So... has anyone tried it? I went to get one today and the manager said they sold 263 yesterday and close to 50 today (at 1:45pm Central Time).

Based on 540 calories for the original version, I estimated it to be smaller than a deck of cards. I have one in my hot little hands... pics forthcoming.

hmmm

KFC's new Double Down sandwich, which hits stores nationwide today, has been buzzed about since its ingredients were revealed. The Double Down is essentially a sandwich with two chicken fillets taking the place of bread slices. In between are two pieces of bacon, melted slices of Monterey Jack and Pepper Jack cheese and a zesty sauce. The sandwich will pack 540 calories, 32 grams of fat and 1,380 milligrams of sodium, according to KFC.

color me...grossed out.

fyi


We gathered the young, healthy hearts of The Arizona Republic features section to brave the shameless glob of saturated fat known as the Double Down. Here's what those who survived had to say.
Jaimee Rose, reporter - My tongue hurts. Salt burn. This sandwich (http://operationsports.com/fofc/#) is 10 years too late to be worshipped in its proper Atkins diet glory. But mostly, sick. And wrong. But good if you scrape off all the cheese (http://operationsports.com/fofc/#) and bacon.
Joe Golfen, information specialist/reporter - I seriously think my heart stopped for a second after I ate that. The Double Down is actually an evolutionary step backward . . . the whole point of a sandwich is to avoid having to directly handle all the contents of said sandwich. Otherwise it tasted like any other KFC chicken-like food product.
Scott Craven, features editor - My guess is that what KFC saves on buns with the Double Down it will spend on napkins (http://operationsports.com/fofc/#), because this is one messy sandwich. And in the highly anticipated poultry-pig ratio, it is disappointingly dominated by poultry. The fried chicken overwhelmed the bacon (the cheese comes in as an afterthought) . . . I would have gone bacon-chicken-bacon.
Wendy Killeen, information specialist - Double-down the hatch and fast, chased by a drink to help wash down all that salt. Double thumbs down.
Karen Fernau, reporter - Loaded with salt. Should come with a warning to anyone with high blood pressure: eat at your own risk. The cheese was rubbery and the dressing completely unnecessary. High yuck factor.
Nicole Ethier, intern - I think I'll stick with normal sandwiches (http://operationsports.com/fofc/#). The Double Down wasn't horrible, but I can't imagine eating a whole one. (Unless you like your sandwiches to fall apart on you and leave your hands greasy.) If there is anything I learned from my internship today, it is that deep-fried chicken breasts should be no substitute for bread on a sandwich.
Brian Hernandez, Metromix online producer - Eaten individually, fried chicken, bacon and cheese are my go-to comfort foods, so I had high expectations for the Double Down. I have only one complaint about KFC's tasty, tender sandwich that I'll order again in the future: I wish it was wrapped in paper or foil instead of coming in a box.
Royce Martin, online manager - I appreciate its gusto, the devil-may-care attitude. Indeed, who needs a bun? But, as most things of excess, it has flaws. The salt is subtle as a tongue punch. The sauce should remain a mystery. And (I cannot believe that I am typing this) the bacon may have been a bit much. There is a feeling you get, dear reader, after a hard sprint. Your heart pumps, your endorphins pop and the legs burn. You are alive. The Double Down leaves you with feeling like that, just completely opposite.

And Taco Bell is introducing its version, the Double Over, next week!

And Taco Bell is introducing its version, the Double Over, next week!

Chan Ho already tested it and got the diarrhea from it.

Works better in between biscuits.

KFC’s Double Down is Perfect on Biscuits (Yes, We Go There) | Midtown Lunch - Finding Lunch in the Food Wasteland of NYC's Midtown Manhattan (http://midtownlunch.com/2010/04/12/kfcs-double-down-is-perfect-on-biscuits-yes-we-go-there/)

Ha! They offer it with the grilled chicken, too!

It was pretty good. I loved the cheese, sauce and bacon, but the original "bun" on top of everything else made it too salty for me. I drank 24 oz. of water and still feel the salt on my tongue and lips.

Probably not something I'll have again, but, now I can say I did it!

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Lengthwise, exactly a deck of cards

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dola,

trying to figure out if I should have the "healthier" grilled version. Hmmm...

grilled version has even more sodium!

No way, seriously? damn! I still wanna try it, but not until next week.

No way, seriously? damn! I still wanna try it, but not until next week.

1430mg vs. 1380mg

Eat to live, don't live to eat. ;)

Put it on a bun and its just fine. Of course its going to kill you, isn't that the point of fast food (e.g. the Health Care thread)?

It is just messy though, triggers my OCD hand cleaning tendencies, which is annoying. Maybe if you get it to go and slap two slices of bread around it, would be fine. Salty... and greasy, etc... maybe too salty... but its not terrible if you can get around the greasefingers problem.

maybe if you got it to go and cut it in half and split with someone on a couple slices of bread so it was half the calories and half the salt and everything...

The chicken breasts are pretty good. I probably won't order it again, as it's too messy to eat. I ditched the Colonel's sauce too...that stuff is farts.

Just got back from KFC. Ordered one of the original recipe Double Downs and one of the grilled Double Downs. Taste: the original recipe wins by a wide margin. The saltiness comes from the sauce it appears. The bacon was nice and smokey and the breasts, nice and tender and juicy. I think the weakest part of either sandwich is the sauce.

