If there is an injunction and you play games, the damages against WVU and the Big 12 are going to be sky high. If you want to get $5 million more short term to lose 30 million long term, fine.

If there is an injunction and you play games, the damages against WVU and the Big 12 are going to be sky high. If you want to get $5 million more short term to lose 30 million long term, fine.

They could be sky high or they could be much less than WVU is currently offering. Any trial ruling has that type of volatility as a possibility, which is why neither side is likely to let it get to that point.

WVU has made considerable counter claims (some silly and some quite substantial) against the Big East, as well.

I'm not crazy about our exit strategy, but if WVU playing in the Big 12 in 2012 was one of the big reasons why we were invited over other programs, I'm fine with it (particularly when it appears that the current BCS model will be gone within the next year or two and the Big East leftovers will no longer have access to top tier bowls).

I'd probably trust TV people to be more in the know than school sources.

The TV people are probably the most in the know people in this whole thing. That's why I'm trusting what people around the school are saying since it matches up with what Swaim said the execs were telling him.

Oops...............

Error reveals athletic department spent millions less on football than reported | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, Missouri (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/jan/10/mu-not-quite-the-big-spender-it-seemed-to-be/)

Oops...............

Error reveals athletic department spent millions less on football than reported | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, Missouri (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/jan/10/mu-not-quite-the-big-spender-it-seemed-to-be/)

Is there an ongoing record attempt on FOFC for number of times the same article is posted on the board?

Is there an ongoing record attempt on FOFC for number of times the same article is posted on the board?

I dunno - what are you selling today, Baghdad Bob?

I dunno - what are you selling today, Baghdad Bob?

Just amused that a fan of the king of spending is pointing out that his team lost to a school that was spending even less than we originally thought and is posting it after it's already been posted twice on this board.

That's about it for today, Chip.

I sure hope WVU is able to wrap up the Big East stuff, because both WVU and FSU want out of next year's game but can't break it because the Big East wants it. They both want out because there's no reason to add another difficult OOC game to the schedule, plus the return game in 2013 would leave FSU with only 6 homes games, which doesn't work monetarily.

Right, with WVU playing Marshall and James Madison, I guess they don't want a real OOC opponent. FSU's is tough with WVU, USF, and UF. Though USF isn't that great and UF doesn't appear to be all that much currently.

Maybe RU should schedule a better OOC opponent instead of Kent State, Howard, Army, and Tulane.

Right, with WVU playing Marshall and James Madison, I guess they don't want a real OOC opponent. FSU's is tough with WVU, USF, and UF. Though USF isn't that great and UF doesn't appear to be all that much currently.

Maybe RU should schedule a better OOC opponent instead of Kent State, Howard, Army, and Tulane.

WVU doesn't have a choice. A game has to be bought out or there's going to be 13 on the schedule. The James Madison game is at Fed Ex field so there's no getting out of it. The Marshall game is played by state mandate (WVU doesn't want to play the series) and is a much needed home game on next year's schedule. There is a buyout in the contract for it, but WVU will need the home game and it would create a political mess if there was an attempt to buy the game out.

Just amused that a fan of the king of spending is pointing out that his team lost to a school that was spending even less than we originally thought and is posting it after it's already been posted twice on this board.

That's about it for today, Chip.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

Big East invites Princeton football - The Daily Princetonian (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2012/01/13/29759/)

i'll laugh when Swaggs admits to not reading the end of the article

SEC encouraging both St. Louis and KC to bid on SEC basketball tourney. Will be interesting to see how this all falls out. KC is tied to the Big 12-2-2+2 until 2014. With the conference being on relatively shaky ground past that point, does KC look to bid on the SEC Conference tournament to fill that void or do they allow St. Louis to land that tournament? Does the Big 12 offer future years of tournaments right away to avoid the SEC coming in to what has been the most lucrative location of the Big 12 tournament spots?

SEC official visits MU, encourages St. Louis bid for tourneys (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/sec-official-visits-mu-encourages-st-louis-bid-for-tourneys/article_219270c2-40c3-11e1-8d80-001a4bcf6878.html)

Having Kansas City bid on an SEC tournament is like having Boston try to get the current ACC tourney or Philly to get the Big Ten. That will last one year, tops.

Having Kansas City bid on an SEC tournament is like having Boston try to get the current ACC tourney or Philly to get the Big Ten. That will last one year, tops.

I'm assuming you read the article, but if not, you'll note that they plan to keep it on a rotating basis. So it would be a situation where it rotates through every 3-4 years if they got it. I think St. Louis is the much better option out of the two. Located within driving distance of several SEC schools and they wouldn't have to fight for a schedule slot like they might in KC with the Big 12. It's a good flight hub as well with lots of easy connections from SEC-land.

Right, with WVU playing Marshall and James Madison, I guess they don't want a real OOC opponent. FSU's is tough with WVU, USF, and UF. Though USF isn't that great and UF doesn't appear to be all that much currently.

Maybe RU should schedule a better OOC opponent instead of Kent State, Howard, Army, and Tulane.

I really have no idea about WVU. I just know FSU's schedule. I wasn't vouching for WVU's tough schedule or anything. Pick your fight with them. :)

All I know is that Jimbo is at odds with the former administration about the need to schedule tough OOC schools. We already have UF built in, so take 3 cupcakes and don't hurt yourself unnecessarily. The USF contract is a joke - there is no positive to it for FSU, all it can do is strengthen USF as a legit Florida football program (as it did when they beat FSU in Tally under Bowden 3 years ago). I think to the extent possible, FSU is trying to extract itself from these types of contracts in the future. As a football fan, I don't like it, but as a fan of the team, I understand it.

I really have no idea about WVU. I just know FSU's schedule. I wasn't vouching for WVU's tough schedule or anything. Pick your fight with them. :)

All I know is that Jimbo is at odds with the former administration about the need to schedule tough OOC schools. We already have UF built in, so take 3 cupcakes and don't hurt yourself unnecessarily. The USF contract is a joke - there is no positive to it for FSU, all it can do is strengthen USF as a legit Florida football program (as it did when they beat FSU in Tally under Bowden 3 years ago). I think to the extent possible, FSU is trying to extract itself from these types of contracts in the future. As a football fan, I don't like it, but as a fan of the team, I understand it.

They need to bring the strength of schedule back openly to the BCS. They'll still be lots of crap games because teams like playing at home for millions in gate revenue, but at least that would be a counterweight to make it somewhat worthwhile for FSU-Oklahoma type games.

They need to bring the strength of schedule back openly to the BCS. They'll still be lots of crap games because teams like playing at home for millions in gate revenue, but at least that would be a counterweight to make it somewhat worthwhile for FSU-Oklahoma type games.

And balance home vs away, this "play 8 of 12 games at home" has to go.

And balance home vs away, this "play 8 of 12 games at home" has to go.

As a college football fan of one of the BCS teams I could not disagree more. I enjoy attending 7-8 home games a year and could care less that it might make the debate easier in some people's minds (though it really wouldn't) on who the national champion is. I am one of those "weird" fans I guess that actually enjoys watching my team play and don't think the only objective is a national title.

As a college football fan of one of the BCS teams I could not disagree more. I enjoy attending 7-8 home games a year and could care less that it might make the debate easier in some people's minds (though it really wouldn't) on who the national champion is. I am one of those "weird" fans I guess that actually enjoys watching my team play and don't think the only objective is a national title.

I agree with this. There are only a handful of teams that have a legit chance at a national title in any given season. So balancing a schedule would not be a benefit to those BCS schools that wont be in the national title hunt.

And balance home vs away, this "play 8 of 12 games at home" has to go.

Meh. Not a requirement to me.

There's no carrot in the current setup for playing difficult non-conference games unless they're rivalries. Voters look at nothing but record and name, computers don't put enough emphasis on SoS to balance it out. That's all I'd like to fix. Schools that don't care about the rankings can schedule all home non-conference games for all I care.

Not sure what if anything has happened to prompt this, but...

Smart Football <S>@</S>smartfootball <SMALL class=time>1h (https://twitter.com/#!/smartfootball/status/160346087167770624) </SMALL>
<SMALL class=time></SMALL>Seems like West Virginia will play in B12 next year but pay damages to Big East. I'd really want to minimize BE damages; ie 12gm season?

Not sure what if anything has happened to prompt this, but...

Smart Football <s>@</s>smartfootball <small class="time">1h (https://twitter.com/#%21/smartfootball/status/160346087167770624)</small>
<small class="time"></small>Seems like West Virginia will play in B12 next year but pay damages to Big East. I'd really want to minimize BE damages; ie 12gm season?

There's a rumor that started yesterday that's picking up steam that WVU and the Big East reached an agreement in principle on a buyout.

FWIW, some are saying there's a few legal hurdles left to clear, but the pace is picking up.

I've also heard WVU/FSU buyout should be official soon.

Jimbo wants as easy a schedule as possible, the seat is a tad warm.
Though he should be fine. Really follow the parallels between FSU and Clemsonin the coaching change.

Clemson
Year 1 of Dabo Division Champ lose CCG
Year 2 major disappointment
Year 3 Conference Champ

FSU
Year 1 of Jimbo Division Champ and loce CCG
year 2 Major Disappointment
Year 3 ???

He'd want a softer schedule regardless. When he was hired, one of the things I read from multiple sources was that he wanted to get away from Bowden's "take on anyone" motto because it was unnecessary under the current system and with where FSU is now. The USF thing was beyond ridiculous. I have no idea what prompted them to give USF an argument for legitimacy among the big Florida teams. Let them earn it on their own; don't give them a free shot at you when there's absolutely no upside in it for you at all.

Joe Schad tweeted that Navy will soon announce that they are joining the Big East for the 2015 season.

I assume that, as an independent, they have a number of scheduling commitments that they cannot or do not want to break.

