So should we start enforcing a time limit tomorrow?

Yes...i thought i wouldn't have to be a stickler about it till at least the 5th round.

Yes, 2 1/2 hours is bad enough, but 1 in 6 is absurd. We should be able to do a few rounds per work day.

We've done one pick in six hours.

If people can't bother to pick and/or send a list in round one, what will they do in round nine?

you need your sarcasim meter checked my friend

this is getting absurd.

this is getting absurd.

Come on, man. This is called suspense!

Tasan was last on 30 minutes before pick 1.9 was made so, either he forgot and didn't pop in here to look at where we were at or isn't paying attention.

so when do we envoke the Vikings rule?

so when do we envoke the Vikings rule?

Well, if you envoke it then I'm sure we will get 4 picks fired off pretty quick with Wade, back to back by me and then Wade again...

Well, if you envoke it then I'm sure we will get 4 picks fired off pretty quick with Wade, back to back by me and then Wade again...

I'm ready with 1.11 and can be ready with 2.whatever if need-be.

Well, if you envoke it then I'm sure we will get 4 picks fired off pretty quick with Wade, back to back by me and then Wade again...

then it comes right back to him again.

I don't want to sound like an ass here, but we need to do something.

well I am out for a few hours, I sent my picks to Dr.

Well how long did you guys wait on me this morning? If its been a ridiculous amount of time then perhaps we should just drop him from the draft since he hasn't made any picks yet and move on without him? Sucks but what can we do?

Man, if you guys are this hard on Tasan I hate to think what you think of me. Eight and a half hours to make my pick. :)

Seriously though, I missed my pick by minutes before I logged off and went to bed last night.

Overnight is one thing, people do have lives and need to sleep. Tasan was logged in here during the day and hasn't checked back or posted anything. I dunno. I'm here often enough that it really doesn't make a huge difference to me what we do.

(Everyone complaining about this has already sent some picks to Sak, right?)

(Right?)

(Everyone complaining about this has already sent some picks to Sak, right?)

(Right?)

I will when I'm gone for more than 30 minutes a pop. :)

Which will be in 30 minutes...

Yeesh, people do need to send in lists. I just got home from work, but sent Sak 15 picks before I left. It's not that hard. I expected to come home with two more people on my roster.

I sent picks.

I don't want to exclude anyone from the fun, but I am thinking Render may be onto something here.

We should be able to get through at least the first round in one day

I sent picks.

I don't want to exclude anyone from the fun, but I am thinking Render may be onto something here.

We should be able to get through at least the first round in one day

We have 2 extra people compared to normal as it is. :)

Well, won't be on until later so, picks sent to Sak

It looks like this is simply a famous TV characters draft.

It looks like this is simply a famous TV characters draft.

We'll see when the voting happens.

It looks like this is simply a famous TV characters draft.

+1

Geez, I'm not even in this draft and I sent a list of my picks in! http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1128.gif

I don't see why people are freaking out. I mean, I'm gonna send a list for tomorrow if my pick isn't done by tonight, but I'm not biting my fingernails off in anticipation or anything.

Some people really love to draft!

Sorry!

I picked up a book I'd been reading, and next thing I knew it was 3 hours later. Then dinner, etc. Lemme check to see if someone took who I wanted.

Okay i'm going with what I feel is a limited category with my first pick

1.10 Mr. Belvedere-Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny - He's the rock star of hired help. The show was named after him. How many of those are there? Plus, with a fairly poor supporting cast, he doesn't keep me out of many other good selections.

I'd hang around Tasan... Wade and myself go so, might be a quick turnaround. :)

...calling Wade now.

1.11 Lassie - Pet - THE TV Pet. Lassie was on for 20 years and has since had various rebirths on TV and movies. Lassie loves her owners, saves lives, and to this day - many decades after her creation - is instantly recognizable by people of all ages.

Good pick wade, but not my first pick for a pet. ;)

Good pick wade, but not my first pick for a pet. ;)

I assume I know your first. I can only think of 2 that deserver the top pick.

Okay i'm going with what I feel is a limited category with my first pick

1.10 Mr. Belvedere-Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny - He's the rock star of hired help. The show was named after him. How many of those are there? Plus, with a fairly poor supporting cast, he doesn't keep me out of many other good selections.

I can think of at least one more show where the show is named after the Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny. I think you got the premier pick for Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny, but there was very little strategy in the pick.

1.12 - Mom : June Cleaver, Leave it to Beaver.

2.1 - Bad Guy : Louis DePalma, Taxi.

All solid picks.

I had Mes. Cleaver targetted with my second round pick.

2.2 - Theo Huxtable - Brother - Like his father at the top of the 1st round, Theo is the model for his category. He was a well behaved son (most of the time), took care of his sisters, and gave Mom and Dad just enough of a hard time to create laughs. The scene mentioned above with Cliff and the fake money is possibly the most memorable Sitcom scene of all time, and it doesn't happen without Theo.

I assume I know your first. I can only think of 2 that deserver the top pick.

I dunno. I can think of one other (maybe the same as what you're thinking), but there are many more that come close to a "top pick".

Just some commentary: who was Lassie's master? I don't know. Who else was on the show? I don't know. I think that my same reasoning that applies to Mr. Belvedere applies to this pick.

Take for example, Cliff Huxtable. There were a couple of other picks there that were removed by that selection. Lassie and Mr. Belvedere were the shows. Maybe in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds this strategy would work, but for a 1st round pick I think you left a lot on the table for other players.

You understand how the knock-out rules work in this one, right?

The only thing you can knock-out from other players is actors, not TV Shows.

Additional rules thrown in to make it needlessly complicated

1) Once you draft a family member, pet, location, nanny, or anything from a TV showyou cannot draft another member from that same show.

Don't think you can draft Theo, wade.

I dunno. I can think of one other (maybe the same as what you're thinking), but there are many more that come close to a "top pick".

Just some commentary: who was Lassie's master? I don't know. Who else was on the show? I don't know. I think that my same reasoning that applies to Mr. Belvedere applies to this pick.

