Report -- Pittsburgh Steelers can't find hotel, to travel Sunday for game at New York Giants - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8580972/report-pittsburgh-steelers-find-hotel-travel-sunday-game-new-york-giants)

We all know how big a Giants fan I am, but I think this is absurd.

G-Men!

I find it fascinating that the Chiefs have not been in the lead for 1 second of regulation this season. Believe I read somewhere that it's been 70 years since that has happened.

I find it fascinating that the Chiefs have not been in the lead for 1 second of regulation this season. Believe I read somewhere that it's been 70 years since that has happened.

Norv Turner will cure them of what ails them. :lol:

Romeo begs to differ!

Norv Turner will cure them of what ales them. :lol:

We have the thread winner right here. Never underestimate what Norv can do.

Aqib Talib traded to New England Patriots by Tampa Bay Buccaneers - ESPN Boston (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8580848/aqib-talib-traded-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers)

Patriots get cb Aqib Talib from TB. Apparently he's tall which is something.

the Chiefs are really bad

LOL @ Phillip Rivers

You know it's a bad pass by Rivers when it causes the team to get booed off the field at halftime even though they're up a touchdown.

So what was that...a review w/o SD having to ask for a review?

Norv lives to coach another week!

I wonder if Norv dressed as a zombie on halloween.

Report -- Pittsburgh Steelers can't find hotel, to travel Sunday for game at New York Giants - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8580972/report-pittsburgh-steelers-find-hotel-travel-sunday-game-new-york-giants)

We all know how big a Giants fan I am, but I think this is absurd.

What's absurd about it? It doesn't seem like they have any other good options.

G-Men!

:confused:

I'm going to go ahead and post it here so that I can look silly in 2 days... But I think my Titans have a pretty good chance of beating the Bears this weekend.

I'm going to go ahead and post it here so that I can look silly in 2 days... But I think my Titans have a pretty good chance of beating the Bears this weekend.

I certainly hope so!

What's absurd about it? It doesn't seem like they have any other good options.

Postponing the game til Tuesday? Moving it to Philly?

Postponing the game til Tuesday? Moving it to Philly?

I guess those things are absurd, but the article doesn't mention them. Are those ideas being considered or something?

Those were just 2 quick options off the top of my head better than "no hotel-LOL U"

Kick some kids out of a dorm if you have to.

It's not like there's zero hotels in the NYC metropolitan area with power, they just figured it'd be impolite to try arrange accommodations with any of them.

"Before we looked for another one (hotel), we decided we just didn't feel right about asking employees at any of the hotels down there to start making a bunch of extra efforts to accommodate us, when so many of them are having issues themselves," a senior Steelers official told ESPN's Rachel Nichols.

Not sure why they just couldn't stay in southern CT or north, more inland Jersey. I don't think it'd be impolite to offer any hotels there their business.

They should just move the game to Pittsburgh. The Giants lose a home game, but that didn't stop the NFL from moving a NO home game to NY after Katrina.

F you Norv...F you.

Minnesota had their home game in Detroit a couple years ago too.

Minnesota had their home game in Detroit a couple years ago too.

They weren't playing Detroit though.

F you Norv...F you.

i bet SD finishes strong, end up 9-7 and get into the playoffs. then Norv will get a contract extension :lol:

Sean Payton deal with New Orleans Saints voided by NFL, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8592214/sean-payton-deal-new-orleans-saints-voided-nfl-sources-say)

Interesting.

Sean Payton deal with New Orleans Saints voided by NFL, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8592214/sean-payton-deal-new-orleans-saints-voided-nfl-sources-say)

Interesting.

Sigh, well 2006 - 2011 was a great run. Looks like we're rapidly falling back to the Saints I knew grewing up.

Sunday NFL Countdown has taken a major nosedive this year. Fox has been un-watchable since...well...forever. ESPN used to put some half-way decent programming on Sunday mornings, but now it's just 2+ hours of filler, and 1 hour of Giants/Jets coverage.

Sunday NFL Countdown has taken a major nosedive this year. Fox has been un-watchable since...well...forever. ESPN used to put some half-way decent programming on Sunday mornings, but now it's just 2+ hours of filler, and 1 hour of Giants/Jets coverage.

You have a serious hard on for the Giants, did Hakeem Nicks fuck you sister or something?

Unfortunately the Redskins chance of beating the Panthers took a hit when MeAngelo Hall was only fined and not suspended for being a petulant 2-year-old last week.

You have a serious hard on for the Giants, did Hakeem Nicks fuck you sister or something?

Yes.

Who smeared dookie all over the Redskins helmets?

There might be a new sack record set in the ARZ/GB game.

Those o-lines are brutal.

Those Redskin throwbacks are slick.

Cobb for the TD. FF waiver pickup...wewt.

Remember when Patrick Peterson was Patrick Peterson?

Remember when Patrick Peterson was Patrick Peterson?

I remember him being a below-average to average CB, and a great return man.

Refs blow the whistle saying D'Angelo Williams is out of bounds. Redskins defense stops on the whistle. Williams runs to the end zone anyways. Refs convene and call the play a TD.

#BringBackTheScabs

How many people called Dolphins and Colts meeting in week 9 with both having winning records?

How bout that "feel like Titans might beat the Bears" pick? The Bears should just punt to us, their fucking punt return and defense would beat us.

