http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/04/holmes-says-that-both-feet-were-down/



http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/holmestoes.JPG

So this proves... what, that both feet were not on the ground for the entire play?

It proves someone took a picture of his feet.

http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/1/8/0/e905/j1000/PHP4988EE6A3E081.jpg

I think his feet are in this one, too!!

And if you look on the internet, you can find a picture of his penis!!

And if you look on the internet, you can find a picture of his penis!!

done...... and done.

I think the photos the Cards need to look at is why number 10 wasn't covered for most of that game winning drive.

Pumpy, I think the one you posted looks very photoshopped.

Don't stop believing!

Pumpy, I think the one you posted looks very photoshopped.

Don't stop believing!
I agree. Francisco's butt is a lot sexier in reality.

I entered this thread expecting to see Katie.

I'm rather disappointed.

I have proof that not only did he NOT get his feet down, but he also didn't even catch the ball:

http://www.sportsocracy.org/imgs/ike_seahawks.jpg

I entered this thread expecting to see Katie.

Agreed. Please change thread title to reflect its NOT the formerly adorable Holmes.

Agreed. Please change thread title to reflect its NOT the formerly adorable Holmes.


I'm sorry, but anyone who allows tom the psychopath ruise to lay a finger on her is no longer able to be considered even "previously" adorable. his taint extend into the time/space continuum and fucks up their past as well as their future.

Holmes' right foot is definitely down...

http://www.imaginaire.ca/Images2/Holmes-Image-Loupe.jpg

Wait a minute, I watched the game but didn't really follow the thread here. Are there people that think that wasn't a catch?

Apparently.

And if you look on the internet, you can find a picture of his penis!!

I hear he puts a foot in the ladies as well.

We wouldn't be talking about this if Matt Leinart had started the game.

We wouldn't be talking about this if Matt Leinart had started the game.

This is true. A 48-0 scoreline would have been far less controversial.

This is true. A 48-0 scoreline would have been far less controversial.

Exactly would have been a 48-0 blowout with the Cards win!

Exactly would have been a 48-0 blowout with the Cards win!
The drinking didn't stop on Sunday, did it?

The drinking never stops!

The drinking didn't stop on Sunday, did it?

Hells YEAHS!

I tried, but I can't find a picture of Rupert Holmes's feet.

Here you guys go.

<img src="http://www.feetmagazine.com/file_rte/image/katie_holmes/Katie_Holmes_Fm.jpg">

I'm not sure why you're into this, but Feet Magazine's got your back.

All feet are disgusting - granted, some more so than others. Misshapen slabs of skin and bone.

Here you guys go.

<img src="http://www.feetmagazine.com/file_rte/image/katie_holmes/Katie_Holmes_Fm.jpg">

I'm not sure why you're into this, but Feet Magazine's got your back.

Giggity giggity...All riiiggghhhtt

i don't respect anyone who doesn't properly give credit to the author's of famous quotes.

Wait a minute, I watched the game but didn't really follow the thread here. Are there people that think that wasn't a catch?
Not really. The original photo comes from Will Leitch at deadspin, who's a Cards fan and was just making a joke.

Feet magazine?

I'm sorry, but anyone who allows tom the psychopath ruise to lay a finger on her is no longer able to be considered even "previously" adorable. his taint extend into the time/space continuum and fucks up their past as well as their future.

Watched the scene in "The Gift" again yesterday.

They are still adorable.

Katie Holmes' feet, pfft.

I *dare* anyone to find a photo of Kate's feet.

Katie Holmes has fat calfs.

Katie Holmes' feet, pfft.

I *dare* anyone to find a photo of Kate's feet.

You mean hoof?

Yep....Larry Holmes feet are down.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0806/history.june11/images/017062293.jpg

You mean hoof?

Hehehe.

i don't respect anyone who doesn't properly give credit to the author's of famous quotes.True, a thread at FOFC starting with the word Awkward isn't very original.

It doesn't look like his right foot is down in either one of those pics actually.

Not to stay on topic or anything.

It doesn't look like his right foot is down in either one of those pics actually.

Not to stay on topic or anything.

Spoiler!!!:D

More examination of Holmes' winning TD catch (http://www.azcentral.com/closeup/articles/0203spt-closeupholmestd.html)

There's the best link...in case anybody wants to look for themselves. It looks awfully damn close on pic #10, but the rest are inconclusive because you don't know when he actually caught the ball.

It doesn't look like his right foot is down in either one of those pics actually.

Not to stay on topic or anything.

You serious Clark?

It's a shame Tampa had a couple inches of red air floating above the end zone.

If we can't agree, I guess it's time for a do-over?

You serious Clark?

It's a shame Tampa had a couple inches of red air floating above the end zone.

Well, in the second pic, you can see his left foot is definitely on the ground...about 2-3 feet from the back of the endzone. His right foot however, if it really is down, is somehow touching the very back of the endzone where the chalk meets the red paint. This makes Santonio Holmes either very flexible, or a magician.

Well, in the second pic, you can see his left foot is definitely on the ground...about 2-3 feet from the back of the endzone. His right foot however, if it really is down, is somehow touching the very back of the endzone where the chalk meets the red paint. This makes Santonio Holmes either very flexible, or a magician.