The taste of the grilled chicken just didn't match too well with the other flavors of the bacon, cheese and sauce.

A pain in the ass to eat. Someone from Carl's Jr (Hardee's for some) must have designed the sandwich, which would explain its messiness and pain in the assiness to eat.

Two sandwiches were way too much for me to eat and I couldn't even come close to finishing the second sandwich, so I feel kind of bad for wasting food like that, but, there's just no way I could have finished it, besides, it was the grilled version and there was really no incentive to finish it anyway.

Would I get the original recipe again? Yes, but, only just every once in a while as I think just getting a regular 'ol leg or breast tastes better.

The commentary from people is hilarious. The grilled version is actually one of the healthiest things on their menu. Yeah it's high in sodium, but so is all fast food. It's better for you than the bread that is filled with sugar.

The amount of sodium being quoted is ridiculous. In fact, it's probably worse than the fat, since the point of the sodium is basically to mask that it's lousy meat, and also to preserve said lousy meat.

The amount of sodium being quoted is ridiculous. In fact, it's probably worse than the fat, since the point of the sodium is basically to mask that it's lousy meat, and also to preserve said lousy meat.

+1, I like my blood pressure at normal levels

maybe if you got it to go and cut it in half and split with someone on a couple slices of bread so it was half the calories and half the salt and everything...

Each slice of bread has about 100 calories so you really aren't saving much on empty calories.

There is so much wrong with this sandwich...

Each slice of bread has about 100 calories so you really aren't saving much on empty calories.

There is son much wrong with this sandwich...

good point. but the bread is a bit healthier (fiber, etc) than the fried chicken

Hmmm....

1300+mg salt...check
fatty cheese....check
high calories.....check
bacon.............check
mystery sauce..check

Being post quad bypass+ raging diabetic I am truly thinking this could kill me...but thinking this might just be worth it if it didnt have so much salt content.....but then again, salt can be a useful staple of a diet...decisions , decisions.....

I wonder what a self induced coma feels like......because that is what I face with this monstrosity....

If anything it was too "healthy" for me. Get this white meat shit away from me. I can get a 4 pc dark individual meal for cheaper.

Didn't I see that it was only 450 calories somewhere? That's not very high at all for a sandwich. Particularly one of this nature.

Didn't I see that it was only 450 calories somewhere? That's not very high at all for a sandwich. Particularly one of this nature.

I think thats the calorie count for the grilled chicken one.

And remember bread often has a lot of calories.

Didn't I see that it was only 450 calories somewhere? That's not very high at all for a sandwich. Particularly one of this nature.

Its 540.

And cardiologists will tell you that its terrible because most of the calories are from fat.

Adkins adherents will tell you the cardiologists are nuts, this is the perfect sandwich because none of the calories are from carbs.

Use your judgement. Mine was to stop at 1 :)

I'm having a hard time getting worked up over this.

Hell, cut that shit up and toss it on some lettuce and you've got an Applebee's salad.

Nice marketing for KFC I'd say.

Fair point. I'm amazed at what passes for a salad these days.

That being said, Chilis' Quesadilla Explosion salad is amazing. I just know I'm not eating a salad when I eat it.

So.....

After a horrible afternoon at the doc's office followed by an even more horrible time trying to get a scrip filled, I decided to stop at KFC and make a late lunch of the Double Down.

I felt some silly irony ordering it with a diet Pepsi. :)

All in all, it was OK, but nothing I'd get again. Though I can see how some would like the sauce, the flavor of it wasn't for me. Also, I'm not a huge fan of bacon, and the bacon was chewy.

But. I tried it...and survived. Next on the list is the Krispy Kreme burger, which will be Friday night. Throwing a KK burger party, actually...

/tk

Cordon Blue meats Fast Food...

had this for lunch today. it was so greasy that it hit my empty stomach like a ton of bricks.

that said, i will probably go back next week for another one.

Cordon Blue meats Fast Food...

Arby's had that on SportsDigs years ago.

The funny thing is they took the unhealthiest part of the sandwich (the bread) and added the healthiest part to it (more chicken). And people are making it seem like they made this thing worse.

The grilled version is one of the healthiest thing on their menu guys. This is healthier than any sandwich you can buy at any fast food place (including Subway).

The funny thing is they took the unhealthiest part of the sandwich (the bread) and added the healthiest part to it (more chicken). And people are making it seem like they made this thing worse.

The grilled version is one of the healthiest thing on their menu guys. This is healthier than any sandwich you can buy at any fast food place (including Subway).


Ah, sodium....

Yeah that sodium total is ludicrous. Pretty sure you aren't getting anywhere near that sodium on a ham and cheese from Subway.

Yeah that sodium total is ludicrous. Pretty sure you aren't getting anywhere near that sodium on a ham and cheese from Subway.

Was surprised a few subway sandwiches came close, but there are definitely some better options.

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Ah, sodium....
Will take that over sugar anyday.

Will take that over sugar anyday.

Guess you pick your poison there, but sugar you can burn. I have been fortunate to avoid my families curse of hypertension over 40, but if I didn't watch sodium that will not last, no matter how much I exercise.

The grilled version is one of the healthiest thing on their menu guys. This is healthier than any sandwich you can buy at any fast food place (including Subway).

well that's one way to put lipstick on a pig

Will take that over sugar anyday.

Me too. At least if you have normal blood pressure.

