I would have thought a better League joke for the Big XII (IX?) right now would be the League of Nations

SI

Nah. League of Women Voters.

One of my friends called it the Bovine Nine.

I think Missouri has an Ivy League invite too, but the rumor is that it's contingent on Oxford starting a football program (my sources say that Cambridge and Wellesley already declined the invite)

Has one school ever had invitations to join every single conference at the same time? Inconceivable!

No -- close though. Oddly enough, according to my sources, the only conference not to invite them was the MVC.

I get the feeling that the ACC wants to take UConn right NOW, but that would force them to add another team to balance it out, and no one is really high on Rutgers - which is the only other team in the Big East the ACC would even consider.



Interestingly enough, I read a story written by a Baltimore Sun reporter who says that the ACC isn't as high on UConn as the UConn PR machine is making it sound.

Interestingly enough, I read a story written by a Baltimore Sun reporter who says that the ACC isn't as high on UConn as the UConn PR machine is making it sound.

While UConn adds basketball cred, it's not like the ACC is hurting in that regard. A school with a better football rep would likely benefit them more.

Has one school ever had invitations to join every single conference at the same time? Inconceivable!

See, you know what this keeps reminding me of?

If you've read the Song of Ice and Fire, think about the backstory for Brienne of Tarth.

Does that sound familiar at all?

I'm as big a fan of Mizzou athletics as any of the others here (although probably more understated in that love than some), but that's exactly the vibe this thread gives me.

See, you know what this keeps reminding me of?

If you've read the Song of Ice and Fire, think about the backstory for Brienne of Tarth.I was thinking you were gonna compare MBBF to George R.R. Martin. "Next book's coming out soon, I swear... just need to untie the Meereen knot... one more chapter to go... everything's finalized, I can't give the release date yet, but it's definitely happening."

Interestingly enough, I read a story written by a Baltimore Sun reporter who says that the ACC isn't as high on UConn as the UConn PR machine is making it sound.

what?? No way that could be true. There's no way a college PR machine would do that. Next you're going to tell me a school would start rumors about several other conferences being interested in it at one time.

I heard Missouri has an offer, but they also have an offer from the Federation of Planets. They hold all the cards.

They need more space cash.

Man I cant believe no one is talking about ANYthing on this subject :)

Man I cant believe no one is talking about ANYthing on this subject :)


Well, the Texas A&M move was made official today by the SEC.

Man I cant believe no one is talking about ANYthing on this subject :)


All the guys owning Rivals sites have about gotten all the use out of this possible for now and are going to start spooling up their vague commentary about recruits again instead.

Im afraid this thread is going to die. :(

Im afraid this thread is going to die. :(

Not as long as there's a Tiger left in Missouri ;)

I'll believe it if/when it happens, but here's a new tweet making the rounds from an ESPN radio affiliate in South Jersey:

Im hearing #WVU will leave Big East, for SEC expect announcement by weekend

Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/973espn)

SEC: No plans to add 14th team when A&M joins - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15649798/sec-no-plans-to-add-14th-team-when-am-joins?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

You can't keep making statements like this and then turn around and add a school that's been widely rumored for weeks. I mean, you can, but then you look pretty stupid.

Then again, this is the conference employing Bobby Petrino and Nick Saban, so...

Well, who's more likely to look stupid? The SEC or WVU?

More gubernatorial shenanigans in the ACC:

Connecticut governor says UConn's future lies with the ACC (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-uconn-acc)

SEC: No plans to add 14th team when A&M joins - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15649798/sec-no-plans-to-add-14th-team-when-am-joins?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

You can't keep making statements like this and then turn around and add a school that's been widely rumored for weeks. I mean, you can, but then you look pretty stupid.

Then again, this is the conference employing Bobby Petrino and Nick Saban, so...

Eh... Not saying the WVU rumor has any validity to it, but didn't the SEC deny the A&M stuff right up until it was official? Didn't the ACC say they had no interest in expansion right up until Pitt and Syracuse were accepted? To me it's no different than all of the coaches that have "no interest" in leaving X school (and/or the Dolphins in Nick Saban's case) and leave 2 weeks later.

I don't know... the length of time this has been going on, coupled with the fact that all of these issues have basically been resolved across the country, make it feel a little different at this point. It'd be one thing if there was chaos still going on, but things seem to be settling down, so you either grab one of the two or three easily accessible teams who can move right now, or you sit on your hands until someone makes the next move.

I just think if it's going to be Mizzou or WVU, making a statement like this is ridiculous, since everyone knows they want in and are available. Nothing will have changed between now and then. Now, if they're looking at ND or FSU or VT, etc., then I can understand a "circumstances have changed" alibi. Otherwise, shit or get off the pot, as my dad says.

Hows this for the rumor mill...if it matters..

BYU has an official offer from the Big XII.....they are hashing over the details right now.

Sticking points...Sunday Play (rumor is it has been met)

BYUtv rebroadcast rights (falls under third tier and should be ok)

Not pissing of the WCC (Commissioner of WCC knew this might happen and stated as much and their would be no blocking on their end)

The rumor mill also states one thing that is helpful for all schools involved is bringing in the existing BYU deal with ESPN and spreading that wealth to the conference members which is currently being negotiated as well.

Now I won't jump up and down and cheer...or anything else...I want this to happen just for the trek to the cartman house and Salt Lick BBQ when we play in Austin..

Hows this for the rumor mill...if it matters..

BYU has an official offer from the Big XII.....they are hashing over the details right now.

Sticking points...Sunday Play (rumor is it has been met)

BYUtv rebroadcast rights (falls under third tier and should be ok)

Not pissing of the WCC (Commissioner of WCC knew this might happen and stated as much and their would be no blocking on their end)

The rumor mill also states one thing that is helpful for all schools involved is bringing in the existing BYU deal with ESPN and spreading that wealth to the conference members which is currently being negotiated as well.

Now I won't jump up and down and cheer...or anything else...I want this to happen just for the trek to the cartman house and Salt Lick BBQ when we play in Austin..

I never understood why Sunday play was an issue; my guess is that's the other sports, right? Not so much the football program as the other sports which could, conceivably, get scheduled on a Sunday.

Does Texas het a bigger chunk of the BYU/ESPN money then everyone else. They saved the BigXII, you know.

The contract proceeds are being diverted to Missouri to keep them from leaving, of course.

I never understood why Sunday play was an issue; my guess is that's the other sports, right? Not so much the football program as the other sports which could, conceivably, get scheduled on a Sunday.

I know basketball is a big deal, probably a lot of the smaller sports also. (Weekend baseball series, gymnastics meets...)

I never understood why Sunday play was an issue; my guess is that's the other sports, right? Not so much the football program as the other sports which could, conceivably, get scheduled on a Sunday.

Yes, most of the other sports have sunday games as well as championships. There was a big to do about their Women's Rugby Team walking away from either the Championship game or Semi-Final game because it was on a Sunday...and being fine with their decision.

Jon Wilner tweets:

B12 bracing for Mizzou to leave, considering a plan to add 4 schools: BYU, Boise, WVU and Ville. Many steps btwn here and there, of course

Tough to link on the phone but sportspickle.com has a copy of he SEC and Big East conference applications that's worth a look.

Applications for Big 12 Membership and Big East Membership - SportsPickle Opinion (http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/8106/applications-for-big-12-membership-and-big-east-membership)

Jon Wilner tweets:

I dunno. I think +BYU and +BSU would be a net gain for the Big 12 over TAMU and Mizzou, if they can pull it off.

I'd still prefer to see Mizzou and Kansas remain in the same conference if the Big Ten isn't a viable alternative, though.

I don't really like the moves, but it would replace zero BCS wins in the last decade with 5 BCS wins. Only two appearances by the four departures in that time period.

I dunno. I think +BYU and +BSU would be a net gain for the Big 12 over TAMU and Mizzou, if they can pull it off.
Personally I don't think so, and there's no bigger booster for Boise than me. A big reason: outside football, Boise is awful. They will get pounded in most sports. Any basketball win would be a huge upset.

They will get pounded in most sports. Any basketball win would be a huge upset.

After a 22-13 season last year? 2 CBI appearances in the last 3 years (yeah, I know it's weak but still better than nothing at all).

I wouldn't think they're what you'd call real good exactly but I'd think they'd win 2-4 games a year just based on the travel hangover the opponents could have alone.

Am I missing something here?

Yeah, they're still an above average D1 program. Better than Texas Tech and Oklahoma. I don't see why they couldn't have competed with Iowa State, OK State, and Baylor last year. Won't finish near the top or anything, but won't be embarrasing themselves either.

And BYU would have been the 3rd best team in that conference last year.

I might just having a curmudgeon moment here, but I hope that if Boise joins a BCS conference they make them get rid of that god-damn awful gimmicky blue turf.

It was cool for a while, and it got you noticed, but trying to watch players in blue run around on the same shade of blue turf for a whole game gets old real quick. And god help me if Eastern Washington ever plays a team I'm interested in because I think I'm going to have a seizure.

Bah, grumble, humbug.

Yeah, they're still an above average D1 program. Better than Texas Tech and Oklahoma. I don't see why they couldn't have competed with Iowa State, OK State, and Baylor last year. Won't finish near the top or anything, but won't be embarrasing themselves either.

And BYU would have been the 3rd best team in that conference last year.

I take it you are judging based only last year's stats? OU was in the elite eight 2-3 years ago and routinely makes the tournament. The 1988 team blows away Boise's entire history.

@GabeDeArmond: For those into stalking flights, a plane went from Columbia to Birmingham (SEC HQ), stayed for 4 1/2 hrs, and returned yesterday.

Having lived in Columbia, I cam tell you there is no other reason anyone would fly out of the Columbia airport to Birmingham. I will guarantee the last flight from Columbia to Birmingham was to bring Mike Anderson to Como.