Take for example, Cliff Huxtable. There were a couple of other picks there that were removed by that selection. Lassie and Mr. Belvedere were the shows. Maybe in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds this strategy would work, but for a 1st round pick I think you left a lot on the table for other players.

Clearly it was Timmy, who was constantly fallling down the well. :)

I think people need to realize the rules. Cliff Huxtable removes NO ONE from that show for other people. It merely removes any character played by Bill Cosby.

Don't think you can draft Theo, wade.

Look at the bolded part. :)

Don't think you can draft Theo, wade.

I took the rule to mean that you personally can't pick one. The show is still open. So, if he had Cliff he couldn't take Theo.

Look at the bolded part. :)

Ah....! Thanks! That changes things considerably in my strategy then!

So we're back to Tasan?

I dunno. I can think of one other (maybe the same as what you're thinking), but there are many more that come close to a "top pick".

It's actually an incredibly deep category. But I still think voters will like Mr. Belvedere the best.

Ah....! Thanks! That changes things considerably in my strategy then!

And makes Belvedere (Someone I considered for 2.2) and Lassie make a bit more sense, eh? ;)

FWIW, I think the game is infinitely easier then. It makes it less interesting when it comes down to making your team since we could all have potentially super-star teams.

And makes Belvedere (Someone I considered for 2.2) and Lassie make a bit more sense, eh? ;)

Perhaps! We'll see when I make my picks. :)

If one pick eliminated a show, we would run out of shows.

FWIW, I think the game is infinitely easier then. It makes it less interesting when it comes down to making your team since we could all have potentially super-star teams.

Yeah - it can cut a lot of ways. I worry that when you have someone from X show and so do 3 other people, does that hurt your roster for voters? It might - a risk I was willing to take here, but a risk nonetheless.

If one pick eliminated a show, we would run out of shows.

Hello there captain hyperbole!!! ;)

fwiw - I think both ways of doing it are good games, just different. I probably would have made the show get eliminated, but like I said there is interesting strategy here as well.

FWIW, I think the game is infinitely easier then. It makes it less interesting when it comes down to making your team since we could all have potentially super-star teams.

As does expanding to all shows, not just sitcom family shows. It seems to no longer be just sitcoms, and not be only "family" shows. Basically you can pick from any tv show that ever aired and the only thing that can be blocked is an actor/actress/voice artist.

I had thought of lasie, but then thinking about the specifics of the game I decided lassie wasn't a comedy so I left him off my list. I did think of a pet though and I'm doubting anyone else thinks of this one but I'll have to wait and see.

I had thought of lasie, but then thinking about the specifics of the game I decided lassie wasn't a comedy so I left him off my list. I did think of a pet though and I'm doubting anyone else thinks of this one but I'll have to wait and see.

This got changed from a "Sitcom" draft to a "Television Family" draft before we started drafting. Comedy is irrelevant imo at this point.

Oh...guess I missed that point.

Yeah - it can cut a lot of ways. I worry that when you have someone from X show and so do 3 other people, does that hurt your roster for voters? It might - a risk I was willing to take here, but a risk nonetheless.

Hmmm....I think the contrary actually. I don't look at Theo as a risk at all, but more of a "hedging your bet" type guy.

One of the things I discussed with my wife was whether to draft on pure entertainment value, pure icon status, or general cohesiveness. I'm still a little undecided on which way to go.

This got changed from a "Sitcom" draft to a "Television Family" draft before we started drafting. Comedy is irrelevant imo at this point.

Grrr... :mad: Missed that.

Ah well. I stand by my picks. :)

Oh...guess I missed that point.

Me too since the thread title is Television Family Draft and in the first post it still says sitcom.

dola, and if it's not a sitcom family draft, then Cliff Huxtable definitely isn't the first choice for Dad.

dola, and if it's not a sitcom family draft, then Cliff Huxtable definitely isn't the first choice for Dad.
Yes he is.

I thought it was sitcom family draft too.

dola, and if it's not a sitcom family draft, then Cliff Huxtable definitely isn't the first choice for Dad.

hmm.. depends on what you are drafting for. :)

dola, and if it's not a sitcom family draft, then Cliff Huxtable definitely isn't the first choice for Dad.

If you're thinking what I think you are, you're still wrong.

Yes he is.

I disagree. There are far better fathers out there in dramas.

I think we need to pause for a moment and let Dr. Sak clarify this. Looking at the picks, I think most players thought this was sitcom only. How else would you pick Homer Simpson over XXXX? Or Stewie over XXXXX? My two cents, but I think that most people still thought this was sitcoms only.

I'm here and I'm picking, just gimmie a second.

I disagree. There are far better fathers out there in dramas.

I think we need to pause for a moment and let Dr. Sak clarify this. Looking at the picks, I think most players thought this was sitcom only. How else would you pick Homer Simpson over XXXX? Or Stewie over XXXXX? My two cents, but I think that most people still thought this was sitcoms only.

Did you guys read the thread? This was discussed at length.

I disagree. There are far better fathers out there in dramas.

I think we need to pause for a moment and let Dr. Sak clarify this. Looking at the picks, I think most players thought this was sitcom only. How else would you pick Homer Simpson over XXXX? Or Stewie over XXXXX? My two cents, but I think that most people still thought this was sitcoms only.

So you punish the people that were actually paying attention when Dr. Sak changed it?

Did you guys read the thread? This was discussed at length.

I skimmed after making my pick. I got home from work and got a PM that the draft had started and came in to my make my pick. I had no idea this was no TV family draft.

So you punish the people that were actually paying attention when Dr. Sak changed it?

Maybe some of us were doing other things. The first post should have been updated if it was changed.

Maybe some of us were doing other things. The first post should have been updated if it was changed.

The title of the thread was. :)

I can't really defend the situation here, but you can't change it at this point, I don't think. No matter what a group gets punished, and I don't think it should be the one that was paying attention to all the posts over the ones that just skimmed.

Personally I think Dr. Sak should have been more iron fisted and stuck to his original intentions (but you guys know I'm a jerk :) ), and barring that he should have updated the first post, but, ohwell. :) We are where we are and this draft will still be a lot of fun.