Shaking Up Conventional Thinking About Sodium and Hypertension | ThirdAge Articles (http://www.thirdage.com/hypertension/shaking-up-conventional-thinking-about-sodium-and-hypertension)

The advice that people with high blood pressure reduce their sodium intake has never really been in dispute. But somewhere along the way, the distinctions between prevention and treatment grew blurry. In what is now considered the origin of the "sodium hypothesis," Dr. Lewis K. Dahl theorized that there was a direct correlation between the sodium intake of a population and the subsequent development of hypertension. As the result of well-placed advocacy efforts, physicians suddenly began prescribing low-salt diets for all their patients, not just those with documented high blood pressure.

Over time, the sodium hypothesis grew to mammoth proportions and was accepted as fact. In the 1970s and 1980s, however, skepticism began to inch forward with the realization that the assumptions about sodium and hypertension were not supported by scientific evidence.

I'm not saying you should add salt willy-nilly to foods - certainly not if you already have hypertension - but I don't think 1500mg on occasion will kill you.

Personally, I'd worry about these just as much if not more:

What Causes High Blood Pressure?

The exact causes of high blood pressure are not known. Several factors and conditions may play a role in its development, including:

* Smoking
* Being overweight or obese
* Lack of physical activity
* Too much salt in the diet
* Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
* Stress
* Older age
* Genetics
* Family history of high blood pressure
* Chronic kidney disease
* Adrenal and thyroid disorders


Causes of High Blood Pressure (http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/blood-pressure-causes)

I'd guess that many salty foods also tend to be fatty, which doesn't help with the second bullet point there.

you can just get the grilled chicken breast in a wrapper.

Me too. At least if you have normal blood pressure.

Shaking Up Conventional Thinking About Sodium and Hypertension | ThirdAge Articles (http://www.thirdage.com/hypertension/shaking-up-conventional-thinking-about-sodium-and-hypertension)

I'm not saying you should add salt willy-nilly to foods - certainly not if you already have hypertension - but I don't think 1500mg on occasion will kill you.

Personally, I'd worry about these just as much if not more:

Causes of High Blood Pressure (http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/blood-pressure-causes)

I'd guess that many salty foods also tend to be fatty, which doesn't help with the second bullet point there.
Sugar will make you fat as it's typically high calorie for small amounts. Sodium can be found in just about everything and an item being high in it doesn't mean it's high in fat. It's more a sign that the food was processed and/or frozen. Sodium can also be offset with increased water intake and adding potassium to your diet.

Sugar will make you fat. I can list all the negatives of obesity but I'm sure we all know. Like I said, I will take my chances with sodium than with excess sugar.

The perfect solution to the messiness would have been to wrap the whole thing up in a tortilla so you could eat it like a burrito.

The perfect solution to the messiness would have been to wrap the whole thing up in a tortilla so you could eat it like a burrito.

Well, if it's a combination KFC and Taco Bell you could order the chicken bacon ranch tortada...


Side note: I'm still very pleased that McD's is offering the Mac Wrap. I'd asked for "double cheesburgers made as wraps" well before these were available. I guess I wasn't the only one.

The perfect solution to the messiness would have been to wrap the whole thing up in a tortilla so you could eat it like a burrito.

haha, reminded me of this skit

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Finally tried one yesterday. Basic reaction: underwhelmed. The chicken part was fine. I even liked the cheese, but the bacon was more like a tease than anything else.

Overall, not bad, but also not particularly memorable. Seems like a missed opportunity more than anything else.

Pics from tonight's Krispy Kreme festivities: Krispy Kreme Burger - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin/sets/72157623872547424/)

/tk

awesome tk!

You brave! So how was it?

I very much enjoyed the Krispy Kreme burger. I didn't know what to expect, but it definitely hit the savory and sweet profiles. I used 80/20 ground beef patties (grilled), thick-cut bacon baked in the oven, and sliced cheddar.

I'll do it again...but not for at least 6 months. ;)

/tk

I was in KFC yesterday -- that Double Down was $4.99! And $7.49 for a value meal! That is the most insane thing about it, IMO.

this double down was a challenge i wish i didn't accept. i feel like i've had a personal "oil change" conducted on my intestines.

Damn, it's no wonder North Americans are so friggin fat.

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FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Double Down by the Numbers: Unhealthiest Sandwich Ever? (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/double-down-by-numbers-unhealthiest.html)

KFC's Double Down Sandwich, an in-your-face collection of bacon, cheese and something called Colonel's Sauce betwixt two fried chicken "buns", is making waves for its unapologetic gluttony, compelling reviews out of everyone from the New York Times's Sam Sifton to the Onion's Nathan Rabin. But is it really the caloric monstrosity that it appears?

To get this out of the way: I haven't eaten a Double Down. I probably will. And I'll probably like it. But there are so many much tastier ways to clog your arteries here in New York that it's not high on the priority list.

So instead, let's start with the Double Down's calorie count: 540 calories for the crispy "Original Recipe" version and 460 for a grilled variant. Those seem like big numbers, but by fast food standards, they're pretty mild: the Burger King Chicken Tendercrisp weighs in at 800 calories, for instance, and Jack-in-the-Box's Ranch Chicken Club will set you back 700. Calorie counts for burgers are even higher: 1,320 for a Hardee's Monster Thickburger, and 1,350 for a Wendy's Triple Baconator. Even the humble Big Mac, a lightweight by modern standards, contains 540 calories, exactly the same number as the Double Down.