Bears have 38 total yards and 21 points in the 1st quarter.

How bout that "feel like Titans might beat the Bears" pick? The Bears should just punt to us, their fucking punt return and defense would beat us.

Yep, if someone else had not commented on it by now I figured 28-2 was time to bring it up.

Bears have 38 total yards and 21 points in the 1st quarter.

Make that 54 yards and 28 points.

Yep, if someone else had not commented on it by now I figured 28-2 was time to bring it up.

I just hope the Bears don't decide to break their own record for largest margin of victory, because I'm pretty sure they could.

Looking forward to seeing the Bears get man-handled by the 49ers on MNF in two weeks.

They didn't score, but man do I applaud Shanahan for repeatedly going for it on 4th down.

Washington converts two fourth downs on the same drive against Carolina, gets down to the Carolina 1, goes for it on 4th and goal, but can't convert that one, no points, but Carolina pinned quite deep.

They didn't score, but man do I applaud Shanahan for repeatedly going for it on 4th down.

Agree.

Great run by Bush puts Dolphins up 17-10.

Ehhh not good that my fantasy opponent has the Bears D/ST.

Gabbert. 4-7 for 10 yards. That's nearly impossible

4/7 ain't half bad!

The refs are doing everything they can to hand the Panthers this game. Two atrocious calls on this drive and the gift TD earlier where they ignored the whistle they blew.

31 points on 81 yards total offense. That's some serious efficiency ;)

My FF opponent has Leshoure (3 TD's in the first half) and the Chargers D/ST.

So much for this week. I need Vick to have one of his 450 total yard, 5 total TD games.

Maybe the Bears should have their defense play both ways?

Jordy Nelson is out with a high ankle sprain. Randall Cobb might turn out to be the best waiver wire pickup I've ever made.

31 points on 81 yards total offense. That's some serious efficiency ;)

Forte is ruining their efficiency on this drive.

Gabbert. 4-7 for 10 yards. That's nearly impossible

I can beat that.

.

.

Maybe, but if the Seahawks make him throw beyond the line of scrimmage all bets are off.

Why hasn't Jacksonville cut Gabbert yet?

Ron Rivera makes his first challenge of the season in Week 9, better late than never Ron. Giants (?) haven't either

Why hasn't Jacksonville cut Gabbert yet?

As a Jacksonville owner in a Bad QB League, I would strongly oppose this action.

Those Redskin throwbacks are slick.

Cheerleader outfits not so bad either.

And uh, D. Hall. Dunno where he was looking on that play.

There goes my survivor pick run. I thought picking against the Panthers would be a good idea this week, expecting to see the Redskins from the close games against the top NFC teams and the bunch of winning efforts. :redface:

Why are the Browns beating the Ravens? They even had a bye week.

Ravens have yet to see a running play they could stop?

My TE has negative 1.7 points this week.

Great.

*update* Every single player on my opponents team has 12+ points, including the Kicker (15 points). fmffl

Charles Tillman has forced 4 fumbles today. Chris Palmer should have to hold onto a football for 30 seconds while being pepper sprayed and tazed to keep his job.

Wasn't fond of that decision by Rivera to go for the FG.

If RGIII doesn't calm down, he's going to get broken in half before his rookie year is over.

It wouldn't be a Redskins game without all those crucial penalties.

Well, the Skins lost. Looks like Romney is going to reign supreme for the next four years.

The refs are doing everything they can to hand the Panthers this game. Two atrocious calls on this drive and the gift TD earlier where they ignored the whistle they blew.

I want to hear the full explanation for the Delay of Game against the Panthers when the official stood behind the center (waiting for the refs to count the players according to the announcers), then backed off to let them snap with about 2 seconds left on the playclock.

Luck: 30-48, 433 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.

Ap with over 100 yards and 2 tds already.

Why are the Vikings bothering passing. What a way to kill a drive. Four running plays where three are at least 15 yards, then 3 passing plays for -4 yards.

Ponder sucks.

Ehhhhhh.....I don't think I would have called that.

Horrible PI call in NY.

That rule needs to change to a 15 YD penalty. 41 free yards due to a bad call is too much of a game changer.

Horrible PI call in NY.

That rule needs to change to a 15 YD penalty. 41 free yards due to a bad call is too much of a game changer.

I understand why it's a spot foul. If a guys going to get burned, and tackles a guy, 15 yards isn't severe enough for basically taking away a TD.

But yeah that one...yuck. Both teams need to chuck one deep once a series if that's the standard.

Personal foul on Ryan Clark? Shocker.

NFL needs to develop a process to get repeat offenders kicked out of the league for good.

Personal foul on Ryan Clark? Shocker.

NFL needs to develop a process to get repeat offenders kicked out of the league for good.

Was that even a flag though?? It was Clark's shoulder to Cruz's upper body. Two bs calls on this drive.

Personal foul on Ryan Clark? Shocker.

NFL needs to develop a process to get repeat offenders kicked out of the league for good.

Haven't seen a replay on the RZ channel but Simms said it looked clean so congrats to Clark for playing within the rules for a change.

Still believe the NFL needs to get repeat offenders out of the game.

Personal foul on Ryan Clark? Shocker.

NFL needs to develop a process to get repeat offenders kicked out of the league for good.

He's got a reputation no doubt, but if that's a bad hit, move to flags please. I never say that, but take the hitting out of the game, so officials don't have to watch for it.

