Now that the new Fall TV season has started, let's have a thread to talk about the new shows and to guess how long they will last.

I'll start

Ringer - Sarah Michelle Gellar plays twins who both have secrets in a soapy CW drama. My take - typical CW show, overly dramatic but at least decent acting. This probably wouldn't last on a regular network, but I'm guessing the ratings will be average for the CW and the show will make the whole season.

Up All Night - Christina Applegate and Will Arnett are new parents trying to figure out how to find a new life/work routine with their new baby. My take - Interesting idea, but not a very funny show. It had its moments, but not enough to make a show last. Will Arnett can't carry a show as a lead. I'm guessing the ratings will be decent with new/recently new parents but will fall steadily after the first show. No more than three episodes before it is cancelled.

Free Agents - Hank Azaria and Kathryn Hahn are both recently single (divorce and widowed respectively) and trying to get back to normal life. They work together and start the show post-one-night-stand and an awkward morning after ensues. My take - Hank Azaria is funny. He went off on a couple small runs of solo comedy during the first show and they were great. I think this show will start out slow as neither headliner is a major draw (for people who aren't familiar with Hank's voice work), but the show will gain momentum as the season goes. The show will probably flirt with being cancelled but retain enough momentum to get through the season.

Anyone else?

Reality show premieres. The only one I'm really looking forward to is Storm Chasers on September 25th.

Fall 2011 reality TV debut schedule + reality blurred (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/schedules/2011_Sep_14_fall-2011)

I watched about 5 minutes of Up All Night, and my best description for it is "weird". Maybe a moment here or there that's funny, but it's mostly a boring collection of weird vignettes.

I watched a little bit of Ringer while my wife was watching it. My thought was meh...didn't do much to keep my interest. I have Up All Night and Free Agents on the DVR ready to watch. Up All Night looked funny, but I have heard lots of negativity about Arnett in the past, so I won't get too attached.

We DVRed Up All Night and my wife is planning on watching Ringer. Haven't watched them yet, we watche Survivor and Americas Next Top Model last night.

I think this season of ANTM is going to be horrible. They are doin an all stars cast this season, but all they have brought back for the most part are the divas from each season who fought with everyone, so I think it will be just to much conflict and nothing else. Watching a screaming wanna be 19 year old model is fun for a while, but gets old quick. A house full of them, not so much.

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I watched a little bit of Ringer while my wife was watching it. My thought was meh...didn't do much to keep my interest. I have Up All Night and Free Agents on the DVR ready to watch. Up All Night looked funny, but I have heard lots of negativity about Arnett in the past, so I won't get too attached.

EDIT: Spoilers below just in case:


I watched Ringer too with a little more than passing interest (I'm an identical twin too). Good cast other than the odd choice of the male slacker lead from Life Unexpected, but really how long can she keep the deception up? She's known nothing of her twin's life for six years? And now she's supposedly pregnant after her husband asked if she lost weight? The last minute of the pilot will get me to watch the second episode to see how that plays out, but its looking pretty shallow right now in terms of the plot. (which isn't surprising since its CW).

I have Pan-Am and the Playboy Club competing to be the most spectacular flame out. I think Hart of Dixie should get a quick hook (anyone think Rachel Bilson can carry a show?), but if a tree falls on the CW, does anyone hear it?

Person of Interest looks pretty cool, but its time slot will make it tough to survive, I imagine.

Does anyone watch Nikita? My wife started watching it through Netflix last year and got me hooked.

The new shows don't really interest me or intrigue me much. I'm hoping Terra Nova will be good. I enjoyed The Sing Off when it was a summer show, it just has way to much competition now. Like Swaggs I think the Playboy Club and Pan Am will be gone very quickly.

The ideas behind Unforgettable and Person of Interest are interesting, but not sure how much of a plot you can have around it. XFactor may be unwatchable with the Simon/Paula reunion. Prime Suspect just seems like another cop show. If you like (or a part of) the juvenile audience the Vampire Diaries has attached itself too, you'll likely like the witch version in The Secret Circle.

I want to be interested in Revenge, since I've been a fan of the lead actress there since Everwood, but it just looks very boring. A Gifted Man is the replacement for Ghost Whisperer. Don't know anything about Grimm yet, and the one that surprised me a bit was Once Upon a Time which seems to deal with stories in our world and the fairy tale world intertwining.

The only show I play on adding is "New Girl". It looks interesting and my wife really wants to check it out, which is unusual cause she usually doesn't like sitcoms.

My wife apparently went to school with a group of the people that are going to be on the 9/19 episode of The Sing Off, so she will be watching that one.

The only show I play on adding is "New Girl". It looks interesting and my wife really wants to check it out, which is unusual cause she usually doesn't like sitcoms.

It's probably because your wife, like the rest of America, wants to Glen Rice Kat Dennings.

I'm fairly sure a loosely scripted show based on Pumpy would be far far better than any of this shit.

It's probably because your wife, like the rest of America, wants to Glen Rice Kat Dennings.

I hadn't heard of her before seeing the previews for the show, but she is rather easy on the eyes.

It's probably because your wife, like the rest of America, wants to Glen Rice Kat Dennings.

Wrong show. That's Zooey Deschanel for "New Girl." "2 Broke Girls" is the one with Kat Dennings.

Wrong show. That's Zooey Deschanel for "New Girl." "2 Broke Girls" is the one with Kat Dennings.

True. Not sure why I read it wrong. I still stand by my statement, whether it applies to Ms. Deschanel or Ms. Dennings.

I'm intrigued about "Once Upon a Time". And "New Girl" because I love Zooey Deschanel. I'm intrigued about "Pan Am" and "Playboy Club" (after reading what they were and not just, hey look women dressed scantily in the 1960s).

Matt Roush said Pan Am was real good while Playboy Club was dreadful. If Person Of Interest looks like it's gonna stick I'll catch up/watch it just because of Emerson but nothing this year particularly titillates me.

The only show I play on adding is "New Girl". It looks interesting and my wife really wants to check it out, which is unusual cause she usually doesn't like sitcoms.

The pilot is a free DL on iTunes right now. It had its moments but you can never tell much from a pilot. I found Damon Wayans to be pretty funny but he's off the show now.

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I'm interested in watching "Person of Interest" because it's a Jonathan Nolan project.

Kat Dennings is hot but I bet "2 Broke Girls" won't last long.

I did want to plug a new show for a friend of mine. One of my best friends is writing and hosting his own show on the Travel Channel. I've mentioned this guy before, he's an author. He writes crime fiction.

His show doesn't air until Dec. 5 (at 10:00 PM EST). I will post a reminder.

It was just recently announced:

Breaking News - Thrilled Novelist Marcus Sakey Unveils Untold Stories Beneath Each City's Underbelly in New Travel Channel Series "Hidden City" Premiering Monday, December 5 at 10:00 P.M. ET/PT | TheFutonCritic.com (http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/09/13/thrilled-novelist-marcus-sakey-unveils-untold-stories-beneath-each-citys-underbelly-in-new-travel-channel-series-hidden-city-premiering-monday-december-5-at-1000-pm-et-pt-207513/20110913travel01/)

THRILLER NOVELIST MARCUS SAKEY UNVEILS UNTOLD STORIES BENEATH EACH CITY'S UNDERBELLY IN NEW TRAVEL CHANNEL SERIES "HIDDEN CITY" PREMIERING MONDAY, DECEMBER 5 AT 10:00 P.M. ET/PT

CHEVY CHASE, MD (September 13, 2011) - Thriller novelist Marcus Sakey knows good stories and how to uncover them. To research his bestselling books, he's shadowed homicide detectives, gone shooting with Special Forces and even learned how to pick a deadbolt. Now in the new original one-hour series, "Hidden City," premiering on Monday, December 5 at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT, Sakey travels the country, city to city, to dig up the less-than-pristine history and reveal the untold story behind each locale, serving as a personal guide to each city's unique past.

The premiere episode explores Sakey's hometown of Chicago, the city famous for reinventing itself through its checkered history. Viewers will meet America's first - and maybe worst - serial killer, H.H. Holmes; walk in the footsteps of legendary gangster, John Dillinger; and dig into the 1968 DNC riots, when protestors clashed with police in a battle royale broadcast live to the world.

Throughout the 12-episode series, Sakey does whatever it takes to get into the heads of the characters that define the city. In Chicago, police were trained in riot control techniques, so he straps on some pads and picks up a baton; and the protestors were hit with Mace - so Sakey takes a blast right in the eyes. Through it all, he interprets the events as a novelist, looking for the plot, characters and themes that put it all together.

Rappelling with SWAT, attending an autopsy, interviewing a porn star, stealing a car - it's all in a week's work. For Sakey, the "who" and "what" tell you everything about "where." From his POV, the gallows humor of a South Central gang cop provides better insight into Los Angeles than a studio tour or a trip to the beach. A typical day can begin with a meeting with the Boston FBI in the morning and end sharing a drink with a Southie bank robber at night.

Additional episodes examine the most notorious historical events of Anchorage, Atlanta, Austin, Boston, the Florida Keys, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington, D.C. As Sakey travels, he's packing his preconceived notions, his attitude and his willingness to be unimpressed. He'll walk the streets, meets the people and take a few bruises to reveal the "Hidden City."

"Hidden City" is produced by Crazy Legs Productions for Travel Channel. For Crazy Legs, the executive producers are Tom Cappello and Michael Lucker. The executive producer for Travel Channel is David E. Gerber.

Read more: Breaking News - Thrilled Novelist Marcus Sakey Unveils Untold Stories Beneath Each City's Underbelly in New Travel Channel Series "Hidden City" Premiering Monday, December 5 at 10:00 P.M. ET/PT | TheFutonCritic.com

There are really no new shows that I'm interested in.

I have plenty coming back though: Modern Family, The Office, Parks & Rec, Community, 30 Rock and Walking Dead. Between those and catching up with "Breaking Bad" on Netflix, hockey, NFL and college football my TV wont go neglected.

What's the deal with 30 Rock? Is it mid season again?

I was going to say that I wasn't interested in any of the new shows. But, the show HB mentioned sounds fascinating (although really you had me at HH Holmes)

What's the deal with 30 Rock? Is it mid season again?

she just had a baby, so maybe?

Kat Dennings is hot but I bet "2 Broke Girls" won't last long.

The first episode was not very funny. This is the new Odd Couple with a poor girl from the block matched up with the daughter of a crooked Wall Street Millionaire who is now broke. There is some potential with the former rich girl helping the poor girl make use of her talents and try to build a business, but I don't think the show will last long enough to see that plan take root.