Part of me is kind of bummed that the Big East waited so long to make the move to 12. I'm happy that we landed in a better place in the Big 12, but if Pitt and Syracuse (and the other current members) were not leaving, I would probably rather have stuck in the Big East with Navy, Houston, UCF, and TCU.

Navy Midshipmen to join Big East for football in 2015, source says - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7495168/navy-midshipmen-join-big-east-football-2015-source-says)

It's a good flight hub as well with lots of easy connections from SEC-land.

Umm, there aren't easy flight connections to anywhere for a lot of SEC-land teams ;)

(Hey, I live in the area, I can take shots like that if I want too)

Umm, there aren't easy flight connections to anywhere for a lot of SEC-land teams ;)

(Hey, I live in the area, I can take shots like that if I want too)

Well, perhaps I should have stated it a bit differently. The connections to St. Louis from any area are generally better than KC. They just have more connections going through that airport.

Well, perhaps I should have stated it a bit differently. The connections to St. Louis from any area are generally better than KC. They just have more connections going through that airport.

Okay, that makes more sense.

I just kept thinking about some of the horror stories that have been told about trips to Ole Miss (the actual travel part) and was like ???

I'm reading on rivals-mo message board that some ACC schools tired of NC/Duke BB. Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami eyeing Big 12.

WHA???

FSU is not tired of NC/Duke BB. We quite enjoy them at this very moment.

FSU is not tired of NC/Duke BB. We quite enjoy them at this very moment.

:( Indeed.

It is probably our favorite Missouri fan starting up those rumors. :D

because we all know teams are making conference moves based off of basketball...

Word is the agreement between WVU and the Big East is for $12.5 million (the $2.5 million paid plus an additional $10 million).

The Big 12 seemed pretty confident yesterday that this was done because Swaim started leaking schedule info regarding WVU.

I'm reading on rivals-mo message board that some ACC schools tired of NC/Duke BB. Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami eyeing Big 12.


LOLOLOLOLOL

FSU and Clemson had a done package deal to the SEC and both turned it down according to a friend who would have been involved in such a decision, and who is 60+ and not in the business of gossip starting. They both committed to each other and the ACC to stay where they were.

No way they would entertain the B12.

Now that said, the power struggle is coming between the "football" schools and the tobacco road crowd.

That's right, Neinas. It's all MISSOURI's fault.

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/201201250268

Somebody give this guy a rocker, a nurse, and a clue.

dola

Mizzou has football stadium renovations on the way and now it appears A&M will do the same......

A&M notebook: Renovations to Kyle Field should come in stages - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/A-M-notebook-Renovations-to-Kyle-Field-should-2707793.php)

I've heard it entirely depends on whether they get out of the Big East. Those games were scheduled as part of the settlement of the VT/UM/BC defections, and the Big East still wants them for the TV draw.

I hope your info means it's just a matter of when, not if, the Big East lawsuits are resolved.

So from what we're hearing your admin wasn't making it easy for us to get out of the game and once the Big 12 promised us a 5th conference home game we decided to just keep the game on the schedule. It sounds like our series with Maryland is going to get pushed back instead.

A tweet from Swaim on it

@ smeadows24153: Looks like # WVU going to keep # FSU on schedule, so trip to Tally will make its schedule a tough one to navigate" // Brutal

What a mess.

Big 12 schedule finished, but under wraps - Big 12 Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/44976/big-12-schedule-finished-but-under-wraps)

So from what we're hearing your admin wasn't making it easy for us to get out of the game and once the Big 12 promised us a 5th conference home game we decided to just keep the game on the schedule. It sounds like our series with Maryland is going to get pushed back instead.

A tweet from Swaim on it

Damn, that sucks. I wonder if finding a suitable replacement was too difficult, so we just stuck with you.

These are the kinds of games I like to watch, but not when my team is in them. I want to enjoy it, not spend the game pissed and/or a nervous ball of energy.

TomahawkNation.com <S>@</S>TomahawkNation
<S class=hash>#</S>ACC (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23ACC) Moving To Nine Conference Game Schedule When Pitt And Syracuse Join. Big news.

TomahawkNation.com <S>@</S>TomahawkNation
<S class=hash>#</S>ACC (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23ACC) Moving To Nine Conference Game Schedule When Pitt And Syracuse Join. Big news.

That seems to be the going trend and I'm not sure that I like it.

From WVU's perspective, we would usually play Maryland and then rotate through other out of conference teams like Auburn or LSU or another BCS team (there has been a rumor that we'll alternate H/H series between Maryland and Pitt after everything settles into place), but I'm guessing that means we will hardly (if ever) play another BCS team during the regular season. It will be Maryland or Pitt and then one subdivision team and one MAC/CUSA-type that we pay to play at home.

From a Florida State point of view, I'm guessing you guys keep Florida and then similarly will have a difficult time scheduling another BCS team again.

From the tweets I'm seeing, the consensus is that Jimbo is fine with scheduling one other "good" BCS team aside from UF, but that when we go to 9 conference games, he'd likely drop the 2nd decent team and stick with the 2 cupcakes. What makes this coming year different for us (regardless of whether we play 8 or 9 conference games) is that we have UF, WVU, and USF all on the schedule. That's a bit heavy.

From a practical perspective, since Syracuse is joining our division, all this does to our schedule is replace 1 OOC game with Syracuse every year. We still play Miami every year, and we still play 2 games against rotating teams in the other division. And, as we do in most years, we'll still play 2 cupcakes.

Ksyrup- The 2013 schedule with @UF and @WVU is also a problem. If Spetman or whoever in the admin was being a pain about the WVU series, they're going to get a kick in the ass when FSU only has 6 home games in 2013.

Damn, that sucks. I wonder if finding a suitable replacement was too difficult, so we just stuck with you.

These are the kinds of games I like to watch, but not when my team is in them. I want to enjoy it, not spend the game pissed and/or a nervous ball of energy.

Some people still don't think the game ends up getting played and that this is just a way to get some leverage. Who knows? Chip Brown says the Big 12 schedule will be released on Tuesday or Wednesday and it includes WVU and TCU. So that should be a sign that WVU is more or less out of the Big East.

WVU-FSU game cancelled.

Statement On West Virginia Football Game (http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020412aac.html)

Ha! We got our of 2 games we didn't want to play, and WVU is paying us to find a new 2012 opponent.

I see the statement is they only canceled the first half of the home-and-home. Surely we wouldn't play there, but not have a return game? We need the 7th home game in 2013 anyway. Twitterfolk are talking as if both games are canceled, which I assume is the case but not announced today.

I see the statement is they only canceled the first half of the home-and-home. Surely we wouldn't play there, but not have a return game? We need the 7th home game in 2013 anyway. Twitterfolk are talking as if both games are canceled, which I assume is the case but not announced today.

Pretty sure both games were canceled. It sounds like we had asked for 5 conference home games so that we could keep this game, but the final big 12 schedule only gave us 4 so we had to move quickly to get this done.

It kind of sucks that these games won't get played, but they just didn't make much sense for either school at this point. The bright side is this is a clear sign that we're likely out of the Big East soon. The holdup on something official is supposedly the Big East figuring out what its going to do for 2012.

I think the $350k we're paying to get out of a game that neither school really wanted shows that you guys were being a pain in the ass on this one. ;)

Yeah, the whole posturing thing on this is a little weird. Spetman is saying we may sue you guys, and he's publicly said he's checking with OU, aTm, and other big time schools to fill in, which is just nuts. But others are saying he's just saying that to make it look like we're trying to get a replacement to set up damages for a lawsuit. The whole thing is weird because it seems obvious we wanted out just as much as you. I guess this is posturing on FSU's part to calm season ticket holders who would rather have WVU tickets than Asskicked State?

Spetman's dumb enough that I hope Jimbo takes the phone away from him before we're paying Boise State 1.5 million to come to Tallahassee.

I read in an article today that WVU paid $500K to get out of the deal because it was less than a year away, but that FSU will have to pay to get out of the return game (which will be $300K if done more than a year in advance).

There is language in the contract that states that the fees can be waived if "suitable" replacements are made. If, in fact, WVU gets into the Big 12 in 2012 and the Big East cannot find a replacement, it would seem feasible that FSU could play a Big East team (maybe Pitt or Syracuse, to benefit their future ACC relationship?).

I am half wondering if there is a chance that Syracuse and Pitt make the late move to the ACC in 2012 and the whole point is moot.

Long but interesting read about the decision by Ga Tech to leave the SEC in 1964. It's from the GT alumni magazine, so take the point of view for what it is worth. Most people probably don't realize that Tech was a top 2 or 3 ACC program prior to leaving. How times have changed.

The Day Tech Sports Changed Forever (http://gtalumnimag.com/2011/02/the-day-tech-sports-changed-forever/)

<S>@</S>BryanDFischer (https://twitter.com/#!/BryanDFischer): Sports Biz Journal says ACC will only get $1-2 million extra per school w/ addition of Pitt & Syracuse

College football: Big Ten kicking around idea regarding a national four-team football playoff - chicagotribune.com (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-idea-a-college-football-playoff-with-home-games-20120206,0,4747499.story)

The Big Ten is not only ready to listen to proposals regarding a national four-team football playoff, league and school officials are kicking around an intriguing idea.

Sources told the Tribune that a Big Ten plan would remove the top four teams from the BCS bowl pool and have semifinal games played on the college campus of the higher seed. That would do away with the facade of “neutral” sites such as New Orleans,Miami and Pasadena, Calif., and ease travel concern for fans.

The championship game then could be bid out, like the Super Bowl.

The concept of the Big Ten even entertaining playoff proposals seemed laughable as recently as two months ago. But in the wake of a low-rated BCS title game that satisfied few outside the Southeastern Conference footprint, the conference is ready to study and contribute ideas.