Refs helping the giants into end zone. PI has become a joke in the National Football League

Refs showed some great determination on the drive.

Yeah, that's a BS call. It may have looked bad live, but he basically hit Cruz in the side with his shoulder.

coming back for sure

TV: "Umenyiora was in his face...."
Wife: "human urine was in his face???"

Refs showed some great determination on the drive.

They weren't going to let the Giants settle for a field goal.

WTF?

Ruling on the field stands? WHAT???? That was a pass. What the hell is going on in this game.

I don't usually get on officials, but the PI, illegal hit, phantom TD, fairly obvious incompletion and awful block on the return all "seen" in about 40 seconds of game time.

wow, we all know what a homer I am and even I think that is terrible

Fucking fuckass cunts reffing in NJ today.

wow, we all know what a homer I am and even I think that is terrible

:D

Steelers - 7
Officials - 14

Hopefully this is uplifting for the city.

I would be so pissed if I was a Steelers fan

Fucking fuckass cunts reffing in NJ today.

Did they agree to the taxi squads as part of the agreement? Because these guys need to be sent to the bench.

Was one of these officials kicked out of the Lingerie Football League too?

Guess the officials are confiscating all of pittsburgh's gas and giving it to the storm victims

Never underestimate the incompetence of Bill Leavy.

http://mimg.ugo.com/201101/8/2/3/162328/cuts/anchorman-fleshwound_528_poster.jpg

Guess the officials are confiscating all of pittsburgh's gas and giving it to the storm victims

+10000

Curious how Justin Tuck feels about teams getting away with shit now.

I have no idea what plays everyone's complaining about in the Steelers-Giants game, but I guess Steelers fans have a real beef this time. Of course, when Steelers fans whine every single week about how the refs are screwing them, it's turning into a "boy who cried wolf" thing. I'll admit it, I'm thoroughly amused today.

Only way the Giants win today is if the refs give it to them.

Oh wait....

I think this crew in the giants steelers is here to make the point that the replacement refs weren't that big of a step down.

When I saw that Triplett wasn't the guy under the hood, I figured it wasa slam dunk that they'd call it a forward pass.

When does theNFL start grading these guys, and replacing the losers?

I have no idea what plays everyone's complaining about in the Steelers-Giants game, but I guess Steelers fans have a real beef this time. Of course, when Steelers fans whine every single week about how the refs are screwing them, it's turning into a "boy who cried wolf" thing. I'll admit it, I'm thoroughly amused today.

Fuck off, I whine when it's legit calls in question and one-sided. I hope the Arena league dies and the Devils never win a Cup again.

Good god, what is wrong with the Steelers DB's? They look like pee-wee kids out there.

Now that PI call was legit.

How much non-PI offense have the giants generated?

Fuck off, I whine when it's legit calls in question and one-sided. I hope the Arena league dies and the Devils never win a Cup again.
The Arena refs are against Pittsburgh, too. I pull out my tampon and throw it on the field every time they call illegal defense against the Pittsburgh Power. :(

The most annoying thing in NFL officiating is waiting to see if there's a catch before throwing the flag. Throw it everytime. If he catches it, great.

(And I agree this 2nd call was blatant PI).

That was a fumble right? He lost control of the ball while throwing right?

No flag on that 3rd down incompletion?

WHAAAAAT?!?!?

No flag on that 3rd down incompletion?

WHAAAAAT?!?!?

Incompletion? I thought those were fumbles now.

To answer the earlier question, the G-Men have 97 total non-penalty yards this game.

The Steelers have 173.

At the half:

Giants offense = 97yds
Steeler Penalties = 88 yards

At the half:

Giants offense = 97yds
Steeler Penalties = 88 yards

I added Bill Leavy to my fantasy roster before the game. 88 yards and 2TDs in the first half. Not a bad pickup.

The Seahawks are a pretty good team I think. The more they cut Wilson loose, the better they look.

Things evening up in Steelers-Giants game. 3rd down incompletion, James Harrison made a mean face at Eli that didn't get flagged. Still expecting a call from Goodell.

Nice spot from the giant's refs

What a stupid challenge

Epic horrible Tomlin challenge.

Damn refs made Big Ben throw that pick!!!

Damn refs made Big Ben throw that pick!!!

Every time you post, I can't help but think of Nermal...from Garfield and Friends.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120829192508/mugen/images/c/ca/Nermal.jpg

I don't think your RB is suppose to have nearly three times the rushing yards your QB has passing yards.

Damn refs made Big Ben throw that pick!!!

Well, they did make him fumble earlier...

Doug Martin is beating the Raiders like a red-headed stepchild.

Dat boy run so good

I do not understand why the Vikings refuse to play Joe Webb.

That was the ugliest FG fake I have ever seen.

Nice fake field goal you fucking morons

You deserve to lose Pittsburgh.

Wow...

Does Tomlin really have that little faith in his defense?

the Refs told the g-men that the steelers were fakin it

Tomlin didn't watch the 'Bama/LSU game last night.

Does Tomlin really have that little faith in his defense?

He's dumb.

So no less than four Giants read and smothered that fake field goal.

This game could be tied with 10 minutes left right?

Steelers need a TD so manning can pull a rabbit out of his ass

Why hasn't Jacksonville cut Gabbert yet?

If they do we'll take him in Minnesota in a heartbeat.