The Playboy Club could very well be the first show to get the ax. I nearly turned it off half-way through but decided to wait and see if it went anywhere. It didn't.

The long term point does make it interesting. It is also a little hard to put too much value into the pilot of a sitcom since 22 minutes is barely enough time to introduce the characters and put them into their places for a normal show. I'll definitely give this one a second look to see if it is worth keeping.

I was pleasantly surprised by 2 Broke Girls just for the fact that they seem to have a long term point to the show. The supporting characters, other than the restaurant owner, aren't good enough but the timeslot they have should allow for some tweaking to see if they can fix that somewhat quickly. That, and I'll stab anyone who takes Kat Dennings away from me.

Hopefully they fixed some of the supporting characters (outside of the diner owner...bryce lee...that made me laugh), but the chemistry between the two actresses is there...I hope this one lasts. With the right tweaks post-pilot (if they made them) it could end up being decently funny.

I did want to plug a new show for a friend of mine. One of my best friends is writing and hosting his own show on the Travel Channel. I've mentioned this guy before, he's an author. He writes crime fiction.

His show doesn't air until Dec. 5 (at 10:00 PM EST). I will post a reminder.

It was just recently announced:

Breaking News - Thrilled Novelist Marcus Sakey Unveils Untold Stories Beneath Each City's Underbelly in New Travel Channel Series "Hidden City" Premiering Monday, December 5 at 10:00 P.M. ET/PT | TheFutonCritic.com (http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/09/13/thrilled-novelist-marcus-sakey-unveils-untold-stories-beneath-each-citys-underbelly-in-new-travel-channel-series-hidden-city-premiering-monday-december-5-at-1000-pm-et-pt-207513/20110913travel01/)

THRILLER NOVELIST MARCUS SAKEY UNVEILS UNTOLD STORIES BENEATH EACH CITY'S UNDERBELLY IN NEW TRAVEL CHANNEL SERIES "HIDDEN CITY" PREMIERING MONDAY, DECEMBER 5 AT 10:00 P.M. ET/PT

CHEVY CHASE, MD (September 13, 2011) - Thriller novelist Marcus Sakey knows good stories and how to uncover them. To research his bestselling books, he's shadowed homicide detectives, gone shooting with Special Forces and even learned how to pick a deadbolt. Now in the new original one-hour series, "Hidden City," premiering on Monday, December 5 at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT, Sakey travels the country, city to city, to dig up the less-than-pristine history and reveal the untold story behind each locale, serving as a personal guide to each city's unique past.

The premiere episode explores Sakey's hometown of Chicago, the city famous for reinventing itself through its checkered history. Viewers will meet America's first - and maybe worst - serial killer, H.H. Holmes; walk in the footsteps of legendary gangster, John Dillinger; and dig into the 1968 DNC riots, when protestors clashed with police in a battle royale broadcast live to the world.

Throughout the 12-episode series, Sakey does whatever it takes to get into the heads of the characters that define the city. In Chicago, police were trained in riot control techniques, so he straps on some pads and picks up a baton; and the protestors were hit with Mace - so Sakey takes a blast right in the eyes. Through it all, he interprets the events as a novelist, looking for the plot, characters and themes that put it all together.

Rappelling with SWAT, attending an autopsy, interviewing a porn star, stealing a car - it's all in a week's work. For Sakey, the "who" and "what" tell you everything about "where." From his POV, the gallows humor of a South Central gang cop provides better insight into Los Angeles than a studio tour or a trip to the beach. A typical day can begin with a meeting with the Boston FBI in the morning and end sharing a drink with a Southie bank robber at night.

Additional episodes examine the most notorious historical events of Anchorage, Atlanta, Austin, Boston, the Florida Keys, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington, D.C. As Sakey travels, he's packing his preconceived notions, his attitude and his willingness to be unimpressed. He'll walk the streets, meets the people and take a few bruises to reveal the "Hidden City."

"Hidden City" is produced by Crazy Legs Productions for Travel Channel. For Crazy Legs, the executive producers are Tom Cappello and Michael Lucker. The executive producer for Travel Channel is David E. Gerber.

Read more: Breaking News - Thrilled Novelist Marcus Sakey Unveils Untold Stories Beneath Each City's Underbelly in New Travel Channel Series "Hidden City" Premiering Monday, December 5 at 10:00 P.M. ET/PT | TheFutonCritic.com


Interesting. Sounds quite a bit like City Confidential, the early-mid '00s show narrated by Paul Winfield that profiled a particular murder/crime and what it revealed about the town it occured in, but done in a No Reservations-type first-person stroll through the town.

The long term point does make it interesting. It is also a little hard to put too much value into the pilot of a sitcom since 22 minutes is barely enough time to introduce the characters and put them into their places for a normal show. I'll definitely give this one a second look to see if it is worth keeping.

It is so difficult to tell how good a sitcom will be based on the pilot. The whole first season of Parks and Recreation was weak, but it has turned into one of the best sitcoms on TV.

I'm fairly sure a loosely scripted show based on Pumpy would be far far better than any of this shit.
I have to agree with this.

So far I have been very impressed with 2 Broke Girls a New Girl. To a lesser extent, I have also enjoyed Ringer and Up All Night. I will keep up with all 4 shows, but will certainly drop a couple of them at some point, especially with many other new shows sounding so good - Person of Interest, Terra Nova, Pan Am, and Homeland.

The commercial for "New Girl" made the show look horrible, and it looked worse and worse every time the commercial aired. So it went from horrible the first time to "please stab me in the nuts, as then I'll have something to distract me from this commercial" the 50th time to "I'll just stab myself in the nuts" the 100th time. Good thing I didn't see it a 101st time or I'd be a very unhappy camper right now, I reckon.

The only shows I have added are Homeland and Terra Nova. I have a bad feeling that Terra Nova is going to bomb hard.

I'm fairly sure a loosely scripted show based on Pumpy would be far far better than any of this shit.

Didn't they already make "Hanging with Mr. Cooper"? *runs*

The only shows I have added are Homeland and Terra Nova. I have a bad feeling that Terra Nova is going to bomb hard.

I have Terra Nova on my DVR, but agree that it basically can't be successful. I added several other new shows....trying to get the most out of my TiVo

I have Terra Nova on my DVR, but agree that it basically can't be successful. I added several other new shows....trying to get the most out of my TiVo


This is what will happen to Terra Nova:


New FOX Science Fiction Show:

Does Alan T like it? If yes -> Cancel at end of season / If no -> It will run for 2-3 seasons on days when there is not more American Idol/X-factor/Chef Ramsey shows....



I swear, the kiss of death for fox science fiction shows is me liking them. Fox absolutely never gives them a chance ever.

Dharma & Greg being on TV last night made my year.

Didn't they already make "Hanging with Mr. Cooper"? *runs*
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I swear, the kiss of death for fox science fiction shows is me liking them. Fox absolutely never gives them a chance ever.

(I could have sworn I've made this rant before but I can't find it anywhere)

I understand the reputation Fox has. However, when was the last time any other network even got close to anything Sci Fi? Quick- now name me the last Sci Fi show that any broadcast network let go longer than 2 seasons if I don't let you use Lost (I'd argue that it was probably sold to the network as a lifeboat drama rather than Sci Fi even tho it clearly ended up being some cross between the two with some religious allegory thrown in for good measure).

Clearly there is some exec who is hilariously playing out a real life Charlie Brown and the football scenario only with "Really, Joss Whedon, this time we'll let your show go more than 1 season and not put it in a crappy time slot". But aside from that, what other network was going to show The Sarah Conner Chronicles (my personal favorite) or Firefly or whatever your favorite show is that Fox keeps killing? Face it- they take chances on shows that other networks won't touch with a 10' pole and that's why they keep getting cancelled. Unfortunately, they probably should never have gone to a network in the first place.

SI

Fair enough.. I was about to say hey what about Fringe? but uh that is fox too :)

Still, I always get my hopes up only to have them crushed by more reality tv shows.

Hell, real Sci Fi is getting killed off even on *sigh* SyFy, as they, too, have succumbed to crap creep

SI

Watched the CBS lineup last night, pretty much.

Thought HIMYM looked like it has jumped the shark. 2 1/2 Men sucked beyond belief. Two Broke Girls will be gone by mid season (which in a way suck because that brunette is smoking hot but I cringe every time that blonde opens her mouth, her voice makes my ears bleed).

I swear, the kiss of death for fox science fiction shows is me liking them. Fox absolutely never gives them a chance ever.

Fringe? X-Files? Sliders?

Fox gives Scifi more of a chance than any other network would.

The commercial for "New Girl" made the show look horrible, and it looked worse and worse every time the commercial aired. So it went from horrible the first time to "please stab me in the nuts, as then I'll have something to distract me from this commercial" the 50th time to "I'll just stab myself in the nuts" the 100th time. Good thing I didn't see it a 101st time or I'd be a very unhappy camper right now, I reckon.

Wasn't impressed by the commercial either. And now tonight I see that ZD is in another commercial for...something. And she's singing. She's cute, but I wonder if her hipster act is going to get old quickly with folks.

I thought Two And A Half Men was nice and fresh. Kutcher and Cryer need some time to gel but I get the feeling that Sheen will be back sooner rather than later, perhaps as early as next season.

The more I think about Dharma & Greg the sadder I get. I laughed at their dialog last night but now I'm just sitting here upset with the state of their marriage. Their love was about the power of the cosmos to bring two people together and how it appears Lorre is trying to tell me that not even the cosmos can overcome the human condition and man is that a bummer.

The more I think about Dharma & Greg the sadder I get. I laughed at their dialog last night but now I'm just sitting here upset with the state of their marriage. Their love was about the power of the cosmos to bring two people together and how it appears Lorre is trying to tell me that not even the cosmos can overcome the human condition and man is that a bummer.

Yes

I thought the New Girl pilot was pretty good. I'm disappointed that Damon Wayans is off the show, though. I hope that won't disrupt the show too much.

I thought the New Girl pilot was pretty good. I'm disappointed that Damon Wayans is off the show, though. I hope that won't disrupt the show too much.

This New Girl show bad. Me no likey.

How did Dharma & Greg get involved?

And I actually thought Zooey was the only good part of the show. Not sure about the other characters at all.