I really dont see what the issue is here.

If someone wants to pick a charecture from ER fuck it and let them. The voters will sort it out.

I really dont see what the issue is here.

If someone wants to pick a charecture from ER fuck it and let them. The voters will sort it out.

I think the issue is more that some thought they were limited to Sitcom characters because of the original premise, but Dr. Sak opened it up to non-Sitcoms at some point. They were picking from a more limited list than the rest of us.

Personally, I'm going to use characters from all genres of TV to make an awesome sitcom family.

I think the issue is more that some thought they were limited to Sitcom characters because of the original premise, but Dr. Sak opened it up to non-Sitcoms at some point. They were picking from a more limited list than the rest of us.
It's a little odd that one of the guys complaining about us not sticking to a strict "sitcoms only!" rule used the #2 overall pick on a character who's not from a traditional sitcom.

I thought I would have a chance to make my pick but I'll check in after dinner.

The title of the thread was. :)

I can't really defend the situation here, but you can't change it at this point, I don't think. No matter what a group gets punished, and I don't think it should be the one that was paying attention to all the posts over the ones that just skimmed.

Personally I think Dr. Sak should have been more iron fisted and stuck to his original intentions (but you guys know I'm a jerk :) ), and barring that he should have updated the first post, but, ohwell. :) We are where we are and this draft will still be a lot of fun.

It will still be fun, and I'm not too worried about it since Sak is nice enough to run this for us. I would have preferred it was just sitcoms to make it more challenging, I might still stick to that with my own picks anyway.

Jesus Christ, Tasan, if you don't pick right now I'm going to drive to your house and poo in your mailbox.

2-3 Montgomery Burns/Bad Guy - This was a tough one. The Simpsons offers up so many avenues, but I felt it was best used in Villains, since sitcoms have so few. This also eliminates a few "out there" late choices for other categories, since the voice actor, Harry Shearer, does many other side voices on the Simpsons.

It's a little odd that one of the guys complaining about us not sticking to a strict "sitcoms only!" rule used the #2 overall pick on a character who's not from a traditional sitcom.

I don't see how Family guy is not a sitcom. It's animated, but it's a sitcom

With the first pick in the Television Family Draft, Karl selects:

1.1 Mom-Lucy Ricardo, I Love Lucy

One of the biggest sit-coms of all time, Lucy was a shining light in the often dark wasteland that sit-com moms normally inhabit. She could pull off physical comedy, vaudeville nods, and musical comedy.

As hard as it was to choose, I felt this pick was necessary to take, because in the world of tv sit-coms, a good mom can be hard to find.

1.2 Stewie Grifiin - Bad Guy / Girl / Baby

Stewie is a great sitcom character and is the quintessential lovable villain. Plus now the other good characters from family guy and some from American dad can not be drafted, so I have the market cornered on those shows :). I chose Stewie over someone like Peter because in the dad category Peter is middle ground, but I feel Stewie is at the top of the villains. Plus, he is my favorite character on the show.

1.3 Archie Bunker - Dad

Perhaps the greatest character ever created for TV. He was much more than the gruff malcontent that so often came through. Most people have some part of the character that they can either strongly identify with or know someone just like him.

After careful consideration, and in going with a more modern theme, we here at team DeTox have determined that there is no better best friend to a lead character then ..

1.4: Arthur "The Fonz" Fonzereli [Best friend]

Who doen't know the Fonz?

1.5 Cliff Huxtable - Dad

Gotta go with Cliff, one of the funniest and most likeable dads in TV history. My favorite Cliff moment is in the first episode where he teaches Theo how to live like a regular person, using monopoly money as an example.

1.6 Alex P. Keaton (Michael J. Fox) - Brother
Alex epitomized the Reagan era and sprung Michael J. Fox onto the big screen in the Back to the Future movies.

It's sort of fitting that as the Cosby Show closes out with pick 1.5, Family Ties follows with pick 1.6.

From his list Maple Leafs Selects:

1.7 Homer Simpson - Dad

1.8- George Costanza- Best Friend

Best show ever.

Dick Solomon, 3rd Rock from the Sun 1996 : Father

John Lithgow plays the commander of an alien survey team. While not actual relatives they take on the roles of a typical american family and the hilarity ensues. Lithgow is a comic genius and plays the campy Commander dorkmobile to the hilt.

Okay i'm going with what I feel is a limited category with my first pick

1.10 Mr. Belvedere-Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny - He's the rock star of hired help. The show was named after him. How many of those are there? Plus, with a fairly poor supporting cast, he doesn't keep me out of many other good selections.

1.11 Lassie - Pet - THE TV Pet. Lassie was on for 20 years and has since had various rebirths on TV and movies. Lassie loves her owners, saves lives, and to this day - many decades after her creation - is instantly recognizable by people of all ages.

1.12 - Mom : June Cleaver, Leave it to Beaver.

2.1 - Bad Guy : Louis DePalma, Taxi.

2.2 - Theo Huxtable - Brother - Like his father at the top of the 1st round, Theo is the model for his category. He was a well behaved son (most of the time), took care of his sisters, and gave Mom and Dad just enough of a hard time to create laughs. The scene mentioned above with Cliff and the fake money is possibly the most memorable Sitcom scene of all time, and it doesn't happen without Theo.

Picks so far. I have to say that I went back to page 2 of the thread and saw where Dr. Sak opened it up to all genres of television. I think the later picks got that but the beginning ones didn't. Needless to say, I don't have a problem with the draft so far but I also could understand anyone who has a problem with it being expanded beyond sitcoms due to the first post.

I'm sticking with the sitcom theme. If the voters don't like it, tough.

2.4 Kelly Bundi, Married with Children, Sister Played by Christina Applegate

Do I really NEED a reason?

I'm sticking with the sitcom theme. If the voters don't like it, tough.

2.4 Kelly Bundi, Married with Children, Sister Played by Christina Applegate

Do I really NEED a reason?

Nice pick. I was gonna get her if she was still there....be that as it may, no sloppy seconds for me.

with the alacrity of the picks thus far I doubt we'll get to 3.9 anytime soon. later gators.