When Rainey was down on the sideline, the Steelers O-line and Giants D-line got in a circle, hand in hand, and prayed.

Bill Leavy flagged them for holding.

Raiders Bucs has turned into a hell of a game here.

Those pesky Steelers, man.. Here's where Manning typically turns it on and you wonder why he didn't play this sharp all game.

Eli getting ready to piss me off for the 357th time.

And the Bucs better give the ball back to Martin now. They fucked around trying to be gentle and now the Raiders have a shot.

For the second time in 3 weeks the Vikings have less than 50 yards passing.

ass rabbit time

Nice recovery Harrison. Fucking retard.

Wow, TB had 2 straight delay of game penalties. The Black Hole is loud....

No magic today for Eli. As usual Giants D forgets to cover people and then give up.

This is the most poorly prepared I have seen the Giants in a while. I hate to say the circumstances played a role because that sounds like an excuse, but you have to at least wonder.

Giants haven't looked good since they beat up on the Niners.

Taking ino account the 11 gift points from the refs, the G-Men got blown off the field today.

Doug Martin wrecking the day of anyone playing him.

Eli was off today...the receivers were off today...defense isnt really a "great" defense anyway so cant be relied on to hold an offense to <20 points.

As bad as that FG fake call was...I had a feeling it wouldnt matter. They just werent going to move the ball or stop the Steelers running game. Oh...and they refuse to cover Heath Miller.

C'mon you sorry ass Cowboys, don't get embarrassed on a national stage. Again.

Ultimately it would have taken 10 seconds for Levy to explain his call and it would have been beneficial to the billion dollar tv audience

Talk about a conflicted moment. TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE, DWAYNE!!! STOP HIM, FALCONS!!!

(Dwayne was the last QB at Tucker during my time there.)

Doug Martin wrecking the day of anyone playing him.

Not Exactly. But it's certainly saving the day in one of my work leagues. :)

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</td><td class="opp">Car</td><td class="gametime">L, 21-13 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104028)</td><td class="stat wide">15.39</td><td class="pts stat last">4.03</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_71" class="even"><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_70" class="pos first">WR</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_74" class="player">Calvin Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8256)
(Det - WR)<abbr title="Questionable">Q</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8256/news)

</td><td class="opp">@Jac</td><td class="gametime">W, 31-14 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104030)</td><td class="stat wide">6.33</td><td class="pts stat last">6.45</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_66" class="odd"><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_69" class="pos first">WR</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_65" class="player">Vincent Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7237)
(TB - WR)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_none.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7237/news)

</td><td class="opp">@Oak</td><td class="gametime">W, 42-32 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104013)</td><td class="stat wide">5.59</td><td class="pts stat last">10.20</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_60" class="even"><td class="pos first">WR</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_59" class="player">Julio Jones (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24793)
(Atl - WR)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24793/news)

</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_81" class="opp">Dal</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_83" class="gametime">Q1 10:40, 0-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20121104001)</td><td class="stat wide">7.49</td><td class="pts stat last">0.00</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_55" class="odd"><td class="pos first">RB</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_54" class="player">Doug Martin (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/25741)
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</td><td class="opp">@Oak</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_84" class="gametime">W, 42-32 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104013)</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_85" class="stat wide">8.00</td><td class="pts stat last">37.60</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_51" class="even"><td class="pos first">RB</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_50" class="player">Trent Richardson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/25713)
(Cle - RB)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/25713/news)

</td><td class="opp">Bal</td><td class="gametime">L, 25-15 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104005)</td><td class="stat wide">7.83</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_86" class="pts stat last">6.80</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_47" class="odd"><td class="pos first">TE</td><td class="player">Brandon Pettigrew (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9284)
(Det - TE)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9284/news)

</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_49" class="opp">@Jac</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_46" class="gametime">W, 31-14 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104030)</td><td class="stat wide">3.22</td><td class="pts stat last">0.55</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_42" class="even"><td class="pos first">K</td><td class="player">Matt Bryant (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6243)
(Atl - K)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6243/news)

</td><td class="opp">Dal</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_45" class="gametime">Q1 10:40, 0-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20121104001)</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_44" class="stat wide">8.60</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_41" class="pts stat last">0.00</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="pos first">DEF</td><td class="player">Baltimore (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal)
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</td><td class="opp">@Cle</td><td class="gametime">W, 25-15 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104005)</td><td class="stat wide">8.12</td><td class="pts stat last">6.00</td></tr><tr class="even last"><td class="pos first">Total</td><td class="player"> </td><td class="opp"> </td><td class="gametime"> </td><td class="stat wide">70.57</td><td class="pts stat last">71.63</td></tr></tbody></table><table id="statTable2" class="teamtable" border="0" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><thead><tr class="headerRow0" vAlign="bottom"><th class="pos first"> </th><th class="player"> </th><th class="opp"> </th><th class="gametime"> </th><th class="group last" title="Points" colSpan="2">Points


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</th><th class="opp">Opp

</th><th class="gametime">Status

</th><th class="stat wide desc">Projected

</th><th class="pts stat last desc">Actual

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(Den - QB)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4256/news)

</td><td class="opp">@Cin</td><td class="gametime">W, 31-23 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104004)</td><td class="stat wide">15.62</td><td class="pts stat last">21.18</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="pos first">WR</td><td class="player">Miles Austin (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8021)
(Dal - WR)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_none.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8021/news)

