Getting this thread up early.

Only post/view this thread if you've seen the movie. I want us to be able to post spoiler-free.

With that said...

Who's going at midnight?

*raises hand*

Matinee tomorrow afternoon on the Imax. Pumped.

Got my ticket.

I'll be there tonight. Going to catch a Dayton Dragons (rain pending) game with some friends prior and grab dinner afterward. Hopefully I'm not too drunk for it.

I haven't been this excited about a movie since The Dark Knight, probably.

I'm really glad its almost 3 hours long. That's a selling point for me.

I'm really glad its almost 3 hours long. That's a selling point for me.

Not sure if serious.

I believe his seriousness.

I probably won't see it until next weekend. Too much to do this weekend, I think. Last time I was excited for a movie, period, was Star Trek. After this, it's probably the Abe Lincoln movie.

Should be great!

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the length as well. Just going to sit back and take it all in, and dive into the story and the action.

I have no issue with the run-time. Some of the greatest movies ever made run over 3 hours.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the length as well. Just going to sit back and take it all in, and dive into the story and the action.

And pray your bladder hold out.

And pray your bladder hold out.

Have you seen my handle? We train for this shit.

I prefer long movies. They are typically among my favorites. I figure it has to do with the longer the movie, the longer the story, the longer the entertainment.

My bladder is a beast, man. I am serious though about the 3 hours. I wish it was 10. I've yet to be bored by anything I have seen in a Chris Nolan film. He is on par with Paul Thomas Anderson and the Coen Bros for me. Man Of Steel should also turn out awesome.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the length as well. Just going to sit back and take it all in

That's what she said.

That's what she said.

oof

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Gonna watch Batman Begins and The Dark Knight on Blu-Ray Saturday, then go to DKR on Sunday.

IMAX tomorrow at 11:30 am, WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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From the Dark Knight Rises Trailer thread...


Originally Posted by Grover

3. John Blake becomes Robin. It seems odd to me to have a supporting actor cast as just a do-gooder cop outside of Jim Gordon that would seem to have a major role. I feel like there's more to Blake than meets the eye in a number of ways.

*bow*

The 3 hour part won't bother me, unless it's like the last Batman flick where they tacked two movies that were too short by themselves together to make one longer one.

A couple people on my Facebook who saw it said it was very solid and a proper ending to the trilogy. Neither were going "OMG, best thing ever!" Both of them are people I would trust for knowing what a good movie is.

Very very good movie.

Probably liked the 2nd movie better.

But, as an ending to the trilogy, it was as good as I could have hoped for.

My theater did a marathon of all 3. In that context I can firmly say:

1. The second movie is the best
2. This is a good movie
3. Batman should never have saved that kid in the narrows who grew up to be Jeoffrey Lannister.

Damn you, Batman, for murdering Ned Stark.

I'm going this afternoon, but I will say I'm not as excited as I once was. Only going today because of the kids.

Just got back from the theater. Brilliant movie!

I'm not sure if I'd say it's on better than TDK, but I think it's on par with it. It was a brilliant ending to the trilogy, which I think gives it a slight bonus.

It's extremely hard to make a sequel that equals or surpasses a very good original. They did it with TDK.

But making a threequel that stands up to the first two movies? How often has that been done? Really? Return of the King, okay. What else? Anything?

I thought it was better than TDK, but I didn't care for the second movie being as dark as it was.

As far as a movie goes I was blown away. There was a point where there was enough plausible reality that the bad guys could pull this off. The movie was gritty and painful, it was a lot more like the first movie than the second.

I would certainly recommend it to people who liked the first two.

So I really have never cared for Robin as a character at all. I liked the way that the movie handled it, and it never became a duo. That was ok. The path that someone travels is as important as the character they become.

I still think that Batman should have been killed off outright, and in a way, I guess he was.

NightWing?

This movie was much more plausible that TDK. I bought the logistics of this one. The Joker as a perfect villain with thousands of henchmen able to account for numerous untold scenarios? Not so much.

It was ok. Not even in the same league as the second (or really even the first). Predictable story, mediocre acting. Felt a lot like the latest Spiderman in this.

Saw it at IMAX, really enjoyed it. I liked #2 better, but this one is certainly not much of a drop off.

One thing that bugged me though was...