I remembered scanning the discussions on the sitcom discussion and thought to myself "How the f are we even discussing if a show like ER is a sitcom??"

I glossed over it and didn't think much of it.

Ah well.. that is my bad.

I think many if not most were not aware of the change. Still, I guess it doesn't matter. I'll likely be sticking with just sitcoms myself. The voters can decide in the end.

I didn't notice, but I would have picked Cliff anyways.

I missed the change as well. I looked back in the thread, and didn't see a post where it said we were abandoning sitcoms. I saw some where he said he didn't want only family-based sitcoms to be in the pool, rather sitcoms in general as the pool.

I started out wanting it to be a sitcom draft then Wade went off about how sitcoms are 30 minute shows. I didn't want someone to pick a character from say "The Office" as one example, where another poster has a shit fit because The Office is sometimes an hour. So I took away the sitcom thinking that it could be from shows that are an hour just so that there wasn't that argument.

Honestly I just wanted this to be a fun draft. I love TV, a lot of people here do too so I thought it would be a fun idea. Now I am remembering why I dont like these things.

2.4 Kelly Bundi, Married with Children, Sister Played by Christina Applegate

Do I really NEED a reason?
No sir, you most certainly do not.

I started out wanting it to be a sitcom draft then Wade went off about how sitcoms are 30 minute shows. I didn't want someone to pick a character from say "The Office" as one example, where another poster has a shit fit because The Office is sometimes an hour. So I took away the sitcom thinking that it could be from shows that are an hour just so that there wasn't that argument.

Honestly I just wanted this to be a fun draft. I love TV, a lot of people here do too so I thought it would be a fun idea. Now I am remembering why I dont like these things.

I appreciate you running this. I didn't mean to make a big deal of it, was just surprised. I think most of us are sticking with the sitcom theme anyway.

2.5 Father- Mike Brady

Now I am remembering why I dont like these things.


Lol. I love these things to death but the one thing from previous drafts is that it has to be clear and unambiguous. Still doesn't prevent anyone from pulling an Imagine but while voters have the final say, it has to be clear to the participants in order to have the interest to continue.

By the way...great thing happened in my class at the gym... we were doing dead lifts and the girl right next to me had her boob pop out. She didn't notice so I had to tell her...funny stuff!

Rules question: Is "wildcard" meant to be a free slot that lets you double up in one category, or is it meant to be somebody who doesn't fit neatly into any of the existing categories?

This is why we can't do fun things. :(

Goddamn it people, why do some folks have to make a simple thing so damn complicated. The first two lines of the original post laid out in very clear terms what this was supposed to be:

Okay I'm a little bored and had some time on my hands so I decided to think up another draft to host on FOFC. There are a lot of TV Junkies on the board so I've decided to host a Sitcom Draft.

The rules are pretty simple, draft the best sitcom family, and see if the FOFC Community thinks that you have the best family. All judged by them.

The bolded parts are pretty damn simple and clear. A draft based off of sitcoms. The categories to draft were family members/friends/enemies/pets. Nowhere did it say only 30 minute sitcoms, nowhere did it say "limited to family based sitcoms".

I appreciate you running this. I didn't mean to make a big deal of it, was just surprised. I think most of us are sticking with the sitcom theme anyway.

As long as the voters know it's not a sitcom draft, i'm fine with that. I specifically shifted my strategy when the label was changed.

Rules question: Is "wildcard" meant to be a free slot that lets you double up in one category, or is it meant to be somebody who doesn't fit neatly into any of the existing categories?

Someone who might not fit into a particular slot. I had a few other ideas for categories, but I didn't want to have too many.

This is why we can't do fun things. :(

Goddamn it people, why do some folks have to make a simple thing so damn complicated. The first two lines of the original post laid out in very clear terms what this was supposed to be:



The bolded parts are pretty damn simple and clear. A draft based off of sitcoms. The categories to draft were family members/friends/enemies/pets. Nowhere did it say only 30 minute sitcoms, nowhere did it say "limited to family based sitcoms".

What we were referring to is that I guess on page 2 it was changed to all of television and not just sitcoms. I missed the whole arguing about 30m vs 60m shows, but I guess the result of that was the change.

What we were referring to is that I guess on page 2 it was changed to all of television and not just sitcoms. I missed the whole arguing about 30m vs 60m shows, but I guess the result of that was the change.

I'm just incredibly curious where the confusion came in, when the ground rules were simple and to the point.

I was told that sitcoms are 30 minutes...and that Dramas are 60 minutes. As I said above I didn't want to have an argument if a show is sometimes 60 minutes. So it is my fault, I apologize.

So where does "family" fit into all of this?

I'm just incredibly curious where the confusion came in, when the ground rules were simple and to the point.

I agree, I thought that was exactly what were doing, a sitcom draft. I didn't care about run time etc...

I became confused just recently when I saw that the draft was changed away from a sitcom draft to a television draft.

So where does "family" fit into all of this?

Those were simply the different categories to pick from. And not all of the categories are family members.

That's it...i'm deleting this thread...you will all lose posts!

I'm drafting based on sitcoms, I don't care what the rest of you do. Its silly. I mean, come on, who cares if the Office ran a 45 minute episode once in a while. It falls into Sitcom in every respect. Opening this up just made it too easy to assemble big famous roster.

I was told that sitcoms are 30 minutes...and that Dramas are 60 minutes. As I said above I didn't want to have an argument if a show is sometimes 60 minutes. So it is my fault, I apologize.

I missed that whole thing. That doesn't make sense, a sitcom is a sitcom whether it lasts for 30 minutes or 3 days. I know you were trying to make everyone happy, so don't worry about it. This is supposed to be fun, so people can draft however they want. Sitcom based or not.

I appreciate you running this. I didn't mean to make a big deal of it, was just surprised. I think most of us are sticking with the sitcom theme anyway.

ditto on the first part. I didn't mean to make a big deal of it either...was just confused because I hadn't read carefully.

That being said, I will stick to the sitcom theme for the most part but will probably go in a different direction in a couple categories.