The more I think about Dharma & Greg the sadder I get. I laughed at their dialog last night but now I'm just sitting here upset with the state of their marriage. Their love was about the power of the cosmos to bring two people together and how it appears Lorre is trying to tell me that not even the cosmos can overcome the human condition and man is that a bummer.


Really? The fact they made an appearance made me watch the show on demand (never liked the show), but I loved the fact they weren't getting along. Felt real to me. :D

Fringe? X-Files? Sliders?

Fox gives Scifi more of a chance than any other network would.


You missed my post where I used Fringe as an example of a show they did give a chance :)

The first episode was not very funny. This is the new Odd Couple with a poor girl from the block matched up with the daughter of a crooked Wall Street Millionaire who is now broke. There is some potential with the former rich girl helping the poor girl make use of her talents and try to build a business, but I don't think the show will last long enough to see that plan take root.

The Playboy Club could very well be the first show to get the ax. I nearly turned it off half-way through but decided to wait and see if it went anywhere. It didn't.

You really disliked 2 Broke Girls that much? I thought it was funny, and I hope it makes it. I dvr'ed it just as a flyer, but I set it record the series now. I think it showed promise.

Oh, and yeah. The Playboy club sucked. Mafia kingpin gets killed in the back room and no one knows, because you know guys like that always travel alone.

I thought the New Girl pilot was pretty good. I'm disappointed that Damon Wayans is off the show, though. I hope that won't disrupt the show too much.

Although he is fantastic on Happy Endings, so it's all good. New Girl was...meh. We will see if it lasts a full season.

Just read that Nicholas Sparks sold his idea for a new TV show on ABC. Here is a rundown:

'The Notebook' Scribe Nicholas Sparks Sells a TV Show (http://www.aoltv.com/2011/09/20/the-notebook-nicholas-sparks-sells-a-tv-show/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Ftvsquad+%28TV+Squad%29)

Nicholas Sparks has conquered the literary and movie worlds, and now he's coming for TV.

The 'Notebook' author has sold a drama called 'The Watchers' to ABC.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the show follows Raphael, an angel who falls in love with a mortal woman, Sarah, and decides to leave his job as a Watcher -- an angel who "invisibly provides support to humans in time of need."

Unfortunately, things don't turn out so well for the star-crossed lovers when Sarah dies and Rafe "is left to wander the Earth solo as a fallen angel. Dependent on the kindness of strangers and hunted by angels from above and below, Rafe travels undercover, performing miracles as he searches for the meaning of loss and clues to Sarah's fate."

Sparks penned the script with Kristin Hahn ('The Time Traveler's Wife'), and he'll produce the show with Temple Hill Entertainment, the company that adapted the author's 'Dear John' for the big screen.

The next Nicholas Sparks novel to hit theaters is 'The Lucky One,' starring Zac Efron, which is scheduled to be released in 2012.

This sounds nothing like that crappy Nic Cage movie "City of Angels." I mean, Cage wasn't an angel watching over human in their time of need. He didn't meet Meg Ryan, fall in love, and stop being an angel for her. She didn't then suddenly die.

I'm normally not a fan of copyrighting ideas, but there comes a point where it ceases being just an idea and it becomes an exact copy, only the names are changed.

Watched 2 Broke Girls last night. It felt like the pacing was really off. It all just seemed like a line-reading that happened to have people moving around on screen. It seems like it could be good, but the other people in the diner have to go.

Also, the laugh track was crazy loud.

Just read that Nicholas Sparks sold his idea for a new TV show on ABC. Here is a rundown:

'The Notebook' Scribe Nicholas Sparks Sells a TV Show (http://www.aoltv.com/2011/09/20/the-notebook-nicholas-sparks-sells-a-tv-show/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Ftvsquad+%28TV+Squad%29)



This sounds nothing like that crappy Nic Cage movie "City of Angels." I mean, Cage wasn't an angel watching over human in their time of need. He didn't meet Meg Ryan, fall in love, and stop being an angel for her. She didn't then suddenly die.

I'm normally not a fan of copyrighting ideas, but there comes a point where it ceases being just an idea and it becomes an exact copy, only the names are changed.

Seriously.

Wow, New Girl got off to a great start, actually building on the Glee lead-in. Ringer is probably dead now. It couldn't even get a 1.0 in the demo. As always, the CBS procedurals do great with total viewers, but less well (although still good) in the demos.

TV Ratings Tuesday: ‘New Girl’ Strong, Paces Fox Win; ‘Glee’ Premieres Down; ‘Unforgettable’ Opens Solidly - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/21/tv-ratings-tuesday-new-girl-strong-paces-fox-win-glee-premieres-down-unforgettable-opens-solidly/104390/)

Wait, where were Dharma and Greg? What did I miss?

Wait, where were Dharma and Greg? What did I miss?

They apparently popped in on 2 and a Half Men.

Both 2 Broke Girls and New Girl did great ratings, but remains to be seen if they'll hold.

Both 2 Broke Girls and New Girl did great ratings, but remains to be seen if they'll hold.

2 Broke Girls did great, but that was off an enormous lead-in. It will still have a good lead-in (HIMYM) when it moves to it's normal slot next week, so there is hope.

The good news for New Girl is that it built on an already strong lead-in and it improved throughout the half hour, meaning people were not turned off by what they saw.

Hell, real Sci Fi is getting killed off even on *sigh* SyFy, as they, too, have succumbed to crap creep

SI

Monday nights on SyFy are pretty fricken solid.

Quick- now name me the last Sci Fi show that any broadcast network let go longer than 2 seasons if I don't let you use Lost I

Heroes

Monday nights on SyFy are pretty fricken solid.

Unfortunately, Eureka is done after next season. Which blows goats.

Unfortunately, Eureka is done after next season. Which blows goats.
Agreed, my wife and I are both bummed by that, but at least we have another Christmas episode and a season to enjoy. And maybe they will find something good to triple up with WH-13 and Alphas in 2013...

Sat down with the wife to watch New Girl last night and we both thought it was just a mess. There were a couple funny spot but overall if this show hangs around I will be shocked. Overall I really have not cared for any of the new shows having watch Up all Night, Free Agents, New Girl and Unforgettable so far.

Agreed, my wife and I are both bummed by that, but at least we have another Christmas episode and a season to enjoy. And maybe they will find something good to triple up with WH-13 and Alphas in 2013...

See, Warehouse I can stomach (wife likes it more than I do), and neither of us like Alphas. Both loved Eureka.

Maybe hell will freeze over and they'll finally green light a Lost Room series!

Loved New Girl. Hope it stays. Love Zooey obviously, but I laughed pretty hard many times, and I don't usually do that. Wife liked it, too, but she might have a crush on Zooey, too. Doesn't everyone?

Loved New Girl. Hope it stays. Love Zooey obviously, but I laughed pretty hard many times, and I don't usually do that. Wife liked it, too, but she might have a crush on Zooey, too. Doesn't everyone?

Hell yes :)

Loved New Girl. Hope it stays. Love Zooey obviously, but I laughed pretty hard many times, and I don't usually do that. Wife liked it, too, but she might have a crush on Zooey, too. Doesn't everyone?

There's a fine line between cute/sweet and nauseating and the pilot hopped back and forth over it many, many times for me. The ending was predictable(which is fine) but still enjoyable, that plus the model friend is enough for me to give it another go. I'm not sure how much singing I can handle though.

Heroes

True, true. I did forget Heroes which lasted 4.

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True, true. I did forget Heroes which lasted 4.

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And I think NBC would have more than happy to keep it going if they wouldn't have killed it so badly toward the end. The first season of that show was just plain fantastic.

And I think NBC would have more than happy to keep it going if they wouldn't have killed it so badly toward the end. The first season of that show was just plain fantastic.

Agreed, to a point. Problem is that Kring forgot a couple of universal rules of comics like that you can't escalate your powers arms race too quickly or you run out of places to go and that some characters can't be redeemed. I think the writers strike in season 2 killed them. I mean, they were doing basically a couple of plots I remember from the X-Men animated series (Days of Future Past and Time Fugitives) so it seemed a little cliche to me, but, still- good plot lines to use

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Agreed, to a point. Problem is that Kring forgot a couple of universal rules of comics like that you can't escalate your powers arms race too quickly or you run out of places to go and that some characters can't be redeemed. I think the writers strike in season 2 killed them. I mean, they were doing basically a couple of plots I remember from the X-Men animated series (Days of Future Past and Time Fugitives) so it seemed a little cliche to me, but, still- good plot lines to use

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The problem was he built it around single seasons and the second season was going to be a different group. It became massively popular so he had to stick with that group even though he originally had no intention of doing so. This is why season 2 and 3 felt so directionless and seemed to completely ignore what came before it, and tons of stuff simply got dropped.

The first 20 or so episodes of Heroes was damn good. The last 2 or 3 episodes of season 1 were absolutely horrid. The show ne'er recovered from botching the end of the first season.

Definitely agreed with all those points.

And I actually thought Zooey was the only good part of the show. Not sure about the other characters at all.

This. The main "douchebag" roommate (for lack of a better title - I forget his name) seemed dreadful. Zooey was amazing as usual and, FTR, I hope she sings more - completely endearing.

Totally disagree, but then again it's totally subjective. I thought Zooey was less than endearing, and I hope I never have to hear her sing again.

Serious "meh."

There's a fine line between cute/sweet and nauseating and the pilot hopped back and forth over it many, many times for me. The ending was predictable(which is fine) but still enjoyable, that plus the model friend is enough for me to give it another go. I'm not sure how much singing I can handle though.

Pretty much with radii here.

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wait, you said you want to hear her sing again, right?

Diff'rent strokes, I guess. I wasn't impressed at all with that clip.

All I know about her is what I saw on Top Chef a few seasons ago. She's a vegan and apparently has some cool factor I can't quite figure out.

Diff'rent strokes, I guess. I wasn't impressed at all with that clip.

All I know about her is what I saw on Top Chef a few seasons ago. She's a vegan and apparently has some cool factor I can't quite figure out.

She's actually not a vegan anymore. I only know this because I read a New York magazine profile on her last week. She says she doesn't mind the "hipster queen" label attributed to her but that she isn't exactly the way people make her out to be, you know, the vegan hipster indie rock princess.

She & Him, FTW! (I do own both albums, though the second one was a gift and not as good as the first...)

"500 Days of Summer" is also one of my favorite movies... so yeah, I'm fine with a bit of Zooey singing, acting, doing whatever she wants.