Or a function of the direction that the picture is being taken from. Either one of the 3.

Well, in the second pic, you can see his left foot is definitely on the ground...about 2-3 feet from the back of the endzone. His right foot however, if it really is down, is somehow touching the very back of the endzone where the chalk meets the red paint. This makes Santonio Holmes either very flexible, or a magician.


Thank god someone else can understand geometry and spacial physics =)

I've been biting my tongue hoping I wasn't the only one seeing that point.

In fairness, it was ruled a catch and th replays they had access to simply couldn't show them this in that much detail.

But at least we now know it wasn't a catch and the steelers should have lost ;)

LOL

Or a function of the direction that the picture is being taken from. Either one of the 3.


At the distance that camera is sitting at (far end zone at best, media level more likely) the angle is pretty minimal and isn't going to distort that view by that much distance.

Well, in the second pic, you can see his left foot is definitely on the ground...about 2-3 feet from the back of the endzone. His right foot however, if it really is down, is somehow touching the very back of the endzone where the chalk meets the red paint. This makes Santonio Holmes either very flexible, or a magician.

That's what is making people think his foot is down. It's a bit of an illusion since the end of his foot is even with where the out of bounds line begins, making it look like the foot is touching the ground. But you're right, it isn't. Since the feet are right on top of each other, they would have to be touching on the same "plane" from the side perspective, and they don't look like they are.

But he's also in the process of bringing the ball to his body in the second photo, which means he already had control of the ball long enough to start to bring it in, so the photo doesn't prove anything. Had the picture been taken a half second earlier, considering how close the end of the foot is to the ground, I think we'd have a photo of two feet touching with the ball in Homles outstretched hands. But that's just conjecture...

There's only one way to be sure...someone get out the Zapruder film.

Well, in the second pic, you can see his left foot is definitely on the ground...about 2-3 feet from the back of the endzone. His right foot however, if it really is down, is somehow touching the very back of the endzone where the chalk meets the red paint. This makes Santonio Holmes either very flexible, or a magician.
Huh? This is 3D, not 2D. Depth perception can be real tricky but it's apparent that his right foot is behind the left foot and touching the grass.

Huh? This is 3D, not 2D. Depth perception can be real tricky but it's apparent that his right foot is behind the left foot and touching the grass.


Actually this IS 2d, its a photo and because its a photo geometry tells us where things are with respect to depth within the photo. And if his toe is touching the grass why can we see the entire toe? you can't see the left one ;)

If his toe were down at this point (the photo in this thread) we couldn't see the red grass that is directly in front of that pylon which is a good 3+ feet from the spot of Holme's toes.

There's only one way to be sure...someone get out the Zapruder film.

So you're saying, we should be looking back and to the left ;)

SI

Definately too close to call and you certainly can't blame anybody for this one. By the definition of what a ref can reasonably deduct, it's a touchdown.

Now, in retrospect, seeing the right foot so much higher up than the left foot in every shot, the only way the right foot could touch is if the left foot were buried in the ground, but that's not the case at all. I don't think the right foot touched.

But if anything, they should change the rule to one foot in bounds. That solves about 50% of the problems with this kind of stuff. :)

Actually this IS 2d, its a photo and because its a photo geometry tells us where things are with respect to depth within the photo. And if his toe is touching the grass why can we see the entire toe? you can't see the left one ;)

If his toe were down at this point (the photo in this thread) we couldn't see the red grass that is directly in front of that pylon which is a good 3+ feet from the spot of Holme's toes.
What picture are you talking about, I'm talking about the 2nd picture. I can see to the left of the right shoe that there is yellow lower then the rest of the shoe shown (at the same level as the left shoe). Anyway, I hoped that one didn't count, but the pictures did nothing to overturn the call.

Yeah...I'm not arguing that his right foot didn't touch the ground at any point after he caught the ball...I'm merely stating that in the pictures we have been given not one of them shows his right foot/toe touching the ground. He very well may have caught the ball and tapped his right foot down, but I just have yet to see any evidence that it actually happened.

I agree that the call was too close to overturn in a game, so even though it may eventually down the line turn out to be the wrong call, given the angles that the refs had at that moment, there was not reasonable evidence to completely overturn the call. Now...if the innitial call had been incomplete, I have no doubt that that too would not have been overturned.

the photo in post #4

Yeah...I'm not arguing that his right foot didn't touch the ground at any point after he caught the ball...I'm merely stating that in the pictures we have been given not one of them shows his right foot/toe touching the ground. He very well may have caught the ball and tapped his right foot down, but I just have yet to see any evidence that it actually happened.

I agree that the call was too close to overturn in a game, so even though it may eventually down the line turn out to be the wrong call, given the angles that the refs had at that moment, there was not reasonable evidence to completely overturn the call. Now...if the innitial call had been incomplete, I have no doubt that that too would not have been overturned.


indeed, this is my stance as well and my hope is that when evidence like this comes out after the fact that it prompts the NFL to work toward having the equipment and personnel on hand for a game with as much at stake as the Super Bowl so that the fans and the world at large have far less room to bitch as many have about the games.

Building the fans confidence in the surrounding system of the game will help alleviate a lot of the disgruntled fans after such a game.