bucc, but this sure seems like an extremely paranoid view. You talk about the government as though it were some alien, outside group.
Please review your American history. The British Crown and Parliament were the alien, outside group trying to control the American colonies. Read about those who were held in bondage by local and state govts and backed by armed forces in the South. Conversely, the Southern States felt that the Federal Govt were an alien, outside group controlling their economy, their ports and their culture (and came after them with a large army and navy). In the late 1800s, the railroad, mine and factory workers tried to organize and strike but were repeatedly struck down by the Federal Govt and their hired guns and militias. The Japanese-Americans during WW2 mostly were law-abiding citizens and the Federal Govt came after them and threw them in camps guarded by armed men from the US Army. Civil Rights? Vietnam in enforcing an unpopular war upon the people and the protesters? Some say it's a parallel to today. Waco and the Branch Davidians? The Cuban kid taken by force out of Miami? No, the brilliant men who wrote the Bill of Rights and the Constitution knew all about an outside, alien govt controlling their lives through armed forces (of all sizes). Just as many throughout our history has.

Here's what I don't get: How could anyone participate in this thread and NOT expect it to turn into this? I would think that many of you have been around here long enough to not be so short-sighted.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Thats right...when confronted with facts you responded with childish insulting movie quotes... yeah i'll really take anything YOU say seriously now...

Thats right...when confronted with facts you responded with childish insulting movie quotes... yeah i'll really take anything YOU say seriously now...
That was at Bucc, not you

Anyway, the FBI reports that 42% of all robberies were commited with firearms. You have a 6 in 10 chance of being wrong that an intruder is carrying a gun. Unfortunately I can't find the # of deaths with fireams in home invasions.

The right to shoot someone is where?

I think your confusing right with ability.
It varies from state to state. In Colorado, we have the "Make My Day" law that makes such an act legal (as long as it can proven that it was an intruder intent on doing physical harm).

dola, I respect you wanting to protect your family, but I don't believe firearms are the way to do that.

also, another FBI stat (here is the site if you want to poke around for other info http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/wuvc01.htm)



Victim self-defense

Between 1993 and 2001, about 61% of all victims of violent
crime reported taking a self-defensive measure during the
incident.

Most used nonaggressive means, such as trying to escape,
getting help, or attempting to scare off or warn the
offender. About 13% of victims of violent crime tried to
attack or threaten the offender. About 2% of victims of
violent crime used a weapon to defend themselves; half of
these, about 1% of violent crime victims, brandished a
firearm.
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"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
You didn't say why? Do you not know the events of the Revolutionary period and why the 2nd Amendment was added in the phrase that it was written?

It varies from state to state. In Colorado, we have the "Make My Day" law that makes such an act legal (as long as it can proven that it was an intruder intent on doing physical harm).
so this would apply if they had weapons or some sort of assault, correct. I understand in an instance you must be able to make a snap judgement. But if a person is sifting through my possessions (and not posing a physical threat), are they worth my or their life?

I would never own a gun, but I don't really see anything nothing wrong with people owning most guns. But is it really necessary to own an assault rifle though? The only reason for those are to kill people.

so this would apply if they had weapons or some sort of assault, correct. I understand in an instance you must be able to make a snap judgement. But if a person is sifting through my possessions (and not posing a physical threat), are they worth my or their life?



I know this isnt posed directly at me, but i'll take a stab.

every situation is different, If i ran upon that situation, i'd draw down and tell them to freeze, and wait for police.

I'm not saying i'd just open up on a home invader, you have to make quick decisions yes, but its still a law that you can defend yourself. with that, i am all done with this topic...as i certainly didnt want to start any type of flame war.

You didn't say why? Do you not know the events of the Revolutionary period and why the 2nd Amendment was added in the phrase that it was written?
The people were afforded the rights of a state run militia to protect them from the potential of another oppresive government. To me, this doesn't afford everyone the right to bear arms UNLESS you are part of said militia. If South Carolina wants a militia and people join it, let them have guns. Of course, I think the federal government of today would frown on it, so thats that.

As to the examples (and I don't think my answers are necesarily correct, just my answers.

Southern States - end slavery. Yes, there were other motives, but I don't think this is an instance of an oppressive alien government.

mines/factories... - ? can't say.

Japanese - I don't agree with it, and the government has since rejected the reasoning of the day, but at the time we were at war (their reasoning). The areas were declared military zones under the law of the military. That essentially suspends habeas corpus.

Vietnam - Once again, I can't say I agree with the reasoning, but it became immensly unpopular only after we started "failing." I again don't see this as an oppressive regime, only a misguided one.

Waco - They were not an official militia and the government needed to protect the citizens from the harm the people may cause. Of course there was too much force though.

Cuban Kid - Wasn't he an illegal immigrant? Based on laws he has to be sent back.

You give the Federal Govt much more license and motives than what the Constitution allows them. That is unfortunate.

I would never own a gun, but I don't really see anything nothing wrong with people owning most guns. But is it really necessary to own an assault rifle though? The only reason for those are to kill people.
Which is my position as well.