If the commercials for "New Girl" didn't make me sick enough, I just realized another reason I can't bring myself to watch that show. "Zooey" isn't a name. "Zooey" is how you describe your body hair when it starts getting out of control.

"Wow, I'm starting to look a little zooey down there. Might need to shave."

From a friend in the tv biz...

Maybe the biggest story of the season so far: X FACTOR comes in 3rd at 9PM! It lost viewers every half hour. Holy moly.

CRIMINAL MINDS and MODERN FAMILY beat X FACTOR.

9-10PM
MODERN FAMILY: 9.7/15
CRIMINAL MINDS: 8.9/14
X FACTOR: 8.7/14

wow.. that is interesting..

I think the biggest problem is the couple of items mentioned with bad contestants not just being given time, but being put through.

Criminal Minds kicks ass.

X-Factor is only third among total viewers, which nobody but CBS really cares about. It won the 18-49 demo going away at 8pm and finished 2nd only to a monster Modern Family number at 9pm. And I don't get the losing viewers comment. It had 11.72 million viewers at 8pm and 12.56 million viewers at 9pm. It also jumped from 4.0 to 4.4 in the demo. Those aren't American Idol numbers, but hardly something worth panicking over.

However, Free Agents is completely finished with 2nd week numbers worthy of the CW. I wonder if it will even make it to episode 3. Up All Night is also in danger, but I bet they give that more of a chance. Revenge debuting with a victory over CSI and L&O in the demo is a pretty strong sign, although it lost a ton of Modern Family's monstrous lead-in.

TV Ratings Wednesday: ‘X Factor’ No ‘Idol’; ‘Modern Family’ Premieres Big; ‘Revenge’ Gets Nice Start; CSI > SVU - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/22/tv-ratings-wednesday-x-factor-no-idol-modern-family-premieres-big-revenge-gets-nice-start-csi-svu/104503/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29)

X-Factor is only third among total viewers, which nobody but CBS really cares about. It won the 18-49 demo going away at 8pm and finished 2nd only to a monster Modern Family number at 9pm. And I don't get the losing viewers comment. It had 11.72 million viewers at 8pm and 12.56 million viewers at 9pm. It also jumped from 4.0 to 4.4 in the demo. Those aren't American Idol numbers, but hardly something worth panicking over.

However, Free Agents is completely finished with 2nd week numbers worthy of the CW. I wonder if it will even make it to episode 3. Up All Night is also in danger, but I bet they give that more of a chance. Revenge debuting with a victory over CSI and L&O in the demo is a pretty strong sign, although it lost a ton of Modern Family's monstrous lead-in.

TV Ratings Wednesday: ‘X Factor’ No ‘Idol’; ‘Modern Family’ Premieres Big; ‘Revenge’ Gets Nice Start; CSI > SVU - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/22/tv-ratings-wednesday-x-factor-no-idol-modern-family-premieres-big-revenge-gets-nice-start-csi-svu/104503/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29)

I could see them swapping Up All Night and Whitney by the end of next week.

I could see them swapping Up All Night and Whitney by the end of next week.

Definitely. That would be the perfect spot for it. Up All Night will get plenty of leeway because it's a good show and has a notable cast, much like other NBC comedies that have lasted thrived despite bad ratings (Parks, Community, 30 Rock.) Also, NBC is a mess and they can't cancel everything.

X-Factor is only third among total viewers, which nobody but CBS really cares about. It won the 18-49 demo going away at 8pm and finished 2nd only to a monster Modern Family number at 9pm. And I don't get the losing viewers comment. It had 11.72 million viewers at 8pm and 12.56 million viewers at 9pm. It also jumped from 4.0 to 4.4 in the demo. Those aren't American Idol numbers, but hardly something worth panicking over.

However, Free Agents is completely finished with 2nd week numbers worthy of the CW. I wonder if it will even make it to episode 3. Up All Night is also in danger, but I bet they give that more of a chance. Revenge debuting with a victory over CSI and L&O in the demo is a pretty strong sign, although it lost a ton of Modern Family's monstrous lead-in.

TV Ratings Wednesday: ‘X Factor’ No ‘Idol’; ‘Modern Family’ Premieres Big; ‘Revenge’ Gets Nice Start; CSI > SVU - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/22/tv-ratings-wednesday-x-factor-no-idol-modern-family-premieres-big-revenge-gets-nice-start-csi-svu/104503/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29)

My friend's e-mail was based on prelim numbers, but apparently X Factor spiked at 8:30 and fell at 9:00.

I actually liked 2 Broke Girls pretty well. Dennings seemed to mail it in a bit and Garrett Morris was just kind of weird, but I think the framework is pretty good. Having the goal of making $250K seems kind of cool.

The years of hype didn’t really pay off for Fox’s The X Factor, which had significantly fewer viewers than American Idol did when it returned last January with new judges Steven Tyler and Jennifer Lopez. They generated far more interest than Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul did, which is perhaps not a huge surprise.

While that’s not a direct comparison, since they aired at different times of the year, it was a huge difference: Idol had 26.2 million viewers (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/american_idol_10/2011_Jan_20_debut_ratings) when it debuted; The X Factor had less than half of that: 12.14 million viewers. Worse for Simon Cowell, while his show won its first hour, Modern Family easily beat it in the second in overall viewers and viewers 18 to 49.

The X Factor did beat Survivor South Pacific in both total viewers and those 18 to 49, and CBS’ ratings press release, which usually notes how its show won its timeslot, instead said simply that it “was second in households (6.3/10), viewers (10.36m), adults 25-54 (4.2/11) and adults 18-49 (3.1/09).” However, TV By the Numbers notes (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/22/tv-ratings-wednesday-x-factor-no-idol-modern-family-premieres-big-revenge-gets-nice-start-csi-svu/104503/) that it “held up” with ratings that were just slightly lower than last week’s, so Survivor wasn’t really injured by Simon Cowell.

What does this mean for Simon Cowell? Yesterday, Ad Age said (http://adage.com/article/the-media-guy/simon-cowell-26-2-million-x-factor-viewers/229935/) that The X Factor “needs to attract at least 26.2 million viewers tonight. Anything less than that number — which is what the premiere episode of the Cowell-free 10th season of American Idol drew in January — will surely be a huge disappointment for him.”

On The Today Show yesterday (http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2011/09/21/7877278-cowell-expects-fireworks-if-x-factor-bombs), Simon said, “There are so many people, you know, dying for you to fail,” and added, “You will see the most ginormous fireworks displays in L.A. if this show bombs.”

And by Simon’s standards, it did bomb. In August, Simon said that it would be “a disappointment” (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/x-factors-simon-cowell-slams-226628) to have fewer than 20 million viewers.*

I mena, if they're saying it's a bomb because they were expecting AI numbers, then sure. I was simply disputing the conclusion being made earlier because it was focused on total viewers and seemed misleading as to how it finished for the night. If it drops in the ensuing weeks, then I'll agree it is a bomb. But if it maintains these numbers (which any new show would kill for), then I doubt FOX will be weeping.

I don't think they considered this any new show, but a viable AI replacement for the fall. I think that's the main reason this show was put on the air. They didn't want to dilute the AI brand by running multiple seasons, so Simon broke off and brought this "completely unique and different" show to the US.

TV Ratings Thursday: ‘Big Bang Theory’ Leads Night; ‘X-Factor’ Steady; Solid Starts for ‘Whitney,’ ‘Person of Interest’ - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/23/tv-ratings-thursday-big-bang-theory-leads-night-x-factor-slips-solid-starts-for-whitney-person-of-interest/104656/)

Great numbers for Big Bang Theory, which pretty much dominated the night.

Good numbers for The Office, Grey's Anatomy, and X-Factor.

Among the new shows - Whitney and Person of Interest had good numbers, but lost chunks of their lead-ins. Hard to judge them until seeing how they hold next week. Terrible starts for Charlie's Angels and Prime Suspect. Clock is already ticking on them.

CW, lol.

CW, lol.

Beaten by Univision

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Oh also worth noting. FOX won Thursday night premiere week in 18-49 for the first time ever. They've now won Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday to start the season. CBS won Monday.

Prime Suspect was excellent. I hope they stick with it and it gains enough audience. Person of Interest is a solid idea but everything seemed really clunky and disjointed.


I think NBC will. They have nothing else going for it, so they'll give a good show time to build.

That's a good point. The best thing Prime Suspect has going for it is being on NBC. Here are the 18-49 numbers for NBC's scripted shows this week:

The Office 3.9
Witney 3.2
Up All Night 2.3
Law & Order: SVU 2.3
Parenthood 2.1
Parks and Rec 2.0
Prime Suspect 1.8
Community 1.7
The Playboy Club 1.7
Free Agents 1.3
Harry's Law 1.2

Community is not going anywhere simply because it is about to reach the magic number for syndication. They will not cancel it before then, but this will probably be its last season. But that still leaves three shows for NBC to replace before they worry about Prime Suspect, which is more critically acclaimed than any of them.

It's the same reasoning that has allowed Parks & Rec, Community, Chuck, and Parenthood (not to mention the early seasons of The Office) to last as long as they have.

That's a good point. The best thing Prime Suspect has going for it is being on NBC. Here are the 18-49 numbers for NBC's scripted shows this week:

The Office 3.9
Witney 3.2
Up All Night 2.3
Law & Order: SVU 2.3
Parenthood 2.1
Parks and Rec 2.0
Prime Suspect 1.8
Community 1.7
The Playboy Club 1.7
Free Agents 1.3
Harry's Law 1.2

Community is not going anywhere simply because it is about to reach the magic number for syndication. They will not cancel it before then, but this will probably be its last season. But that still leaves three shows for NBC to replace before they worry about Prime Suspect, which is more critically acclaimed than any of them.

It's the same reasoning that has allowed Parks & Rec, Community, Chuck, and Parenthood (not to mention the early seasons of The Office) to last as long as they have.

Considering the magic number is normally 75, community won't hit that till season 4...(this is season 3).

Considering the magic number is normally 75, community won't hit that till season 4...(this is season 3).

The season premiere is its 50th episode. So a 26 episode season would get it to the magic number.

Have any CSI fans watched the Ted Danson premier? Thoughts?

Have any CSI fans watched the Ted Danson premier? Thoughts?

There's a fine line between "quirky" and "annoying." I haven't decided which side DB (Danson's character) falls on for me. I'll give it a little more time, but CSI is clearly not what it was when William Petersen was around.