... why did this 'unstable' nuclear core have an EXACT time it was going to explode? And how on earth did Bruce Wayne, having spent the entire time the bomb was captured and discussed in a dark hole somewhere, know that it would be 18 hours before it blew up as soon as he got back into Gotham, before he'd even spoken to anyone?

I liked it.

If you take each movie in a vacuum, they all made awesome stabdalone films. To tie them all together in a trilogy? Nolan did the franchise well.

Saw it today. Really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if this is better than the 2nd, but It did do a good job as the conclusion of the trilogy.

It was rather good and a proper ending to the series, but failed in a number of spots to put it at a truly great level. I think Rotten Tomatoes rating of 87% is about right. Once it was over I was OK with going home. Avengers made me want to go instantly get another ticket and watch it again. I did find a movie talking about a city needing a hero to be a symbol of hope for them while PSU is tearing down Paterno's statue fascinating.

I liked this one much better than the second, which was very good but a little over the top. I thought the last 45 minutes were special.

I liked it but I didn't really love it. Of course part of the issue is that I read quite a bit of Batman and some of the stuff in the show just rubs me the wrong way (but that's just the comicbook fanboi in me).

I think one of the big surprises for me was Anne Hathaway's Catwoman. When she was originally cast, I wasn't impressed. Some of the pictures that were released early on also didn't look great. However, I think she did a very good job as Selina Kyle.

Overall probably a 6.75-7 for me.

I think it was a great movie solely because all the Steelers except for Hines Ward were killed.

I liked the No Man's Land influence. I'd love to see a Batman live-action movie that basically IS 'No Man's Land'. I feel like that could be an awesome movie.

I think it was a great movie solely because all the Steelers except for Hines Ward were killed.

I guess I don't remember seeing he was, but he was a side item at that point.

Saw it yesterday. I agree with a lot of what has already been said. I liked it, but it wasn't better than the second one. I really liked Bane and I thought Anne Hathaway was great.

One thing I didn't catch was why Bane has to wear the mask. I couldn't hear what was said we they were talking about that.

i believe they cut his face all up, and the mask provided him with some sort of gas that helped him manage the pain.

One thing I didn't catch was why Bane has to wear the mask. I couldn't hear what was said we they were talking about that.

I'll answer in a spoiler...

The mask delivers some kind of constant drug to deal with pain. In one of the flashbacks they showed his face was just mangled in the prison cell place, and the pain is unbearable without the mask. That's why Batman started targeting it in their second fight, trying to break it.

Looks like $162 million for opening weekend. Would have liked to see what would of happened without the tragedy.

Saw it last night and surprisingly was able to avoid any talk of the movie before going. Solid ending to the trilogy and I thought it was great. I would rate all three movies as top notch.

My personal favorite is Batman Begins which I thought should have been up for best picture. I was always going to go see it but wasn't really excited about it but simply a Batman fan. My son happened to go to a midnight showing in Shakopee, Mn. (~3 hours away from our house) and phoned me around 2:30 a.m., waking me up, to tell me he'd be home the next night and we had to go to see it. He was right, Batman Begins "blew me away" and was totally unexpected for a superhero flick.

Dark Knight of course gave us Ledger\Joker and while a bit over the top was very enjoyable.

And now DK Rises while not as flashy was well written and a great ending to the series. Always a good chance a final picture like this will leave one thinking it would have been better if it hadn't been made at all. Not a problem for DKR, I left the theater satisfied. I do look forward to it coming out on blu-ray so I can watch it a few more times. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of little things I will pick up with each screening.

So how fast can the Bat fly. Because they were worried about being within a six mile radius of the bomb and having it destroy Gotham. There was almost exactly 1 minute left when he flew the bomb out to sea. The fastest recorded helicopter went 321 mph at its peak. To get at least 6 miles into the bay, the Bat had to have been going at least 360 mph, which it never seemed to come close to doing at any other point in the movie.

haven't seen it yet but i tend to agree with the red letter media guys on everything and they liked it so i'll probably check it out when it hits the drive-in (yes, we still have one)

So how fast can the Bat fly. Because they were worried about being within a six mile radius of the bomb and having it destroy Gotham. There was almost exactly 1 minute left when he flew the bomb out to sea. The fastest recorded helicopter went 321 mph at its peak. To get at least 6 miles into the bay, the Bat had to have been going at least 360 mph, which it never seemed to come close to doing at any other point in the movie.