Can't they also track who the plane is owned by?

TMQ had an interesting point about corporations pushing to make their flight plans private to prevent shareholders from finding out how these private jets justified for "security" reasons are really being used (vacations, etc). Wonder if conference presidents have also joined that bandwagon.

@GabeDeArmond: For those into stalking flights, a plane went from Columbia to Birmingham (SEC HQ), stayed for 4 1/2 hrs, and returned yesterday.

Having lived in Columbia, I cam tell you there is no other reason anyone would fly out of the Columbia airport to Birmingham. I will guarantee the last flight from Columbia to Birmingham was to bring Mike Anderson to Como.

Followed by...

<S>@</S>sptwri (http://twitter.com/#!/sptwri): Sources tell The KC Star Mizzou Board of Curators looking to probable Tuesday meeting

SYRACUSE, NY—In a hastily delivered statement from the passenger side of the young woman’s lime-green Hyundai Tiburon, Syracuse University announced Sunday it was leaving the Big East, the conference it helped create more than 30 years ago, for a 23-year-old exotic dancer and vodka brand ambassador named “Misti.” “We’ve had a nice run with the Big East, but we think Misti has more to offer us,” said Syracuse athletic director Daryl Gross, crediting the woman for bringing a “renewed sense of purpose” to the 141-year-old research institution. “We have had some good times—great times, actually, really great—with the Big East, and we hope we can continue to maintain a friendly relationship, but we think it’s time for us to pursue other options.” Gross quickly added that the young woman is “really smart” and wants to go to school to become a dental hygienist, which is perfect, because they are a school.http://o.onionstatic.com/img/icons/terminator.gif

TMQ had an interesting point about corporations pushing to make their flight plans private to prevent shareholders from finding out how these private jets justified for "security" reasons are really being used (vacations, etc). Wonder if conference presidents have also joined that bandwagon.If those assholes want their fancy jets to be subsidized via tax cuts, fuck their privacy.

I might just having a curmudgeon moment here, but I hope that if Boise joins a BCS conference they make them get rid of that god-damn awful gimmicky blue turf.

It was cool for a while, and it got you noticed, but trying to watch players in blue run around on the same shade of blue turf for a whole game gets old real quick. And god help me if Eastern Washington ever plays a team I'm interested in because I think I'm going to have a seizure.

Bah, grumble, humbug.

Yeah, they're gonna do that because it hasn't worked for them. ;)

MBBF, where art thou? I miss your three updates per day in this thread.

[MBBF, where art thou? I miss your three updates per day in this thread.

Disney, until tomorrow night.

Fwiw Mizzou should start the process of leaving on Tuesday as mentioned. And the post about Boise St. being an upgrade was awesome for all the wrong reasons.

It takes a lot for me to say this, but I feel sorry for the beakers that they're stuck in the B12 for now. Not even they deserve that punishment.

Chuck Neinas confident Missouri Tigers will stay in Big 12 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7032707/chuck-neinas-confident-missouri-tigers-stay-big-12)

So here's the rumor of the day:

Report: BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia to join Big 12

BearcatLair.com reports “there are still a lot of details to be worked out as it relates to divisional breakouts, when new league would start play, etc.,” but the Big 12 appears to be moving toward 14 teams. The report says BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati and West Virginia would join current Big 12 members.

Report: BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia to join Big 12 « Football Rumor Mill (http://www.footballrumormill.com/2011/09/29/report-byu-louisville-cincinnati-west-virginia-to-join-big-12/)

Sounds like the BYU part of that equation is close to happening (or has happened).

Makes sense for BYU. They are never going to get into the Pac XX, so this is really their only shot to ever get into a BCS conference. If it doesn't work out, they can always go back to the independent route.

i'm all for it since it means the complete destruction of the Big East (at least for football)but i doubt that

And now Tennessee's AD is saying that the SEC will expand beyond 13 and the discussions among SEC presidents and ADs will begin "in short order".

Tennessee AD Dave Hart says SEC will continue to expand beyond 13 teams - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7036110/tennessee-ad-dave-hart-says-sec-continue-expand-13-teams)

did anyone really think the SEC was stopping at 13?

Chuck Neinas confident Missouri Tigers will stay in Big 12 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7032707/chuck-neinas-confident-missouri-tigers-stay-big-12)

Good to see Dodds found a new commissioner that plays PR puppet as well as the last one.

So here's the rumor of the day:

Report: BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia to join Big 12 « Football Rumor Mill (http://www.footballrumormill.com/2011/09/29/report-byu-louisville-cincinnati-west-virginia-to-join-big-12/)

This isn't even remotely close to happening yet. This is being leaked to try to get Mizzou to hold off on their move. It's not likely to help in that regard. Not only that, but there's a very good chance that OU/OSU starts shopping around for a new home if Mizzou leaves. The academic standing of the conference goes down quite a bit if MU is gone and those schools are added. That's a big problem from OU's perspective.

Conference USA, here we come

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Razor blade meet wrists

Conference USA, here we come

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Razor blade meet wrists

Nah, I think they'll find a landing spot. I truly believe that. If the SEC goes to 14, the B1G might still throw TSUNJ a life preserver. No way they've invested all of that money in athletics -- even languishing as they are now -- specifically football, to get kicked to the curb. Maybe before the Schiano era, but not now. I have faith they'll figure it out. The B1G still seems like the best fit for RU and I maintain without any shred of concrete evidence that they're going to figure this out. Mostly because RU is a top rated academic school, a state flagship, brings something in the TV department even if the impact is debatable and it gives them the only football program in the NYC metro area (no matter what Syracuse forgot about geography)

If nothing else, I believe Jersey politicians and Wall Street dollars will converge to make this worth some conference's while. Off the radar, of course. Have a little faith.

Conference USA, here we come

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Razor blade meet wrists

Really? They're sitting in an awfully good position. They've got multiple options if a conference meltdown occurs.

dola

Discussion on motivating factor for SEC expansion: a conference network.

SEC Expansion To 14 Goal: Its Own Network : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/sec-expansion-to-14-goal-its-own-network.php)

Really? They're sitting in an awfully good position. They've got multiple options if a conference meltdown occurs.

Such as?

I thought they had a good shot at getting a spot if 16 team super conferences were the answer, but right now they need a lot of help. The Big Ten and ACC aren't doing anything until Notre Dame makes a move, the Big Ten might never make a move if ND went to the ACC. Our best hope right now is that the SEC's 14th team comes from the SEC and the ACC holds more of a grudge against UConn than us.

Such as?

I thought they had a good shot at getting a spot if 16 team super conferences were the answer, but right now they need a lot of help. The Big Ten and ACC aren't doing anything until Notre Dame makes a move, the Big Ten might never make a move if ND went to the ACC. Our best hope right now is that the SEC's 14th team comes from the SEC and the ACC holds more of a grudge against UConn than us.

We don't really know what is going to trigger further ACC or Big Ten moves, but Rutgers would be considered for both of those conferences in a 16-team option. The bidding war currently underway in the SEC renegotiation could trigger all of these conferences to reconsider a move that would cause a new TV deal in their conference.

Not directly on point, but while fans wring their hands worrying about a bunch of conference moves engineered to make a bunch of coaches, athletic directors and media companies more money, worth reflecting on the bigger picture:

The Shame of College Sports - Magazine - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/)

We don't really know what is going to trigger further ACC or Big Ten moves, but Rutgers would be considered for both of those conferences in a 16-team option. The bidding war currently underway in the SEC renegotiation could trigger all of these conferences to reconsider a move that would cause a new TV deal in their conference.

That's fine, but Rutgers needs a BCS conference now. Rutgers, UConn, USF and either CUSA East or a mix of academies and temple types isn't going to cut the mustard.

Discussion of Mizzou exit options.......

Reality: There Are No Barriers To Missouri in SEC : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/reality-there-are-no-barriers-to-missouri-in-sec.php)

Everything I Know About Missouri I Leasrned From MBBF:

Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the SEC
Missouri does not have an invitation to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the ACC
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is not going to the ACC
Missouri is going to the Big 10
Missouri is staying in the Big 12 and is fighting to save the conference
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12, but will go to the SEC eventually
Missouri has no barriers to going to the SEC, but may stay in the Big 12, depending on an invitation from the SEC

Dola - Missouri could announce tomorrow that they're they're going to the CFL, and I think we could find 2 posts in this thread - one where MBBF claimed that was going to happen and one where he said it would not happen

Fake John Marinatto twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/JohnMarinattoBE)

<--------- dead on the vine

I read the NFL is thinking of inviting Mizzou. The CFL is an option, but Mizzou is good enough to be in the NFL. But Mizzou has plenty of options. Including the AFL. But right now, we will save the BigXII. Unless we get an invote to the NFL. Which from what my sources are saying is forthcoming. Of course the CFL is a better option then Texas could ever get. Mizzou is in much better shape then Texas. The cant even get an invite to the XFL. Mizzou on the other hand can go to the NFL, CFL or AFL. Which have all invited Mizzou. But from what Im reading we will stay in the BigXII, unless we get an invite to the NFL which is a sure thing. The CFL is may not issue an invitation. But the NFL has already sent an invitation, so the Mizzou BOR will be meeting next Tuesday to discuss ousting Dodds as the AD at Texas. Because Texas has nothing on Mizzou when we are in the CFl.

Everything I Know About Missouri I Leasrned From MBBF:

Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the SEC
Missouri does not have an invitation to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the ACC
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is not going to the ACC
Missouri is going to the Big 10
Missouri is staying in the Big 12 and is fighting to save the conference
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12, but will go to the SEC eventually
Missouri has no barriers to going to the SEC, but may stay in the Big 12, depending on an invitation from the SEC

There are some more dealings with the Big Ten in there and the last I knew the SEC had no offer.