I think the rules are completely clear and everyone is being ridiculous.

Also, I choose 2.6 - Pet - Darth Vader

Those were simply the different categories to pick from. And not all of the categories are family members.

I agree but I think there is something subtle about a draft list that makes up a family vs. a draft of television family members.

I think the rules are completely clear and everyone is being ridiculous.

Also, I choose 2.6 - Pet - Darth Vader

I'll be the stupid one...which show was he on? Was it the Wookie special?

I'll be the stupid one...which show was he on? Was it the Wookie special?


I don't think he was in that one. I call BS, he hasn't be on any tv


:p

Rollin to bed.

2.7 Howard Cunningham, Mr. C from Happy Days--Dad

2.6 - Mother - Edith Bunker

She seemed like a cool lady, and I think she'll get along well with Homer. Also, she once kicked a rapist in the balls.

I don't think he was in that one. I call BS, he hasn't be on any tv


:p

Technically he's probably been on TV more than we think, but it's been in the Star Wars movies on TV. Hopefully people aren't going to stretch this to include movies that happen to have been shown on NBC, CBS, HBO, etc. Then again, thinking about it a little too hard that would throw out the made-for-TV movies too. whatever. Rollin to bed.

Wow, the next four picks could be made now too with all of us online. Maybe if Karl comes online we can even swing it back around :)

Technically he's probably been on TV more than we think, but it's been in the Star Wars movies on TV. Hopefully people aren't going to stretch this to include movies that happen to have been shown on NBC, CBS, HBO, etc. Then again, thinking about it a little too hard that would throw out the made-for-TV movies too. whatever. Rollin to bed.
You are sapping my will to live right now.

That was a joke pick

That was a joke pick
Come on, it may have been a few rounds to early but Howard Cunningham isn't terrible.

Come on, it may have been a few rounds to early but Howard Cunningham isn't terrible.

HAHA

My fingers are crossed that my pick stays on the board

2.8 - Mayberry, Location

2.8 - Mayberry, Location
Hmm.

Not even on my list, but in hindsight a pretty solid pick.

Hmm.

Not even on my list, but in hindsight a pretty solid pick.

+1

I hadn't even considered locations, but doing so now I can't find one I like better than Mayberry. It conjured up the entire Andy Griffith show unlike saying "New York" would conjure up... er... 8,000 shows...

love the Mayberry pick.

This is why we can't do fun things. :(

Goddamn it people, why do some folks have to make a simple thing so damn complicated. The first two lines of the original post laid out in very clear terms what this was supposed to be:



The bolded parts are pretty damn simple and clear. A draft based off of sitcoms. The categories to draft were family members/friends/enemies/pets. Nowhere did it say only 30 minute sitcoms, nowhere did it say "limited to family based sitcoms".

It cracks me up when cartman posts something like this and in my mind i'm reading in Southpark Cartman's voice. Good stuff.

Looks like DeToxRox is done for the night. I've sent a list off to Dr. Sak in case things get an early East Coast start in the morning.

whats the plan for the weekend?

Keep Drafting ya bastards. Weekend schmeekend. You have computers, waste time on them like the rest of us.

Team DeTox needs a leader. The Fonz is far too set in his ways, but only one man I know can whip him into shape. A sentimental pick, perhaps a round too early, but alas:

2.9 - Al Bundy [Dad]

2.10 - Gilligan's Island - Location

The selection of Mayberry might have forced my hand a bit. I was hoping this would slide a couple more rounds, but probably not now that location has been brought up and people are thinking about it.

Is there a better locale for a sitcom than a tropical island? I think not. Everyone else can have their urban scene, suburbia, or idyllic countryside. My family is living large on the shores of Gilligan's Island. Just watch out for the occasional headhunters.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photos/gilliganlogo.jpg

Pretty good, Cartman..pret-ty good.

I don't want to continue this argument too much, but in my defense Sak ready WAY too much into what I was saying. A special 1 hour episode of a sitcom doesn't make it no longer a sitcom. My issue came in when people were talking about people from the Soprano's or from Dallas.. or from Reality Shows... I was stating my view that our definition of Sitcom should not include shows like this and should be 1/2 hour situation comedies. The example of "The Office" was just silly, and not even close to what I was referring to.

The example of "The Office" was just silly, and not even close to what I was referring to.

I used that example because I knew no one would pick from that show and that way I wouldn't be accused of discussing picks not made yet or giving someone a hint to a show they didn't think of.

Btw...I will update the first post when I get to work...should be updated in under an hour.

I used that example because I knew no one would pick from that show and that way I wouldn't be accused of discussing picks not made yet or giving someone a hint to a show they didn't think of.

Gotcha. And in the end I may have not gotten my point off very well in the first go around, so I apologize for that.

2.11 Barney Fife - Best Friend

2.11 Barney Fife - Best Friend
Fahk, so much for my "wacky landlord" wildcard pick.

Fahk, so much for my "wacky landlord" wildcard pick.

I had Barney Fife as one of my top Best Friend picks, I wouldn't have seen him slipping to a wildcard pick.

Yeah, he was #1 on my BFF list. Great character, stole the show.

I'm happy because so far two people I considered in the first could end up on my family still. Fife and my hopeful 3rd rounder.

The first page is updated with everyone's picks. I'll work on LS's spreadsheet now.

Di Karl send a list?

No...I was going to give him a few more since he is on the left coast right?

1.12 - Mom : June Cleaver, Leave it to Beaver.


This was my first choice for "Mom" and why I was somewhat non-plussed by the initial pick in the draft.

No...I was going to give him a few more since he is on the left coast right?

I'd assume so otherwise his name would be Karllina.

No...I was going to give him a few more since he is on the left coast right?

he is ( so am I BTW).

I just think we need to get strickter with the 2 hour time limit. If I know I may not be awake I send a list.

I'll give him till 11:15 EST...after that whoever is up next can pick.

So what's the Viking rule? If somebody takes too long to pick, the draft continues and the human rain delay can just make their pick whenever they get around to it?