I enjoyed the Person of Interest pilot. It has a really cool premise and there were some cool action sequences, but I fear that this is on CBS because it is more of a procedural than other JJ Abrams shows. It seems like we'll just get a new mystery every week and not much of an ongoing storyline, especially with so few regular characters to focus on. That type of show doesn't interest me at all. I will watch a couple more to see if I'm wrong.

I liked Person of Interest and will tune in at least for a few more episodes to see where they take the story.

I am interested to see what Terra Nova has to offer tonight. Anyone else watching Terra Nova with some interest?

I liked Person of Interest and will tune in at least for a few more episodes to see where they take the story.

I am interested to see what Terra Nova has to offer tonight. Anyone else watching Terra Nova with some interest?



Yes to both

I enjoyed the Person of Interest pilot. It has a really cool premise and there were some cool action sequences, but I fear that this is on CBS because it is more of a procedural than other JJ Abrams shows. It seems like we'll just get a new mystery every week and not much of an ongoing storyline, especially with so few regular characters to focus on. That type of show doesn't interest me at all. I will watch a couple more to see if I'm wrong.

I have a feeling you'll get this too. I also don't think I can get by the total unreasonableness of it and then still have it portrayed as a realistic show.

I am interested to see what Terra Nova has to offer tonight. Anyone else watching Terra Nova with some interest?

very much looking forward to it.:)

On a sidenote : It was a concious decicion to go back 85 mio years and not an accident, right ? Why in the world would that seem a good period in time to go to for a settlement ? :confused: (if you were a scientist, not speaking of what would make a good series)

I am also looking forward to Terra Nova tonight.

Terra Nova is all set to DVR, we'll give it a whirl. We'll add it to the rotation with Castle (must see) and Charlie's Angels (we'll give it another couple of episodes to see how it holds up). It's likely to replace Mythbusters since Amazon doesn't have the last two shows of last season on, which makes me worried (there was an episode or two during the season that I had to wait like a week to watch because of some licensing issue).

Already seeing a massive flaw with the Terra Nova concept. How can they know the travel is successful?
Easy, they buried something in Egypt next the stargate and they were found together.

There's a fine line between "quirky" and "annoying." I haven't decided which side DB (Danson's character) falls on for me. I'll give it a little more time, but CSI is clearly not what it was when William Petersen was around.

Huge +1

So what are your thoughts on Terra Nova? Personally I'm kind of tired of the "lets bring a family into a strange situation and see how they deal with it" (done recently with werewolves/vampires/others in one community, aliens, superpowers, and now time travel and dinosaurs) The whole "teenager rebellion" is tired too.

Liked how they set things up to get them back in time (see global warming is real! ;) ), and that they set it up so they are in an alternate universe so they can't muck up "our" Earth. I'm interested in the mystery of how the portal came to be and why it goes back to dinosaur times, and the mysteries behind Terra Nova itself. Not so interested in the people themselves-actors are mostly unknown to me and it was the pilot episode, so I suspect they will get more comfortable with their roles as time goes by (pun intended).

The "Sixers" are ok as the "villains", but I think I would have preferred something more "out there" since it is an alternate universe. But maybe they will grow on me as we find out more about their purpose in opposing Terra Nova.

I think it will be a nice "make a bowl of popcorn and sit back and enjoy the adventure type of show" rather than a serious tense mystery filled show. Nothing wrong with that of course.

Teenage son = meh. just an annoying plot device-driver IMO

Interested in finding out more about those writings on the rocks by Taylor's son (I assume - maybe he's the real leader of the 6ers?) and that whole side of things.

Dinosaurs are cool.

Other than that...it was a pilot - can't be too harshified on it.

Yeah I thought it was a decent start that I will keep watching for now. Some interesting mysteries about the rocks, why the portal is there, why it took them 85 million years in the past etc. Some parts were a little to sugary for me but my kids really liked it so it is a show we can all watch which is nice.

For all the talk of X-Factor's disappointing ratings, the show was key in helping FOX win premiere week for the first time ever.

Fox Tops Preliminary Premiere Week Adults 18-49 Ratings; Only English Broadcast Net Up With Adults 18-49 v. Last Season - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/26/fox-tops-preliminary-premiere-week-adults-18-49-ratings-only-broadcast-net-up-with-adults-18-49/104988/)

I don't want to be the douchey internet police, but can we spoiler tag some stuff that is related to the plot of a show.

IMO If you are in a thread for a certain show and see something plot related it is your own fault, but this thread had ratings, etc...I would like to avoid spoilers if possible.

For all the talk of X-Factor's disappointing ratings, the show was key in helping FOX win premiere week for the first time ever.

Fox Tops Preliminary Premiere Week Adults 18-49 Ratings; Only English Broadcast Net Up With Adults 18-49 v. Last Season - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/26/fox-tops-preliminary-premiere-week-adults-18-49-ratings-only-broadcast-net-up-with-adults-18-49/104988/)


Disappointing that it didn't hit anywhere near AI. But it still was a rating winner for Fox. I think it is more just a thumb in the eye of Simon that he couldn't best his old show. It is not like it is going to be cancelled or anything unless it drops off a cliff later in the run.

I don't want to be the douchey internet police, but can we spoiler tag some stuff that is related to the plot of a show.

IMO If you are in a thread for a certain show and see something plot related it is your own fault, but this thread had ratings, etc...I would like to avoid spoilers if possible.

Or maybe we should make a new thread for the show...

Terra Nova does a disappointing 3.0 with A18-49. Finished 3rd behind the CBS sitcom block & ABC's DWTS (which tumbled to a series low 3.3 itself).

Yeah, iX-Factor is only a disappointment for a couple of reasons - one, it didn't live up to its creators own lofty goal, and two, the show appears to suck, or at best be an AI clone with a couple not all that interesting twists. But if it can pull $12M strong all season, it will probably hang around. It looks like it has ratings comparable to the The Voice, which ran about a month during AI and then during singing competition fatigue (after 5 months of AI).

Terra Nova does a disappointing 3.0 with A18-49. Finished 3rd behind the CBS sitcom block & ABC's DWTS (which tumbled to a series low 3.3 itself).

How dissapointing is that really? They had to know that the CBS sitcom block is huge, and DWTS is a reality show. I dunno...think if I was FOX I might be somewhat happy with that. It's something to build on - I don't think they expected to own the timeslot.

How dissapointing is that really? They had to know that the CBS sitcom block is huge, and DWTS is a reality show. I dunno...think if I was FOX I might be somewhat happy with that. It's something to build on - I don't think they expected to own the timeslot.

Is 20 Million worth 3rd place?

so, it's been 18 years since Jurassic Park...why would the dinosaur special effects be worse?

The only good thing about Terra Nova is that it stayed pretty even throughout the two hours. That bodes well for it holding its numbers for next week. I'm not sure what the cutoff point is for it based on the cost of the show, but if it can level off in the high 2's then I think they might keep it around. Still a very disappointing number to be sure.

The most interesting number of the night is that 2 Broke Girls actually built on HIMYM's audience. Looks like we've got a certified hit here. CBS totally owns Monday.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/27/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-two-and-a-half-men-tops-sunday-night-football-for-week-ending-september-25-2011/104976/

Wow, how screwed would NBC be without Football? Their top scripted show (The Office) didn't even crack the top 20 during premiere week.

Comedies clearly dominating the season so far. The highest ranked drama is NCIS at 15th. Of course, total viewers tell a different story, but only Les Moonves is looking at that list.

TV Ratings Broadcast Top 25: ‘Two And A Half Men’ Tops ‘Sunday Night Football’ For Week Ending September 25, 2011 - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/27/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-two-and-a-half-men-tops-sunday-night-football-for-week-ending-september-25-2011/104976/)

Wow, how screwed would NBC be without Football? Their top scripted show (The Office) didn't even crack the top 20 during premiere week.

Comedies clearly dominating the season so far. The highest ranked drama is NCIS at 15th. Of course, total viewers tell a different story, but only Les Moonves is looking at that list.


Wow. Those are some interesting numbers. I don't think the sitcom is dead yet.

Wow. Those are some interesting numbers. I don't think the sitcom is dead yet.

And that's not even counting Mike and Molly, which just scored a big number with its season premiere last night. It'll be interesting to see how well New Girl holds up.

The only good thing about Terra Nova is that it stayed pretty even throughout the two hours. That bodes well for it holding its numbers for next week. I'm not sure what the cutoff point is for it based on the cost of the show, but if it can level off in the high 2's then I think they might keep it around. Still a very disappointing number to be sure.

The most interesting number of the night is that 2 Broke Girls actually built on HIMYM's audience. Looks like we've got a certified hit here. CBS totally owns Monday.

2 Broke Girls was very funny. Set a series recording up for it last night based on last night's episode.

Or maybe we should make a new thread for the show...

Thread created-go there to discuss Terra Nova from now on unless its just about its ratings please

I've enjoyed Unforgettable so far. Interesting use of her skills. They should have her guest on NCIS. She and Gibbs could run the whole thing.

TV Ratings Tuesday: ‘New Girl’ Leads Fox Win; ‘Parenthood,’ ’90210′ Rise, While Post-Premiere Declines Vary - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/28/tv-ratings-tuesday-new-girl-leads-fox-win-parenthood-90210-rise-while-post-premiere-declines-vary/105213/)

FOX wins Tuesday again thanks to a stellar second week from New Girl (only falling 9% from premiere and building on Glee again.)

Raising Hope almost cost FOX the night.

For CBS, it's nice to have Unforgettable winning the timeslot but it was down 14% from last week. If it keeps falling, then Parenthood might actually start winning the timeslot. That would be awesome.

NBC and ABC, lol. They almost lost to Univision.

Ringer stays even with a 0.9 and if it maintains that number it might just get renewed because the CW can't cancel every single show.

Ugh. Why does New Girl do well? Ugh ugh.

Because Zooey is amazingly cute :)

Because Zooey is amazingly cute :)

+100

Because Zooey is amazingly cute :)

She's alright. I find her character annoying though. And the singing kills me.

Zooey could just sit there reading a book for 30 minutes and they'd get a rating point from me.

I like the guy replacing Coach better than Coach, so that's an improvement. I also like that they seem to maybe have added something more to that douchebag character... he knew about jams for some reason, had that awesome slap on Spencer, and then agreed to watch Curly Sue when the other guys left. I like that better than the full-on douche act he had in the pilot.

I agree that Zooey just does it for me in this show. Even small things are just funny and/or cute.

Zooey could just sit there reading a book for 30 minutes and they'd get a rating point from me.

+1000!