</td><td class="opp">@Atl</td><td class="gametime">Q1 10:40, 3-0 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20121104001)</td><td class="stat wide">9.08</td><td class="pts stat last">0.65</td></tr><tr class="odd"><td class="pos first">WR</td><td class="player">Roddy White (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7203)
(Atl - WR)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7203/news)

</td><td class="opp">Dal</td><td class="gametime">Q1 10:40, 0-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20121104001)</td><td class="stat wide">8.01</td><td class="pts stat last">0.00</td></tr><tr class="even"><td class="pos first">WR</td><td class="player">Stevie Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9001)
(Buf - WR)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9001/news)

</td><td class="opp">@Hou</td><td class="gametime">L, 21-9 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104034)</td><td class="stat wide">5.65</td><td class="pts stat last">1.45</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_35" class="odd"><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_38" class="pos first">RB</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_34" class="player">Arian Foster (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9527)
(Hou - RB)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9527/news)

</td><td class="opp">Buf</td><td class="gametime">W, 21-9 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104034)</td><td class="stat wide">16.86</td><td class="pts stat last">11.55</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_28" class="even"><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_39" class="pos first">RB</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_31" class="player">BenJarvus Green-Ellis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9039)
(Cin - RB)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9039/news)

</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_27" class="opp">Den</td><td class="gametime">L, 31-23 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104004)</td><td class="stat wide">8.31</td><td class="pts stat last">8.65</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_23" class="odd"><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_40" class="pos first">TE</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_89" class="player">Owen Daniels (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7847)
(Hou - TE)<abbr title="Probable">P</abbr> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_new.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7847/news)

</td><td class="opp">Buf</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_26" class="gametime">W, 21-9 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104034)</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_25" class="stat wide">4.29</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_22" class="pts stat last">9.10</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_95" class="even"><td class="pos first">K</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_94" class="player">Jason Hanson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2034)
(Det - K)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_none.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2034/news)

</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_97" class="opp">@Jac</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_98" class="gametime">W, 31-14 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104030)</td><td class="stat wide">7.94</td><td class="pts stat last">8.00</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_100" class="odd"><td class="pos first">DEF</td><td class="player">Houston (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/hou)
(Hou - DEF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_notes_none.png (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/hou/news)

</td><td class="opp">Buf</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_99" class="gametime">W, 21-9 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121104034)</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_101" class="stat wide">9.92</td><td class="pts stat last">9.00</td></tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_103" class="even last"><td class="pos first">Total</td><td class="player"> </td><td class="opp"> </td><td class="gametime"> </td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_102" class="stat wide">85.68</td><td id="yui_3_4_1_10_1352079873413_104" class="pts stat last">69.58</td></tr></tbody></table>

what kind of scoring system only gives 37 points for that performance?

A dumb scoring league.

haha, beats the fuck out of me what normal is, I just sign up, draft, and kick the shit out of everybody by getting guys like Doug Martin and Vincent Jackson. :)

FGs won't beat Atlanta

The top 10 rushing performances (since 1960). A new Buccaneer record as well. Great performance on the road for the Bucs rookie Doug Martin.

<table class="stats_table nav_table" data-crop="50" data-freeze="20"><tbody><tr><td align="right">1.</td><td>Adrian Peterson (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteAd01.htm) (22)</td><td align="right">296</td><td align="right"> Minnesota Vikings vs. San Diego Chargers, November 4, 2007 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711040min.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">2.</td><td>Jamal Lewis (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiJa00.htm)</td><td align="right">295</td><td align="right"> Baltimore Ravens vs. Cleveland Browns, September 14, 2003 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200309140rav.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">3.</td><td>Jerome Harrison (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJe00.htm) (26)</td><td align="right">286</td><td align="right"> Cleveland Browns vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 20, 2009 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200912200kan.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">4.</td><td>Corey Dillon (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DillCo00.htm)</td><td align="right">278</td><td align="right"> Cincinnati Bengals vs. Denver Broncos, October 22, 2000 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200010220cin.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">5.</td><td>Walter Payton (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaytWa00.htm)+ </td><td align="right">275</td><td align="right"> Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings, November 20, 1977 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197711200chi.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">6.</td><td>O.J. Simpson (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SimpO.00.htm)+ </td><td align="right">273</td><td align="right"> Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions, November 25, 1976 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197611250det.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">7.</td><td>Shaun Alexander (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexSh00.htm)</td><td align="right">266</td><td align="right"> Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, November 11, 2001 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200111110sea.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">8.</td><td>Jamaal Charles (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CharJa00.htm) (23)</td><td align="right">259</td><td align="right"> Kansas City Chiefs vs. Denver Broncos, January 3, 2010 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001030den.htm) </td><tr class="hl"><td align="right">9.</td><td>DeMarco Murray (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MurrDe00.htm) (23)</td><td align="right">253</td><td align="right"> Dallas Cowboys vs. St. Louis Rams, October 23, 2011 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201110230dal.htm) </td><tr><td align="right">10.</td><td>Doug (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MurrDe00.htm) Martin</td><td align="right">251</td><td align="right">Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Oakland Raiders,November 4, 2012 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200012030nor.htm)</td></tr></tbody></table>

Good job by NBC of playing the music to Sevendust's "Seasons" heading to commercial after Matt Bryant's missed field goal just now. One of my favorite songs from my favorite band. I shouldn't be surprised because of Sevendust's connection to Georgia and the Falcons, but it was still good to hear.