The talk of Big 12 expansion that was so hot and heavy yesterday appears to have completely cooled. There is great deal of speculation here that the rumors the last couple of days about BYU, TCU, Boise St, WVU and Louisville joining were fueled by parties trying to influence Missouri to stay in the Big 12.

The current conspiracy theory is that the Big 12 will give Missouri "The Nebraska Speech" during the Sunday presidents meeting. That will be followed by the Missouri Board of Curators meeting on Tuesday, where Mizzou will either choose to stay in the Big 12 or announce they are going shopping.

If Missouri stays, it sounds more likely that the Big 12 will pursue BYU or TCU to get to 10. If Missouri leaves, they go for both. If either or both say no, next up would be a proposed merger with the Big East football schools to get to 14 or 16.

I still don't think BYU or TCU join the Big 12 alone. If the Big 12 only expands back to 10 and even if Missouri stays, the Big 12 is still not stable. They are talking about committing TV rights for six years, but right now there is no agreement to require that and nothing the Big 12 can do to force it. Will the Big 12 kick someone out if they choose not to commit their TV rights?


FWIW ... This thread from the get-go has been based on idle speculation. MBBF has simply shared all the speculation that's out there ... and regardless of what some think, there has been more speculation about Missouri than almost any other school He's not making anything up, what he posts has almost without fail originated somewhere else. He's not baiting anyone or trolling. He's just passionate about this team. The only thing ruining this thread to me is the trolling. It's getting old.

Everything I Know About Missouri I Leasrned From MBBF:

Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the SEC
Missouri does not have an invitation to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri has an invitation to the ACC
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is not going to the ACC
Missouri is going to the Big 10
Missouri is staying in the Big 12 and is fighting to save the conference
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12
Missouri is going to the SEC
Missouri is staying in the Big 12, but will go to the SEC eventually
Missouri has no barriers to going to the SEC, but may stay in the Big 12, depending on an invitation from the SEC

You left out 15 moves and stays involving the Pac 27

FWIW ... This thread from the get-go has been based on idle speculation. MBBF has simply shared all the speculation that's out there ... and regardless of what some think, there has been more speculation about Missouri than almost any other school He's not making anything up, what he posts has almost without fail originated somewhere else. He's not baiting anyone or trolling. He's just passionate about this team. The only thing ruining this thread to me is the trolling. It's getting old.

Understood, everyone is posting speculation and rumor. But only one person is telling everyone else their speculation is wrong and his is right.

I read the NFL is thinking of inviting Mizzou. The CFL is an option, but Mizzou is good enough to be in the NFL. But Mizzou has plenty of options. Including the AFL. But right now, we will save the BigXII. Unless we get an invote to the NFL. Which from what my sources are saying is forthcoming. Of course the CFL is a better option then Texas could ever get. Mizzou is in much better shape then Texas. The cant even get an invite to the XFL. Mizzou on the other hand can go to the NFL, CFL or AFL. Which have all invited Mizzou. But from what Im reading we will stay in the BigXII, unless we get an invite to the NFL which is a sure thing. The CFL is may not issue an invitation. But the NFL has already sent an invitation, so the Mizzou BOR will be meeting next Tuesday to discuss ousting Dodds as the AD at Texas. Because Texas has nothing on Mizzou when we are in the CFl.

I heard the USFL is looking to start back up if they can land Missouri.

He's not making anything up, what he posts has almost without fail originated somewhere else. He's not baiting anyone or trolling. He's just passionate about this team. The only thing ruining this thread to me is the trolling. It's getting old.

Good to see Dodds found a new commissioner that plays PR puppet as well as the last one.

Yep, no baiting or trolling from MBBF. And that's just from this page. Over 11% of the posts in this thread are from him. He has more posts in this thread than the next 2 combined. That goes way beyond just 'passionate about his team'.

Apparently Temple's getting an all sports invite from the Big East.

BCS bowls are salivating.

Joe Schad tweet:

R. Bowen Loftin on Mizz/SEC: "I don't think it's going to happen. I think Missouri is going to be in the Big 12 for a long time to come."

Joe Schad tweet:

Haven't we learned from the A&M situation? They're now a member of the SEC. Any comment they make that Mizzou is talking with the SEC or that A&M is trying to recruit Mizzou in any way is immediately considered tampering and opens up the lawsuit avenue. He's just doing what he's supposed to do.

Understood, everyone is posting speculation and rumor. But only one person is telling everyone else their speculation is wrong and his is right.

Haven't we learned from the A&M situation? They're now a member of the SEC. Any comment they make that Mizzou is talking with the SEC or that A&M is trying to recruit Mizzou in any way is immediately considered tampering and opens up the lawsuit avenue. He's just doing what he's supposed to do.

Teehee.

Teehee.

It's pretty embarrassing how bad the media has got at this point. Joe Schad should be better than that as a reporter.

It's pretty embarrassing how bad the media has got at this point. Joe Schad should be better than that as a reporter.I think my irony meter just blew the fuck up

I think my irony meter just blew the fuck up

Always exciting when my opinion is scrutinized more than what should be an unbiased journalist who's job is to be responsible and correct when reporting information. I welcome the scrutiny, but have a similar 'blew the fuck up' moment when these media personnel continue to get a free pass on their lack of accuracy. Journalism such as what we've seen in this whole process would have been blasted to pieces in a political thread with good reason.


Back to the topic at hand. MU's Deaton confirms B12 meeting this afternoon and MU Board of Curators meeting on Tuesday.

Deaton confirms Big 12 talks today, MU curators Tuesday | Campus Corner (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2095)

dola

Tulsa paper reporting that OU/OSU were caught off-guard when Pac-XX turned them down, which runs contrary to Boren's assertions.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20111002_11_A1_CUTLIN368500&rss_lnk=439

And this just in...


Me and the boys just got together, threw some shit at the wall to see what sticks...today, its a little bit of corn, tomorrow...who knows....stay tuned!

No idea what that means.

Very good indications from Chip for those Mizzou fans that want to see a move to the SEC.

A high ranking official at a Big 12 school told Orangebloods.com Sunday that "much progress was made" during a conference call with the Big 12 presidents and chancellors Sunday at 1:30. The primary topic was Missouri and the Tigers' future in or out of the Big 12.

The source said there was optimism that Missouri would stay in the Big 12 and that interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas would be issuing a press release discussing the progress.

But nothing will be finalized as it pertains to Missouri until MU Board of Curators meet on Tuesday. The curators are deciding if the Tigers should apply for membership to the South Eastern Conference, sources have said.

It's clear where Chip's source is. The fact that there was no agreement mentioned is a clear indication that UT continues to refuse to share third tier rights. Without some sort of give on that issue, Mizzou has little interest in staying. More clear attempts by the 'source' to indicate progress where no progress was made. If MU leaves, they can play the victim card and say they did everything they could.

Very good indications from Chip for those Mizzou fans that want to see a move to the SEC.

A high ranking official at a Big 12 school told Orangebloods.com Sunday that "much progress was made" during a conference call with the Big 12 presidents and chancellors Sunday at 1:30.

The source said there was optimism that Missouri would stay in the Big 12 and that interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas would be issuing a press release discussing the progress.

Which one of these is not like the others...

The fact that there was no agreement mentioned is a clear indication that UT continues to refuse to share third tier rights. Without some sort of give on that issue, Mizzou has little interest in staying. More clear attempts by the 'source' to indicate progress where no progress was made. If MU leaves, they can play the victim card and say they did everything they could.

Let me ask an honest question...what is stopping every other school in the Big 12 from creating their own network? Honestly? If that is such a pressing issue here, why not take your money, partner up and get one going?

Dave Brown of ESPN is the one that inked the contract for BYU and ESPN, he is also they one that helped Texas with LHN...

BYU has BYUtv, which yes, has had a ton of money thrown at it and it used for things other than sports, but I don't know why this is such an issue? Texas worked towards the agreement for 3rd tier, it should be theirs...if you want your own 3rd tier money, create a network.

BYU has BYUtv, which yes, has had a ton of money thrown at it and it used for things other than sports, but I don't know why this is such an issue? Texas worked towards the agreement for 3rd tier, it should be theirs...if you want your own 3rd tier money, create a network.
Texas did work toward the agreement for third tier rights to include a school-specific network ... last year, amidst the conference turmoil, Texas put a gun to the head of the Big 12 and say give us the rights to start a school network or we are gone. The conference wanted to stay together and capitulated.

Honestly the other schools greatly underestimated how far Texas was in already creating the network. Texas beat everyone to the punch. It's a big reason why A&M left ... Texas outflanked them and made it impossible for an A&M network to fly or make the same money as the Longhorn Network.

Texas negotiated for the right to make more money off their third tier rights ... and now some other schools are negotiating to limit that. It's the same negotiation that took place last summer, it's just now that the rest of the Big 12 schools are more organized and have more leverage than they did a year ago. If Texas doesn't like what they other 8 remaining schools want ... there's the door.

I'm somewhat firmly convinced my school's leadership will fuck this up. If I'm Missouri, I'm telling Texas and the rest of the Big 12 you have until noon Tuesday to get third tier rights under control or we're gone. Based on the news out of the Big East today, it sounds like the discussion about picking off some Big East schools was an idle threat.

On the subject of BYU, BYU-TV is a great example of why the Big 12 would be good for BYU. The Big 12 is the only conference where BYU could put their games on their network, which would certainly help get the network in more cable homes. If you guys want to join the Big 12, go for it. Just make sure you know that Texas will always try to screw you.