I like the guy replacing Coach better than Coach, so that's an improvement. I also like that they seem to maybe have added something more to that douchebag character... he knew about jams for some reason, had that awesome slap on Spencer, and then agreed to watch Curly Sue when the other guys left. I like that better than the full-on douche act he had in the pilot.

I agree that Zooey just does it for me in this show. Even small things are just funny and/or cute.

I don't know, Woody was pretty good.

I don't know, Woody was pretty good.

Who's Woody? Coach? His yelling annoyed me.

Who's Woody? Coach? His yelling annoyed me.

I think that was a Cheers joke.

Unsuprisingly, New Girl has a full season pickup.

FOX Gives “New Girl� A Full-Season Pickup - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/28/fox-gives-%E2%80%9Cnew-girl%E2%80%9D-a-full-season-pickup/105348/)

Not sure what I think of New Girl at the moment, going to give it another few weeks before I decide either way.

I do know for sure that I hate 2 Broke Girls.

I don't know, Woody was pretty good.
You're officially old now.

I love the 2 Broke Girls, but I hate every other character in the show. It's like they've all wandered in from some bad 80s sitcom. The main two are enough to keep me around for now, but they really need to work on the supporting cast.

I love the 2 Broke Girls, but I hate every other character in the show. It's like they've all wandered in from some bad 80s sitcom. The main two are enough to keep me around fow now, but they really need to work on the supporting cast.

This is actually true.

I like Up All Night so far, being a new parent who relates to a lot of the things that have happened on the show already.. And Whitney showed promise, IMO. It was clearly a little sloppy feeling as a pilot, but I am interested in seeing where it goes. I like the boyfriend character, partially because his character "Topher" on Workaholics was goddamn hilarious.

Also thought New Girl was much better in episode 2.

Meanwhile, the return of Parks and Rec and The Office have been enjoyable as well.

Meanwhile, the return of Parks and Rec and The Office have been enjoyable as well.

I haven't watched the first episode of The Office yet. I did enjoy "Parks & Rec."

Over the last two years, "Parks & Rec" has been head and shoulders above the rest of NBC's Thursday night comedies. I still enjoy the others, but none have been as consistently funny.

I haven't watched the first episode of The Office yet. I did enjoy "Parks & Rec."

Over the last two years, "Parks & Rec" has been head and shoulders above the rest of NBC's Thursday night comedies. I still enjoy the others, but none have been as consistently funny.

Agreed. Parks & Rec is the best comedy on TV right now. They have an incredibly likable main character in Leslie Knope, an iconic character in Ron Swanson, and a terrific supporting cast. They haven't had a bad episode in a long, long time.

Agreed. Parks & Rec is the best comedy on TV right now.

Community is my favorite, but Parks & Rec is not far behind. That has to be the best hour of TV all week.

I love the 2 Broke Girls, but I hate every other character in the show. It's like they've all wandered in from some bad 80s sitcom. The main two are enough to keep me around for now, but they really need to work on the supporting cast.

This. The Asian manager is a walking stereotype and not funny. The foreign cook is stupid, too. Replace those two characters and you'll have a much better show.

Agreed. Parks & Rec is the best comedy on TV right now. They have an incredibly likable main character in Leslie Knope, an iconic character in Ron Swanson, and a terrific supporting cast. They haven't had a bad episode in a long, long time.

I finally followed everyone's advice and started watching this show. I almost gave up on it after every episode of the first season, I did make it to the second season when it became worth watching.

I finally followed everyone's advice and started watching this show. I almost gave up on it after every episode of the first season, I did make it to the second season when it became worth watching.

The first season is kind of hit and miss but still solid. The old love interest of Leslie's was never any good but I loved Andy and the pit. But now this show is one of my favorites.

Parks/Rec definitely took a few episodes to find its stride, but thankfully NBC let it ride and it is easily one of the best shows out there right now. Ron Swanson is absolutely amazing.

The first season is kind of hit and miss but still solid. The old love interest of Leslie's was never any good but I loved Andy and the pit. But now this show is one of my favorites.

I absolutely hated season one, but then I don't enjoy embarrassing humor. There was a lot of that in season one, but much less in two. I also think Amy Poehler modified her character just enough to be a good combination of quirky but still realistic.

I also think Amy Poehler modified her character just enough to be a good combination of quirky but still realistic.

That was the key. In the first season Leslie annoyed me, but her worst points were toned down a little for the second season, and that made all the difference.

TV Ratings Wednesday: ‘Suburgatory’ Gets A Good Start; ‘X Factor’ Leads Fox Win, As Post-Premiere Declines Vary - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/29/tv-ratings-wednesday-suburgatory-gets-a-good-start-x-factor-leads-fox-win-as-post-premiere-declines-vary/105373/)

X-Factor down 11% but it was enough to win the night for FOX all by itself.

Good news for ABC is Modern Family still dominates and Suburgatory had a good debut. Happy Endings had good numbers, but ABC can't be happy with the major loss from Modern Family (5.6 to 3.2). Revenge crashed in week 2. Not a surprise.

NBC, lol. They lost to Univision. Free Agents in CW territory with a 1.0.

I will give Suburgatory a shot. Didn't know it permiered last night.

I feel bad for NBC, since they air 75% of the shows I currently watch.

That percentage will drop to 60% once "Walking Dead" starts, but could jump back up to 66% in February when both "30 Rock" and "Walking Dead" are on.

Fascinating, I know.

I will give Suburgatory a shot. Didn't know it permiered last night.

I feel bad for NBC, since they air 75% of the shows I currently watch.

That percentage will drop to 60% once "Walking Dead" starts, but could jump back up to 66% in February when both "30 Rock" and "Walking Dead" are on.

Fascinating, I know.

I'm happy NBC is doing so shitty, since 0% of the NBC shows I watch would still be on the air if the network was doing better

Suburgatory was alright. I'm a sucker for girls with red hair and green or blue eyes though.

Free Agents in CW territory with a 1.0.

I don't get why Free Agents is not doing better. Hank Azaria is very funny and he and Kathryn Hahn have fun chemistry. This should be doing much better.

Suburgatory was alright. I'm a sucker for girls with red hair and green or blue eyes though.

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/09/2/6/7/37734212829831214.jpg

This was courtesy of an ABC press release, which is pretty funny because the demo wasn't specific enough they also cancelled out multiple NBC entries by excluding sports so they could justify fitting in three of their shows that tied at the bottom. Still, it's a pretty interesting look at a more specific demo that some advertisers crave...

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="425"><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" height="17" width="425">Primetime Top 15 - Upscale Adults 18-49</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" height="17">9/19/11-9/25/11-Excluding Sports</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18"> </td> <td> </td> <td>
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</td> <td>Program</td> <td>Rating</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>Two and a Half Men (http://tvbythenumbers.com/two-and-a-half-men-cbs)</td> <td>12.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">ABC</td> <td>Modern Family (http://tvbythenumbers.com/modern-family-abc) SP-9/21</td> <td>10.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">ABC</td> <td>Modern Family (http://tvbythenumbers.com/modern-family-abc)</td> <td>9.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>2 Broke Girls (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2-broke-girls-cbs/)</td> <td>7.6</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">NBC</td> <td>OFFICE</td> <td>6.6</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">FOX</td> <td>Glee (http://tvbythenumbers.com/glee-fox)</td> <td>6.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">FOX</td> <td>New Girl (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/new-girl-fox/)</td> <td>6.1</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>How I Met Your Mother (http://tvbythenumbers.com/how-i-met-your-mother-cbs) 830</td> <td>6.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>Big Bang Theory (http://tvbythenumbers.com/big-bang-theory-cbs), THE - SP</td> <td>5.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>Big Bang Theory (http://tvbythenumbers.com/big-bang-theory-cbs), THE</td> <td>5.6</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">CBS</td> <td>How I Met Your Mother (http://tvbythenumbers.com/how-i-met-your-mother-cbs)</td> <td>5.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">FOX</td> <td>X-FACTOR-WED</td> <td>4.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">ABC</td> <td>Pan Am (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/pan-am-abc/)</td> <td>4.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">ABC</td> <td>Dancing with the Stars (http://tvbythenumbers.com/dancing-with-the-stars-abc)</td> <td>4.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="18">ABC</td> <td>GREY'S ANATOMY</td> <td>4.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="19">NBC</td> <td>Whitney (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/whitney-nbc/)</td> <td>4.4</td></tr></tbody></table>

This was courtesy of an ABC press release, which is pretty funny because the demo wasn't specific enough they also cancelled out multiple NBC entries by excluding sports so they could justify fitting in three of their shows that tied at the bottom. Still, it's a pretty interesting look at a more specific demo that some advertisers crave...

That's a pretty good one, although the trick with excluding sports is relatively fair since the prices for those are almost always out of whack.

The catch, for buyers at least, is that you have to pay for the unwashed masses to get to those six-figure folks. The more mainstream success any of these shows has, the more expensive/less efficient using them to reach that narrow target becomes. So the really attractive shows here, for marketers of exclusive products at least, are the ones that probably look like duds overall (Pan Am I'm looking at you)

I don't get why Free Agents is not doing better. Hank Azaria is very funny and he and Kathryn Hahn have fun chemistry. This should be doing much better.
My wife and I enjoy the show, but it feels like it's missing something. Can't really put a finger on it, but I'm not surprised it's not doing well.

NBC, lol. They lost to Univision. Free Agents in CW territory with a 1.0.

Well, not quite that bad, CW is usually thrilled to actually get a 1.anything ;)

Here's another way to look at it though: Free Agents seems likely to lose straight up to NCIS reruns on USA.

That's a pretty good one, although the trick with excluding sports is relatively fair since the prices for those are almost always out of whack.

The catch, for buyers at least, is that you have to pay for the unwashed masses to get to those six-figure folks. The more mainstream success any of these shows has, the more expensive/less efficient using them to reach that narrow target becomes. So the really attractive shows here, for marketers of exclusive products at least, are the ones that probably look like duds overall (Pan Am I'm looking at you)

That's a good point. I know that's what helped keep The Office around in its early season. I'd like to see beyond the top 15. I'm willing to bet Parks and Rec and Community both make a considerable jump. Probably Parenthood as well.