But calorie counts are overrated. We all need to eat, to the tune of about 2,000 calories per day for a healthy adult. It's not the calories so much as what you do with them. Are you getting a lot of fat, cholesterol, and sodium (bad)? Or lots of fiber and vitamins instead?

Here, the Double Down's credentials are more impressive. Those 540 calories contain 145 milligrams of cholesterol (more than twice that of the Big Mac and about half of the USDA's daily allowance) -- along with 1,380 milligrams of sodium (the USDA recommends no more than 2,400 per day) and 32 grams of fat (65 will keep you slim, says the government). So, for getting only about one-quarter of the calories that you need in a day, you're exhausting about half your budget of "bad stuff".

We can, of course, be a bit more exacting about this. I've created an index based on the amount of fat, sodium and cholesterol that the Double Down and a variety of comparable sandwiches contain as a portion of the USDA daily allowance. (In the fat category, saturated fats are counted double and trans-fats are counted triple.) The index is scaled such that the Original Recipe version of the sandwich receives a score of 1.00, a measure of gluttony that will hereafter be known as The Double Down (DD).**

By this measure, the Double Down is indeed quite unhealthy, but some other sandwiches are just as bad. The Burger King Chicken Tendercrisp (1.00 DDs), which has less cholesterol but more fat and sodium, is comparably unhealthy to the Double Down on balance. The chicken ranch sandwiches from Sonic (0.94 DDs) and Jack-in-the-Box (0.98 DDs) are close. And surprisingly, some sandwiches from "fast casual" restaurants that have a reputation for healthy food do even worse. Panera's Chipotle Chicken checks in at 1.49 DD's -- it has almost 50 percent more bad stuff than the Double Down -- and Boston Market's Chicken Carver at 1.14. So do some products that stretch the definition of "sandwich". A chicken burrito from Chipotle with rice, black beans, cheese and corn salsa will cost you 1.16 Double Downs: load it up with sour cream, guacamole, and picante salsa as well and you're up to 1.69. A pack of five McDonald's Chicken Selects with a side of ranch sauce is worth 1.23 Double Downs.



But it's the burgers that dominate this category, with Wendy's Triple Baconator (2.45 DDs) and Hardee's Moster Thickburger (2.24 DDs) in a league of their own and more than twice as bad-for-you as the Double Down. Even an ordinary Whopper with Cheese (1.10 DDs) is slightly worse than the Double Down.

All of those products, however, contain more -- often substantially more -- calories than does the Double Down. They have lots (and lots and lots) of bad stuff, but some good stuff like protein, iron and fiber as well. Their calories aren't quite so empty, and they damned well ought to leave you full.

So suppose instead that we re-calibrate our metric by dividing by the number of calories that each sandwich contains. This alternate measure, which we'll call Double Downs per Calorie (DDPC), gets at the idea of how bad each product is for you on a bite-by-bite basis.



And here, things don't look very good at all for the Double Down, since for all that crap you're taking in, you're only getting about one-quarter of the calories that you need. On this basis, not only is the Double Down worse for you than any of the chicken products (Chick-Fil-A's Chargrilled Chicken Club, at 0.91 DDPCs, is the next-worst), but also all of the burgers as well -- even the Triple Baconator (0.98 DDPCs) and the infamous Thickburger (0.92 DDPCs). In fact, the only thing that beats than the Original Recipe Double Down is the supposedly healthier grilled Double Down (1.19 DDPCs), which is almost 20 percent worse for you than the signature version on a per-calorie basis.

Things would look even worse for the Double Down if we also punished it for its lack of fiber (the original recipe version has just 1 gram and the grilled version has none) and other nutrients. But fast food restaurants are inconsistent about publishing this information, so it's getting a break.

So, is the Double Down the most gluttonous fast food sandwich ever created? It depends on how you measure it. At the margins, consuming one Double Down almost certainly isn't as bad for you as a Triple Baconator, a Thickburger, or even a fully-loaded Chipotle burrito. But while those products should, in theory, fill you up for at least half the day, the Double Down might leave you hankering for seconds. It's a high bar to clear, but it's the closest thing to pure junk food of any "sandwich" being marketed today.



** To calculate Double Downs for your own favorite sandwich, apply the following formula: divide the number of mg of cholesterol by 469, the number of mg of sodium by 3,754, the number of grams of total fat by 133, the number of grams of saturated fat also by 133, and the number of grams of trans-fat by 66. Then sum the result.

To calculate Double Downs per Calorie (DDPC), take the above result, divide by the number of calories, and multiply by 540.

dola:

The graphs are in the original link for those interested.

I think I'm gonna go get one of these right now.

If it's too unhealthy for you guys, try the vegan version:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2046/4523579667_6bde7e6ae5.jpg

and the recipe can be found here:

Vegan KFC Double Down!! « Ate-bit Vegan (http://atebitvegan.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/vegan-kfc-double-down/)

Funnily enough, the faux meat products also typically have a ton of sodium. Probably not saving much, health-wise.

Though I have all the materials at home to make it, if I were really interested (I'm not). I'll use my faux meat products in other ways (dun dun dun).

/tk

Posting because it references the Double Down and salt recommendations...and because of Sharyn Alfonsi's neckline.

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Funnily enough, the faux meat products also typically have a ton of sodium. Probably not saving much, health-wise.

Though I have all the materials at home to make it, if I were really interested (I'm not). I'll use my faux meat products in other ways (dun dun dun).