Texas negotiated for the right to make more money off their third tier rights ... and now some other schools are negotiating to limit that. It's the same negotiation that took place last summer, it's just now that the rest of the Big 12 schools are more organized and have more leverage than they did a year ago. If Texas doesn't like what they other 8 remaining schools want ... there's the door.Hmm.... without any inside sources I don't think that's what's happening. I think Texas is going forward with the (contractually allowed) Longhorn Network, hopefully with a Big-XII in place, but willing to go independent if necessary. If Mizzou (or any other school) wants to leave, the door is there and they just need to jump through it... but so far only Nebraska and aTm have gone, which indicates they're the only ones that have actually been given a committable offer elsewhere. Mizzou is in a pretty good position medium-term because they definitely have a spot if it goes to 4 16-team super conferences, and short-term there is a 1 in 3 chance the SEC will take them to avoid having uneven numbers, but let's not pretend that Mizzou (or Kansas/K-State/ISU/Baylor/the Oklahoma's) is in a position to demand concessions from Texas.

Let me ask an honest question...what is stopping every other school in the Big 12 from creating their own network? Honestly? If that is such a pressing issue here, why not take your money, partner up and get one going?

The other schools are already starting that. K-State has an internet-based network that just started this fall. OU is in the planning stages. Mizzou is also in the process.

With that said, it's pretty obvious that the biggest money for everyone in the conference is when you pool resources and create a conference network rather than doing it in pieces. The LHN is the first national network within a conference. Honestly, it probably would have worked fine had UT not got greedy with the move to add additional conference games to the network (which takes games out of the conference contract) and the move towards HS games/highlights.

Judging from what the KC Star is reporting today, it sounds like Mizzou is playing hardball in regard to the 3rd tier rights. If Mizzou can get the concessions out of UT, then there's no reason not to stay. But given UT's track record thus far in that regard, I'm not holding my breath.

Hmm.... without any inside sources I don't think that's what's happening. I think Texas is going forward with the (contractually allowed) Longhorn Network, hopefully with a Big-XII in place, but willing to go independent if necessary. If Mizzou (or any other school) wants to leave, the door is there and they just need to jump through it... but so far only Nebraska and aTm have gone, which indicates they're the only ones that have actually been given a committable offer elsewhere. Mizzou is in a pretty good position medium-term because they definitely have a spot if it goes to 4 16-team super conferences, and short-term there is a 1 in 3 chance the SEC will take them to avoid having uneven numbers, but let's not pretend that Mizzou (or Kansas/K-State/ISU/Baylor/the Oklahoma's) is in a position to demand concessions from Texas.

1. I do believe Colorado left as well (to be fair, you probably weren't the only one to not notice).

2. Mizzou is in a great position to demand concessions from Texas. They're the third most influential of the schools remaining in the B12 and have a SEC offer on the table. If Mizzou leaves, the conference takes a hit by losing portions of two top-30 national media markets. They can't afford to do that with a likely renegotiation soon to come.

We'll find out tomorrow after the Mizzou BOC meeting. If the BOC votes to give Deaton power to move forward with other options, we're likely out. If they stay pat, it means we can expect to see announcement from Deaton (as B12 chairman) announcing some major changes in how 3rd tier rights are handled.

They're the third most influential of the schools remaining in the B12

Strikes me as akin to being the third most influential nation in the Warsaw Pact.

Let's say Mizzou leaves for the SEC (since they've apparently had an invite for the past few weeks they are pondering). How does this hurt Texas financially? Are they not able to add 2-3 teams (say, SMU, TCU, something of that sort) and keep going on? Why is this some big Texas conspiracy when their fate has little to do with these lesser teams in the conference?

Strikes me as akin to being the third most influential nation in the Warsaw Pact.

Sounds like a fair comparison to me. But with that said, the leaders need those areas to hold their power. If a revolution occurs, that power is weakened and gives others similar thoughts as we have seen with the NU, A&M, and CU defections.

Let's say Mizzou leaves for the SEC (since they've apparently had an invite for the past few weeks they are pondering). How does this hurt Texas financially? Are they not able to add 2-3 teams (say, SMU, TCU, something of that sort) and keep going on? Why is this some big Texas conspiracy when their fate has little to do with these lesser teams in the conference?

I think you're absolutely right in regards to Texas. They just pick up a few lesser schools who are more willing to deal with the warts as long as they see increases in budget, something that Mizzou isn't willing to agree with moving forward.

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It remains to be seen what LHN agreements have been made. RT <S>@</S>vgregorian (http://twitter.com/#!/vgregorian): Accordingly, Mizzou curators expected to meet tomorrow

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The Big 12 grant of rights, when agreed to, will be for "at least six years." A message to BYU and others: "We're not dysfunctional."

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That said, I doubt that Neinas and Big 12 announce this without having Mizzou on board. This was a key step in luring them back.

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When each school votes on agreeing to the grant of rights, the Big 12 will effectively be saved. But, that still needs to happen.

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Big 12 announces equal distribution, which will happen after each school puts in its grant of rights.

Sounds like the BYU part of that equation is close to happening (or has happened).

Makes sense for BYU. They are never going to get into the Pac XX, so this is really their only shot to ever get into a BCS conference. If it doesn't work out, they can always go back to the independent route.

Why does the PAC not want BYU? Seems like a quality school with good sports programs and a dedicated national fanbase.

SI

Why does the PAC not want BYU? Seems like a quality school with good sports programs and a dedicated national fanbase.

SI

the religious componet of the school is what is not desired. Baylor was in the same boat last year when the 1st Pac-16 proposal happened.

Why does the PAC not want BYU? Seems like a quality school with good sports programs and a dedicated national fanbase.

SI


the religious componet of the school is what is not desired. Baylor was in the same boat last year when the 1st Pac-16 proposal happened.

SnDvls has it right...but if you ask them, its about academics.

BYU will never get an invite to the PAC ever...There is just to much of a gap in differences and honestly, I am not that big on this but religious bigotry on both sides of the ball for this to ever work.

It's not to say we aren't wanted by the AD's and coaches, that has been brought up many times that we were wanted in the conference because of revenue and competition, but the schools presidents have shot us down repeatedly, especially Cal and Stanford.....

the religious componet of the school is what is not desired. Baylor was in the same boat last year when the 1st Pac-16 proposal happened.

It's not religion per se, obviusly Notre Dame would have no problem. But the short answer of why not BYU is because of this:

Academic freedom at Brigham Young University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom_at_Brigham_Young_University)

I could be - and most certain am - wrong about this, but the fact that the Big 12 has apparently come to a handshake agreement over Tier 1 & 2 rights, the Mizzou curators are meeting tomorrow, and there's not any kind of smoke out there about Mizzou leaving the Big 12, suggests to me that they are staying.

They're going to have to make a move very shortly, because the TV rights agreement will have to be signed pretty quickly to really mean anything and make BYU and/or other schools confident enough to move forward with joining, so Mizzou needs to move now or stay put. And I haven't heard anything but the same ol' rumors out about them moving.

Huh. A rights agreement actually makes the ACC the more attractive spot to grab #14 again, unless they go back to West Virginia.

SnDvls has it right...but if you ask them, its about academics.

BYU will never get an invite to the PAC ever...There is just to much of a gap in differences and honestly, I am not that big on this but religious bigotry on both sides of the ball for this to ever work.

It's not to say we aren't wanted by the AD's and coaches, that has been brought up many times that we were wanted in the conference because of revenue and competition, but the schools presidents have shot us down repeatedly, especially Cal and Stanford.....

everyone knows it's Cal & Stanford that don't want BYU. I think both AZ schools would love to have them given the large LDS populations in AZ, but we don't have the power or pull that the other two have. I think the Sunday thing is really blown up too much. Really as the Pac-10 the only sports played on Sundays were baseball anyhow.

Colorado had a long standing invite to the Pac-10 for years (along with Texas) and finally took them up on it as their alumni base is mostly in Cali. (outside of CO of course). So that wasn't a suprise to see them here.

I could be - and most certain am - wrong about this, but the fact that the Big 12 has apparently come to a handshake agreement over Tier 1 & 2 rights, the Mizzou curators are meeting tomorrow, and there's not any kind of smoke out there about Mizzou leaving the Big 12, suggests to me that they are staying.

They're going to have to make a move very shortly, because the TV rights agreement will have to be signed pretty quickly to really mean anything and make BYU and/or other schools confident enough to move forward with joining, so Mizzou needs to move now or stay put. And I haven't heard anything but the same ol' rumors out about them moving.

The Tier 1 and 2 equal sharing has been agreed upon for awhile. That happened when OU considered a move. The tier 3 rights are the battleground that OU started pushing and now MU is still pushing. There's no reason for a BOC meeting if they're staying for sure

The TV rights in the SEC are already under negotiation. Slive has said that publicly. There's multiple options on the table that depend on whether or not a 14th, 15th, and/or 16th member is added.

I expect one of two scenarios to come out of tomorrow's curators meeting:

1. Missouri says it's interested in staying in the Big 12 and will commit its first and second tier rights for 6 years under certain conditions; or
2. Missouri will give Chancellor Deaton authority to explore realignment and make a decision on his own.

I sincerely doubt we announce we're going the SEC tomorrow, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Everyone is looking for special insight. The fact that the curators meeting is in St. Louis tomorrow is particularly odd. One conspiracy theory is that they want some distance from the Columbia media and that St. Louis is more pro-SEC than Kansas City is. If Missouri announces it's going to the SEC tomorrow, the media fury in St. Louis will be much more celebratory. Columbia would be just as celebratory, but it's closer to KC and there's no place to hide in Columbia from all the media.

Missouri fans in KC are just as pro-SEC as other Missouri fans, but the KC media would fixate on the impact on the Big 12 tournament leaving town and the Border War rivalry.

Strikes me as akin to being the third most influential nation in the Warsaw Pact.

This was quite good.

I expect one of two scenarios to come out of tomorrow's curators meeting:

1. Missouri says it's interested in staying in the Big 12 and will commit its first and second tier rights for 6 years under certain conditions; or
2. Missouri will give Chancellor Deaton authority to explore realignment and make a decision on his own.