So what's the Viking rule? If somebody takes too long to pick, the draft continues and the human rain delay can just make their pick whenever they get around to it?

Yep...I've tried to be pretty flexible with this but it isnt fair to everyone else.

Fife is the first character I'm not really familiar with. That's going to fudge up my voting a bit.

Fife is the first character I'm not really familiar with. That's going to fudge up my voting a bit.

Wow. There was a time when I was one of the younger people on this board - but this shows me that must not be the case anymore ;).

Fife is the first character I'm not really familiar with. That's going to fudge up my voting a bit.

Tune into TVLAND this weekend 7-10pm for good old fashioned clean fun.

http://www.tv-now.com/stars/andy.html

... and now I'll have the theme to Andy Griffith in my head the rest of the day.

I used to watch that show with my Mom when I was a kid, great show.

With my mom it was MASH. I swear I've seen every single episode of that show at least a dozen times. Never gets old though, good clean fun while bringing real issues out in the open during a time when most of America was just burying its head in the sand.

With my mom it was MASH. I swear I've seen every single episode of that show at least a dozen times. Never gets old though, good clean fun while bringing real issues out in the open during a time when most of America was just burying its head in the sand.

It wasn't a chicken, it was a bay-beeeee......

Danny didn't send a list?

2.6 - Mother - Edith Bunker

She seemed like a cool lady, and I think she'll get along well with Homer. Also, she once kicked a rapist in the balls.
Did the rules change to allow this pick? I thought once a show had a drafted character, that show was off the list.

Did the rules change to allow this pick? I thought once a show had a drafted character, that show was off the list.

Only for that person. So he can';t pick anyone else from All in the Family, but anyone else can.

Ah... my mistake. Carry on.

Wow. There was a time when I was one of the younger people on this board - but this shows me that must not be the case anymore ;).

30 years old and an infrequent watched of Andy Griffith (that's the show, right? Eep, I am feeling so inadequate!)

From Danny's list...

3.02 - Samantha Stevens (mom)

30 years old and an infrequent watched of Andy Griffith (that's the show, right? Eep, I am feeling so inadequate!)

Wow - you're 30 and didn't watch Andy Griffith? Surprising to me - it was on everywhere when we were kids.

I'm ready whenever Cartmans set

Send me your guy just in case DeTox

Send me your guy just in case DeTox

Don't worry -- Waiting for the cable guy [insert ML joke]

I am gonna research to make sure my picks solid but I'll be around all day.

3.3 Arnold Ziffel - Pet

I almost went with 'son' as the category here, because Fred and Doris Ziffel treated him as their son. But name me a smarter. more kickass pet in all of sitcom history. Go ahead. You can't. That's why Arnold gets my pick for the pet category. Everyone else can have their dog, cat, bird or fish. For a sitcom, you can't get wackier than a pig.

http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/museum/images/mus113.jpg

Awesome.

IMHO as a voter:

1.11 and 1.12 were HUGE picks. June Cleaver could have easily gone #1 overall.

Props also to 2.5 and 2.6 - also IMHO quite "genre defining"

Team DeTox believes in bringing family together through song and dance; or in this case, drinking. Heavily.

So, we pick:

3.4 - Cheers Bars [Location]

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Nice last 2 selections. Of course, the 'family' voters will kill a bar as a pick. :D

Had Arnold on my short list for pets, but didn't know how long he would last.

This draft would have been 8 times harder if a single pick ruled out an entire show. You would've had people picking characters from Eisenhower & Lutz or Joey by the end of the thing.

3.5 - Alice Nelson, The Brady Bunch - Maid/Housekeeper

3.5 - Alice Nelson, The Brady Bunch - Maid/Housekeeper

Had her as #1 on the housekeeper list.

I think Norm proved that he'd rather live in a bar then spend time with his wife. That's how this family rolls.

Had her as #1 on the housekeeper list.

I had Belvedere/Alice as the clear 1/2 and then a decent drop-off for #3.

I've got two maid/housekeeper picks which are solid/huge. I wonder if someone will try to utilize them in another category or something - if you're desperate for a pick in that category, shoot me a PM and i'll sell my idea...lol

3.6 Edna Garrett (Diff'rent Strokes) Butler/Maid/Housekeeper

Just because the run on Butlers is going and I don't want to be left with the maid from Hooperman.

I had Belvedere/Alice as the clear 1/2 and then a decent drop-off for #3.

IMHO, that wasn't much of a drop off considering she got her own series. :)

3.6 Edna Garrett (Diff'rent Strokes) Butler/Maid/Housekeeper

Just because the run on Butlers is going and I don't want to be left with the maid from Hooperman.

fuck yes! best show ever!!

Well, since there's a run in this category, let's clear off the other big one...

3.7 - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper - Tony Micelli

Well, since there's a run in this category, let's clear off the other big one...

3.7 - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper - Tony Micelli

that was one of my two that i had thought of. still have another though...

Cheers and Tony were on my short list

Cruising now....

OK, so maybe I am missing something here and if I am then I am an idiot, but

3.8 Brother- Bart Simpson

He could fit into a few catergories. I looked on IMDB to be certaind, but the only 2 simpsons charectures are Burns and Homer, neither voiced by the woman who does Bart.

Well, since there's a run in this category, let's clear off the other big one...

3.7 - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper - Tony Micelli

Totally missed my radar - nice pick!

is this thing on...

OK, so maybe I am missing something here and if I am then I am an idiot, but

3.8 Brother- Bart Simpson

He could fit into a few catergories. I looked on IMDB to be certaind, but the only 2 simpsons charectures are Burns and Homer, neither voiced by the woman who does Bart.

Seems Kosher to me.

OK, so maybe I am missing something here and if I am then I am an idiot, but

3.8 Brother- Bart Simpson

He could fit into a few catergories. I looked on IMDB to be certaind, but the only 2 simpsons charectures are Burns and Homer, neither voiced by the woman who does Bart.

Good pick, although I find it hard to intermingle live action with cartoons. In my head I see Michael Jordan playing basketball with the Looney Tunes.