I want to hear the full explanation for the Delay of Game against the Panthers when the official stood behind the center (waiting for the refs to count the players according to the announcers), then backed off to let them snap with about 2 seconds left on the playclock.

Yep, the ineptitude of the officials eventually bit both teams. On the Panthers 30 yard TD run, where the whistle blew on the FREAKING 20 YARD LINE, the ref was interviewed after the game and gave this humongous BS answer: "By the time the whistle blew, he had already crossed the goal line," referee Carl Cheffers told a pool reporter.

Carl Cheffers should be fired for blatantly lying about something that was on TV and can be viewed by anyone.

I'm just so tired of watching Dallas lose close games. It's so fucking frustrating. Same shit as last year.

I'm just so tired of watching Dallas lose close games. It's so fucking frustrating. Same shit as last year.

No worries, you get Sean Payton next year to get your hopes up even more before they get dashed against the rocks.

The Cowboys could fuck up a wet dream.

I'm so sick of this crap. Garret has balls the size of a hamster, and the defense is great until, you know, they need a stop.

Doug Martin wrecking the day of anyone playing him.

In my league he scored 51.2 against me, I'm toast this week.

In my league he scored 51.2 against me, I'm toast this week.

He got 64 points or something for me. Still down nine points and my opponent still has Jimmy Graham left. 166-157.

My opponent had the best week he's had in the four years we've had this league. He's consistently one of the worse owners in the league. Such is fantasy football..

The Cowboys could fuck up a wet dream.

I'm so sick of this crap. Garret has balls the size of a hamster, and the defense is great until, you know, they need a stop.

I don't think you can complain too much about the defense today. Holding Atlanta to 19 is pretty damn good.

Couldn't agree more with the first part though. If you have a QB like Romo, you have to cut him loose. Garrett just calls conservative bullcrap until he realizes they are down with 8 minutes left in the ballgame, then he lets Romo throw the ball around and they look pretty good. Yes, you'll get some 5 INT trainwrecks from him but he'll also give you a chance to win most of the time.

The New York Giants actually remind me of the San Francisco Giants. When they lose, they look absolutely horrible doing it, and you wonder how anyone could consider them good. When they win, they usually do just enough to get by, with the occasional dominant performance.

I don't think you can complain too much about the defense today. Holding Atlanta to 19 is pretty damn good.

Couldn't agree more with the first part though. If you have a QB like Romo, you have to cut him loose. Garrett just calls conservative bullcrap until he realizes they are down with 8 minutes left in the ballgame, then he lets Romo throw the ball around and they look pretty good. Yes, you'll get some 5 INT trainwrecks from him but he'll also give you a chance to win most of the time.

Smokin' Tony Romo

Yep, the ineptitude of the officials eventually bit both teams. On the Panthers 30 yard TD run, where the whistle blew on the FREAKING 20 YARD LINE, the ref was interviewed after the game and gave this humongous BS answer: "By the time the whistle blew, he had already crossed the goal line," referee Carl Cheffers told a pool reporter.

Carl Cheffers should be fired for blatantly lying about something that was on TV and can be viewed by anyone.

We were flipping back and forth so I thibj I saw the play in question, but not the aftermath. Holy shit...they called that a TD? I thought he clearly stepped out of bounds. I do not buy any of that whistle B.S.. the Cam delay of game was equally a "refs being hacks" moment as well. Glad they ponied up the money for these chumps. The Taco Bell manager guys were not much worse than this.

Rough Sunday for officials.

We were flipping back and forth so I thibj I saw the play in question, but not the aftermath. Holy shit...they called that a TD? I thought he clearly stepped out of bounds. I do not buy any of that whistle B.S.. the Cam delay of game was equally a "refs being hacks" moment as well. Glad they ponied up the money for these chumps. The Taco Bell manager guys were not much worse than this.

I thought Williams stepped OOB too, watching it live, but that may have been driven by hearing the whistle. They did replay it and he stayed in bounds the whole way.

Crazy piece of info posted by Schefter on Twitter:

Peyton Manning's passing yards this season: 2,404. Andrew Luck's passing yards this season: 2,404. Broncos 5-3, Colts 5-3.

No worries, you get Sean Payton next year to get your hopes up even more before they get dashed against the rocks.

Leroy Veritas, who were you before your new account?

Crazy piece of info posted by Schefter on Twitter:

Peyton Manning's passing yards this season: 2,404. Andrew Luck's passing yards this season: 2,404. Broncos 5-3, Colts 5-3.

The Colts are going to have a 25 year run at QB the likes of which we have never seen

The Colts are going to have a 25 year run at QB the likes of which we have never seen

It wasn't 25 years, but the 18 years that the 49ers had during my childhood is the reason I still despise them today :)

Leroy Veritas, who were you before your new account?

I've been curious as well.

The Colts are going to have a 25 year run at QB the likes of which we have never seen

You're already seeing it in Green Bay.

Christian Ponder prepared for boos as Vikings return home (http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Christian_Ponder_prepared_for_boos_as_Vikings_return_home110412)

Woohoo! Ponder could be prepared for something for the first time all year next week.

It wasn't 25 years, but the 18 years that the 49ers had during my childhood is the reason I still despise them today :)

This. Montana was drafted in 1979, Young retired in 1999. That's 20 years of incredible QB play.