I sincerely doubt we announce we're going the SEC tomorrow, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Everyone is looking for special insight. The fact that the curators meeting is in St. Louis tomorrow is particularly odd. One conspiracy theory is that they want some distance from the Columbia media and that St. Louis is more pro-SEC than Kansas City is. If Missouri announces it's going to the SEC tomorrow, the media fury in St. Louis will be much more celebratory. Columbia would be just as celebratory, but it's closer to KC and there's no place to hide in Columbia from all the media.

Missouri fans in KC are just as pro-SEC as other Missouri fans, but the KC media would fixate on the impact on the Big 12 tournament leaving town and the Border War rivalry.

Have heard that Mizzou is pushing for sharing of 3rd tier rights and a 10 year commit from all schools. This whole buyout thing just reeks of instability. While the B12 teams talk of large buyouts to increase 'stability', the SEC has a buyout of $0. That's stability, not this forced 'stability' under a heavy-handed buyout.

Dola......

This should make for an interesting meeting. Sounds like the athletic department may win the battle with the academics. This poster gets info from the football staff. Also have heard that the high level donors are ready to pledge enough money for the buyout and also give around $150-160M towards a football stadium expansion if the SEC move happens...........

Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: What I know (http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=8947101)

What I know

The SEC is on the docket for tomorrow. Strongly opposed by some members in the admin. However, there is a faction that will get this done. Most of the academics are opposed due to the fact of the financial support the football program will need to remain competitive in the SEC. The new revenues will need to be dumped directly back into the football program, and the academics already dont like how much we are spending in this arena or how much GP is making. Football staff is firmly on board and leading charge. Alden is on board. Deaton sides with the academic faction. Per my source, there is enough leverage in the pro SEC faction to make the move. Deaton was working feverishly to get concessions that would appease the pro SEC faction. Not attainable. Texas wont budge. No fear of litigation, and "buyout" fees are already lined up per boosters.

All signs point SEC unless Deaton can pull a rabbit out of his hat, and at this point looks highly unlikely. Intention will be clear after BOC meeting.

GoldAndBlueZone Gold And Blue Zone
I'm nervous until papers are signed, but to say things look good would be a huge understatement! #wvutosec #wvu #sec

valleyshook Paul Katt
A great rumbling from the North, and the Moonshine beacon is being lit (or just exploded.) Word is the Mountain folk are making a move.

Mountaineer ✔ WV Mountaineer
Patience everyone.... THE source of all sources is reporting a done deal. Which media outlet will get the leak first?

So, is the SEC going for 14 or 16?

GoldAndBlueZone Gold And Blue Zone
I'm nervous until papers are signed, but to say things look good would be a huge understatement! #wvutosec #wvu #sec

valleyshook Paul Katt
A great rumbling from the North, and the Moonshine beacon is being lit (or just exploded.) Word is the Mountain folk are making a move.

Mountaineer ✔ WV Mountaineer
Patience everyone.... THE source of all sources is reporting a done deal. Which media outlet will get the leak first?

Everything I've seen is that WVU gets a spot regardless of what Mizzou decides if they want it.

Everything I've seen is that WVU gets a spot regardless of what Mizzou decides if they want it.

Most likely correct. WVU people are hearing Mizzou is staying, but it's not decided for certain yet. If Mizzou decides to go to the SEC then the SEC likely goes after an ACC team to pair with them.

News about WVU should start coming out tomorrow or Wednesday. WVU media hasn't been very interested in this story so it's been slow to get out.

I'm still in the "I can't believe this is happening" stage and probably will be until it's officially announced.

Most likely correct. WVU people are hearing Mizzou is staying, but it's not decided for certain yet. If Mizzou decides to go to the SEC then the SEC likely goes after an ACC team to pair with them.

News about WVU should start coming out tomorrow or Wednesday. WVU media hasn't been very interested in this story so it's been slow to get out.

I'm still in the "I can't believe this is happening" stage and probably will be until it's officially announced.

This combined with the rumors of a presser from BYU that is supposed to happen Wednesday, makes it all interesting to me..

Guys I haven't had time to really check this thread the last few weeks... does Mizzou still hold all the cards?

Mizzou will officially announce this afternoon that they are moving to the BigPac10ACC12SEC16 on the first app developed exclusively for the iPhone5.

The addition of WVU should greatly improve SEC academics.

I'm not sure if many folks care, but the Big East seems to be looking to add Navy and Air Force as football only members. There are also a handful of articles suggesting that Temple, UCF, and SMU are on the radar.

Didn't USF's president come out and declare that the Big East would not accept schools from states where they already had members? I don't know if that was edict from the league that they had agreed to, or a way to try to shut down the UCF rumors.

Reports this morning on local radio.

1. Chuck Neinas flew into St. Louis this morning to meet with Deaton before the Board of Curators meeting. Pretty unorthodox move by a commish if you're 'sure they're staying'.

2. Mike Alden will be in the BOC meeting today. Very rare to see that. Usually just Deaton. Given that Alden is the AD, there are thoughts that the athletic department feels they will get a positive move towards the SEC today.

dola

MU BOC meeting is complete. Reporters are expecting comments shortly. Press conference will be streamed on local Columbia website when it begins.

Streaming Newscast (http://www.komu.com/streaming-newscast/)

Edit: TV feed is getting hammered. www.810whb.com might be a better option for good feed.

From Jake Trotter (covers OU on ESPN).....

Have no idea what Missouri is about to announce. But I have been told that Sunday's call among Big 12 presidents "did not go well."

Also, someone posted the media call-in number for the press conference on Tigerboard.com. As a result, a bunch of idiots are now on the call chanting 'SEC! SEC! SEC!'.

From Jake Trotter (covers OU on ESPN).....



Also, someone posted the media call-in number for the press conference on Tigerboard.com. As a result, a bunch of idiots are now on the call chanting 'SEC! SEC! SEC!'.

What is your handle over on tigerboard?

What is your handle over on tigerboard?

I'm not involved in all that if that's what you're asking. :)

Don't post much there anymore, though I do watch it quite a bit.

I'm not involved in all that if that's what you're asking. :)

Don't post much there anymore, though I do watch it quite a bit.

I was just wondering. Have never seen Mizzou Basketball Fan post and didn't know if you went by something else. I have been a member there since the days of AOL but find the crowd a bit irrational sometimes. I got mob voted once for saying how good a couple of the 1980's Tiger teams were. Don't really understand the crowd there sometimes.

A view of the LHN from an Oklahoma perspective:

Big 12 administrators should blame Longhorn Network mess on themselves | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/big-12-administrators-should-blame-longhorn-network-mess-on-themselves/article/3610338?custom_click=pod_headline_ou-sports)

Mizzou is all but gone. Permission to consider other conferences granted by board.

MU Chancellor Deaton steps down as chairman of the Big 12 board of directors.

lol at waiting all that time for a press conference to announce they are "exploring their options"

So the Mizzou announcement was like a tree falling in the woods? Or the Cardinals are playing? Or it didn't happen? Or they have a Big Ten game this weekend? Or what?

lol at waiting all that time for a press conference to announce they are "exploring their options"

This is a drastic turn by the MU staff. They have repeated the 'proud members' mantra for some time now. Most have said that anything but a 'proud members' comment means that Mizzou is leaving the conference.

Great. FOR WHERE? They'd be total idiots to stay in that dumpster fire conference.

lol at waiting all that time for a press conference to announce they are "exploring their options"

Well I agree with them. They basically said fuck you to OU, OSU, Texas, TTech who tried to leave to Pac-12 and then wanted everyone to pledge to Big 12 once they were rejected. Specifically mentioned in press conference.

Great. FOR WHERE? They'd be total idiots to stay in that dumpster fire conference.

The offer is from the SEC.

Missouri Curators Vote to Explore Leaving Big 12 - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/missouri-curators-vote-explore-leaving-big-12-14669114)

The offer is from the SEC.

So they are going to the SEC? Why did they not say that? What are they waiting for?

If that happens, it's totally going to tip the balance of power in the SEC from an even split with the Bulldogs to the Tigers.

Watch out Fresno State, Gonzaga, Yale, The Citadel, South Carolina State and Butler...Georgia and Mississippi state need you!

So they are going to the SEC? Why did they not say that? What are they waiting for?

The entire process will take several days. They have to leave the B12, apply to the SEC, be accepted into the SEC, and they officially accept. It's the same process that A&M went through, though it should be much shorter now that the litigation threats shouldn't crop back up.

So you would say it is 100% that Missouri is going to the SEC?

So you would say it is 100% that Missouri is going to the SEC?

It's 100% if UT refuses to give in to Mizzou's demands. Thus far, they have shown no interest in doing so. UT now has to try to figure out if a MU exit means OU/OSU reconsider their commitment to the Big 12. If so, then they may consider backing off their hardball stance.

Missouri Fans Triumph In SEC Campaign : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/missouri-fans-triumph-in-sec-campaign.php)

http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1274457

Just repeating what's being said.

Missouri Tigers curators vote to consider leaving Big 12 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7060457/missouri-tigers-curators-vote-consider-leaving-big-12)

I don't know what OU and OSU are going to go unless Boren was telling the truth about not being rejected or unless the PAC 10 reevaluates and thinks they have Texas where they want them to give in. Texas has no reason to give in to Mizzou though because the give in money is greater elsewhere.

It's 100% if UT refuses to give in to Mizzou's demands. Thus far, they have shown no interest in doing so. UT now has to try to figure out if a MU exit means OU/OSU reconsider their commitment to the Big 12. If so, then they may consider backing off their hardball stance.