/tk

:eek: :lol:

If it's too unhealthy for you guys, try the vegan version:

and the recipe can be found here:

Vegan KFC Double Down!! « Ate-bit Vegan (http://atebitvegan.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/vegan-kfc-double-down/)

As if the original weren't enough of a crime against God and nature...

You want meat, eat meat. Don't try to make some creepy Franken-sandwich out of "chicken substitute"

SI

As if the original weren't enough of a crime against God and nature...

You want meat, eat meat. Don't try to make some creepy Franken-sandwich out of "chicken substitute"

SI

I disagree.

While I am not sure about the recipe above, ever since Lady H_B went vegan almost 2 years ago, I have had quite a few "meat substitutes" and have found many, though not all, to be really quite good. Getting the consistency right is really the key, but, overall, I've been really happy with a lot of the ones I've tried and, you know, the fact that no living being had to die in order for me to eat it is quite a bonus.

There are a few meats out there that I'd never consider trying any kind of subsitute, such as steak or bacon (I've had tempeh bacon and it's not even close. It's an insult to bacon to call it bacon). But for things like chicken and sausages it is really, really easy to find quality subsitutues.

We've had soyrizo and MorningStar's Soy Crumbles and they're a great substitute for meat. We like them so much we haven't gone back.

This isn't exactly a scientific study or anything, but it certainly seems more in line with what you'd expect, huh?

Kentucky Fried Bullshit | CityRag (http://cityrag.com/2010/04/kentucky-fried-bullshit-2/)

You know what comes on the side with the Double Down (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/), KFC’s disgusting new pile of crap? a hot bag of lies (http://gawker.com/5520984/kfcs-double-down-healthier-than-salad). And people are eating it up (http://consumerist.com/2010/04/10-fast-food-items-worse-for-you-than-the-kfc-double-down.html). There’s no way it’s 540 calories and 32 grams of fat! By our calculations it’s at least 1190 calories and 86 grams of fat. Check out the real math below. (http://cityrag.com/2010/04/kentucky-fried-bullshit-2/#more-10177)

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2 fried chicken breasts at 360 calories, 21 grams of fat (http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-kfc-chicken-breast-i53684) each, comes to – 720 calories and 42 grams…

2 x 1 oz slice of “Monterey Jack and pepper jack cheese” at 100 calories, 9 grams of fat (http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-boars-head-monterey-jack-cheese-i92501) each, comes to 200 calories and 18 grams fat…

1 squirt of sauce 100 calories and 10 grams of fat (even by KFC’s calculations (http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_nutrition.pdf)) and the Double Down is hit twice as you can see in the picture (http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/cleanplatecharlie/2010/04/kfc_double_down_review.php), comes to 200 calories and 20 grams fat…

2 strips bacon, equals 70 calories and 6 grams of fat…

For a grand total of 1190 calories and 86 grams of fat!

According to KFC a single filet sandwich with sauce is 480 calories and 24 grams of fat (http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_nutrition.pdf). Even their own math isn’t working.

Calorie and fat information via CalorieCount (http://caloriecount.about.com/).

And while the anal rententive crowd worries about parsing the calorie count , most people who are interested in buying it could barely care less, we just want to know if it tastes good or not.

WTF is actually buying this thinking "gosh, could it possibly have more calories than is recommended"? Duh. That's the fucking point morons, to eat it, enjoy it, and not still be hungry after you finish your meal which is too often the case with today's microportions.

Microportions? Really? The wife and I have taken to splitting meals at most restaurants these days, and the secondary issue is cost. Mostly, it's just too much food.

The fact that you think we're being served microportions says more about the state of this country's food intake than railing against actually informing people of how much bad shit they are putting into their bodies.

Microportions? Really? The wife and I have taken to splitting meals at most restaurants these days, and the secondary issue is cost. Mostly, it's just too much food.

The fact that you think we're being served microportions says more about the state of this country's food intake than railing against actually informing people of how much bad shit they are putting into their bodies.

Seriously. Microportions? Portion sizes are bigger now than ever. It's getting to ridiculous portions. Your standard burrito at Chipolte weighs in at about 1.5 lbs. It's ginormous.

Microportions? Really? The wife and I have taken to splitting meals at most restaurants these days

Might be time to turn in your man card then.

Ah yes, the whole "challenge your manhood when you point out the ridiculousness of my argument" gimmick. You got me!

Why pay for food I don't need or want to eat? Because only real men eat portion sizes designed to turn them into fat fucks?

Might be time to turn in your man card then.

Seriously. Nothing says "bein' a man" like being a gluttonous fat piece of ass.

DOUBLE DOWN FIGHT!!!!

Seriously. Nothing says "bein' a man" like being a gluttonous fat piece of ass.

beefcake... BEEFCAKE!!!!

DOUBLE DOWN FIGHT!!!!

Sorry to disappoint, but this woman doesn't fight. :D

Seriously. Microportions? Portion sizes are bigger now than ever. It's getting to ridiculous portions. Your standard burrito at Chipolte weighs in at about 1.5 lbs. It's ginormous.

Granted, I was talking more about in general than trying to say there weren't specific exceptions. While Chipolte isn't really handy for us, Barberito's is & does something similar so I'll concede that there are a few exceptions. Even so, Chipolte specifically has been noted as having cut back their portions (http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2009/01/28/chipotles-prices-rising-portions-shrinking/)

From fast food to sit-down, there's been a concentrated effort in the past 3-5 years to make significant cuts in size while making miniscule cuts in price. (TGI Friday's "Right Size, Right Price" is an easy example).