3.9 Wisconsin, Location

Wisconsin you say? Yes, Wisconsin - mainly that of Milwaukee (or just across the border to Chicago). You've got Happy Days (http://www.everything2.com/title/Happy%2520Days) and all of its spin (http://www.everything2.com/title/Joanie%2520Loves%2520Chachi) offs (http://www.everything2.com/title/laverne%2520and%2520shirley), Married with Children (http://www.everything2.com/title/Married%2520with%2520Children), Step by Step (http://www.everything2.com/title/Step%2520by%2520Step), Dave Nelson (http://www.everything2.com/title/Dave%2520Nelson) from News Radio (http://www.everything2.com/title/News%2520Radio) and more recently, That '70s Show (http://www.everything2.com/title/That%2520%252770s%2520Show).

Gah...Render.....you stole my location, I was hoping that one would pass for a little.

Oh well.

3.9 Wisconsin, Location

Wisconsin you say? Yes, Wisconsin - mainly that of Milwaukee (or just across the border to Chicago). You've got Happy Days (http://www.everything2.com/title/Happy%2520Days) and all of its spin (http://www.everything2.com/title/Joanie%2520Loves%2520Chachi) offs (http://www.everything2.com/title/laverne%2520and%2520shirley), Married with Children (http://www.everything2.com/title/Married%2520with%2520Children), Step by Step (http://www.everything2.com/title/Step%2520by%2520Step), Dave Nelson (http://www.everything2.com/title/Dave%2520Nelson) from News Radio (http://www.everything2.com/title/News%2520Radio) and more recently, That '70s Show (http://www.everything2.com/title/That%2520%252770s%2520Show).

I think good pick, but for some reason it doesn't have the chutzpah of the Cheers Bar or Gilligan's Island.

Most of my other picks for other categories are still sitting out there so I wanted to nab what I think is the best overall location before someone else did.

I think good pick, but for some reason it doesn't have the chutzpah of the Cheers Bar or Gilligan's Island.


Go look up the list of sitcoms that take place in Milwaukee/Chicago area.

Compare that to 1 for Cheers (Boston) and 1 for Gilligan's Island (the island) They are distinct locations yes, but they aren't the real heart of sitcoms or TV in general. IMO of course.

3.9 Wisconsin, Location

Wisconsin you say? Yes, Wisconsin - mainly that of Milwaukee (or just across the border to Chicago). You've got Happy Days (http://www.everything2.com/title/Happy%2520Days) and all of its spin (http://www.everything2.com/title/Joanie%2520Loves%2520Chachi) offs (http://www.everything2.com/title/laverne%2520and%2520shirley), Married with Children (http://www.everything2.com/title/Married%2520with%2520Children), Step by Step (http://www.everything2.com/title/Step%2520by%2520Step), Dave Nelson (http://www.everything2.com/title/Dave%2520Nelson) from News Radio (http://www.everything2.com/title/News%2520Radio) and more recently, That '70s Show (http://www.everything2.com/title/That%2520%252770s%2520Show).

Just remember you can't use any of those shows now for the rest of the draft.

3.10 Roseanne Conner - Mother

In the 90s, she defined mom for a generation of kids who grew up lower middle class. She cared about her kids and loved her husband, but was definately no June Cleaver, she was actually real.

Just remember you can't use any of those shows now for the rest of the draft.

Ouch. :)

Although, Married with Children wasn't in Wisconsin just Peggy's family was from Wanker county in Wisconsin.

3.10 Roseanne Conner - Mother

In the 90s, she defined mom for a generation of kids who grew up lower middle class. She cared about her kids and loved her husband, but was definately no June Cleaver, she was actually real.

Gah. Great pick. I debated for a while between Edna Garrett and Roseanne. I should've gone Roseanne.

Just remember you can't use any of those shows now for the rest of the draft.

I think he could safely still use News Radio.

Just remember you can't use any of those shows now for the rest of the draft.

Makes sense, but he did pick Kelly Bundy, which would supposedly preclude the pick for Wisconsin.

Just remember you can't use any of those shows now for the rest of the draft.


I'll review the thread but I thought this was discussed already and that wasn't a factor for locations, but either way, not a big issue.

Gah. Great pick. I debated for a while between Edna Garrett and Roseanne. I should've gone Roseanne.

To me she defined mom. While my mom wasn't near as crude as she could be, they shared a lot in common and that show just rang clear and true to me in so many ways.

Ouch. :)

Although, Married with Children wasn't in Wisconsin just Peggy's family was from Wanker county in Wisconsin.

Ah, safe then!

Makes sense, but he did pick Kelly Bundy, which would supposedly preclude the pick for Wisconsin.

I'm pretty sure Wisconsin was just mentioned as a childhood home of the mom, not a central focus of Married with Children, so I think it can pass.

Go look up the list of sitcoms that take place in Milwaukee/Chicago area.

Compare that to 1 for Cheers (Boston) and 1 for Gilligan's Island (the island) They are distinct locations yes, but they aren't the real heart of sitcoms or TV in general. IMO of course.

How can you possibly justify combining Chicago into Wisconsin?

Sorry, that's Wisconsin that you picked - so everything in the state of Wisconsin.

Once you draft a family member, pet, location, nanny, or anything from a TV show you cannot draft another member from that same show.
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How can you possibly justify combining Chicago into Wisconsin?

Sorry, that's Wisconsin that you picked - so everything in the state of Wisconsin.

It's for the voters to decide :)

Married with Children was technically in a Chicago suburb. Illinois, not Wisconsin =)

3.11 - Marsha Brady - Sister - Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!!

It's for the voters to decide :)

Agreed - I'm appealing to the voters here!!! :D

How can you possibly justify combining Chicago into Wisconsin?

Sorry, that's Wisconsin that you picked - so everything in the state of Wisconsin.


Have you looked at a map? Its a regional thing. I took Wisconsin, no problem there, but when you look at how many sitcoms took place in the chicago/milwauki area its humungous. I'd say its pretty easily justified myself.

Limiting myself by Wisconsin only benefits me anyway, so why the fuss?