“We have to listen to the fans; we cannot be tone-deaf,” said Northwestern athletics director Jim Phillips, who chairs the Big Ten’s Administrators Council. “The Big Ten is open and curious.”

In 2008, the SEC proposed a Plus-One – a more palatable term for a four-team playoff – during BCS discussions, and the ACC supported it. But with the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big 12, Big East and Notre Dame disapproving, the plan never materialized.

“There has been a lot of bantering and rhetoric,” Phillips said, “but no one has come up with a formal plan.”

BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock said that 50-60 BCS bowl/playoff plans were presented the day after the BCS title game in New Orleans, but they apparently lack details. The next college football cycle begins with the 2014 season, and most expect a new system to be approved this fall.

Also on the table: Creating a seven-win requirement for bowl teams, a rule that could torpedo more than a half-dozen money-losing games and end embarrassing contests between schools that dumped their head coaches.

And moving up the BCS title game. Alabama’s trouncing of LSU took place Jan. 9, a day after the NFL’s Wildcard Weekend. Fourteen percent of the country tuned in, marking the third-lowest rating in the 14 years of the BCS.

“There is a very strong sense that we have missed the boat and are playing games too late,” Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told the Tribune. “Students are back in class, people are back at work.”

Delany would not comment on any potential Big Ten playoff proposal, saying he first needs to take the temperature of university presidents, chancellors and athletic directors.

But he did say: “I think sports fans are conditioned to playoffs. I don’t begrudge them that. They’re looking for more games, but we’re trying to do the right thing.

“It’s a matter of coming up with something that does not kill the baby with the bath water. We have a regular season that is vibrant. We have 12 games plus a (conference) championship game – that’s a lot of games. We have academic calendars, though that doesn’t resonate with many people. But if you’re dealing with university presidents, faculty and coaches, you’re talking about it.”

NU’s Phillips said that in evaluating playoff proposals, Big Ten officials would use four criteria:

*Is it fair to the student-athletes already suiting up for 12-13 games?

*Would it undermine college football’s vital regular season?

*Would the teams be chosen in a way that reflects competitive fairness?

*Can the Rose Bowl be protected?

I love the idea of having the games be on the higher ranks home field. It keeps the regular season meaning something, and it's about team a Southern school has to possibly come up North in the winter to play a game.

The Big 10 is only proposing it that way because it's completely self-serving - it preserves the Rose Bowl for them and the Pac 12 under all circumstances.

How dare they protect their own interests!

I don't have a problem with it, just pointing out that it really shouldn't be surprising (as the article suggests) that they are suddenly for a limited playoff when they see the wwriting on the wall and are doing the smart thing by trrying to jump out front with a proposal they are making public to get people to latch onto it.

Is it fair to the student-athletes already suiting up for 12-13 games?

I never get this part. Basketball does more than twice as many games.

I never get this part. Basketball does more than twice as many games.

I never got it because I still remember when the SEC and Big XII where the only conferences playing the extra title game and the argument from the presidents was that it was unfair to make the players play 13-14 games instead of the 11 + 1 bowl game.

Well, now 12 teams play 14 games when it's all said and done and another 50+ play 13. All in the name of $ they're not getting a piece of. And when the majority of the conferences shift to 9 game conference schedules, you'll start to hear request for another week to be added going into August so schools can get 8 home games when they have 5 road conference games.

I never get this part. Basketball does more than twice as many games.

Right, but basketball players don't play a sport which might cause permanent injury. And the colleges don't pay health insurance so lest they put themselves more at-risk for their unpaid labor force.

Right, but basketball players don't play a sport which might cause permanent injury. And the colleges don't pay health insurance so lest they put themselves more at-risk for their unpaid labor force.

Well, the colleges have expanded to the current 12 or 13 game schedule over the last decade or so for money reasons.

I like the four-team playoff and the seven win requirement for bowl eligibility.

Don't know who this is but...

Bryan <S>@</S>PittScript
With no real solutions on the horizon for <S>#</S>Pitt (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Pitt) or Cuse to fill 2 games each, the idea of both going to the ACC next season seems more real.

The Big East would really love that.

Right, but basketball players don't play a sport which might cause permanent injury. And the colleges don't pay health insurance so lest they put themselves more at-risk for their unpaid labor force.

And I imagine, players have comparable practice/prep time in both sports as is at the moment. If a college basketball team has a game Sunday and then Wednesday, they're not doing nearly as much to prepare for that Wednesday game as a college football team would to prepare for any game.

Some more, from a Pitt reporter:

Bryan <S>@</S>PittScript
Potential bombshell from <S>@</S>PaulZeise (https://twitter.com/#!/PaulZeise) - if WVU leaves for 2012, expect <S>#</S>Pitt (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Pitt) to follow them out the door.

for the record, Zeise is a troll

Right, but basketball players don't play a sport which might cause permanent injury.

They don't?

Memphis to the Big East starting in 2013-14 in all sports.

Memphis Tigers joining Big East for 2013-14 season - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7551260/memphis-tigers-joining-big-east-2013-14-season)

Memphis to the Big East starting in 2013-14 in all sports.

Memphis Tigers joining Big East for 2013-14 season - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7551260/memphis-tigers-joining-big-east-2013-14-season)

I wouldn't be surprised to see them test the waters and see what it would take to get into the Big East for 2012.

I kind of feel bad for East Carolina. They probably have the best fan support of any school that isn't in a BCS conference or headed to one and they're getting passed over again and again.

I kind of feel bad for East Carolina. They probably have the best fan support of any school that isn't in a BCS conference or headed to one and they're getting passed over again and again.

I would have much preferred them over Memphis.

I would have much preferred them over Memphis.

Same, but it's all about basketball. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Also, Memphis' buyout is reportedly all future TV revenue from C-USA, thus it would be in the $6M range.

It honestly bums me out to see the Big East making moves like this now.

If we would have added teams like Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, Navy and SMU (I'll throw in TCU and Temple, too) 3-4 years ago, they would already be bearing the fruit of being in a BCS conference, be competitive and the loss of Pitt and Syracuse wouldn't have been the backbreaker that it was for the football schools. As it is now, it is way too late (and just silly to be adding all the Western schools now that the BCS is probably no longer going to exist).

I hope Rutgers, Louisville, Cincy and some of the other schools can find a home in the ACC or Big 12 soon, or at least ditch the non-football schools and Notre Dame.

This is obviously bigger than football, but..

Brett McMurphy <S>@</S>McMurphyCBS
C-USA contacts Temple; potential C-USA/MWC merger "changes weekly"

CUSA, MWC could "dissolve," form new league - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/34396819)

And...

Brian Hamilton <S>@</S>ChiTribHamilton
Big East sends official email: Memphis joins in 2013. Hails "top 50 media market" in "heart of the nation’s largest conference footprint."

Big East, WVU near $20 million settlement - CBSSports.com (http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34757696)

The PPG is reporting $11 million.

WVU close to settling suit and joining Big 12 this year (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12039/1208979-100.stm)

Memphis to the Big East starting in 2013-14 in all sports.

Memphis Tigers joining Big East for 2013-14 season - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7551260/memphis-tigers-joining-big-east-2013-14-season)

Jeez, how many times am I going to have to change my pstats file?

Finally done according to multiple sources.

http://dailymail.com/News/breakingnews/201202090205

Deal! - West Virginia Headline News and Talk Radio (http://www.wvmetronews.com/news.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=50865)

WVU is paying $11 million. The Big 12 is chipping in $9 million.

EDIT: made a correction on how the buyout was split up.

Jeez, how many times am I going to have to change my pstats file?

haha I know right.

Mountain West, Conference USA form new league, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7571596/mountain-west-conference-usa-form-new-league-sources-say)

MWC/C-USA merger happening.

Yay, I guess. Should be a solid basketball league, though football is going to be pretty sad...

Will they use the name "Big Others Conference"

They should call it the Marshall Extending to Hawaii conference, or MEH for short.

Another source of a MW/CUSA merger:

BREAKING NEWS: UNLV Plans to Depart Mountain West, Join Newly Fo (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/16924433/breaking-news-unlv-to-depart-mountain-west-join-newly-formed-league)

Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Colorado State, East Carolina, Fresno State, Hawaii, Marshall, Nevada-Reno, New Mexico, UNLV, Rice, Southern Mississippi, Texas-El Paso, Tulane, Tulsa and Wyoming will be the 16 members.

the new league will likely try to get automatic qualifier status into football’s Bowl Championship Series.


These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

I'm sure the powers that be will review their application for AQ status for the next 2 years, and then it will be moot when AQ/non-AQ is abolished.

Will they use the name "Big Others Conference"

They should call it the "Big 16" to get a jump on all the other "Big XX" conferences.

These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

Yeah, no where have I seen such delusional ideas. Must've come from a local market source. This deal is about withstanding an attack if more raiding happens and enables them to both get better tv deals. Not much more than that.

They should call it the "Big 16" to get a jump on all the other "Big XX" conferences.
From what I remember last summer, the Big XII actually owns the rights for Big 13-16.

I'm sure the powers that be will review their application for AQ status for the next 2 years, and then it will be moot when AQ/non-AQ is abolished.

Exactly. This is just one more step towards consolidating conferences and moving toward a larger playoff structure. These schools are wise to be the first group to go to 16 teams. By doing it proactively, they'll be involved in the discussion when the bigger conferences do the same. If they were to wait and react after the big conferences make the move, they'd be in a much weaker position.

Exactly. This is just one more step towards consolidating conferences and moving toward a larger playoff structure. These schools are wise to be the first group to go to 16 teams. By doing it proactively, they'll be involved in the discussion when the bigger conferences do the same. If they were to wait and react after the big conferences make the move, they'd be in a much weaker position.

Why?

Why?

They're in a much better position with 16 teams lobbying at the table. If you leave that group out, you're going to have some pretty big ramifications, likely on a political level from a funding/anti-trust perspective. They can leave out smaller groups, but a conference that big has to be put in play when they move to a playoff format.