I questioned this as well, it just didn't seem plausible that he got it far enough away in time. Plus it presumably blew up over top of the water, right? So wouldn't radiation be blowing all over Gotham soon after? I feel like all those people cheering were going to get some nasty side effects down the road.

Does plausible ever really matter in a movie like this? :)

Does plausible ever really matter in a movie like this? :)
right. you have to be able to compartmentalize the silliness with the spectacle that is 'summer movies' i think nolan does a pretty good job of that.

it's like when the shark comes out of the water at the end of jaws. your brain is saying, 'that's the dumbest thing i've ever seen' but it's not enough to ruin everything else.

Spoiler?

I'm fine with compartmentalizing, as long as the logic within the movie is consistent. If it wants Bruce to be able to recover from a broken back in 5 months, that's fine, since he recovers from a stab to the kidneys in 5 minutes. But don't tell me one thing, then have it be the complete opposite 2 hours later.

the shark jumps out of the water at the end of jaws

Wait, what? There's a SHARK IN JAWS?!?

if you call a big blue turd with a bear trap for a mouth a shark, then yes, there was a shark in jaws

Getting this thread up early.

Only post/view this thread if you've seen the movie. I want us to be able to post spoiler-free.

With that said...

Who's going at midnight?

*raises hand*

!!!

Spoiler?

I'll refer to you the above, posted as the #1 post in the thead. ;)

Bruce Wayne is Batman.

Ahh fuck it, I was pretty sure Pumpy was the Batman.

I am pretty sad that nobody has congratulated me on being right about John Blake / Robin.

That was pretty duh IMO.

From the Dark Knight Rises Trailer thread...



*bow*

hey man, congratulations

That was pretty duh IMO.

I called it days before the movie, before we even knew what John Blake would be doing in the movie ;)

I am pretty sad that nobody has congratulated me on being right about John Blake / Robin.


That was a good call. I still hate Robin.

If anything DKR serves as a nice origin story for the new Batman/NightWing/whatever he's called.

JGL has to be bound for 3 films, even if they never happen.

Loved seeing scarecrow one more time.

As far as villains go, we still can have 3-4 big name ones show up in this world. Penguin strikes as an obvious choice for a multi film arc. The Joker didn't die. The Riddler and Mr Freeze could be used better.

They can drop the league of shadows stuff too.

If anything DKR serves as a nice origin story for the new Batman/NightWing/whatever he's called.

JGL has to be bound for 3 films, even if they never happen.

Loved seeing scarecrow one more time.

As far as villains go, we still can have 3-4 big name ones show up in this world. Penguin strikes as an obvious choice for a multi film arc. The Joker didn't die. The Riddler and Mr Freeze could be used better.

They can drop the league of shadows stuff too.

Where is the love for The Clock King!

the shark jumps out of the water at the end of jaws

I was referencing EasyMac. By the time I actually posted, it came later so it looked off. People originally posted stuff as spoilers so I went along.

I was referencing EasyMac. By the time I actually posted, it came later so it looked off. People originally posted stuff as spoilers so I went along.
bruce willis is dead the whole time

I am pretty sad that nobody has congratulated me on being right about John Blake / Robin.
congrats. i never would have guessed. i thought he was in there to be the new batman for the eventual reboot

If anything DKR serves as a nice origin story for the new Batman/NightWing/whatever he's called.

JGL has to be bound for 3 films, even if they never happen.

Loved seeing scarecrow one more time.

As far as villains go, we still can have 3-4 big name ones show up in this world. Penguin strikes as an obvious choice for a multi film arc. The Joker didn't die. The Riddler and Mr Freeze could be used better.

They can drop the league of shadows stuff too.

Okay, this is probably a stupid question here, but what is JGL?

There are apparently rumors that at some point we'll see a Justice League movie. DC Comics trying to build up their own "Avengers".

Okay, this is probably a stupid question here, but what is JGL?

Joseph Gordon-Levitt - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330687/)

There are apparently rumors that at some point we'll see a Justice League movie. DC Comics trying to build up their own "Avengers".
in the future every movie will require at least one superhero

congrats. i never would have guessed. i thought he was in there to be the new batman for the eventual reboot

That was my second guess.

Wouldn't mind seeing a Batman Beyond type movie in the future.

Just saw it on IMAX - Loved it, though I did think The Dark Knight was better. Quite a great ending to the trilogy and I loved that it wasn't all action sequence after action sequence but actually explored questions of popular uprising and the identity of a super hero.