When I was a fat fuck unwilling or unable to stop myself from eating, I thought I was just being a fat fuck. I didn't realize I was also standing up for my gender.

Why pay for food I don't need or want to eat?

Lighten up just a tad there Francis, in case you haven't noticed, the man card is a long-standing rib here at the FOFC.

If you're happy with chick food & chick portions, knock yourself the fuck out. But you're going to get a certain amount of jokes about it, and rightfully so afaic.

beefcake... BEEFCAKE!!!!

This was, of course, the proper response :D

SI

Lighten up just a tad there Francis, in case you haven't noticed, the man card is a long-standing rib here at the FOFC.

If you're happy with chick food & chick portions, knock yourself the fuck out. But you're going to get a certain amount of jokes about it, and rightfully so afaic.

Again, this attitude goes a long way toward explaining why we are a bunch of fat fucks in this country. Emasculating someone, jokingly or not, for not gorging themselves and for watching what they eat, seems to be a large part of the problem.

You can joke about it all you want, but from a logic standpoint, I think I'll have the last laugh when I'm paying half of what you do to eat out AND keeping my weight in check at the same time. I fail to understand how, if I eat about 1800 calories a day, something less than your standard 1200 calorie restaurant meal would be considered "chick portions."

This was, of course, the proper response :D

SI

I concur.

America: where quantity is valued over quality.

I fail to understand how, if I eat about 1800 calories a day, something less than your standard 1200 calorie restaurant meal would be considered "chick portions."

And I fail to understand why anyone would want to live a life on 1800 calories a day. That's not living, that's existing afaic.

Oh, incidentally, at 6'0 170 I don't really think "fat fuck" applies to me. You could try "motherfucker" maybe or the more generic "asshole", but fat just kind of sounds silly.

But since you want to make a big deal out of a quick one-off, the growing animosity toward the self-righteous holier than thou food pussies is only going to get worse as you continue to rail against people actually, you know, daring to enjoy what they eat. If I'm paying for it then you can kiss my carb-loading meat-eating dual-fork wielding ass.

sigh

the growing animosity toward the self-righteous holier than thou food pussies is only going to get worse.

Huh.

First, I had no idea that there were a group of "self-righteous holier than thou food pussies". Second, I had no idea there was "growing animosity toward" such a group.

Interesting. I have learned something new today.

lmao

predictable - thy name is FOFC

And I fail to understand why anyone would want to live a life on 1800 calories a day. That's not living, that's existing afaic.

Oh, incidentally, at 6'0 170 I don't really think "fat fuck" applies to me. You could try "motherfucker" maybe or the more generic "asshole", but fat just kind of sounds silly.

But since you want to make a big deal out of a quick one-off, the growing animosity toward the self-righteous holier than thou food pussies is only going to get worse as you continue to rail against people actually, you know, daring to enjoy what they eat. If I'm paying for it then you can kiss my carb-loading meat-eating dual-fork wielding ass.

"Fat fuck" was a general comment - I didn't say YOU fat fuck.

Eat what you want. The point remains that portion sizes are ridiculous now, so calling them microportions is completely ignoring reality.

You don't have to eat more than you should to enjoy food. But since you equate overeating/indulging as enjoying a meal, then I guess you don't see the distinction.

First, I had no idea that there were a group of "self-righteous holier than thou food pussies".

Well, Dan Rather thinks he's a moderate too.

Second, I had no idea there was "growing animosity toward" such a group.

What exactly did you think the marketing behind some of the large portion products was playing off of?

sigh

It's called boredom. My time grows short on this planet, so I'm having a bit of well-placed fun before I head out of here.

You don't have to eat more than you should to enjoy food.

Should = I'm satisifed

But since you equate overeating/indulging as enjoying a meal, then I guess you don't see the distinction.

Enjoying = eating what satisfies me

Apparently you fail to make the distinction between that and "overeating".

If "overeating" is enjoyable to Jon (note that i put the quotes to denote that it's a contested term), then it's enjoyable to him. Big deal. It's his own personal decision. Just as it's the personal decisions of others (who may have different metabolisms or family histories of different diseases) to eat differently.

Nobody should be judging anybody else based on that - whether they eat "a lot" or "a little." That includes all of you on both sides.

If the market dictates it, then restauraunts will find a way to cater to both groups. "Pay by the oz dining" or something like that.

Should = I'm satisifed

Apparently you fail to make the distinction between that and "overeating".

No, I'm trying to ascribe some logical consistency to your comment about microportions and eating until you are satisfied.

If "overeating" is enjoyable to Jon (note that i put the quotes to denote that it's a contested term), then it's enjoyable to him. Big deal. It's his own personal decision. Just as it's the personal decisions of others (who may have different metabolisms or family histories of different diseases) to eat differently.

Nobody should be judging anybody else based on that - whether they eat "a lot" or "a little." That includes all of you on both sides.

If the market dictates it, then restauraunts will find a way to cater to both groups. "Pay by the oz dining" or something like that.

I don't care what he eats. The entire thing started with his misconception that what is served in restaurants today are "microportions."

I don't care what he eats. The entire thing started with his misconception that what is served in restaurants today are "microportions."

Well they're microportions in his eyes...relative to the amount he enjoys eating.