All the BCS conferences are going to do is have the NCAA deny Mount America's request for a 4 team conference championship playoff making the whole thing pointless.

I think they tried this already..wasn't it called the WAC?

In 1996, the WAC expanded again, adding six schools to its ranks for a total of sixteen. Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University), TCU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Christian_University), and SMU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Methodist_University) joined the league from the Southwest Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Athletic_Conference), which had disbanded. Big West Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_West_Conference) members San Jose State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_State_University) and UNLV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Nevada,_Las_Vegas) were also admitted, as well as Tulsa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tulsa) from the Missouri Valley Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference).<sup id="cite_ref-wac16teams_8-0" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference#cite_note-wac16teams-8)</sup> With the expansion, the WAC was divided into two divisions.
To help in organizing schedules and travel for the farflung league, the members were divided into four quadrants of four teams each, as follows:<sup id="cite_ref-wac16teams_8-1" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference#cite_note-wac16teams-8)</sup>
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr> <th>Quadrant 1</th> <th>Quadrant 2</th> <th>Quadrant 3</th> <th>Quadrant 4</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Hawaiʻi</td> <td>UNLV</td> <td>BYU</td> <td>Tulsa</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fresno State</td> <td>Air Force</td> <td>Utah</td> <td>TCU</td> </tr> <tr> <td>San Diego State</td> <td>Colorado State</td> <td>New Mexico</td> <td>SMU</td> </tr> <tr> <td>San Jose State</td> <td>Wyoming</td> <td>UTEP</td> <td>Rice</td></tr></tbody></table>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference#WAC_in_the_2000s

Big 12 finally released their schedule. This is interesting.

<S>@</S>davidubben (https://twitter.com/#!/davidubben): Texas on Nov. 17: Open date. Texas A&M on Nov. 17: Open date. Juuuuuuuust sayin', guys.

Texas has a fun slate to open conference play:

at OSU
vs. WVU
Red River Shootout

Chip Brown <S>@</S>ChipBrownOB
I was just told the Texas-TCU game is definitely moving from Nov. 24 to Thanksgiving this year.

These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

I guess in theory, the champion of a MWC/CUSA (which also includes a lot of former WAC members) would be more qualified than the champion of any of those three conference individually, maybe even if you account for defections. If the best teams in the non-BCS schools all got together, the champion of that group is going to be more qualified than the Big East champion most years, and the ACC champion some years. And the Big East is weaker than it was.

I think it's smart to be as big as possible after the conference movement we've seen the last few years. It makes no sense to be only at your ideal conference size if you can be poached at any moment.

Big 12 finally released their schedule. This is interesting.

<S>@</S>davidubben (https://twitter.com/#!/davidubben): Texas on Nov. 17: Open date. Texas A&M on Nov. 17: Open date. Juuuuuuuust sayin', guys.

KU and MU are currently the same way which has sparked similar conversations.

Temple to Big East? (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/sports/ncaafootball/temple-in-talks-to-join-big-east-in-all-sports.html?_r=2&ref=sports)

The merry-go-round continues.

The merger seems more about packaging television rights than it does to serve as a conduit into a BCS game.

The more games, the more risk. Especially when you're playing better teams.

Look at Houston this past season. After 12 games, the Cougars would have been an auto-invite to a BCS bowl. But because Conference USA has 12 teams and a championship game, they had to play another game. Which they lost, and that meant no BCS berths for Conference USA.

This mega-conference will only improve the quality of that last opponent, meaning more risk of a top-ten team that hasn't been vetted (like Houston) losing at the end.

The mid-majors have to take advantage of the system - that advantage is a good team has a much easier path to the BCS. The disadvantage is that one loss and you're out.

I'm sure they're realists out there, so this is solely about offering a more complete package to ESPN.

SEC already getting buyer's remorse?

SEC Football: Did the Conference Make a Mistake with Missouri? | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1065271-sec-football-did-the-conference-make-a-mistake-with-missouri)

Buyer's remorse? That article is one writer's opinion and nothing more. There's not a stitch of actual reporting, just an "in my opinion" essay. He might be right but there's nothing in that article that suggests anyone in the SEC believes that.

I'm just asking questions here, not making any statements. You'll see questions like this, and many more, in a book I'm writing with world famous author Erich von Daniken titled "Chariots of the Conference Realignment Gods?".

In the book, we'll also tackle such things as:

"Is the BCS Crystal trophy some kind of anti-matter fuel? There is much evidence that Huntsville, AL is a center of rocketry, and there is evidence that the BCS trophies on display at Alabama are replicas. The leads to the question, where are the real trophies?"

"If you draw a map connecting all of the new members of the Big East, it strangely mirrors the constellation Triangulum Australe. What did the ancients know about this coast-to-coast realignment?"

Look for the book to come out this summer!

Big 12 exit fees for Mizzou and A&M are announced. $12.41 million per school.

Big 12 imposes Missouri Tigers, Texas A&M Aggies exit buyout of $12.41 million - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7626832/big-12-imposes-missouri-tigers-texas-aggies-exit-buyout-1241-million)

Big 12 exit fees for Mizzou and A&M are announced. $12.41 million per school.

Big 12 imposes Missouri Tigers, Texas A&M Aggies exit buyout of $12.41 million - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7626832/big-12-imposes-missouri-tigers-texas-aggies-exit-buyout-1241-million)

Per the usual, the rumored huge buyout fees end up being pretty overinflated. I'm sure the leaders of both schools are very pleased with that result.

This:
Per the usual, the rumored huge buyout fees end up being pretty overinflated. I'm sure the leaders of both schools are very pleased with that result.

Does not jive with this:

Couple more things I heard from a friend of the Kroenke family today.

1. Buyout for Mizzou will end up being around $5M. Kroenke family has already told Mizzou that they will cut a check for the full amount of any buyout.

This:

Does not jive with this:

Regardless of what I heard, the buyout amount is very reasonable. Rumored amounts amongst the media were as much as $25M (which is what I was referencing in my post that things were overinflated).

It also represents an amount that is $12.41M more than the Longhorn Network will be making in ten years.

It also represents an amount that is $12.41M more than the Longhorn Network will be making in ten years.

It is also $12.41M more than Mizzou will see from ticket sales in the Border War. Kinda silly to be so scared of something that you think won't be around in 10 years that you bail out of the conference.

It is also $12.41M more than Mizzou will see from ticket sales in the Border War. Kinda silly to be so scared of something that you think won't be around in 10 years that you bail out of the conference.

Or to single-handedly dismantle two conferences in 15 years for something that won't be around in ten years.

Or to single-handedly dismantle two conferences in 15 years for something that won't be around in ten years.

You sure do have an interesting definition for 'single-handedly'. Not to mention that the Big 12 is far from done. It is doing quite well in fact.

Dola, there was an interesting note in the news about the buyouts. Evidently A&M is going to receive something from the 13 year/$90 mil per year Big 12 TV deal with Fox Sports that starts on July 1st while Mizzou waived any rights to receive anything from the deal. I'll be interested in hearing more about that.

Dola, there was an interesting note in the news about the buyouts. Evidently A&M is going to receive something from the 13 year/$90 mil per year Big 12 TV deal with Fox Sports that starts on July 1st while Mizzou waived any rights to receive anything from the deal. I'll be interested in hearing more about that.

Big 12 exit fees set for A&M, Mizzou and they're not that bad | MrSEC (http://www.mrsec.com/2012/02/big-12-exit-fees-set-for-am-mizzou-and-theyre-not-that-bad/)

dola

Mizzou sent out a survey to all Tiger Scholarship Fund donors today. Survey is for getting feedback for the upcoming renovation/expansion of the football stadium. Exciting times at Mizzou. Can't wait to see the full list of proposed changes. The survey questions indicate that they're looking to make some very big changes.

This isn't the Stadium Expansion thread.

This isn't the Stadium Expansion thread.

But it is the 'schools suddenly have sh%#-tons of money thanks to their conference move so now they can build a better stadium' thread, albeit a slight variant of that title.

But it is the 'schools suddenly have sh%#-tons of money thanks to their conference move so now they can build a better stadium' thread, albeit a slight variant of that title.

If they have a shit ton of money, why ask donors for cash?

If they have a shit ton of money, why ask donors for cash?

They didn't have to. The donors tossed it over as soon as the move was complete. To the tune of $200M thus far.

Sounds like the changes are going to be modest.

Mizzou mulls stadium expansion (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/mizzou-mulls-stadium-expansion/article_2d55cbaa-13a2-11e1-aee8-001a4bcf6878.html)

But there's no way you'd wildly overstate things, right?

With those aforementioned stadium plans being in the $40 million range, and you reporting $200 million in donations already given, something doesn't add up. Why then is Mizzou raising ticket and parking prices across the board?

A Letter to Tiger Nation - MUTIGERS.COM - The University of Missouri Official Athletic Site (http://www.mutigers.com/genrel/022012aaa.html)

Here's what you said before:
Couple more things I heard from a friend of the Kroenke family today.

1. Buyout for Mizzou will end up being around $5M. Kroenke family has already told Mizzou that they will cut a check for the full amount of any buyout.

2. Checks for $50M were cut today by Mizzou alumni for beginning stages of football stadium expansion. Another $110M on top of that amount is pledged and forthcoming to complete latter stages of a football stadium expansion. All $160M was contingent on MU moving to the SEC.
The buyout amount has already been proven wrong. Now you are saying it isn't $160 million, but now $200 million?

In finance, M stands for thousand...so maybe there's been $200 thousand raised.

With those aforementioned stadium plans being in the $40 million range, and you reporting $200 million in donations already given, something doesn't add up. Why then is Mizzou raising ticket and parking prices across the board?