I would never own a gun, but I don't really see anything nothing wrong with people owning most guns. But is it really necessary to own an assault rifle though? The only reason for those are to kill people.

Which is a perfectly valid, and perhaps the MOST valid reason to own a firearm.

I own a 357 and a shotgun. The shotgun I purchased because a friend of mine's father was selling it for a good price, and it's fun to take to the range. The 357 stays in my nightstand as it is extremely easy to handle in an extreme situation that I hope never happens. (For anyone considering purchasing a weapon for home defense, by the by. Revolver or Shotgun. You don't want to fuck with an automatic in the middle of the night.)

Anyway, the point of that little excerpt. Banning an assault rifle on the basis that it's only use is to kill people is Not A Good Reason. Hell, I wouldn't even want an assault rifle as a weapon of choice to kill people. Odds are I'd be pretty damn scared if I had to use a firearm to defend myself, and I want a simple firearm in that event. (See: Revolver).

And banning an assault rifle because it is a lousy choice in a personal life or death situation (which I would say it is) is also Not A Good Reason.

Homer: I'm sorry I lied to you, Marge. But this gun had a hold on me. I felt this incredible surge of power, like God must feel when he's holding a gun.


I hunt afoci.
Be vewy, vewy qwiet...


And dont knock it untill you've tried it. i have my hobbies you have yours.
Whenever a friend of mine hears that, he responds with "I've never done X but I'm pretty sure I can knock it" where X is something like chop off a limb.


"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I love this movie quote and I can never seem to find it online when I want to quote it (to verify the quote so I don't butcher it).

SI

No offense Bucc, but this sure seems like an extremely paranoid view. You talk about the government as though it were some alien, outside group.

Have you ever read any political threads here?

I would never own a gun, but I don't really see anything nothing wrong with people owning most guns. But is it really necessary to own an assault rifle though? The only reason for those are to kill people.


Why should necessity be an issue?



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Also, your statement about "assault rifles" is incorrect. Using either legal or common definition of an Assault rifle, all you have a feature rich rifle. The only feature on many "assault rifles" that is not common to "sporter" rifles is the ability to take a bayonet. The other key elements - semi automatic fire, detachable box magazine, flash suppressor are present on "sporter" arms as well.

The primary difference (as far as most folks are concerned) is that assault weapons look different.

I would own a gun if I could find a foxy little number that would fit in my Kate Spade handbag.

I own a little bit of everything, shotguns, rifles, a few hand guns.
My favorites: Colt Python .357 magnum & .45 Kimber Custom 1911 (just like SWAT uses only in stainless). They are the most accurate hand guns I've ever owned. The Colt is just plain fun to shoot. I've probably ran close to a thousand rounds through it and it's still just as perfect as the first day I shot it. The Kimber is pretty new and after meeting some of the company's Reps in Las Vegas at the shot show last month, Kimber has quickly become one of my favorite manufacturers.

But if a person is sifting through my possessions (and not posing a physical threat), are they worth my or their life?

Knowing I'm going to regret this. . .

Here's the way I look at robbery:

1. I have a television that I purchase for $800 dollars.
2. I make, say, $10 an hour.
3. That television "cost" me 80 hours of my life (before taxes).
4. The guy who breaks into my house to steal my television is actually stealing 80 hours from my life.

If he's willing to be so cavalier with the life he's stealing from me, I have no problem being cavalier with the life I take back from him with my shotgun.

so this would apply if they had weapons or some sort of assault, correct. I understand in an instance you must be able to make a snap judgement. But if a person is sifting through my possessions (and not posing a physical threat), are they worth my or their life?

And you know they don't pose a physical threat because?

The guy who breaks into my house to steal my television is actually stealing 80 hours from my life.

Probably a lot less than FOF though right?

Knowing I'm going to regret this. . .

Here's the way I look at robbery:

1. I have a television that I purchase for $800 dollars.
2. I make, say, $10 an hour.
3. That television "cost" me 80 hours of my life (before taxes).
4. The guy who breaks into my house to steal my television is actually stealing 80 hours from my life.

If he's willing to be so cavalier with the life he's stealing from me, I have no problem being cavalier with the life I take back from him with my shotgun.
Dude, if you make $10 an hour, you have no business owning an $800 TV... or a house, for that matter.

Probably a lot less than FOF though right?

That's why I have a line of slugs on my mantle with the names of game designers on them. One day they'll accept my invitation to dinner. . .







Bah. Who am I kidding. I don't invite game designers to dinner. I've got my hands full just trying to keep the women in all the pits in my back yard. Yowling harridans all of 'em!

Dude, if you make $10 an hour, you have no business owning an $800 TV... or a house, for that matter.

Feh. I stole the TV from the owner of the house I'm living in after I shot him with my shotgun and tossed his body into a pit.

It seems that there would not be a gun issue if people used them properly (but that's just silly). One of the very few good points from Moore's Bowling was how a violent culture begets violence.
Given that we have such a violent gov't, means of enterainment and means to rationalize both it's no wonder that this is a sticky issue.