I don't watch much TV, but I'm less likely to watch NBC shows than any other network's. The commercials for NBC shows are 1) horrible at telling me what the show is about or 2) making it look like the exact same thing happens every episode. For some of these shows, I've seen commercials for years and I still know nothing more than:

Parks and Recreation - Amy Poehler is smiling at the camera
Community - Chevy Chase is in it
30 Rock - Tina Fey is exasperated
Up All Night - They've been up all night
Law & Order: SVU - Mariska Hargitay is hot

The Office seems to be the only show where the commercial gives me some idea of what's actually going on. I'm not exactly your average person or anything, but I imagine that this is a reason that some people aren't watching these shows. They don't know what they're going to be watching.

Then again, I eat paste.

I don't watch much TV, but I'm less likely to watch NBC shows than any other network's. The commercials for NBC shows are 1) horrible at telling me what the show is about or 2) making it look like the exact same thing happens every episode. For some of these shows, I've seen commercials for years and I still know nothing more than:

Parks and Recreation - Amy Poehler is smiling at the camera
Community - Chevy Chase is in it
30 Rock - Tina Fey is exasperated
Up All Night - They've been up all night
Law & Order: SVU - Mariska Hargitay is hot

The Office seems to be the only show where the commercial gives me some idea of what's actually going on. I'm not exactly your average person or anything, but I imagine that this is a reason that some people aren't watching these shows. They don't know what they're going to be watching.

Then again, I eat paste.

Psh. Thems a lot words there Pumpy when you could have just simply said:

"I don't watch much TV, but I'm less likely to watch NBC shows than any other network's. The commercials for NBC shows clearly indicate that their shows will have no dongs. I'm not exactly your average person or anything, but I imagine that this is a reason that some people aren't watching these shows. They know what they're going to be watching and it aint no dongs."

I do love dongs on TV.

I hope you watched baseball last night, then:

http://deadspin.com/5845077/dan-uggla-celebrated-his-home-run-last-night-by-dong+bumping-david-ross-video

TV Ratings Thursday: ‘X Factor’ Down, Still Leads Fox Win; ‘Gentleman’ Well Below ‘#$*!’; As Post-Premiere Declines Sweep Away Ratings - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/09/30/tv-ratings-thursday-x-factor-down-still-leads-fox-win-gentleman-well-below-as-post-premiere-declines-sweep-away-ratings/105517/)

Pretty much everything was down (with the odd exceptions of Community and Vampire Diaries) from last week. FOX wins yet again and I think it's clear at this point they will be winning the season long 18-49 crown for the 8th straight year. They usually stay around long enough for American Idol to put them on top later in the season, but now that they have a head start even before AI premieres makes it pretty unlikely anyone can catch them. However, it should be noted that FOX does not program in the 10pm hour, giving them a significant advantage.

Whitney tumbled in week 2, which is not a surprise. I predict this will be Up All Night's new timeslot very soon. Thursday is not a good night for new shows. Only Person of Interest can really claim decent numbers, only dropping 13% from last week. How to Be a Gentleman pulled a 2.7, but that's after a 4.8 BBT lead-in. Terrible #'s for Charlie's Angels and Prime Suspect.

Rare good news for the CW. Vampire Diaries scores a 1.3 and The Secret Circle holds steady from last week.

At least Prime Suspect isn't on the chopping block yet. NBC has to deal with The Playboy Club and Free Agents first, and the NBC President says they are going to give both shows some time, which is pretty funny. I can't wait for a Big Three Network show to fall below a 1.0. I wonder if that has ever happened in premiere month before?

I started recording several new shows when the debuted, and am catching up to them on my TiVo.

Already shitcanned Whitney, 1 1/2 episodes were not very funny and I don't see it getting any better.

Watching the Person Of Interest pilot right now. This show is pretty good, I'll be following for the near future.

I think Whitney is a good comedian (albeit a tad overated), but that show is horrible. I don't know why they gave her a live-in boyfriend. She's just not the person to carry that role. Should be single and playing off friends and scenarios.

I know reality TV isn't anyone's cup o' tea around here, but here are a few shows we'll either be watching or checking out, in addition to Storm Chasers:

Outback Wrangler [Nat Geo Wild, Oct. 5, Wednesdays at 9]<O:p</O:p
Gold Rush 2 [Discovery, Oct. 28, Fridays at 9]<O:p</O:p
Coast Guard Alaska [The Weather Channel, Nov. 9, Wednesdays at 9]<O:p</O:p
The Layover [Travel Channel, Nov. 21, Mondays at 9]<O:p</O:p

Really interested in The Layover, which is Anthony Bourdain's new show. He spends 24-48 hours in a place, touring the area and showing you all the good spots (and all the good food, of course). It's like No Reservations on speed, or a combination of No Reservations and Insomniac, it looks like.

We gave Whitney and Suburgatory tests that lasted ten minutes before we screamed in agony.

Was anybody else thoroughly creeped out by how the 'girl' on Suburgatory looks not only too old to be the dad's daughter, but too old to be his wife/girl friend too? He looks late 20's and she looks/acts late 30's. Cougartown, maybe (or possibly Cougarton Abbey), but too close to incest for my taste.

Homeland was great (Showtime, Sunday, 10PM).

Mrs Tyke & I like Prime Suspect as well. Since we've removed Special Victims Unit from our rotation, we have an opening for a procedural. I hope the ratings improve enough for it to stick around and gel.

Homeland was great (Showtime, Sunday, 10PM).
Good to hear! It's sitting on my Tivo now waiting for me...

As for Suburgatory, I thought it was a terrific show. One of my favorite comedies of the new season. I loved how it took certain characters (like Cheryl Hines) that seemed one dimensional at first and humanized them. That puts it a step ahead of 2 Broke Girls at the moment.

I didn't notice any age problems with the main characters. Jane Levy is 21 and Jeremy Sisto is 37, and that's about how they looked to me.

Did not like 2 Broke Girls last night. I like Kat Dennings, but can see her getting annoying pretty quickly.

Maybe it's due to where I am in life, but I can look past the obvious flaws and still find Up All Night to be a very enjoyable show.

Did not like 2 Broke Girls last night. I like Kat Dennings, but can see her getting annoying pretty quickly.

We tried this show, got about 15 minutes in and couldn't tolerate it anymore. Was terrible.

TV Ratings Broadcast Top 25: ‘Two And A Half Men’ Falls Just Short of ‘Sunday Night Football’ with Adults 18-49, But Tops Everything in Viewing - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/04/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-two-and-a-half-men-falls-just-short-of-sunday-night-football-with-adults-18-49-but-tops-everything-in-viewing/105836/)

Comedies still dominating, taking 7 of the top 9 (2 of those being new shows) spots last week. New Girl has already been picked up for the whole season. I'm betting 2 Broke Girls will be soon to follow.

Dramas did do a little bit better than last week and that (along with continued excellent performance of Two and a Half Men) helped CBS to a week 2 victory over FOX.

The only NBC scripted show to make the top 25 is The Office at 20th.

You know..

Even though X-Factor isn't getting the ratings people thought. Even though they're not nearly what Idols are...

Those are still good ratings.

I refuse to believe that many people watch either version of 2.5 Men.

Updated TV Ratings Monday: ‘Terra Nova’ Holds Up; ‘House’ OK Without Cuddy; ‘Two and a Half Men’ Drops, But CBS Easily Wins; ‘Playboy Club’ Down Again - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/04/tv-ratings-monday-terra-nova-holds-up-house-ok-without-cuddy-two-and-a-half-men-drops-but-cbs-easily-wins-playboy-club-down-again/105895/comment-page-4/#comments)

Two and a Half Men starting to fall back to Sheen level numbers. It was down 18% from last week. CBS still dominates the night, winning every single half hour.

FOX must be happy with Terra Nova staying even with a 3.0. As I mentioned last week, if it can maintain that number, it will be more than enough for a renewal.

NBC's combo of The Sing-Off and Playboy Club loses to Univision again.

CW rookie show Hart of Dixie surprisingly stayed even from last week, building on its lead-in Gossip Girl.

Maybe it's due to where I am in life, but I can look past the obvious flaws and still find Up All Night to be a very enjoyable show.

You see, my wife and I decided to try Up All Night since we have a 21 month old and felt we could relate to the show, but after two episodes we gave up. The show is just painfully...awkward.

You see, my wife and I decided to try Up All Night since we have a 21 month old and felt we could relate to the show, but after two episodes we gave up. The show is just painfully...awkward.

Agreed. While I can relate to the situations they present, they don't present them very well.

NBC picks up Whitney and Up All Night for the full season. I'm really surprised about Whitney. I figured they'd wait and see how badly it crashes and burns in its 3rd week, since the 2nd week drop was pretty steep.

The wife and I kinda like Whitney. While it is not earth shattering it is a decent 30 minute show.

You see, my wife and I decided to try Up All Night since we have a 21 month old and felt we could relate to the show, but after two episodes we gave up. The show is just painfully...awkward.

Agreed. While I can relate to the situations they present, they don't present them very well.

We are in the same boat. We think it has its moments, but the problem is they go to over the top with the scenerios they present. We'll keep watching but it will be the first to go when we fall behind on shows

I think the systematic problem is that more discerning viewers have moved toward a 10-13 shows/season model. Whereas these shows are all 22-24 episodes and are therefore less concentrated. Something like Terra Nova will undoubtedly have 5 or more bottle episodes this season and viewing may become more sporadic.

I think the systematic problem is that more discerning viewers have moved toward a 10-13 shows/season model. Whereas these shows are all 22-24 episodes and are therefore less concentrated. Something like Terra Nova will undoubtedly have 5 or more bottle episodes this season and viewing may become more sporadic.

Although I have enjoyed many a 10-13 season show, I hate having to wait 10 months for the new shows.

Already shitcanned Whitney, 1 1/2 episodes were not very funny and I don't see it getting any better.

Add me to this list.

NBC’s biggest primetime gamble just got canceled: The Playboy Club has been pulled from the network’s schedule.

Surprised it took that long. Hank Azaria has got to be nervous now.

NBC’s biggest primetime gamble just got canceled: The Playboy Club has been pulled from the network’s schedule.

How shocking! :eek: ...or not.

'The Playboy Club' TV season's first cancellation *| accessAtlanta (http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/the-playboy-club-tv-1194264.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm)

TV Ratings Tuesday: ‘New Girl’ Tops Night; ‘NCIS’ Tops ‘Glee’; ‘Ringer’ Crashes; Body of Proof Rises - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/05/tv-ratings-tuesday-new-girl-tops-night-ncis-tops-glee-ringer-crashes/106120/)

Not much new this week. New Girl is the top show for the night and FOX wins again. It also dominates in the more specific demo of Females 18-34, drawing more viewers than ABC, CBS, and NBc combined in that demo.