Ok, but even if Oklahoma reconsiders their commitment to the Big 12, where are they going? The Pac-12 said no, and they can't bring their little brother (Ok. State) to the strip club (SEC)

I don't know what OU and OSU are going to go unless Boren was telling the truth about not being rejected or unless the PAC 10 reevaluates and thinks they have Texas where they want them to give in. Texas has no reason to give in to Mizzou though because the give in money is greater elsewhere.

Lots of factors still to play out. What happens in Big East, ACC, and Big 10? Do any of those conference make further moves? Does Pac-XX see other options or reconsider a previous stance? Does SEC reconsider opposition to OSU?

The problem for some of these conferences is that they face a watered down product if they don't get the prime candidates still available in the B12 and Big East. Texas is quickly reaching a point where even a renegotiated B12 1st tier contract may not increase the $$$ per team just because they'll be bringing in what amounts to mid-major schools as replacements to get the conference back up to 10-12 teams.

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

#Mizzou has #SEC offer, but do they have #B1G offer? A source in Chicago tells us yonight they do. More Wednesday at GregSwaim.com

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

Clearly they didn't ask Illinois to vote.

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

FWIW.....Swaim is also saying that Rutgers would be the 14th if Mizzou was added.

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

The problem with the B10 theory from Swaim (assuming it's correct) is that there were a lot of bridges burned last year with the snub after working together for several months on a move. Given the relatively short time frame on the move this year, I don't think there's enough time to mend that situation and put together a deal. I think Mizzou (assuming Texas doesn't change their stance) is going to go to the SEC.

Article on Mizzou's fit within the SEC.......

The SEC needs Missouri more for image than for football | Mark Bradley (http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2011/10/05/the-sec-needs-missouri-more-for-image-than-for-football/)

Missouri wanted to be the in the Big Ten and would still go there if they ever got the offer.

Source: Missouri wants Big Ten invite more than SEC - NCAA Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/10/05/missouri-big-ten.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp)

Is that the kind of comment a pro-Big 12 Mizzou administrator leaks? "SEC is second banana to the B1G in our eyes." I guess this is something the SEC knows and presumably doesn't care about (since by all accounts it will never happen), but I've come to the point where I have to scrutinize every single reason for every single piece of info that comes out these days.

When this all shakes out, you're gonna have Texas (overbearing power hungry assholes), Missouri (overplayed their hand, tried to play all sides and got left out), and West Virginia (less popular than cholera, academics in the toilet) all together collecting the scraps from other conferences to try and patch together some credibility.

Is that the kind of comment a pro-Big 12 Mizzou administrator leaks? "SEC is second banana to the B1G in our eyes." I guess this is something the SEC knows and presumably doesn't care about (since by all accounts it will never happen), but I've come to the point where I have to scrutinize every single reason for every single piece of info that comes out these days.

As well you should. Every story has an agenda. This obviously was someone from part of the small academic minority that thought the B10 was a better option.

When this all shakes out, you're gonna have Texas (overbearing power hungry assholes), Missouri (overplayed their hand, tried to play all sides and got left out), and West Virginia (less popular than cholera, academics in the toilet) all together collecting the scraps from other conferences to try and patch together some credibility.

Mizzou doesn't have any credibility issues. Mizzou reacted both last year and this year to other schools' decisions. There's nothing wrong with finishing something that was started by someone else. The nice thing about going somewhere else is that we won't have the issue of the blame game that Texas and the B12 office constantly play through the media. Hope they enjoy what's left.

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

ND won't join for football, and if they do decide that their hand has been forced they'll go ACC or Big Ten, at least that's what I believe.

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275023)

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275023)

I never understood how they were going to make that work.

I never understood how they were going to make that work.

I'm still trying to figure out why they'd give up the option.

I assume the concerns from some of the other schools have something to do with a perceived recruiting advantage (or something of that nature). As far as I can figure, there'd be nothing stopping a school from doing the same sort of thing on their radio network or even online as part of the rights they haven't signed away.

The jealousy that other schools seem to have about Texas astonishes me. Hell, I'm sure that UGA folks (that are familiar with the details at least) are envious of the way Alabama & Auburn made both their radio networks more profitable by agreeing to share some workload at one point but I never heard anyone bitching about it/trying to block them. Instead they just went out & found a way to improve their own situation.

Report: Missouri Tigers hope to join SEC, had wanted Big Ten invite most - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7063633/missouri-tigers-hope-join-sec-had-wanted-big-ten-invite-most)


good thing MMBF has those inside sources that ESPN doesn't!

Missouri wanted to be the in the Big Ten and would still go there if they ever got the offer.

Source: Missouri wants Big Ten invite more than SEC - NCAA Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/10/05/missouri-big-ten.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp)

Report: Missouri Tigers hope to join SEC, had wanted Big Ten invite most - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7063633/missouri-tigers-hope-join-sec-had-wanted-big-ten-invite-most)


good thing MMBF has those inside sources that ESPN doesn't!

Or SI or the AP....

EDIT: I don't think he would disagree with the info. The Big Ten rumors were first and the The Big Ten is a better fit, but The Big Ten wanted Nebraska instead.

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275023)

The games thing wasn't a concession - the NCAA already ruled they couldn't do that. I think this involves highlights, which the NCAA approved in some form.

I don't get it, he said Mizzou preferred the B1G back on page 4, 17, 34, 35, 57, 63, 89, and 102.

I don't get it, he said Mizzou preferred the B1G back on page 4, 17, 34, 35, 57, 63, 89, and 102.

I don't think he ever used the stupid term B1G.

FWIW.....Swaim is also saying that Rutgers would be the 14th if Mizzou was added.
He also said OU and OSU were going to the Pac-XX a month ago.

The games thing wasn't a concession - the NCAA already ruled they couldn't do that. I think this involves highlights, which the NCAA approved in some form.

It does...MO originally wanted it for 13 years...Texas agreed to the 6 years to tie in with everything else....

TCU to the Big 12?

That's been rumored for some time. Just as long as Gary Patterson doesn't have to help SMU join as well...

This was my first question:

dennisdoddcbs (http://twitter.com/#!/dennisdoddcbs) Dennis Dodd
Is this expected to keep Missouri in or is it an admission that Missouri is out?

That's been rumored for some time. Just as long as Gary Patterson doesn't have to help SMU join as well...

Yeah, I should have made a longer post. There are several reports (mostly in the twitterverse that the Big 12 has reached some sort of "agreement" with regard to TCU.

Majority of SEC presidents favor Missouri, but not yet enough | al.com (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html)

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A&M gets an invite to the SEC, TCU gets an invite to the Big 12, Texas Tech gets an invite to Google+

Majority of SEC presidents favor Missouri, but not yet enough | al.com (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html)

Confused by this:

According to both sources, Alabama wants to look East and not risk losing its annual game against Tennessee, while Auburn favors adding Missouri and moving to the Eastern Division.

If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving to the east division save it?

Confused by this:



If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving save it?

That is confusing wording. Supposedly Alabama wants to stay in the West without losing their yearly Tennessee game. Auburn wants to move East.

Here's some further analysis of that article:

Alabama | MrSEC.com (http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/report-missouri-doesnt-have-enough-sec-votes-yet/)

Edit to say: What you're saying actually makes more sense to me, although it would make the East pretty ridiculous with UF, UGA, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee.

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<S class=hash>#</S>CraigJamesSadFace (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23CraigJamesSadFace) RT <S>@</S>kbohls (http://twitter.com/#!/kbohls): Big 12 is not considering any other Texas schools.

That is confusing wording. Supposedly Alabama wants to stay in the West without losing their yearly Tennessee game. Auburn wants to move East.

Here's some further analysis of that article:

Alabama | MrSEC.com (http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/report-missouri-doesnt-have-enough-sec-votes-yet/)

Edit to say: What you're saying actually makes more sense to me, although it would make the East pretty ridiculous with UF, UGA, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee.

And South Carolina. Vandy and UK might petition the league to allow them to play a home-and-home against each other each season!

Confused by this:



If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving to the east division save it?

Under your plan the East would have 8 teams and the West would have 6.

Obviously if Auburn moved to the East, they would be Bama's permanent cross division rival. The plan that I saw yesterday would actually have Missouri in the East and then they could be cross divisional rivals with aTm.

Actually now that I think about it, that wouldn't be balanced:

East (8):
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
South Carolina

West (6):
Texas A&M
Missouri
LSU
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Ole Miss

Edit: And digamma beat me to it.

Under your plan the East would have 8 teams and the West would have 6.

Obviously if Auburn moved to the East, they would be Bama's permanent cross division rival. The plan that I saw yesterday would actually have Missouri in the East and then they could be cross divisional rivals with aTm.

I think I was thinking of a 16-team league, where 2 would need to move.

So the issue here for Alabama is that they could only have 1 cross-division rival, which would obviously have to be Auburn, but doing that would cause the UT game to go away on a yearly basis, right? I think I got it now.

I think I was thinking of a 16-team league, where 2 would need to move.

So the issue here for Alabama is that they could only have 1 cross-division rival, which would obviously have to be Auburn, but doing that would cause the UT game to go away on a yearly basis, right? I think I got it now.

Yes, that's the basic issue.

According to this, TCU's been invited to the Big 12/10/9/8? conference.

TCU to join Big 12 in 2012-13 - CBSSports.com (http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32536916?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

According to this, TCU's been invited to the Big 12/10/9/8? conference.

TCU to join Big 12 in 2012-13 - CBSSports.com (http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32536916?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

If true, I do not want to see what the blood bath and gnashing and wailing will be like on the BYU boards......

Please god let the Big 12 invite SMU.

A Michigan insider is saying ND to the ACC is quickly on the way to becoming a reality. No idea how much he actually knows about this but I find it interesting. My guess is if they do go to the ACC then Michigan and Michigan State will stop scheduling them.