I suppose that the logical and factual counter to that would be to say/show evidence that portion sizes in restaurants today are larger than they have ever been. Thus they're not "shrinking" - although they may be "microportions" to him now, he would then have to concede that either (a) they have always been "microportions" or (b) he was being a hypocrite

Well, Dan Rather thinks he's a moderate too.

If I am a "food pussy", I'm a really bad one. I always eat my entire Chipolte burrito (with chips), I always eat that extra slice of pizza and that extra breadstick and always finish my entire massive plate full of chicken fried rice or pad thai at the local Thai place. I often eat until I am hurting.

Between those facts and that I'm about 6'4" and around 200 lbs, I believe I am considerably more manly than you, Light Weight. Sorry, dude. ;)


What exactly did you think the marketing behind some of the large portion products was playing off of?

I don't think it's out of any animosity, but rather it's just counter-marketing to what you described below:

Granted, I was talking more about in general than trying to say there weren't specific exceptions. While Chipolte isn't really handy for us, Barberito's is & does something similar so I'll concede that there are a few exceptions. Even so, Chipolte specifically has been noted as having cut back their portions (http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2009/01/28/chipotles-prices-rising-portions-shrinking/)

From fast food to sit-down, there's been a concentrated effort in the past 3-5 years to make significant cuts in size while making miniscule cuts in price. (TGI Friday's "Right Size, Right Price" is an easy example).

And while the anal rententive crowd worries about parsing the calorie count , most people who are interested in buying it could barely care less, we just want to know if it tastes good or not.

WTF is actually buying this thinking "gosh, could it possibly have more calories than is recommended"? Duh. That's the fucking point morons, to eat it, enjoy it, and not still be hungry after you finish your meal which is too often the case with today's microportions.

Microportions eh?

http://snippets.com/what-is-the-nutrition-information-for-claim-jumper-restaurant.htm

Just for the main entrée portion and doesn’t even include the sides. Claim Jumper’s Beef Back Ribs have 4,301 Calories, 7,623 mg of sodium, 156 grams of saturated fat, and 750 mgs of cholesterol.

I think Jon's suggesting that a man who feels pleasantly full after eating a 16oz steak, and declines to eat a 32oz steak primarily because he'll feel unpleasantly engorged after it, is somehow less of a man.

In so doing, Jon's reflecting a cultural view that's been pretty consistent through America's history (land of abundance, farmers/factory workers eat a lot) and has been powerfully reinforced by advertising since, say, the 1950s.

Given that so fewer of us these days are farmers or factory workers, it's also a cultural view/norm that's made a lot of us fat. Thus I think Ksyrup's point is that every time someone makes a joke about "chick portions", they simply reinforce this cultural norm which is, on balance, detrimental to the overall health of our population.

Of course, I'm sure we can all anticipate Jon's response, which would be along the lines of "fuck those idiots who can't stop themselves from eating too much", and certainly despite its delivery, this point has its merits.

The rest of that argument, of course, was recently covered in the Health Care thread about fast food and poor people, so I'm not going to rehash it here.


Regardless, it will perhaps surprise no one that I'd rather be the guy who orders a 16oz Niman Ranch steak at a local independent restaurant for twice the price of a 32oz, Grade Triple-Z semi-steak at the local outpost of a national chain. Some would point out that this merely proves (as if more proof were necessary, of course) that I'm a elitist liberal pinko commie, and that's fine, but I'm elitist liberal pinko commie who enjoys his food, yet is not fat.

Regardless, it will perhaps surprise no one that I'd rather be the guy who orders a 16oz Niman Ranch steak at a local independent restaurant for twice the price of a 32oz, Grade Triple-Z semi-steak at the local outpost of a national chain. Some would point out that this merely proves (as if more proof were necessary, of course) that I'm a elitist liberal pinko commie, and that's fine, but I'm elitist liberal pinko commie who enjoys his food, yet is not fat.

Talking about steak, I cooked the most awesome steak from a local butcher this weekend. They sell Vintage Natural beef http://www.vintagenaturalbeef.com/. Wow killer stuff and I tend to not get steak that often.

Costco also sells Prime steaks. They are teh awesome.

I've now decided - after going to Bohannan's in San Antonio, that I need to eat more good steaks. Not a ton mind you, but one every 3 or 6 months.

I've now decided - after going to Bohannan's in San Antonio, that I need to eat more good steaks. Not a ton mind you, but one every 3 or 6 months.

Completely there with you. A great steak is amazing.

I had the double down yesterday. It was delicious. I had quite low expectations after reading this thread, but I didn't taste overwhelming salt, I liked the sauce, and it wasn't messy at all. Just left it in the wrapper and ate it like a wrapped burger.

It's called boredom. My time grows short on this planet, so I'm having a bit of well-placed fun before I head out of here.

Yeah, a post snuck in there. I was sighing at the generalization about America(ns).

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Still not sure why there's so much hysteria over this sandwich. I mean I can go to almost any restaurant in the area and find several items on the menu that are WAY worse than this. Some of the BBQ places have an all you can eat Ribs night. Folks actually has a night where you can get all you can eat Fried Chicken and Country Fried Steak. I guarantee you I go way past the calorie/fat/sodium count of the Double Down sandwich on those nights.

Ok, you knew this had to be coming. The "Double Down Luther Burger". A KFC Double Down placed between a Krispy Kreme bun.