I took the Joseph Gordon Levitt being named Robin as a nod to all those people who were scared Robin was going to be in the films and ruin it - Nolan basically saying, HA, Robin is in it ;).

The ending actually pissed me off. Or at least one specific part of it.


The part where Alfred goes to Italy and oh look there's Batman and Catwoman. I'm like way to completely undercut and diminish the emotional impact of everyone believing Bruce Wayne was dead. That was just terrible. Save that for the beginning of the next movie. Don't undo what would have set up to be a powerful ending.

On the flip side, Anne Hathaway = best.Catwoman.ever.

Overall I liked it, but didn't love it. The Dark Knight was vastly superior to this IMO.

Just saw it. Enjoyed it, but the ending was a cliche unworthy of Nolan, including foreshadowing that was as subtle as a mallet - I mean, the Alfred request? Ie, either kill off "Batman", or kill off Bruce Wayne and let the idea of a Batman continue with John Blake. A very well done movie with plenty of food for thought above the standard "superhero" movie, but that ending and the lack of consequences, so to speak, bothered me.

I would have liked it even if Alfred had looked over, and they never showed Wayne + Selina; anything to leave some ambiguity out there. Instead, they want for the duh ending, which bothered me a little bit


Edit, seems like Imran highlighted the same issues.

Ah, but how do we know if Bruce really survived? Or if that was just what Alfred wanted to see?

Just saw it. I was eh. The few Batman fight scenes were horrible, the plot was bleh. The special effects and Catwoman were cool.

Just saw it. Enjoyed it, but the ending was a cliche unworthy of Nolan, including foreshadowing that was as subtle as a mallet - I mean, the Alfred request? Ie, either kill off "Batman", or kill off Bruce Wayne and let the idea of a Batman continue with John Blake. A very well done movie with plenty of food for thought above the standard "superhero" movie, but that ending and the lack of consequences, so to speak, bothered me.

I would have liked it even if Alfred had looked over, and they never showed Wayne + Selina; anything to leave some ambiguity out there. Instead, they want for the duh ending, which bothered me a little bit


Edit, seems like Imran highlighted the same issues.


I'm not Imran, even though our nicks both start with I. ;)

Ah, but how do we know if Bruce really survived? Or if that was just what Alfred wanted to see?

Thought it was pretty clear, with the missing necklace being the cincher. Ie, this isn't inception :D

Going to throw out a couple of silly thoughts, not even on the main parts of the movie:

I was happy to see it at the only true IMAX in Houston. We got there like 45 minutes early (oops) so we got good but not great seats. But, again, it's the only IMAX in town on the 2nd weekend of the biggest movie in the summer so the theater should be full and was. It's great/frustrating/stupid to watch people come in with 5 minutes to go and look towards the middle, where we were sitting, and try to determine where there were single seats available that, frankly, all belonged to people in the bathroom or at the concession stand right before the movie starts. In other rows, there were even a couple of people that cam halfway down the row only to be turned back. Really? You come in with 5 minutes to go and there's 2 awesome seats in the middle? You think no one in the last 30 minutes noticed those seats? You think that purse in the seat next to a guy doesn't throw up some flags?

I think the movies are quite solidly (2) TDK, (3) TDKR, then (1) BB. I can't think of another movies series that went 231. Anyone? Usually 1 is the best and there are a couple of series that go 213 (Terminator, arguably Star Wars, arguably Alien) but has there every been a 1st movie good enough to spawn sequels that was beaten by the next two movies?

Christopher Nolan has some bizarre day/night problems that seem somewhat comical to me. He wants his chase scenes in the dark but he starts some of them in the daylight. (I don't think I'm spoiling anything here so no spoiler tags). For instance, a major scene starts in the New Yor-- Gotham Stock Exchange in bright daylight. The chase ends in pitch black night. So either the chase scene was a 6+ hour (assuming the latest possible daylight time around 3pm and earliest pure dark in autumn of 9pm) rampage through Gotham or we just played really fast and loose with time. It happened another time in TDKR but I forget where (some scene with Kyle, I think) and it also happened once in The Dark Kinght where they went underground and come back out with it being daylight when they started and dark when they leave.

SI

nobody remembers, for example, the horrible boat voting sequence in the Dark Knight? I see the criticisms for this one. Generally a horribly telegraphed ending, the Tate reveal didn't have enough build up.