A Michigan insider is saying ND to the ACC is quickly on the way to becoming a reality. No idea how much he actually knows about this but I find it interesting. My guess is if they do go to the ACC then Michigan and Michigan State will stop scheduling them.

I figured Michigan was going to stop when they got to a 9 game BT schedule anyway. They've have to have 7 home games every year instead of 8.

I figured Michigan was going to stop when they got to a 9 game BT schedule anyway. They've have to have 7 home games every year instead of 8.

It wouldn't shock me. I know Brandon wants to schedule more marquee teams to get buzz. ND is clearly a marquee team but he wants diversity on the schedule. We'll see how that goes.

It wouldn't shock me. I know Brandon wants to schedule more marquee teams to get buzz. ND is clearly a marquee team but he wants diversity on the schedule. We'll see how that goes.

I think he'll look for more games like Alabama in Dallas, but not so much home and homes with major teams.

I guess somebody needs to bring this up every 10 pages or so. The only moves so far have been A&M (which a lot people saw) and Syracuse/Pitt (which some people said but no major news reported on). And the other 2000 posts (1500 without MBBF :) ) have been pure garbage. Just thought it might be important to remember with ND headed to the ACC and about 40 teams joining the Big 12 today.

For most of us, this isn't about being right. It's just fun to throw out the speculation. This is like a perpetual July 31st trade deadline.

Well...it's a good 50/50 mix right now on the boards...

half of them think...the offer is coming...

the other half are ready to pull donor money, switch allegiance and everything else because BYU "dropped the ball"

Whitlock tweeting that Ball St. is going to the Big 12 if Missouri joins the SEC.

:D

For most of us, this isn't about being right. It's just fun to throw out the speculation. This is like a perpetual July 31st trade deadline.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy this thread and always click on it when there is a new post. I was directing that more at the people that get really bent out of shape about some of the sources being bad when in fact I can't remember one source accurately saying Syracuse/Pitt to the ACC.

<S>@</S>DaveSittler (http://twitter.com/#!/DaveSittler): Big 12 source: "Louisville next in line."

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Big 12 source: "BYU, West Virginia and Tulane also on list."

Tulane?!

That made the CUSA board rounds yesterday after it got a mention in an ESPN.com article. Apparently Tulane's academics and large NO market make it an attractive school despite the fact that they're terrible in football and basketball, draw no fans, and have terrible facilities.

*shrug*

Dola-

Report: Missouri Tigers hope to join SEC, had wanted Big Ten invite most - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7063633/missouri-tigers-hope-join-sec-had-wanted-big-ten-invite-most)

The source said that Tulane would become a viable option for the Big 12 if it were to grab four schools to beef up the membership to 12, in a situation where BYU decides it doesn't want to leave its football independence or its new tie to the WCC in all other sports. Tulane is interesting to the Big 12 because of its location in New Orleans and in a state, Louisiana, where the Big 12 is absent, as well as the school's renewed commitment to sports and facilities after Hurricane Katrina.

A source with knowledge of Tulane's situation told ESPN.com that the Green Wave have privately been making overtures to the Big East and Big 12 about possible membership but didn't want to upset Conference USA as that league looks to form a partnership with the Mountain West.

Tulane is also a member of the Association of American Universities -- the only AAU member listed as a possible addition. The prestigious AAU tag is something that the SEC has looked at as an important criterion for expansion as evidenced by the league promoting Texas A&M as one of three AAU members in the SEC in a news release announcing the Aggies' addition. Florida and Vanderbilt are the other two in the SEC.

The Big 12 seems like their trying to just throw darts at the wall in rebuilding the conference.

Confused by this:



If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving to the east division save it?

not good math . if 2 schools are added to the west, only 1 school would move east not 2. that is the problem. Alabama's 2 big rivals would then be in the east. And therefore Bama would lose thier yearly game with Tennessee. (Clearly they would keep Auburn under this scenario.)

PowerMizzou.com reporting that the Birmingham report saying votes weren't there for Mizzou is incorrect. Says Mizzou will be accepted if it decides to move.

PowerMizzou.com - TCU invited, what's next for Mizzou? (http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275364)

<S>@</S>DaveSittler (http://twitter.com/#!/DaveSittler): Big 12 source: "Louisville next in line."

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Big 12 source: "BYU, West Virginia and Tulane also on list."

This is frightening if you're Mizzou. Definitely not an upgrade compared to what was lost. Also spans a wider geographic area than the SEC, which is contrary to the tight geographic area that the B12 was trying to maintain.

Clearly next up for the Big 12 is to invite McGill University. I mean so what if they are Canadian!

Also spans a wider geographic area than the SEC, which is contrary to the tight geographic area that the B12 was trying to maintain.

BYU would be the long trip, but the other schools considered are closer to Columbia, MO than Georgia, Florida and South Carolina in the SEC.

Louisville - 384
Cincinnati - 465
Morgantown, WV - 738
New Orleans -786

Athens - 736
Columbia, SC - 870
Gainesville, FL - 1008

Even with BYU, it it only 200 miles farther to Provo than it is to Gainesville.

OMG....if this is true...I might walk away from BYU as a fan just for the clear fact of messing it up...

The rumors are out of control but it is coming from multiple directions. BYU is off the BIG12 list as of last week.

Now I do not know what to make of this. Did BYU want to much? Do they see the conference going down and not resurrecting.

I am of the camp BYU needed the Big12 as much as they needed BYU...this actually hurts, we are always going to be on the outside looking in when it comes to bowls or anything else.

BYU would be the long trip, but the other schools considered are closer to Columbia, MO than Georgia, Florida and South Carolina in the SEC.

Louisville - 384
Cincinnati - 465
Morgantown, WV - 738
New Orleans -786

Athens - 736
Columbia, SC - 870
Gainesville, FL - 1008

Even with BYU, it it only 200 miles farther to Provo than it is to Gainesville.

Sure, because Mizzou sits at the center of the conference. But if you judge end-to-end, it's not even remotely similar. Longest distance if Mizzou were to join would likely be the Gainesville, FL to Columbia, MO as you cited. Longest trip in the new B12 would be over 1,900 miles (Morgantown, WV to Provo, UT), nearly double the longest SEC trip.

Now, obviously the B12 could add Tulane, but I'm not sure the fans/media would be able to stop laughing quick enough to actually remeasure those distances.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporting that Chuck Neinas visit to Mizzou tomorrow has been postponed indefinitely. Pretty good sign Mizzou is done talking, which isn't a surprise.

Sure, because Mizzou sits at the center of the conference. But if you judge end-to-end, it's not even remotely similar. Longest distance if Mizzou were to join would likely be the Gainesville, FL to Columbia, MO as you cited. Longest trip in the new B12 would be over 1,900 miles (Morgantown, WV to Provo, UT), nearly double the longest SEC trip.

Now, obviously the B12 could add Tulane, but I'm not sure the fans/media would be able to stop laughing quick enough to actually remeasure those distances.

I would love to have Tulane on the schedule. Every couple of years I would have a football road trip that I could sell as a huge must see game. :) Girlfriend doesn't know the difference between Tulane and Texas or OU. New Orleans we sure be a lot of fun though!

It's silly. Your wish list should look like this if you're the Big XII (which may mean you're not actually allowed to have a "wish list"):

TCU
BYU


WVirginia









Louisville




















SMU?
Rice?
Houston?
Tulane?
WTFU?

SI

It's silly. Your wish list should look like this if you're the Big XII (which may mean you're not actually allowed to have a "wish list"):
SMU?
Rice?
Houston?
Tulane?
WTFU?

SI

Getting the gang back together for Texas isn't #1 on your list either? :)

http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/SWC.jpg

I would root like hell for WTFU if it existed.

Lets make it Wake The Forest University. I'm on that train.

Well...it's a good 50/50 mix right now on the boards...

half of them think...the offer is coming...

the other half are ready to pull donor money, switch allegiance and everything else because BYU "dropped the ball"

It would be a dream come true if BYU ended up in the Sun Belt. Fitting place for them. :)

My Chapel Hill friends relay the talk of the town - Notre Dame indeed is willing and ready to join the ACC, even as early as the 2012 football season, but they want some kind of say in team #16. ND wants to join with a Penn State, a Texas, or other similar-statured school, and definitely does not want to be seen as tagging along with a Rutgers or a UConn. ND can wait as long as they need to, but if a team like PSU said they'd move to the ACC, there would be a presser tomorrow morning. As is stands now, ND can wait comfortably on their mountain of money as long as they want.

My Chapel Hill friends relay the talk of the town - Notre Dame indeed is willing and ready to join the ACC, even as early as the 2012 football season, but they want some kind of say in team #16. ND wants to join with a Penn State, a Texas, or other similar-statured school, and definitely does not want to be seen as tagging along with a Rutgers or a UConn. ND can wait as long as they need to, but if a team like PSU said they'd move to the ACC, there would be a presser tomorrow morning. As is stands now, ND can wait comfortably on their mountain of money as long as they want.

The ACC needs to send a lawyer to South Bend to explain what "Grants of Rights" mean, then. Penn State literally is worthless until 2027 at the earliest.

My Chapel Hill friends relay the talk of the town - Notre Dame indeed is willing and ready to join the ACC, even as early as the 2012 football season, but they want some kind of say in team #16. ND wants to join with a Penn State, a Texas, or other similar-statured school, and definitely does not want to be seen as tagging along with a Rutgers or a UConn. ND can wait as long as they need to, but if a team like PSU said they'd move to the ACC, there would be a presser tomorrow morning. As is stands now, ND can wait comfortably on their mountain of money as long as they want.

This is why I love ND. They can join the Big Ten and be with these schools they seem to want to be attached to, but they refuse. They want to be catered to and the Big Ten won't do it.