A Letter to Tiger Nation - MUTIGERS.COM - The University of Missouri Official Athletic Site (http://www.mutigers.com/genrel/022012aaa.html)

Here's what you said before:

The buyout amount has already been proven wrong. Now you are saying it isn't $160 million, but now $200 million?

Feel free to disagree. The 'Big Six' donors have pledged 200M.

As for parking and ticket prices, a raise was a given. We're in the premier football conference in the nation now. The prices are rising because we're on a different playing field now. The donors are taking care of the facility expansions (of which the football stadium is only a portion) and the buyout fees.

Sounds like the changes are going to be modest.

Mizzou mulls stadium expansion (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/mizzou-mulls-stadium-expansion/article_2d55cbaa-13a2-11e1-aee8-001a4bcf6878.html)

But there's no way you'd wildly overstate things, right?

That article is a few months old. They are planning to add stadium seats in addition thanks to the extra donor money.

I think he meant 200 BILLION DOLLARS!

I think he meant 200 BILLION DOLLARS!

If anything, I think cartman's obsession with all things Mizzou has made it perfectly clear what effect the Longhorn Network is having in Texas. People in the state of Texas are watching more Mizzou games on national TV because they can't even watch the UT games in their own states. And with the SEC/ESPN deal, they'll see even more of Mizzou next year. It's a win-win for Texas residents IMO.

Seriously, how deep is your BS well? You seem to have a never-ending stream of it to share.

The official Mizzou is awesome / Mizzou sucks thread - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2616879)

Seriously, how deep is your BS well? You seem to have a never-ending stream of it to share.

OMG cartman, you're so upsessed with Missouri!

The premier football conference in America....jock sniff much?

Not that I'd argue, but be sure to realzie that much like SC and Vandy Mizzou has doen nothing to contribute to that status, and I'd even submit that the luster was a bit tarnished by their inclusion.

And give it up with the secret 6 shit....every program has big boosters..the thing is boosters give big money for the benefits and deductions....200MM wouldn't qualify for the latter and there isnt enough of the former to go around.

But you should probably realize that Bama would laugh at your putrid 200,000,000 hell that was the offense's payroll last year.

And give it up with the secret 6 shit....every program has big boosters..the thing is boosters give big money for the benefits and deductions....200MM wouldn't qualify for the latter and there isnt enough of the former to go around.

But you should probably realize that Bama would laugh at your putrid 200,000,000 hell that was the offense's payroll last year.

The big money guys aren't giving it away because of deductions. The guys we're talking about are guys who have nothing better to do with it. Mizzou has the Laurie's, the Kroenke's and four Fortune 500 execs who are making the big donations. There's nothing secret about that.

Your second point is very good and the exact reason why Mizzou is seeing a huge influx of money. Pinkel flat-out told the big money guys and the AD that they shouldn't bother going to the SEC if the big donors weren't willing to fund major renovations of the stadium and facilities to remain competitive with the other SEC schools. They said they would do so and so the move was made.

So, how 'bout that MWC-CUSA merger? Any thoughts on the future of the Great West?

Temple officially to the Big East. MAC gets $6 million out of it, or about 5 years worth of their current ESPN tv deal.

In less stunning news- The SEC is opposed to a 4 team conference champions only playoff.

So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that? Over what time period?

And if they are really cutting $50 million checks to pay for renovations in cash, they need better financial planning. In this interest rate environment, that is just silly.

So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that?

YES!

Over what time period?

INSTANTLY!


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So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that? Over what time period?

And if they are really cutting $50 million checks to pay for renovations in cash, they need better financial planning. In this interest rate environment, that is just silly.

No, they are not paying for it in cash. They pull out bonds and repay them. It's a very common way of doing it. They did the same thing with the new basketball arena.

No, they are not paying for it in cash. They pull out bonds and repay them. It's a very common way of doing it. They did the same thing with the new basketball arena.

Try to keep your stories consistent.

They didn't have to. The donors tossed it over as soon as the move was complete. To the tune of $200M thus far.


2. Checks for $50M were cut today by Mizzou alumni for beginning stages of football stadium expansion. Another $110M on top of that amount is pledged and forthcoming to complete latter stages of a football stadium expansion. All $160M was contingent on MU moving to the SEC.

Try to keep your stories consistent.

Nothing inconsistent there. The money's been pledged whether I stated it to the nit-picking level that you require on every post. Thanks for your interest in Mizzou.

Ok, so the difference between:

"Checks for $50M were cut today" and "The money's been pledged"

is just nit-picking on my part. :rolleyes:

My main interest in Mizzou (and most others here on the board that don't have a connection to the school) is how badly you have to twist and overstate things about them, then get indignant when called on it.

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Not that anyone cares, but sounds like Butler might get an invite from the A10 to replace Temple. Very excited if it does indeed come to pass. Plus, it adds another natural geographic rival for Dayton, Xavier, and St. Louis, who are on the far Western edge of the conference's geography.

Yeah. I like that Bulter would be in. St Louis is along way away from anyone.
I wish St Louis would join the MVC.

Someone throw me a frickin bone.

Someone throw me a frickin bone.

Did something happen that I missed?

No, just not happy with my lot in life.

Emails show extensive efforts to prevent Missouri from leaving Big 12 Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/mar/18/behind-the-scenes-of-a-breakup/?tigerextra)

All that tells me is Neinas is the biggest hypocrite in college sports.

Emails show extensive efforts to prevent Missouri from leaving Big 12 Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/mar/18/behind-the-scenes-of-a-breakup/?tigerextra)

Norfolk St

All that tells me is Neinas is the biggest hypocrite in college sports.
Among other things. Nienas is a huge joke in KC to all three fan bases. His getting booed at the Big 12 tournament here was pretty funny, as well as his continued aphasia.

Norfolk St
Maryland.

That's right, I just played some lacrosse smack.

Norfolk St

:p

Norfolk St

MISSOURI IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, THEY ARE VICTIMS IN ALL OF THIS. TEXAS TOLD THEM THEY COULDN'T PLAY ANYMORE, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/17904063/mike-slive-sec-expansion-has-strengthened-us-in-tv-negotiations)

Asked by the Commercial-Appeal when those "re-negotiations" with CBS and ESPN would begin, Slive candidly answered with this (emphasis added):

"We have started discussions with both our television partners. We feel adding Texas A&M and Missouri has strengthened us in lots of ways, but it certainly strengthened us in television."

"It certainly strengthened us in television" is commissioner-speak for "Hey, you saw that very nice bump the Big 12 got in its post-expansion TV contract? We're going to make it look like the 47 cents in your Camry's ashtray.

Maryland.

That's right, I just played some lacrosse smack.

Hey, I coulda told you before the season started that SU would be great but not be great :)

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/17904063/mike-slive-sec-expansion-has-strengthened-us-in-tv-negotiations)

Norfolk St

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/17904063/mike-slive-sec-expansion-has-strengthened-us-in-tv-negotiations)

This was more about the SEC going to 14 teams than adding A&M and Missouri.

This was more about the SEC going to 14 teams than adding A&M and Missouri.

Well, it was more about going to 14 teams with high quality TV markets than just going to 14 teams. He made it quite clear throughout the process that the markets were a big factor in those selections.

Now that Mizzou lost to Norfolk St. and Joakim Soria is out for the year, I think it's safe to say we have MBBF safely quarantined in this thread for the foreseeable future.

Lock it up before he escapes!

KU/MU: Acting like children | Upon Further Review (http://uponfurtherreview.blog.com/archives/193/)

Well, it was more about going to 14 teams with high quality TV markets than just going to 14 teams. He made it quite clear throughout the process that the markets were a big factor in those selections.

They aren't so big a factor to the Big 12's current negotiations, though. Despite losing great TV markets to the SEC and adding WVU and TCU, they're about to do a combined $2.5B TV rights deal with Fox and ESPN. Schools are going to get approximately $5M more a year without Missouri and aTm than with them.

They aren't so big a factor to the Big 12's current negotiations, though. Despite losing great TV markets to the SEC and adding WVU and TCU, they're about to do a combined $2.5B TV rights deal with Fox and ESPN. Schools are going to get approximately $5M more a year without Missouri and aTm than with them.

That's not correct. The Big 12 didn't lose any markets. KU still has KC and the state of Texas hasn't changed hands in any way. I suppose they lost STL at some level, but it was already divided somewhat with B10 and SEC as well.

Also, the increase in value is a natural escalation of the contract more than any real gain. The SEC contract should be done by summer. That will tell a lot whether the B12 actually got a better deal or just another deal. I don't think anyone will feel sorry for the B12 institutions in any way. They've still got plenty of money to work with in the end.

KU still has KC

So we should have seen the revenue go down, then?

So we should have seen the revenue go down, then?

I wouldn't think there would be much of a change. It opened up a market for the SEC more than it took it away from the B12, no?

Given the state of KU football, if it didn't drastically take away market losing Missouri, then there's not much market there to begin with.

Given the state of KU football, if it didn't drastically take away market losing Missouri, then there's not much market there to begin with.

If anything, the moving and shaking helped KU. Before the defections and threats, the revenue from football wasn't evenly distributed. There were some changes made this past year that helped KU keep more revenue despite the unfortunate state of their football program.

That will be offset by the additions they had to make to the buffet offerings for their new coach. :D

That will be offset by the additions they had to make to the buffet offerings for their new coach. :D

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Ah yes. Surprising that they got both the former and current coach to pose together.

Your 2016 KU Jayhawks football coach: Ralph Friedgen!

SI

Your 2016 KU Jayhawks football coach: Ralph Friedgen!

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Fairly interesting article about Atlantic 10 expansion:BrewCity Ball CMS - The A10 waits to make its move (http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?286-the-a10-moves)

Fairly interesting article about Atlantic 10 expansion:BrewCity Ball CMS - The A10 waits to make its move (http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?286-the-a10-moves)

Pretty good article, but I disagree vehemently with this:

So what happens then? All of a sudden, the CAA is down to ten members and the MVC is down to nine. I see the CAA standing pat; there are no real schools the conference would like to add out east, and they might only find a new team if Georgia State decides to join Charlotte in the Sun Belt (GSU added football in 2010).