Going from one QB that set an NFL record for career QB rating, directly to another QB who set the new record for career QB rating...unheard of.

Let's all keep in mind here that Luck is 8 games into his NFL career. I thought he was great at Stanford, but he's one hit away from being a yet another "what if" in NFL history.

Dola...

I'm down by 46 points going into tonight's game, and I have the following players in my starting lineup.

Michael Vick
Marques Colston
Devery Henderson

What do you figure my chances are? Naturally, I'm hoping for a shootout style game.

Dola...

I'm down by 46 points going into tonight's game, and I have the following players in my starting lineup.

Michael Vick
Marques Colston
Devery Henderson

What do you figure my chances are? Naturally, I'm hoping for a shootout style game.

I am right there with you. I am down by 76 and I have Vick, Graham and Celek left. I think my chances are not as good as yours. (it is a PPR league though, where they are expected to get 25, 18 and 15 points though, so not completely out of reach)

You're already seeing it in Green Bay.

I don't know, plenty of teams have switched from a turnover machine to a pretty good QB a few times in the NFL.

:D

I thought Williams stepped OOB too, watching it live, but that may have been driven by hearing the whistle. They did replay it and he stayed in bounds the whole way.

Ok. I heard the whistle too, and was thinking to myself "why is this jackass still running?" Then we flipped games.

In my office pool, I did well with picking the Panthers and Steelers. The Raiders and Dolphins hurt me. C'mon Philly.

Micheal Vick wont finish this game, he will be in a body bag the rate its going

oh Vick.... if you dont get killed you will get yanked. another pick for him

I am not shocked.

Come on Eagles!!! I want cheap Cheese Pizzas!

You have Vick. You have 2/5 of an offensive line (about to be one as Herremans is hurt) so clearly the logical thing to do is continue to use Vick as a drop back passer. Andy Reid doesn't give a shit anymore. Or he's trying to get Vick killed so he can go to Foles and try to save his job

Come on Eagles!!! I want cheap Cheese Pizzas!

huh? you want eagle players to make you a pizza? if vick makes it he will just drop it so check for dirt

I wish they would stop talking about that POS Vilma.

Yeah, that's a 4th and 1

huh? you want eagle players to make you a pizza? if vick makes it he will just drop it so check for dirt

The local Papa Johns here in Phily are have a dela that for each TD the Eagles scores, the following day you get one buck off a $10 large cheese pizza for delivery. Maximum 6 bucks off. If they get four TDs, then I get $6 dollar large cheeses, and if they do really well, I can get pizzas, for delivery, not just pick u, for four bucks each!!!

I wish they would stop talking about that POS Vilma.

I like how the reason they said that he wanted to fight this, to clear his name for his daughter, has nothing to do with right or wrong, innocent or guilty, but just what people are saying about him.

The local Papa Johns here in Phily are have a dela that for each TD the Eagles scores, the following day you get one buck off a $10 large cheese pizza for delivery. Maximum 6 bucks off. If they get four TDs, then I get $6 dollar large cheeses, and if they do really well, I can get pizzas, for delivery, not just pick u, for four bucks each!!!

well good luck. it seems the Eagles are the only team that cant score TD's on NO this year. man their offense sucks

When does the f*****g hockey season start!?!?!?!?!?

Brees is just so darned accurate.
Good stuff



Well, right up to the fumble.

The fluke fumble aside, this is the most gutless, heartless Philadelphia team I have ever seen...regardless of sport. I'm ashamed to be wearing B-Dawk's jersey right now and witness this absolute hellhole of a "team" go through the paces.

Outside of Shady, Ryans, and Nate Allen, these guys are playing like they don't give a crap. Screw the touchdown, too...fluke play.

I'm turning into Randy Quaid in Major League II.

I know people are shitting on Vick a lot, but I don't think any QB can survive behind that line and offense. There have been plays in this game where they literally didn't bother to block 2 guys coming in.

Shitty football teams!!!!

The local Papa Johns here in Phily are have a dela that for each TD the Eagles scores, the following day you get one buck off a $10 large cheese pizza for delivery. Maximum 6 bucks off. If they get four TDs, then I get $6 dollar large cheeses, and if they do really well, I can get pizzas, for delivery, not just pick u, for four bucks each!!!

You guys are getting the shaft. DC area Papa Johns give a free topping per TD scored on a regular price large, and double the toppings if the Skins win.

I know people are shitting on Vick a lot, but I don't think any QB can survive behind that line and offense. There have been plays in this game where they literally didn't bother to block 2 guys coming in.

Vick should be sh*t on as he is a piece of sh*t. He has been the most over rated player since he was drafted. We went from getting to watch a very good QB for a decade to seeing this piece of crap.

lol, that was different, shame he threw it forward.

You guys are getting the shaft. DC area Papa Johns give a free topping per TD scored on a regular price large, and double the toppings if the Skins win.

Two TDs and a win and I would be set.

Vick should be sh*t on as he is a piece of sh*t. He has been the most over rated player since he was drafted. We went from getting to watch a very good QB for a decade to seeing this piece of crap.

Yes, clearly this is true.

Football Outsiders has him 12th amongst QB's in 2010, and 11th in 2011. In addition, he's contributed ~600 yards rushing each of those seasons at ~7 yards per carry. The idea that this makes him a "piece of shit" is just wropng.