KFC Double Down Luther Burger | Top Cultured (http://topcultured.com/will-they-build-it-kfc-krispy-kreme-luther-double-down/)

http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lutherdd9-620x413.jpg

Folks actually has a night where you can get all you can eat Fried Chicken and Country Fried Steak.

Pity that chain went to hell once they changed their name from Po Folks to just Folks. Used to be some pretty good eatin' there.

Still not sure why there's so much hysteria over this sandwich. I mean I can go to almost any restaurant in the area and find several items on the menu that are WAY worse than this. Some of the BBQ places have an all you can eat Ribs night. Folks actually has a night where you can get all you can eat Fried Chicken and Country Fried Steak. I guarantee you I go way past the calorie/fat/sodium count of the Double Down sandwich on those nights.

It's all because of the novelty of two pieces of fried chicken being used for buns. If that chicken was sliced up and put on a hero, it would be a normal sandwich anywhere else.

Someone upthread said it best: it's basically the main ingredients for what passes for a salad at many chain restaurants these days, outside of sitting on lettuce.

Pity that chain went to hell once they changed their name from Po Folks to just Folks. Used to be some pretty good eatin' there.

I thought the name change was stupid, but I still like the food for the most part.

I thought the name change was stupid, but I still like the food for the most part.

Haven't tried them in quite a while, maybe they've turned it back around. But the first 1-2 years after the switch was fully implemented was really disappointing. Food taste, quantity, and selection went downhill (at least at the ones I usually hit), price went up. That's a crappy combination of changes right there.

KFC Double Down Luther Burger | Top Cultured (http://topcultured.com/will-they-build-it-kfc-krispy-kreme-luther-double-down/)

So what you’ve got here is one tasty mother of a sandwich that starts with a half Krispy Kreme glazed doughnut, extra Colonel’s Sauce (gotta get in those added calories where you can), fried chicken breast, Colonel’s Sauce, cheese slice, bacon, cheese slice, fried chicken breast and other half doughnut.

http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lutherdd10-620x413.jpg

I wish there were a picture so I could really tell what it looks like.

there are pictures in the article.

lol

do you have me on ignore, DT? ;)

They do an Elvis version as well.

KFC Elvis Double Down Sandwich | Top Cultured (http://topcultured.com/will-they-build-it-kfc-elvis-double-down-sandwich/)
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do you have me on ignore, DT? ;)

ohhh...nope!

just didn't read up in the thread to make sure it hadn't been posted already

10 million served so far, will remain on the menu indefinitely.

Double Down to stay on KFC menu | Food and More with John Kessler (http://blogs.ajc.com/food-and-more/2010/05/19/wow-wow-wow-10-million-double-downs-served/)

I'll never understand why people post blurry ass pictures. It's a freaking digital camera, take 20 pictures if you have to, one of them is bound to look decent. Huge pet peeve of mine :mad:

I'll never understand why people post blurry ass pictures. It's a freaking digital camera, take 20 pictures if you have to, one of them is bound to look decent. Huge pet peeve of mine :mad:

Couldn't be helped - the fat oozed onto the lens.

I'll never understand why people post blurry ass pictures. It's a freaking digital camera, take 20 pictures if you have to, one of them is bound to look decent. Huge pet peeve of mine :mad:

Kind of reminds me of the part in Fletch where he's trying to show his boss the pictures he took while he was in Provo and Fletch said, "If any of these were at all legible, you could see what I'm talking about. Here's a picture of the dog that tried to bite me. Here's one of my hotel room". :D

I'll never understand why people post blurry ass pictures. It's a freaking digital camera, take 20 pictures if you have to, one of them is bound to look decent. Huge pet peeve of mine :mad:

it's probably a camera phone and those are ass-tastic

I finally tried one of these the other day and OMG best kfc food evar, I'm a fan.

KFC Double Down Dog - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/kfc-double-down-dog-2015-1)

KFC Cheetos sandwich?

Ok, you knew this had to be coming. The "Double Down Luther Burger". A KFC Double Down placed between a Krispy Kreme bun.

KFC Double Down Luther Burger | Top Cultured (http://topcultured.com/will-they-build-it-kfc-krispy-kreme-luther-double-down/)

http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lutherdd9-620x413.jpg

How did you know the future!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/kfc-is-rolling-out-its-viral-fried-chicken-and-doughnut-sandwich-nationwide/ar-BB10ck3b?li=BBnb7Kw

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB10cpBr.img?h=600&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1034&y=592

All right, all right, which one of you have already tried this one.

Dunkin’ Shows Its Spicy Side with New Spicy Ghost Pepper Donut | Dunkin' (https://news.dunkindonuts.com/news/dunkin-shows-its-spicy-side-with-new-spicy-ghost-pepper-donut)

I have no need for a spicy donut.

This is coming back (perhaps a limited time thing like the McD rib sandwich).

I can't believe it's been almost a decade since it was last offered.

Version 2.0 was meh. 11.99$ for the combo meal. Chicken is the same as the chicken sandwich. So it’s way too big for normal consumption.

I’d give their new Chizza a B or so. It’s pretty good chicken, the toppings are ok and it’s hard to eat. But like if I wanted chicken parm at home and had some spaghetti it would fit right in.

Krispy Kreme is giving an offer for a dozen free glazed donuts if you sign up for an account on their website. Hopefully my daughter will eat them, because if I eat more than 1 every few days it will send me into a sugar shock nowadays.