The CAA would not stand pat if they lost VCU and/or Mason. For one, They'll be at an odd number of bball teams without VCU. For another, they see some combination of ODU/GSU/JMU eventually leaving for FBS. So, they would look to grow - I think likely trying to add a SoCon team or two - ASU, GoSo, Wofford type teams. But look for it to be more about fball in this scenario than bball, wanting to add all-sports teams.

All of that being said, there are a lot of denials coming out of the VCU and GMU camps, but they all seem to leave openings - "we are not pursuing the A10", etc.

Some surprisingly honest comments from the Louisville president this morning on local KC radio.

-Said he expects mega conferences (16 teams and up) within 5-7 years.
-Said he expects a playoff in 5-7 years.
-When asked if he would entertain any offers from large BCS football conference, he said that the landscape has changed to the point they would have to consider them. Said that football is king and the Big East TV contracts are relatively weak.
-When asked which conference Louisville would be a member of in 10 years, he laughed and said "I don't know. I'll just hedge my answer on that one."

Bigger news to me than most people I'm sure since it impacts the CAA.

Georgia State University, with it's fledgling I-AA squad (2011-2012 was their last year as a probationary or whatever team) is going to the Sunbelt for all sports.

Bigger news to me than most people I'm sure since it impacts the CAA.

Georgia State University, with it's fledgling I-AA squad (2011-2012 was their last year as a probationary or whatever team) is going to the Sunbelt for all sports.

Have a brother in law that attended GSU. He'll be pretty excited about that.

Are any of the Clemson or Florida State folks hearing anything about a move to the Big 12? There have been lots of rumors from the WVU side of things that the Big 12's new TV contract would afford the opportunity for expansion and that adding those two schools (plus the conference championship game) would get in the $21-26-million range for Tier 1 and Tier 2 (and each of those schools could probably get another $5-10-million in Tier 3 distribution).

I guess that the thought is, with the ACC locked into its recent deal (that includes all 3 tiers), there is no way it can compete with those types of numbers and ESPN has little incentive to throw much more money to the ACC when it has it locked up (and the recent additions of Pitt and Syracuse don't add enough to the pot to jump 14 teams' revenues up into the range).

If those two jump, it could be serious armageddon, as you could see the Big Ten try to get some of the more academically prestigious state schools (Maryland, UVA, UNC) or possibly Georgia Tech or Duke and then see the SEC take a swing at getting into North Carolina (UNC or NC State) and Virginia (VPI).

Anyway, not sure if this is a Big 12 wet dream-type of thing or not, but I've been hearing for awhile that Clemson and Florida State are considering and seeing it from more and more sites lately.

Are any of the Clemson or Florida State folks hearing anything about a move to the Big 12? There have been lots of rumors from the WVU side of things that the Big 12's new TV contract would afford the opportunity for expansion and that adding those two schools (plus the conference championship game) would get in the $21-26-million range for Tier 1 and Tier 2 (and each of those schools could probably get another $5-10-million in Tier 3 distribution).

I guess that the thought is, with the ACC locked into its recent deal (that includes all 3 tiers), there is no way it can compete with those types of numbers and ESPN has little incentive to throw much more money to the ACC when it has it locked up (and the recent additions of Pitt and Syracuse don't add enough to the pot to jump 14 teams' revenues up into the range).

If those two jump, it could be serious armageddon, as you could see the Big Ten try to get some of the more academically prestigious state schools (Maryland, UVA, UNC) or possibly Georgia Tech or Duke and then see the SEC take a swing at getting into North Carolina (UNC or NC State) and Virginia (VPI).

Anyway, not sure if this is a Big 12 wet dream-type of thing or not, but I've been hearing for awhile that Clemson and Florida State are considering and seeing it from more and more sites lately.

They've talked about it quite a bit on the radio here in KC. Most believe it's just the Big 12 people throwing a hail-mary.

I would be shocked to see Clemson and Florida State make that move. I think they would've jumped to the SEC, but would doubt the Big 12 very seriously. And I don't think the fan bases of either would like the move very much.

Yeah, I just don't see it. They're the most likely candidates for when the SEC looks to expand so why go to the Big XII

SI

The ACC contract is *so* bad by comparison to other BCS leagues that there's at least a chunk of FSU fans that believe they should at least listen if the Big XII calls, especially since the SEC at least talks a) about not being interested in expansion for another generation while they "absorb" their new teams and b) continue to act that they only want new markets, eliminating them from consideration.

The main issue is if the SEC deal jumps into that $25-30 million range between it expiring in the middle of the decade and the current renegotiation, FSU, Clemson and GT are all basically giving up over $100 million during the life of the ACC deal to their in-state rivals. Outside of perhaps Pitt and Penn State, the rest of the ACC doesn't have an issue like that and don't really seem to care.

Even some that don't really want to go wouldn't mind at least having discussions, since the idea of the Big XII sticking roots down in Florida in response to the SEC's "coup" of entering the Texas market with A&M would probably force the SEC to consider an invite to keep the Big XII out of the southeast.

I'd hate that idea, but that's mainly because if we're going to move, I'd rather see us in the SEC because I live in Lexington.

Yeah, FSU to the Big 12 makes little sense to me.

The ACC contract is *so* bad by comparison to other BCS leagues that there's at least a chunk of FSU fans that believe they should at least listen if the Big XII calls, especially since the SEC at least talks a) about not being interested in expansion for another generation while they "absorb" their new teams and b) continue to act that they only want new markets, eliminating them from consideration.

The main issue is if the SEC deal jumps into that $25-30 million range between it expiring in the middle of the decade and the current renegotiation, FSU, Clemson and GT are all basically giving up over $100 million during the life of the ACC deal to their in-state rivals. Outside of perhaps Pitt and Penn State, the rest of the ACC doesn't have an issue like that and don't really seem to care.

Even some that don't really want to go wouldn't mind at least having discussions, since the idea of the Big XII sticking roots down in Florida in response to the SEC's "coup" of entering the Texas market with A&M would probably force the SEC to consider an invite to keep the Big XII out of the southeast.

I think this is the only part that makes any sense and makes me think there could be something to it. The ACC was unfortunate in that it was the first conference to resign their TV deal and they gave up all three tiers for about $13-million (per team/per year) through 2024, just before the PAC-12 rewrote the market. The additions of Syracuse and Pitt will reportedly jump them up to around $15-million (which seems pretty generous, that those two schools would produce enough revenue to pay for themselves and bump 12 others schools up another $2-million).

Outside of adding Notre Dame, it is hard to see what else they can do to improve their situation. And, realistically, if Notre Dame is worth enough to bump 14 or 15 other schools up, they won't need the ACC to negotiate a deal that earns them more TV money.

Florida State and Clemson will have trouble keeping up with their SEC counterparts if they are earning $10-million+ less than Florida and South Carolina, so that is the only way I can see that they could be interested.

The ironic thing is that the situation could become similar to what happened with the ACC, Big East, and ESPN with Pitt and Syracuse. The Big East wanted a ton of money for their TV contract (reportedly were looking to get into the same range as the ACC teams ~ $13-million per team), but ESPN preferred to just take the two most valuable properties and pay them along with the ACC (rather than pay the other, less valuable Big East teams more).

It will be interesting to see what happens, but as a WVU fan on a Big 12 island, I would love to get a few more Eastern teams into the conference. Getting Florida State and Clemson would probably be enough to pull someone like Maryland (who are reportedly hemorrhaging money) and/or Pitt to come along, if 14-team conferences become more common.

EDIT: I had originally put that the ACC would be making "$1-million dollars!" :)

I'd hate that idea, but that's mainly because if we're going to move, I'd rather see us in the SEC because I live in Lexington.

I think that Clemson and FSU obviously make much more sense in the SEC, but if the SEC's "gentlemen's agreement" truly exists, that means that Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville will never get in. If the next best option for those two is the Big 12, the SEC probably wouldn't object to seeing the ACC weakened to the point that it could get saturation in North Carolina and Virginia (which are really the only other markets that you would think they would be interested in). Similarly, the Big Ten could continue its footprint South of Pennsylvania into Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina (I'm guessing UNC would prefer the Big Ten to the SEC).

The sooner we get to four 16-team mega conferences and manage to go more than 2 weeks without expansion rumors abounding the better.

Isn't the final landscape eventually going to be

PAC 16
BIG 10
SEC
[Big 12-ACC-Big East Hybrid]

Taking 15 years to get there seems unduly laborious.

The sooner we get to four 16-team mega conferences and manage to go more than 2 weeks without expansion rumors abounding the better.

Isn't the final landscape eventually going to be

PAC 16
BIG 10
SEC
[Big 12-ACC-Big East Hybrid]

Taking 15 years to get there seems unduly laborious.

Hear, hear.

I think that Clemson and FSU obviously make much more sense in the SEC, but if the SEC's "gentlemen's agreement" truly exists, that means that Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville will never get in. If the next best option for those two is the Big 12, the SEC probably wouldn't object to seeing the ACC weakened to the point that it could get saturation in North Carolina and Virginia (which are really the only other markets that you would think they would be interested in). Similarly, the Big Ten could continue its footprint South of Pennsylvania into Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina (I'm guessing UNC would prefer the Big Ten to the SEC).

All that is true, but... what does it do for me? :D

What gets FSU and Clemson to listen to the Big 12 is how much a TV contract with those 2 in fold would be. A Clemson + FSU to the Big 12 would likely put the Big 12 TV contract in the same ballpark as the next SEC deal. FSU and Clemson in the SEC doesn't add any new markets while those two schools add new markets to the Big 12 and pushes the Big 12 into a new region. The SEC would obviously get a bigger TV deal with those two, but it wouldn't have anywhere near the impact it would have on the Big 12. I'm sure both would rather be in the SEC, but the Big 12 does have a strong pitch.