I hope we aren't going to get that picky on locations because on Episode 62, for 2 minutes, Bill and Bob were watching a Green Bay Packer game so, therefore you can not take Wisconsin.

MASH would eliminate San Fran, Ottumwa, Fort Wayne, Maine, Crab Apple Cove, Boston, Korea, Japan, Hawaii....

Have you looked at a map? Its a regional thing. I took Wisconsin, no problem there, but when you look at how many sitcoms took place in the chicago/milwauki area its humungous. I'd say its pretty easily justified myself.
I'd like to take the Mid-Atlantic states please, k thx.


Limiting myself by Wisconsin only benefits me anyway, so why the fuss?

Yes and no. It helps you have other picks, but including Chicago would increase the value of this individual pick.

I hope we aren't going to get that picky on locations because on Episode 62, for 2 minutes, Bill and Bob were watching a Green Bay Packer game so, therefore you can not take Wisconsin.

MASH would eliminate San Fran, Ottumwa, Fort Wayne, Maine, Crab Apple Cove, Boston, Korea, Japan, Hawaii....

I think that was more about being confused than anything else. RendeR claimed MwC so people assumed it took place there.

3.12 : Ed Norton (Best Friend), Honeymooners : A Best Friend has to be the subject of the leads jokes and barbs, in on his schemes and steal the occassional scene. That was Ed Norton.

4.1 : Benson (Butler/Maid), Soap : Change from the always helpful maid to the sarcastic side. Plus, he later become a politician. Edna just opened a freakin restaurant and Alice just massaged Sam's meat.

Ed Norton is a very strong pick.

Have you looked at a map? Its a regional thing. I took Wisconsin, no problem there, but when you look at how many sitcoms took place in the chicago/milwauki area its humungous. I'd say its pretty easily justified myself.

Limiting myself by Wisconsin only benefits me anyway, so why the fuss?

:nono: :rant:

:nono: :rant:


What are you shaking your dainty little finger at?

I almost took Norton in the first round

I would have taken the world as my location, leaving only Homeboys from Outer Space for everyone else.

4.2 - Geoffrey (Fresh Prince of Bel Air)- Butler - This category is going to be dominated by characters from before the 90's, if not far before. Geoffrey is a modern, hip in his own way, butler. A good Butler not only keeps an immaculate house, but gets in a good barb here and there on the family without them even knowing it.

4.2 - Geoffrey - Butler - This category is going to be dominated by characters from before the 90's, if not far before. Geoffrey is a modern, hip in his own way, butler. A good Butler not only keeps an immaculate house, but gets in a good barb here and there on the family without them even knowing it.


Umm....who?

Very nice butler pick.

Who is he? I have no clue, seriously.

Man, butler is a deeper position than I thought originally.

Umm....who?

Does the edit help?

3.11 - Marsha Brady - Sister - Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!!

Great value, IMO, at 3.11. The Mike Brady pick was OK, but I thought Marsha should be the first Brady off the board. Especially when the voter demographic skews so heavily toward men.

Who is he? I have no clue, seriously.

http://www.linternaute.com/television/serie-tv/dossier/prince-de-bel-air/images/goeffrey.jpg

Umm....who?

No doubt.

http://www.linternaute.com/television/serie-tv/dossier/prince-de-bel-air/images/goeffrey.jpg

Ah! Nice pick!

Ahh yes, good pick. I honestly never knew his name, i just thought of him as the butler from fresh prince.

I never watched that show so I had no idea who he was either

hey brad!

Who's up? Tasan?

Wow, there's a ton more butlers out there than I thought - and my #3 pick for that category is still out there!

Samantha Stevens is the second pick I don't know - what show is she on? Also, I didn't immediately get Arnold, but that's only because I'm not used to hearing his last name. Nice pet pick, but my #1... by a lot... is still on the board. :)

EDIT: Frig, Bewitched! Got it. It didn't click for a while there.

4.3 Al Borland-Home Improvement - Best Friend of the Lead Character

Al and Tim had their arguments, but whenever Tim needed anything, Al was there for him, and vice versa. Al defines the perfect "friend of the lead" in that he's always there, with either help and love or a fitting zinger to put the lead in his place. Plus, you can't think of the show and not think of him.

Ronnie - thanks for the help with the pic ;).

Great value, IMO, at 3.11. The Mike Brady pick was OK, but I thought Marsha should be the first Brady off the board. Especially when the voter demographic skews so heavily toward men.

I was happily surprised to see her at 3.11. The clear #1 seed at sister imo, but if not #1 at least right up there with Kelly Bundy.

Samantha Stevens is the second pick I don't know - what show is she on?Bewitched.

Man, butler is a deeper position than I thought originally.

Yep, I still think there are a couple of good picks out there to be had in this category.

MrDNA - did you not have cable as a kid?! ;)

4.2 - Geoffrey (Fresh Prince of Bel Air)- Butler -
I would have waited and taken Rafael de la Ghetto in the wildcard category.

Nice choice!



pick coming up.

I could see a run coming up. Lathum, Maple Leafs, me, and larry are all online so the next 5 picks could be pretty quick.

I could see a run coming up. Lathum, Maple Leafs, me, and larry are all online so the next 5 picks could be pretty quick.

you spoke to soon

Oh come on...most famous female in the history of television, and she had little Ricky! What does she need to do? Breastfeed on the air?

I'm just starting to catch up on this thread but completely agreed. She was a mother and she is one of the greatest comedic characters ever with true lasting power. I think she was a solid #1 pick.

I'm just starting to catch up on this thread but completely agreed. She was a mother and she is one of the greatest comedic characters ever with true lasting power. I think she was a solid #1 pick.

Too bad that's his only pick so far :)

I'm just starting to catch up on this thread but completely agreed. She was a mother and she is one of the greatest comedic characters ever with true lasting power. I think she was a solid #1 pick.

That's like picking.. erm.. I don't want to talk about shows that haven't been brought up.. But, sure, Lucy had a kid. But her character was nothing about being a mother.

Lucy is definitely the most famous female TV character of all time.

She is not a TV mom.

TV moms are like pornography, you know it when you see it.