I think this is my new favorite trilogy of movies.

No movie is perfect and I do think the boat voting scene was extraneous but it wasn't terrible- it was just extra. However, I think TDK is the superior movie of the two. The pacing was much better and I'll take Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart over Tom Hardy and Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Also, my opinion may change but I suspect some things won't hold up on a second or third viewing, which I haven't given TDKR.

SI

The ending actually pissed me off. Or at least one specific part of it.


The part where Alfred goes to Italy and oh look there's Batman and Catwoman. I'm like way to completely undercut and diminish the emotional impact of everyone believing Bruce Wayne was dead. That was just terrible. Save that for the beginning of the next movie. Don't undo what would have set up to be a powerful ending.

On the flip side, Anne Hathaway = best.Catwoman.ever.

Overall I liked it, but didn't love it. The Dark Knight was vastly superior to this IMO.

Agreed with your spoilered part. In fact, I think the whole "discovery that he wasn't dead" bit just made the whole funeral thing seem like a waste and pretty mediocre, which is a shame, coming as it did at the end of the movie and being the sort of "lasting taste" of the movie.

I thought Bane was crazy, but not really scary, if that makes sense? Not really a frightening villan. Liked the twist with Tate being the ultimate bad-guy, definitely didn't see that coming.

Did anybody else find it extremely obvious that the solution to getting out of the hole-prison was to do it without the rope? I think I was saying that after the first time. LOL.

Also agree that they could have filmed it and then saved it for the beginning of the next movie...would have been like...infinitely more powerful that way.

Good movie, not a great movie. I probably would have been irritated if I went to a nighttime show and paid full price, but I went yesterday at 11am so got $6 tickets, which I think was a good price.

Everyone plays loose with the day into night stuff. Walking Dead days have 68 minutes of daylight.

If we're to believe it was Christmas, and Gotham is NYC, it does go from day to night very quickly that time of year. Say 5-6

(not that they were actually going for that). :)

Start at 1:30. Now try to not see Heath doing the Joker.

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I finally saw this yesterday.

I thought it was great. A little over complicated and convulated. I feel like it tripped over its own feet at times and all of the complexity was a bit unnecessary, but at its core it was a very solid film with some great performances.

It was great ending to the trilogy and did a fantastic job of tying together all of the various themes and events from the prior two films and creating a whole narrative arc.

I will miss the fact that we don't have another Nolan Batman film to look forward to, but I will look forward to the next Nolan picture regardless.

I'm not Imran, even though our nicks both start with I. ;)

I took it as a compliment for you ;).

nobody remembers, for example, the horrible boat voting sequence in the Dark Knight? I see the criticisms for this one. Generally a horribly telegraphed ending, the Tate reveal didn't have enough build up.

I think this is my new favorite trilogy of movies.

Wow. The boat voting sequence was one of my favorite moments in the earlier film. I loved the whole bit with the prisoner throwing the detonator in the water.

Wow. The boat voting sequence was one of my favorite moments in the earlier film. I loved the whole bit with the prisoner throwing the detonator in the water.

This! The boat voting scene was absolutely brilliant!

it was the whole point of the movie. 'when the chips are down these civilized people will eat each other.'

The only reason I call it extraneous is that we had already shown people would tear each other apart in other scenes. However, it makes a great scene for Tiny Lister.

SI

Wow. The boat voting sequence was one of my favorite moments in the earlier film. I loved the whole bit with the prisoner throwing the detonator in the water.

I probably watched TDK every day for 6 months cause it was showing at work. It's possible that the boat scene was one that I got bored of so quickly. And it became a joke to me.

I know it's a comic book movie, but seriously consider the sheer amount of manpower. And contingency and logistics required to make the Joker's plan come to fruition.
He is a reactive villain his schemes are written more or less from the end to the front. Genius performance or not, on your 47th time watching things start to seem absurd.

The opening robbery scene, however, rivals anything else ever put on film.

on your 47th time watching things start to seem absurd.
i defy you to watch anything 47 times and not think it's absurd. particularly a summer movie

The only reason I call it extraneous is that we had already shown people would tear each other apart in other scenes. However, it makes a great scene for Tiny Lister.

SI

Yeah, but this scene showed they can rise above it, that even the worst in society can display a humanity that the Joker just doesn't comprehend. I honestly think the movie is incomplete without this scene.