I was wrong in my prediction for Parenthood as it fell to third instead of moving into 1st, due to a surprisingly low drop for Unforgettable and an even more surprising 17% increase for Body of Proof.

Ringer had a disastrous 33% drop down to a 0.6 and that number is too low even for the CW, especially considering other new CW shows like Hart of Dixie are performing better.

Hooray for "New Girl". I do love that show.

Every episode I watch of New Girl I start thinking half way through I am going to scratch it off my list and then in the last 5 minutes they somehow wrap things up in way that I actually like the episode. Very weird. I will say there are definitely some awkward moments in every episode where I mutter "really" out loud.

2 Broke Girls renewed.

I really want to like the show (I like attractive women), but I can't remember laughing at any episode of this show. I laughed more at Whitney than I did this show.

New Girl was again pretty good, but it was kind of odd to follow almost the exact same formula at the end there as a previous episode... Wearing the silly hats vs dancing the modified chicken dance. One of the guys revealing a "girly" thing to her in private (Schmidt with watching Curly Sue vs black guy saying he likes bubbles).

I know shows have formulas and stuff, but I wonder if that was intentional and this next episode will cover another similar situation? Schmidt was OK this past episode, but the normal guy was kind of sad and not funny.

When Zooey came out in that dress before leaving for the wedding I almost fell out of my chair.

do want

When Zooey came out in that dress before leaving for the wedding I almost fell out of my chair.

do want

You would've broken your penis.

2 Broke Girls renewed.

I really want to like the show (I like attractive women), but I can't remember laughing at any episode of this show. I laughed more at Whitney than I did this show.

I agree 100%. Kat Dennings' role (the impoverished, defeated girl) just seems too forced and all of the peripheral characters are just lame. They need to add some other interesting characters, at some point soon.

I actually thought the first episode of Whitney was pretty funny (and relatively original) and the second was decent. I like Whitney and her boyfriend pretty well as characters. They just need to tinker with their friends a bit.

We are in the same boat. We think it has its moments, but the problem is they go to over the top with the scenerios they present. We'll keep watching but it will be the first to go when we fall behind on shows

I think the main problem with the show lies entirely with the character played by Maya Rudolph. Just a bad character, drags the show down a couple notches for sure.

I think the main problem with the show lies entirely with the character played by Maya Rudolph. Just a bad character, drags the show down a couple notches for sure.

Agreed. She just isn't a good actress, it's like she is playing one of her SNL characters.

TV Ratings Wednesday: ‘Modern Family’ Tops Night, But ‘The X Factor’ Paces Fox Win; ‘Revenge’ Slips; Survivor Sees Lows - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/06/tv-ratings-wednesday-modern-family-tops-night-but-the-x-factor-paces-fox-win-revenge-slips-survivor-sees-lows/106293/)

FOX wins again thanks to X-Factor, which has steadied into a pretty dependable performer.

Modern Family dominates the night with a 5.6 rating, but ABC only finishes third because the rest of their lineup can't hold up. Suburgatory did decently in week 2 (9% drop but still improving on lead-in), and if I were ABC I would swap it with Happy Endings, which barely held half of Modern Family's audience,

I was hoping to see a major network show fall below 1.0, but Free Agents remained steady from last week. It's still destined to be cancelled very soon.

By the way, I just saw Homeland (Showtime) and it is the best pilot for a show I've seen in a long time. It's a very serious post-9/11 take on a Manchurian Candidate-type story, about a CIA agent who thinks a recently rescued POW has been turned. Claire Danes is amazing in the lead role.

Free Agents is done.

NBC lets go of 'Free Agents' (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/10/nbc-lets-go-of-free-agents/1)

Disappointing, I actually was starting to enjoy the show. Not entirely surprised, though. Still hate that Whitney is still around almost solely on its timeslot. I don't know anyone who enjoys it all that much.

Free Agents is done.

NBC lets go of 'Free Agents' (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/10/nbc-lets-go-of-free-agents/1)

Disappointing, I actually was starting to enjoy the show. Not entirely surprised, though. Still hate that Whitney is still around almost solely on its timeslot. I don't know anyone who enjoys it all that much.

Thank god, one less show to try and watch.

Thank god, one less show to try and watch.

Even though I liked it, I do agree with that, haha.

Free Agents is done.

NBC lets go of 'Free Agents' (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/10/nbc-lets-go-of-free-agents/1)

Disappointing, I actually was starting to enjoy the show. Not entirely surprised, though. Still hate that Whitney is still around almost solely on its timeslot. I don't know anyone who enjoys it all that much.


My wife enjoys it, but I have yet to watch it. I think I'll let it remain one of the shows she watches while I'm at work...

I will agree that Homeland had a very good Pilot. Clare sure has come a long way from My So Called Life. I really like actor playing the POW, loved him in Band of Brothers.

Free Agents is done.

NBC lets go of 'Free Agents' (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/10/nbc-lets-go-of-free-agents/1)

Disappointing, I actually was starting to enjoy the show. Not entirely surprised, though. Still hate that Whitney is still around almost solely on its timeslot. I don't know anyone who enjoys it all that much.

I'm a little sad. I like Hank Azaria's comedy style. He has a bit of sarcasm and subtlety that I enjoy, but you have to pay attention or you might miss the joke. It wasn't a great show, but I enjoyed it.

Free Agents is done.

NBC lets go of 'Free Agents' (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/10/nbc-lets-go-of-free-agents/1)

Disappointing, I actually was starting to enjoy the show. Not entirely surprised, though. Still hate that Whitney is still around almost solely on its timeslot. I don't know anyone who enjoys it all that much.

Yeah, didn't like Whitney at all. It was too awkward for me. Free Agents was decent, but I'm not surprised that it's gone.

So, um, did anyone else watch the American Horror Story premiere last night? Very weird but I liked it.

So far Suburgatory is my favorite of the new sitcoms. I was not expecting that.

So far Suburgatory is my favorite of the new sitcoms. I was not expecting that.

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TV Ratings Thursday: ‘X Factor’ Steady, Most Shows Down, ‘Charlie’s Angels,’ ‘How to Be a Gentleman’ Close in On Cancellation - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/07/tv-ratings-thursday-x-factor-steady-most-shows-down-charlies-angels-how-to-be-a-gentleman-close-in-on-cancellation/106472/)

Everything way down on Tursday due to baseball. Big Bang Theory is top individual show, but X Factor's consistency wins the night for FOX. As you can see below it wasn't even close.


Fox 3.8
CBS 2.9
ABC 2.1
NBC 2.0
Univision 1.6
CW 1.0

ABC's Charlie's Angels ties CW's Vampire Diaries with a 1.2 rating. That's pathetic.

ABC's way of fixing that: "Charlie's Vampires! Brilliant!"

Wow, NBC keeps hitting new lows. Not only did they lose to Univision again, but last night they lost to USA (NCIS rerun and WWE Raw) in every single major category: 18-49, 18-34, 25-54, Total Viewers, and Households.

So, um, did anyone else watch the American Horror Story premiere last night? Very weird but I liked it.

Watched it- liked it.

So... no New Girl until Nov 1st? What the hell.

Baseball on Fox

Baseball on Fox

Gotcha, thanks.

What the fuck is this "Harvest" bullshit on the History channel. I gather they are running out of manly occupations to televise?

Been watching Unforgettable off of the TiVo. Was tempted to forsake god when the reveal of the plot was that our hyper memory chick has a mom that....wait for it.....has Alzheimer's. Anyways, it's a pretty average procedural, but I'm a fan of Poppy Montgomery so I'll probably keep checking it out.

I agree Poppy is okay in my book.

What the fuck is this "Harvest" bullshit on the History channel. I gather they are running out of manly occupations to televise?

That looks pretty horrible- how do these shows ever get someone to think its a good idea?

Sorry Charlie.

‘Charlie’s Angels’ Canceled By ABC, Production Stopped, Reports Are That Episodes Produced Will Air - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/14/charlies-angels-canceled-by-abc-production-stopped-episodes-produced-will-air/107340/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29)

Just a reminder that Once Upon a Time starts tonight on ABC at eight Eastern. Looks like a potentially interesting show-crossover from "fairy tale world" to our world.

That looks pretty horrible- how do these shows ever get someone to think its a good idea?

Eh, a 0.5 rating put the premiere solidly in the middle of the Thursday night pack. Lower than the network average for the night in both total viewers & A18-49, but it beat everything on Food Network (just for example), beat quite a few "name" shows including Colbert, Daily Show, House Hunters, Millionaire Matchmake, and Conan. And was just 0.1 worse thanThursday Night Football on ESPN with A18-49, (which one you think has a better ROI?)

It's not great, but in terms of delivery it wasn't really all that bad.

Maybe I should invite the History Channel to follow me around......

Maybe I should invite the History Channel to follow me around......

Or at least invite Mike Rowe for a visit ;)

Just a reminder that Once Upon a Time starts tonight on ABC at eight Eastern. Looks like a potentially interesting show-crossover from "fairy tale world" to our world.

It's on my wife's list for this season so I'll check it out, too

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Chart: 'American Idol,' NFL Duke it out for Priciest TV Spot | MediaWorks - Advertising Age (http://adage.com/article/mediaworks/chart-american-idol-nfl-duke-priciest-tv-spot/230547/#sun)

Here's a pretty interesting rundown of estimated ad rates that primetime shows are charging, which bears out the importance of the 18-49 demo over total viewers. For instance, The Office charges much more than CSI or Criminal Minds despite having about half the total viewers.

The one that really stood out to me was Glee, which charges the most for any scripted show (only American Idol, X-Factor, and Sunday Night Football charge more). Yes, it even charges more than Two and a Half Men or Modern Family. Now it's 18-49 numbers are good, but not even close to those shows so they must be getting a premium on some really great numbers in more specific demos (Women 18-34 perhaps).

I always thought it was all about how much you own a particular demo. Sure, if you're Coke- you just want to advertise to everyone (tho you would pick /which/ Coke ad differently, depending on the audience). But, if you're Viagra, the number of guys under 35 you're advertising to is pretty much useless. You're just paying extra money for no effect.

Also, there are demographics to take into account. For the longest time, West Wing brought in big numbers with viewers having >$100K income so they had higher ad rates than a show with similar numbers of middle and low income viewers

SI

It's on my wife's list for this season so I'll check it out, too

SI

Doh...forgot to check this out (Grimm). Did I miss anything?