I think you overestimate the Big-10 here

http://www.mizzou2sec.com/east_west_2.jpg

I was on the Acela coming back from DC, and as I was getting ready to get off the train in NYC, I ran into ND bball coach Mike Brey, up here on a recruiting trip. We shot the shit for a few minutes and he told me he's worried about where they (as a basketball program) fall, and one thing he's sure about is that ND will never join a football conference.

That's my legitimate, first-hand contribution to the thread.

http://www.mizzou2sec.com/east_west_2.jpg


Nashville is not that far west. It is east of Tuscaloosa. If Auburn jumps over to the East with Mizzo in the West, then the map makes perfect sense (not that I think that is very important).

Why not send Alabama and Auburn east and Mizzou and aTm go west?

Nashville is not that far west. It is east of Tuscaloosa. If Auburn jumps over to the East with Mizzo in the West, then the map makes perfect sense (not that I think that is very important).

The hangup right now is that Alabama wants to keep their yearly game with Tennessee and that wouldn't happen if Mizzou goes into the West division. The one that Blade is showing is the one preferred at this point.

Why not send Alabama and Auburn east and Mizzou and aTm go west?

We discussed that yesterday. Leaves an unbalanced conference. That only becomes feasible if the SEC goes to 16, not 14.

I was on the Acela coming back from DC, and as I was getting ready to get off the train in NYC, I ran into ND bball coach Mike Brey, up here on a recruiting trip. We shot the shit for a few minutes and he told me he's worried about where they (as a basketball program) fall, and one thing he's sure about is that ND will never join a football conference.

That's my legitimate, first-hand contribution to the thread.So that eliminates who, exactly? The SEC?

Yeah, I think the ACC would be OK with a partial non-conference schedule for football (say, a minimum 3 games against ACC teams or something) and parking their other sports in the ACC as full-time members.

Only the Big 10 seems to be completely against that. Probably SEC too, although I've never really heard them linked with the SEC.

So that eliminates who, exactly? The SEC?

Mizzou :D

SI

ND just got a cherry hockey conference deal with Hockey East. Less conference games and they get to air their games on NBC and Versus. Taking that is a good indication they are not joining the Big Ten any time soon because they'd have to give it up to join the Big Ten hockey conference.

ND just got a cherry hockey conference deal with Hockey East. Less conference games and they get to air their games on NBC and Versus. Taking that is a good indication they are not joining the Big Ten any time soon because they'd have to give it up to join the Big Ten hockey conference.

A good thing about the ACC is we could give two flips about Hockey.

They can beat up on FSU's hockey team all they want.

Pat Jones (former OSU football coach) reporting on his radio show that Mizzou and SEC have reached full agreement on all terms.

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Guy on the Dawgman boards that is very well connected (good friends with Dan Beebe among others) is claiming he's heard that BYU lost their chance at the Big-"12" when they wavered, and that the conference has moved on to other targets.

That's what MacroGuru said he was reading a couple of days ago, I believe.

Guy on the Dawgman boards that is very well connected (good friends with Dan Beebe among others) is claiming he's heard that BYU lost their chance at the Big-"12" when they wavered, and that the conference has moved on to other targets.

More information is coming out and it appears Sunday play was actually a major issue in everything.....Big12 wasn't willing to concede on it and BYU would never ever concede on it.

Who knows though...I will look at it this way...if ND joins a conference and we are out, it will signal the end of BYU Football and athletics as you know it...if ND stays indy, BYU will stay and enjoy their ride, good or bad...

Speaking of Notre Dame:

Press reports state that Pittsburgh and Notre Dame are angling for the Big 10 to give them an invite:

The Telegraph-Herald - Google News Archive Search (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6AZCAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QqoMAAAAIBAJ&pg=5275,3639659&dq=big+ten+notre+dame&hl=en)



Ok, back in 1939.

It was mentioned before. OU/OSU will likely take the opportunity to look at other conferences if Mizzou leaves for the SEC......

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20111006_203_B1_IISUIl246513

The University of Chicago is leaving the Big 10? Good heavens!

Local KC radio reporting......

West Virginia president "wearing out Kansas State president begging to get in Big 12"

Big Ten done for now.
Big Ten expansion not on radar, commissioner Jim Delany says - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7072369/big-ten-expansion-not-radar-commissioner-jim-delany-says)

Big East looking to add.
Big East leaders discuss conference expansion, according to report - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7071427/big-east-leaders-discuss-conference-expansion-according-report)

I think the only way the Big East survives is by grabbing from the lesser conferences. I don't think teams from a major conference want in on a sinking ship.

Local KC radio reporting......

That came from a Brett McMurphy tweet. He is usually pretty decent, but he has his nose up the Big East basketball programs' behinds. I'd take anything that he says about the football schools with a grain of salt.

Mizzou doing their best to play their way out of an invite to any conference. I guess its good that they are probably more after our tv coverage than our football program. K-State will probably end up being an 8 or 9 win team but Mizzou looks like they have no heart at all.

Mizzou doing their best to play their way out of an invite to any conference. I guess its good that they are probably more after our tv coverage than our football program. K-State will probably end up being an 8 or 9 win team but Mizzou looks like they have no heart at all.

In case you haven't noticed, on field results are at the bottom of the list of what is important in expansion candidates. ;)

Right, just look at Pitt and Syracuse :)

Right, just look at Pitt and Syracuse :)

Or Colorado or Boston College.

Really, Virginia Tech has probably been the best addition in the last several years of expansion and they weren't even seen as a desirable addition at the time.

I'm not really sure What louisville is doing. I think they are waiting for an sec invite that just won't happen because kentucky will cblock that. Just hope they know what they are doing and aren't left standing after the music chairs of this shuffling is over.

Mizzou doing their best to play their way out of an invite to any conference. I guess its good that they are probably more after our tv coverage than our football program. K-State will probably end up being an 8 or 9 win team but Mizzou looks like they have no heart at all.

Let's not forget that Mizzou plays 5 of their last 7 games inside the Missouri borders. There's still plenty of football left to play and the schedule is pretty favorable. Injuries have certainly played a factor. Regardless, that's not going to play any role in whether or not Mizzou gets a bid to another conference.

Let's not forget that Mizzou plays 5 of their last 7 games inside the Missouri borders. There's still plenty of football left to play and the schedule is pretty favorable. Injuries have certainly played a factor. Regardless, that's not going to play any role in whether or not Mizzou gets a bid to another conference.

which they don't have

whether or not Mizzou gets a bid to another conference.WHAT? What about the bid they have from the SEC? You know, the one you told us about 75 times already?

Let's not forget that Mizzou plays 5 of their last 7 games inside the Missouri borders. There's still plenty of football left to play and the schedule is pretty favorable. Injuries have certainly played a factor. Regardless, that's not going to play any role in whether or not Mizzou gets a bid to another conference.
My level of concern is growing but Missouri's schedule has been ridiculous. We're the only team in the country that has played three ranked teams on the road, and those three teams have a combined record of 15-1. The only loss is Arizona State's 3-point loss at 6-0 Illinois. Given how Oklahoma is running over people, our game at Norman is the biggest scare they've had all year.

We have Iowa State, Texas, Tech and KU at home. I'm optimistic we can go 3-1 in that stretch, and 4-0 is certainly a possibility. Oklahoma State is going to be brutal, and at Baylor and at A&M will be tough. The team just can't hang its head over three tough road losses.

I get all the shots Mizzou is taking about competing in the SEC, but even in what is shaping up as a down year with a new quarterback, Missouri is clearly better than five SEC teams, and I think we'd be competitive against everyone other than LSU, Bama and possibly Carolina.

I get all the shots Mizzou is taking about competing in the SEC, but even in what is shaping up as a down year with a new quarterback, Missouri is clearly better than five SEC teams, and I think we'd be competitive against everyone other than LSU, Bama and possibly Carolina.

Clearly better than 5 SEC teams? Uh, no.

At least tell us which 5!

At least tell us which 5!

I was trying to figure that out myself.

Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State are the three obvious. I'm guessing Vandy & UT must be the other two, not sure how else he could get to five.

I was trying to figure that out myself.

Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State are the three obvious. I'm guessing Vandy & UT must be the other two, not sure how else he could get to five.

They've done nothing to show they're better than Miss State.

The only SEC teams they're probably "clearly" better than are Kentucky and Ole Miss right now.

We're the only team in the country that has played three ranked teams on the road, and those three teams have a combined record of 15-1

LSU says "Hi." Kind of helps those teams be 15-1 when you go against 0-3 against them. Missouri being OU's toughest challenge says more about OU's schedule than it does Missouri.

Does anybody know the status of BCS automatic qualifiers and how often that status can evaluated? Particularly with regard to the big east? It could be a few years before Pitt and Cuse are gone, but it could end up being sooner, and it doesn't look like TCU will ever be there. With MWC defections, there's no clear replacement, but another at-large spot might make sense.

Ex-Big 12 commish Dan Beebe says Nebraska Cornhuskers balked at revenue sharing - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7080495/ex-big-12-commish-dan-beebe-says-nebraska-cornhuskers-balked-revenue-sharing)

So wait, Big 12 wanted sharing like the Big Ten, Nebraska balked at it, and went to the Big Ten. Sounds like sour grapes from Beebe.

Does anybody know the status of BCS automatic qualifiers and how often that status can evaluated? Particularly with regard to the big east? It could be a few years before Pitt and Cuse are gone, but it could end up being sooner, and it doesn't look like TCU will ever be there. With MWC defections, there's no clear replacement, but another at-large spot might make sense.

The Big East is part of the current TV deal and won't be in danger of being "demoted" from AQ status until at the very least 2014-15.

Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

All the next evaluation period will determine is whether a new conference gets AQ status to join the six leagues that already do.

Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games. The process is as follows:

AQ conferences could grow by one in 2012 (http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5126859)

Its every other school except Texas. They are just trying to do whats best for everyone.