I can tell you that our guys have said FSU has listened to the Big 12 and Clemson doesn't seem all that interested, but would likely do what FSU does because they realize the ACC's money isn't going to compete with the SEC or the Big 12 if Clemson/FSU join. That's what I've heard from our end, at least. There seems to be a lot of people that believe the ACC is the Big East circa-2004 during the next major round of expansion.

Why FSU and Clemson, and not Miami and VT?

The sooner we get to four 16-team mega conferences and manage to go more than 2 weeks without expansion rumors abounding the better.

Isn't the final landscape eventually going to be

PAC 16
BIG 10
SEC
[Big 12-ACC-Big East Hybrid]

Taking 15 years to get there seems unduly laborious.

But you have to keep in mind: there are so many agents acting in each case for their own best interest or else this already would be done.

SI

Why FSU and Clemson, and not Miami and VT?

Florida State is still considered a "King" program in college football. Miami's close, but they've got restrictions they can't get past currently (don't own their own stadium, average about 35k per home game that doesn't involve FSU) and have a massive NCAA scandal waiting on deck.

Virginia Tech creates political issues in the state of Virginia. VT was also very outspoken in how not-interested they were in the SEC or moving anywhere in general. They also don't have the direct issue of a SEC in-state rival making 8 digits more a year then them.

Obviously, there's no guarantee any of this will happen. It does sound like the Big XII is trying to go for a home run rather than just jump back to 12 with Louisville and BYU like people were thinking earlier.

Florida State and Clemson are also much stronger in the "Olympic Sports" which is at least superficially important to certain members of the Big XII. Virginia Tech is also a travel nightmare.

Why FSU and Clemson, and not Miami and VT?


Florida State is still considered a "King" program in college football. Miami's close, but they've got restrictions they can't get past currently (don't own their own stadium, average about 35k per home game that doesn't involve FSU) and have a massive NCAA scandal waiting on deck.

Virginia Tech creates political issues in the state of Virginia. VT was also very outspoken in how not-interested they were in the SEC or moving anywhere in general. They also don't have the direct issue of a SEC in-state rival making 8 digits more a year then them.

Obviously, there's no guarantee any of this will happen. It does sound like the Big XII is trying to go for a home run rather than just jump back to 12 with Louisville and BYU like people were thinking earlier.

Bronconick covers it although I don't think Miami will ever be considered a king football program again for any extended period of time. The landscape of college football has changed and Miami just doesn't have the money, facilities, fan support, or the donor support of the schools that would be considered the "kings" of college football.

Combine those things with the baggage they come with and they aren't anywhere near as attractive as a program as they were just a few years ago. Unless the ACC completely implodes they're probably going to be there for a long time.

All sorts of movement in the non-power conferences, and it appears that the WAC is all but finished. First up, UT-San Antonio, and newcomer to Division 1, is skipping a move to the WAC and going to Conference USA. They played as an independent last season. Louisiana Tech is also leaving the WAC to join Conference USA. Utah State and San Jose State are slated to leave for the Mountain West. Another WAC newcomer, Texas State, is headed for the Sun Belt. That will leave only Idaho and New Mexico State in the WAC.

UTSA set to join C-USA - San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/UTSA-will-join-C-USA-3517871.php)

Once-proud (and large) WAC on its death bed, and that's a shame - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/18912164/onceproud-and-large-wac-on-its-death-bed-and-thats-a-shame)

It might even make sense for Idaho to move down to FCS status...

yea, sucks to be New Mexico St.

Boise St. will also probably have to find a new non-football conference. And they've already burned their bridges with the MWC who has said they wouldn't take BSU back.

Boise St. will also probably have to find a new non-football conference. And they've already burned their bridges with the MWC who has said they wouldn't take BSU back.

Big Sky would take them back. Or they could go to the Big West.

Boise St. will also probably have to find a new non-football conference. And they've already burned their bridges with the MWC who has said they wouldn't take BSU back.

Hawaii needs to relocate its non football sports quickly to the MWC

Edit: forgot Big West, i am dumb.

So, in their BCS meetings last week, they eliminated the idea of semifinals at home stadiums, with Hancock spouting some nonsense about how "some schools couldn't support the influx of people and media to their city." Apparently, the fact these schools do it 6-8 times already doesn't register.

No one had issues with Tuscaloosa for the "Game of the Century" this year, and that was 6 months after half the town was leveled by a tornado.

So, in their BCS meetings last week, they eliminated the idea of semifinals at home stadiums, with Hancock spouting some nonsense about how "some schools couldn't support the influx of people and media to their city." Apparently, the fact these schools do it 6-8 times already doesn't register.

No one had issues with Tuscaloosa for the "Game of the Century" this year, and that was 6 months after half the town was leveled by a tornado.

It's only a matter of time. They'll expand to 8 teams relatively quickly and, at a minimum, those four quarterfinal games will happen on campus.

It's only a matter of time. They'll expand to 8 teams relatively quickly and, at a minimum, those four quarterfinal games will happen on campus.

I don't think they will change it to 8 teams anytime soon. For one thing, I think a 8 team playoff has been shot down and they are working on just a 4 team version. Secondly, they figure by just using the playoff system will quiet the playoff wanting gang for a nice period of time. I think finding more than 4 teams to be playoff worthy is asking a lot. Last year it would have been 'Bama, LSU, OSU, and Oregon.

I'll be perfectly content with a 4-team playoff. Of course, once the details come out I'm sure they'll find some way to screw it up. Like the discussion about limiting the 4 to only conference champions - I think that's gone away, but something equally assinine will take its place for us to bitch about.

I don't think they will change it to 8 teams anytime soon. For one thing, I think a 8 team playoff has been shot down and they are working on just a 4 team version. Secondly, they figure by just using the playoff system will quiet the playoff wanting gang for a nice period of time. I think finding more than 4 teams to be playoff worthy is asking a lot. Last year it would have been 'Bama, LSU, OSU, and Oregon.

Of course it's been shot down for now. But when you see some of these smaller conference teams go undefeated and they still aren't considered for the top four, there's going to be some belly-aching. 8 teams allows enough room for a small conference team or two to get in. 4 is a good step, but it's only a first step and certainly won't be the last.

Welp, the CAA looks like it could be in trouble.

We had the official announcement several weeks back that Georgia State is headed to the Sun Belt in 2013.

Then we've had off and on strong rumors that GMU and VCU are headed to the Atlantic-10. This only impacts basketball, but a HUGE impact to basketball.

Now, rumors are that part of the CUSA filling back up is that they will be taking ODU with them. ODU had their first official season in FCS last year, so it seems not 100% clear on what exactly happens with the football team.

Link:

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18923863)


Latest appears to be saying that ODU could compete in the CUSA for football in 2013, idano the specifics on it still though.

Anything larger than 4 teams may take some time, as the NCAA has publicly said that they don't view a +1 or 4 team setup as a "playoff", but anything larger would be considered one, and they'd want direct control of it, like every other sport.

Obviously, that's never going to happen, so the Big 5/6 conferences would have to threaten to separate to get the NCAA to back off first.

Of course it's been shot down for now. But when you see some of these smaller conference teams go undefeated and they still aren't considered for the top four, there's going to be some belly-aching. 8 teams allows enough room for a small conference team or two to get in. 4 is a good step, but it's only a first step and certainly won't be the last.

If not for a late missed FG, BSU would have been in the top 4.

With my FSU to the Big 12 conspiracy hat on, this raised an eyebrow:http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20120502/FSU03/120502024/FSU-athletics-faces-2-4-million-shortfall-budget?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7Cfrontpage&nclick_check=1

Legit or justifying a move for financial purposes? I'm still hearing a lot of Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 noise.

With my FSU to the Big 12 conspiracy hat on, this raised an eyebrow:http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20120502/FSU03/120502024/FSU-athletics-faces-2-4-million-shortfall-budget?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7Cfrontpage&nclick_check=1

Legit or justifying a move for financial purposes? I'm still hearing a lot of Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 noise.

If the SEC isn't interested in adding redundant markets then it makes a ton of sense for FSU and Clemson. The Big 12 TV deal with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, +4th team would dwarf anything the ACC could get.

There's definitely a lot of smoke out there. I believe Swaim went as far as saying it's likely yesterday. We should know something within the next couple of months.

I'm reading on rivals-mo message board that some ACC schools tired of NC/Duke BB. Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami eyeing Big 12.

I posted this Jan. 24th. This is old news to me.

:D

Let's avoid considering Greg Swaim as any kind of legit source.

If the SEC isn't interested in adding redundant markets then it makes a ton of sense for FSU and Clemson. The Big 12 TV deal with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, +4th team would dwarf anything the ACC could get.

There's definitely a lot of smoke out there. I believe Swaim went as far as saying it's likely yesterday. We should know something within the next couple of months.

The latest rumor I saw was that ESPN was willing to go up to $18M per team if all of the ACC teams would sign a grant of rights for the life of the deal. Apparently, Swofford wants more like $21M.

I know the market has changed, but it seems pretty hard to believe that simply adding Syracuse and Pitt would add $4-7M per team (for 14 teams), per year to the ACC's deal. At some point, you have to figure ESPN will give them the Big East treatment and nudge the other conferences to take the more valuable football properties.

Likely new B12 commish offered:Sources -- Stanford Cardinal AD Bob Bowlsby offered Big 12 Conference commissioner's job - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7884515/stanford-athletic-director-bob-bowlsby-offered-big-12-conference-commissioner-job)

Hearing the Big 12's new TV deal will come in just below $21M per team for tier 1 and 2 rights.