I get that Vick isn't Tom Brady, but he's average at worst. As the announcer pointed out, when 4 out of 5 starting lineman (including Peters, one of the best LT's in football) are out, what miracles do you expect?

Vick should be sh*t on as he is a piece of sh*t. He has been the most over rated player since he was drafted. We went from getting to watch a very good QB for a decade to seeing this piece of crap.

Would that be the same very good QB your fan base shit on for a large part of his tenure with the team and eventually ran out of town?

Also Steve Gleason :( Glad to hear he's responsive now, but that's a very sad story. At least he got to see the statue unveiling.

Yes, clearly this is true.

Football Outsiders has him 12th amongst QB's in 2010, and 11th in 2011. In addition, he's contributed ~600 yards rushing each of those seasons at ~7 yards per carry. The idea that this makes him a "piece of shit" is just wropng.

I get that Vick isn't Tom Brady, but he's average at worst. As the announcer pointed out, when 4 out of 5 starting lineman (including Peters, one of the best LT's in football) are out, what miracles do you expect?

Vick has 1 year of over 60% completions. He's a below average passer who used to be able to win games with his feet. Now that his athleticism is no longer unique for the position, and really isn't close to the best anymore, he's just a below average passer who had one outlier season in 2010.

Jesus, just watch that last play. Will Smith just bull rushed a LT who couldn't stop a kitten at this point. How exactly is that Vick's fault other than not being able to play LT?

Vick has 1 year of over 60% completions. He's a below average passer who used to be able to win games with his feet. Now that his athleticism is no longer unique for the position, and really isn't close to the best anymore, he's just a below average passer who had one outlier season in 2010.

His athleticism is fine. He's "blessed" with a coach who seems determined to make him into a pocket passer and an offensive line that's the worst in the league. I don't understand why he doesn't run more but I can only assume it's been coached out of him, because when he runs he still looks electric.

Vick has 1 year of over 60% completions. He's a below average passer who used to be able to win games with his feet. Now that his athleticism is no longer unique for the position, and really isn't close to the best anymore, he's just a below average passer who had one outlier season in 2010.

Data - give me data, not what you feel like. QB rating is a more imperfect rating, but has him doing well in 2010 and decent in 2011. Observations are great, but the idea that Vick is bottom of the barrel is just silly. I think if Philly cuts him this offseason (which seems likely), I could see him doing well elsewhere (Arizona? Buffalo? Jets?)

His athleticism is fine. He's "blessed" with a coach who seems determined to make him into a pocket passer and an offensive line that's the worst in the league. I don't understand why he doesn't run more but I can only assume it's been coached out of him, because when he runs he still looks electric.

"".

The fluke fumble aside, this is the most gutless, heartless Philadelphia team I have ever seen...regardless of sport. I'm ashamed to be wearing B-Dawk's jersey right now and witness this absolute hellhole of a "team" go through the paces.

Outside of Shady, Ryans, and Nate Allen, these guys are playing like they don't give a crap. Screw the touchdown, too...fluke play.

I'm turning into Randy Quaid in Major League II.

1983 was pretty bad (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/1983.htm), be thankful you don't remember it. :)

(For the Eagles anyway. For Philly teams in general, pretty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_World_Series) good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NBA_Finals) year.)

Also Steve Gleason :( Glad to hear he's responsive now, but that's a very sad story. At least he got to see the statue unveiling.

A very sad story. ALS is just a brutal disease.

I love that they dedicated the statue.

I know people are shitting on Vick a lot, but I don't think any QB can survive behind that line and offense. There have been plays in this game where they literally didn't bother to block 2 guys coming in.

But smart quarterbacks read the defense, see the blitz coming and change the play or reposition guys. Vick never seems to do that, he just goes under center and runs the play.

But smart quarterbacks read the defense, see the blitz coming and change the play or reposition guys. Vick never seems to do that, he just goes under center and runs the play.

Seriously? With that line? What plays can he call when he has 3 seconds before he gets killed? m

Data - give me data, not what you feel like.

One year of 60% completion rate was already given. He's never been a good passer. He was a great runner, and is still a good runner, but he's nowhere near the anomaly he once was.

Other than the 2010 season his TD/INT numbers are pretty mediocre, and he fumbles a good bit. His total TD to turnover numbers are poor except for 2010. His "decent" 2011 produced a total of 19 TDs and 24 turnovers.

Reid got Vick over 3,000 passing yards finally, including the good year in 2010, but Reid also made Kolb and Feeley look like potentially legit NFL QBs. The OL this year is crippling any chance that he'll be successful this season.

Seriously? With that line? What plays can he call when he has 3 seconds before he gets killed? m

NFL QBs know that 3 seconds results in a sack more often than not. Vick still can't read defenses or audible correctly.

His athleticism is fine. He's "blessed" with a coach who seems determined to make him into a pocket passer and an offensive line that's the worst in the league. I don't understand why he doesn't run more but I can only assume it's been coached out of him, because when he runs he still looks electric.

Seriously, Kordell Stewart retired years ago.

Seriously? With that line? What plays can he call when he has 3 seconds before he gets killed? m

Bring the TE or RB over to block. I'm not an X and O guy, but I watch a ton of football and a good QB knows when there are more guys coming then he has blocking and does something about it. Vick doesn't seem to get that