Yeah, but this scene showed they can rise above it, that even the worst in society can display a humanity that the Joker just doesn't comprehend. I honestly think the movie is incomplete without this scene.

Indeed. That there is a spark of good in humanity, even at the most chaotic. And then its revisited again in TDKR by Bane (or, rather the League of Shadows tries it a third time - seems the Joker whether he knew it or not, was revisiting the goal of the League in TDK).

Wow. The boat voting sequence was one of my favorite moments in the earlier film. I loved the whole bit with the prisoner throwing the detonator in the water.

I agree with this 100%.

I'm a big fan of this trilogy, Batman Begins and Dark Knight were a couple of my favorite movies, so I have a lot of thoughts on this last one. Batman Begins floored me when it first came out because it was like someone looked in my head and found the exact Batman movie I would want, without me even knowing it. The tone is exactly what I would want to see, pitch perfect. I went out of each of those two movies totally wowed at what Nolan pulled off, that I could have never come up with myself.

I did not feel that way about Rises. I liked it. But I walked out, like I do most big budget movies, particularly comic book movies, thinking about how it could have easily been done better. I felt like he swung and missed on a lot of things and ended up with something that felt rushed, wasn't clear on the theme like the other two were, and didn't get the job done in a lot of scenes.

I think looking at it globally there were two big problems: starting with the "8 years later" setup, and then trying to do too much in one movie. I think this would have made a fantastic two movie setup, with the first movie ending with Bane breaking Batman, and the second movie about his rise. Give us time to care about Miranda or Selina or Blake or even Bane. Then give them each their time to change.

I could go on a lot about what i would change, I've been thinking about it a lot. Which is a mark of a good movie, that it deserves that much thought. One of the positive surprising things is how many things I thought would go poorly that actually went great. Basically the movie turned out the inverse of what I expected: my issues were with things I love in the other movies (pacing, thematic punch, characterization, acting). The things I expected to not like:

-Catwoman. I did not expect this to work well, the pictures of the costume looked stupid to me, I was dreading this. But they really pulled her off. I don't feel she got enough time to actually develop as a character, but she was a totally appropriate and exciting film version of Catwoman.

-Bane. Oh good, try to make a cool realistic movie version of one of the silliest characters ever. I thought this could be a train wreck. But I actually loved him. I think that Nolan did not zero in enough on what Bane's character was, but Hardy did a fantastic job with him, and I think he pulled off being a menacing and adequate followup to Joker. And I really loved the voice. I want something that will make me sound like that.

-Robin. Everyone's complaining about this in the fan sites, but I liked the way they handled that. A lot of it didn't make sense, but I liked that they made a little nod at the Robin tradition while totally subverting it.

-The Bat. I was 100% sure I would hate the new toy that they're undoubtedly required by Warner Brothers to insert in the movie. It just seemed it would be way over the top from the gritter Batman I like. But it actually looked great in the film, and just worked, as silly as it should have seemed.

-Weightiness. I wasn't sure that they could follow up Dark Knight, which had these really powerful ideas being thrown about and real drama. How do you do that, then come back and have a batman fight a catwoman and a wrestler? But I felt they pulled this off. This movie felt momentous, and while I felt like it didn't present a clear theme, it did feel like it mattered.

So I'll give some props to Nolan and company, but I'm a bit disappointed overall with the movie. I wonder how much Ledger's death threw Nolan's ideas askew, how much he had planned that he had scrapped. I wish he had stepped back, realized he had a lot going on, and thought about signing on for another movie and doing this one right. I think it is good enough to have been worth it.

holy shit this is a long movie. Does anyone edit anything anymore? I don't need Alfred talking some condescending bullshit for half the movie.

Once you know the twist involving the major character, the movie loses a lot.

I thought the film was the best sequel that could have been done after the Heath Ledger tragedy. It was really more of a sequel to the first film than the second one. It would have been interesting to see what the film would have been had Heath been alive and able to play teh Joker.

Yeah finally saw this today. Accidentally read a spoiler a few days ago about part of the ending...

...JGL becoming Batman

Thought it was a pretty solid movie, although:

the jumps in time sorta got me. Like, one second Bruce is in the cell in some presumably foreign country, next second he's snuck his way back in to Gotham city and 3 months have passed.

Thought the ending was great though, all of it.

Yeah, my wife found the time jumps really confusing. I'm still surprised at how poor the editing was in the movie, as well as some of the dialogue.