Texas wants 12 teams, while other schools want 14. Adding 2 schools and a championship will bump the number up about $2M per team. A marquee team (like FSU) would make the number slightly bigger.

The latest rumor I saw was that ESPN was willing to go up to $18M per team if all of the ACC teams would sign a grant of rights for the life of the deal. Apparently, Swofford wants more like $21M.

I know the market has changed, but it seems pretty hard to believe that simply adding Syracuse and Pitt would add $4-7M per team (for 14 teams), per year to the ACC's deal. At some point, you have to figure ESPN will give them the Big East treatment and nudge the other conferences to take the more valuable football properties.

Considering that Sports Business Journal was saying $1-2 million per school last fall (moving it to like 14-15 million) your rumors would add smoke to the fire that FSU/Clemson are shopping around quietly. All things being equal, ESPN wants to keep the ACC intact, since they have the longest contract and full control over all ACC rights unlike every other conference.

Considering that Sports Business Journal was saying $1-2 million per school last fall (moving it to like 14-15 million) your rumors would add smoke to the fire that FSU/Clemson are shopping around quietly. All things being equal, ESPN wants to keep the ACC intact, since they have the longest contract and full control over all ACC rights unlike every other conference.

I think there's still probably less than a 50% of the FSU/Clemson move, but if it happens and the Big East continues to be intent on leaving for NBC, I could see ESPN wanting to pull the remaining valuable properties from the Big East.

I'm thinking that would be UConn and Louisville (two top 10 or 15 basketball programs) and maybe Rutgers and maybe Temple and Cincinnati. That would pretty much undercuts whatever remains of the Big East + NBC as a viable TV opponent for ESPN.

FWIW, if FSU/Clemson fall apart, Louisville and one of Cincy or Rutgers are probably the next best option fort he B12.

No "Butler to the Atlantic 10" discussion? Screw you guys, I'm going home.

If not for a late missed FG, BSU would have been in the top 4.

TCU's finished in the top 4 at least once.

It can happen, you just need an undefeated season, a stronger than usual non-bcs conference, wins over 2 conference teams and 2 non-conference teams that were ranked at least a good chunk of the season, and at least 5 wins over "OK" teams, and no other undefeated teams in the country. It won't happen every year, but that can definitely happen.

No "Butler to the Atlantic 10" discussion? Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Love all that's happening right below the BCS conferences. Poor Idaho and NMSU.

There's a big consensus with the Idaho Vandal fans that I know for a preference to drop to 1-AA. They were winning conference championships there, competing in the tournament, having exciting games. A lot of the fun has been taking out of the program. And Boise St refuses to play them anymore.

No "Butler to the Atlantic 10" discussion? Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Love the move. Think it's great for them and a real reward for their continual rise. Nice that they can pair up with some of their old rivals in SLU and Xavier too.

TCU's finished in the top 4 at least once.

It can happen, you just need an undefeated season, a stronger than usual non-bcs conference, wins over 2 conference teams and 2 non-conference teams that were ranked at least a good chunk of the season, and at least 5 wins over "OK" teams, and no other undefeated teams in the country. It won't happen every year, but that can definitely happen.

ESPN, or maybe SI pointed out some of the teams that missed out who were ranked #3 and #4. Obviously the smaller conferences need to go undefeated, but top 4 is within reach for those teams.

Clemson based article on the BCS changes/Big XII rumors

How does the death of the BCS affect Clemson? - Shakin The Southland (http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2012/5/2/2995047/how-does-the-death-of-the-bcs-affect-clemson)

Tomahawk Nation (FSU's SB site) will be doing a similar story Monday.

I sure wouldn't argue against football teams wanting to leave the ACC.

I sure wouldn't argue against football teams wanting to leave the ACC.

me neither! Good riddance.

Seems like a very underwhelming deal that the ACC got today from ESPN.

Seems like a very underwhelming deal that the ACC got today from ESPN.

Oh come on, it was a genius move to tie up all their rights with ESPN for an extra 5 years with no concessions. Pure genius. :popcorn:

$3.6bn over 15 years / 14 teams -> ~$17.25M/team/year. I don't know how that compares.

$3.6bn over 15 years / 14 teams -> ~$17.25M/team/year. I don't know how that compares.

The Big 12 is getting $20 million per team without giving up its tier 3 rights. I believe the PAC12 is around $19 million. The ACC got less money and rolled its tier 3 rights into the deal.

The Big 12 is getting $20 million per team without giving up its tier 3 rights. I believe the PAC12 is around $19 million. The ACC got less money and rolled its tier 3 rights into the deal.

Within the big six conferences, ACC ranks on the lower side so it fits.

Love all that's happening right below the BCS conferences. Poor Idaho and NMSU.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/252809/WAC.jpg

So Chip Brown is fanning the flames of FSU/Clemson to the BigXII, but I just don't see it. The good news is I guess we'll know by early August, since August 15th is the deadline for ACC teams to announce they are withdrawing from the league.

Seems like a very underwhelming deal that the ACC got today from ESPN.

Yeah, this may be a situation where the new deal could lead to more tension about teams leaving the conference rather than less. If you're going to make a deal to convince your members that you're the best option, you better demonstrate that you're a big player.

$3.6bn over 15 years / 14 teams -> ~$17.25M/team/year. I don't know how that compares.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/05/09/did-acc-teams-get-ripped-off-with-new-espn-tv-contract/

So Chip Brown is fanning the flames of FSU/Clemson to the BigXII, but I just don't see it. The good news is I guess we'll know by early August, since August 15th is the deadline for ACC teams to announce they are withdrawing from the league.

He also had Mizzou being forced to stay in the B12 and Notre Dame joining the B12 for the 2012/13 season. If he's good at anything, it's fanning the flames.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/252809/WAC.jpg

Brilliant

SI

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/38499/college-tv-rights-deals-undergo-makeovers#more

Analysis of the current TV deals by Kristi Dosh (who first made her name with the Business of College Sports webpage). Of note, she's not including third-tier money, probably because other than the B1G Network, it's still speculative.

Obviously the big thing that stands out is the SEC sitting behind everyone else. One would expect that they'll be looking to revise their current deals soon to tap into the new TV money prosperity. I would imagine that adding the two new teams provides them the means to renegotiate, assuming they were smart enough to put such a provision into their contracts.

Obviously the big thing that stands out is the SEC sitting behind everyone else. One would expect that they'll be looking to revise their current deals soon to tap into the new TV money prosperity. I would imagine that adding the two new teams provides them the means to renegotiate, assuming they were smart enough to put such a provision into their contracts.

SEC renegotiation has been underway for nearly two months per Slive. Slive has been pretty coy about the process, but often jokes that he hears that the other conferences 'got a good deal' when asked for specifics about the SEC deal. Most believe that they have been drawing that process out until the other conferences complete their deals.

dola

Mizzou stadium expansion was revealed at a meeting by Alden. Expansion of the stadium to 81K seats with multiple decks of luxury boxes being added to east side of stadium. North side of stadium will remain grass GA seating. Expansion total is approx. $215M and will take three years to complete. Also planned is a fundraising campaign to improve training and athletic facilities.

$215 million and 3 years to add 10,000 seats? ROFL

$215 million and 3 years to add 10,000 seats? ROFL

The best and worst experience I have ever had on a college football road trip was at a Husker game a few years ago during stadium renovation. The atmosphere and the fans were top notch but there was one way to get to the visiting section and about 15,000 fans had to enter and leave out that exit. It took at least an hour to get in and out of the stadium and I have no idea what would have happened had there been some sort of emergency. One can hope that Mizzou is doing it right.

$215 million and 3 years to add 10,000 seats? ROFL

Total seat capacity will be 81K, which is a 17K increase over the current seat capacity of 64K. The 71K that you wrongly used for your calculation includes the 7K in GA seats. If you include the 7K in GA seating, total capacity will be 88K in the renovated stadium.

Memorial Stadium will be the 6th largest stadium in the SEC and the 12th largest stadium in college football after the expansion.

SEC fans will think they are visiting a local H.S. stadium when they travel to Columbia. I hope the expansion upgrades that facility a ton. Otherwise, it is wasted money.

Total seat capacity will be 81K, which is a 17K increase over the current seat capacity of 64K. The 71K that you wrongly used for your calculation includes the 7K in GA seats. If you include the 7K in GA seating, total capacity will be 88K in the renovated stadium.

Memorial Stadium will be the 6th largest stadium in the SEC and the 12th largest stadium in college football after the expansion.

If it truly is 81K, it would ranked as 17th largest

If it truly is 81K, it would ranked as 17th largest

As noted, with 7K of GA seating, capacity at the renovated MU stadium would be 88K which is 12th in the nation.

The fact that seven of the top 13 stadiums in the nation would be in the SEC after the MU expansion is pretty impressive. Some big ass stadiums in that conference and most of those stadiums are usually full.

SEC fans will think they are visiting a local H.S. stadium when they travel to Columbia. I hope the expansion upgrades that facility a ton. Otherwise, it is wasted money.

It's a good point. There's quite a bit of money going into renovating the facilities that service the stadium. The restroom count was OK despite being relatively low because the B12 had the 'pass out' rule which allowed fans to go out to their cars at halftime to drink alcohol and many also used the portable toilets in the parking lots before returning for the second half. The SEC does not allow any 'pass out' rules, so they are going to have to double the restroom count at a minimum with all fans now staying within the stadium confines during halftime.

Interesting that for something so obviously newsworthy, there is nothing out there on this.

Interesting that for something so obviously newsworthy, there is nothing out there on this.

Was announced by Alden at St. Louis Mizzou Town Hall meeting tonight.

The Big 12 commissioner, errrrrr.....the president of UT speaks on the ACC teams to B12 rumors.......

DeLoss Dodds on Big 12 expansion rumors: "I don't think the Florida State-Clemson thing has any basis at all."—

Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) May 11, 2012