View Full Version : Coldplay...a bunch of hacks
rowech
12-05-2008, 05:57 PM
The lawsuit Satriani has brought is going to really knock Coldplay down. They ripped his music off and really weren't even bashful about hiding it.
B & B
12-05-2008, 06:04 PM
Is Satriani the guy who did "I like cold beverages"
samifan24
12-05-2008, 06:06 PM
Didn't some other artist recently file a plagiarism suit against Coldplay, too?
I just listened to both songs on Youtube and, while the melodies do sound similar, especially at one certain point, I'm not sure this is "really [going to] knock Coldplay down."
Deattribution
12-05-2008, 06:11 PM
I really doubt this is going to bring Coldplay down. It happens a lot in music, and I wouldn't say they 'weren't bashful' about it. It's extremely easy to play something, or play off of something you've heard before without ever really thinking about it. They could have intentionally done it, but the similarities aren't quite 'Ice Ice Baby' proportions.
Not to mention, people like Timbaland have made their whole careers off stealing other people's material.
Hurst2112
12-05-2008, 06:35 PM
I bet Satch gets some money.
Huey Lewis lost against Ray Parker Jr.
The Verve lost against The Stones.
Matthean
12-05-2008, 06:42 PM
As much as I don't get into Coldplay and like Joe, I think Joe is going to have a hard time with this one. The part is certainly there, but probably not enough for a case.
Matthean
12-05-2008, 06:43 PM
Didn't some other artist recently file a plagiarism suit against Coldplay, too?
Creaky Board for the same song oddly enough.
Anthony
12-06-2008, 09:16 AM
Huey Lewis lost against Ray Parker Jr.
other way around.
Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".
I'll take "Useless Music Trivia" for $800, Alex.
Anthony
12-06-2008, 09:19 AM
i used to LOVE Coldplay, now i just like them. they're too full of themselves. i'm tired of Chris Martin. i think i heard he's thinking of retiring or disbanding or something. i heard his collaboration with Kenye West ("homecoming" i think it's called) and i didn't like it. if he's leaving Coldplay to put out shit like that then no one will remember Chris Martin 10 years from now or he'll be David Lee Roth in about a decade. fucking doofus, thinking just cuz he struck it big with Coldplay that everything he touches in life is gonna turn into gold.
Toddzilla
12-06-2008, 09:20 AM
I don't usually buy into these lawsuits, but I heard a clip of the original from the "other artist" don't know his name, and thought it was a studio recording or a demo of the Coldplay song - I mean it was practically identical.
As if that wasn't enough, the guy that;s suing (not Satriani) produced pictures from one of his pub gigs 2-3 years ago with the Coldplay front man in the audience.
Busted.
Anthony
12-06-2008, 09:25 AM
yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:
"I'm 31 now and I don't think that bands should keep going past 33. So, we're trying to pack in as much as possible. Up until the end of next year, we'll just go for it in every sense.
"I don't believe in time off. We've still got most of our hair, we can still fit into our musical trousers and we've got to make the most of that."
kcchief19
12-06-2008, 09:57 AM
other way around.
Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".
They settled out of court although it's never been said how much Parker paid Huey and the News. I still don't really buy the plagiarism charge to a certain degree. The movie's producers when to Huey Lewis and wanted them to do the theme because they wanted the sound of "I Want a New Drug." Other than the fact that the songs have a similar repetitive beat, that's it. Huey Lewis pretty much was claiming The News had a copyright on repetitive beats.
The only damning part was that the producers went to Huey Lewis first. If they hadn't, I don't think the suit would have ever been filed. Can you imagine the lawsuits we'd have if artists were suing each other for using similar beats?
Anthony
12-06-2008, 10:07 AM
They settled out of court although it's never been said how much Parker paid Huey and the News. I still don't really buy the plagiarism charge to a certain degree. The movie's producers when to Huey Lewis and wanted them to do the theme because they wanted the sound of "I Want a New Drug." Other than the fact that the songs have a similar repetitive beat, that's it. Huey Lewis pretty much was claiming The News had a copyright on repetitive beats.
The only damning part was that the producers went to Huey Lewis first. If they hadn't, I don't think the suit would have ever been filed. Can you imagine the lawsuits we'd have if artists were suing each other for using similar beats?
it's not the fact that they're "similar repetive beats", it's the fact that Who You Gonna Call uses essentially the exact beat AND melody. pop in I Want A New Drug and you can sing Who You Gonna Call over it. that's different than just having similar beats.
funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.
PineTar
12-06-2008, 10:07 AM
I wish someone would make an entire album of Joeplay mashups. I really kind of like the combo.
Anthony
12-06-2008, 10:19 AM
funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.
proof in the pudding:
White Room
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Tales of Brave Ulysses
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Matthean
12-06-2008, 10:32 AM
yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:
Which sounds more like his heart isn't in it versus 33 being some magical number for a band to quit.
Matthean
12-06-2008, 10:38 AM
funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.
There was a infamous mashup of Nickleback songs done side by side to show just how much of a hack the band was. Neither band sued themselves and thus that's why neither case got that well known. CCR vs. John Folgerty, however, did get press since he was being sued for basically ripping off himself via his old band mates.
Ryan S
12-06-2008, 10:46 AM
yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:
According to Rolling Stone he has no plans to break up the group.
On the Road With Coldplay : Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/24617025/on_the_road_with_coldplay)
But as they hang backstage, reports are bouncing all over that they're about to break up: Martin, 31, told a British newspaper that he was treating 2009 as Coldplay's final year. But he didn't quite mean it: He explains that Coldplay have the ambitious plan of recording and releasing a Viva la Vida follow-up next year (they hope to work again with the production team of Brian Eno and Markus Dravs), and setting an end date is meant to keep them focused.
"We're proceeding as if it's our last, because it's the only way to proceed," Martin says. "You've got to have deadlines, you know. What that means is we're going to pour everything we can into next year and not think beyond that. We always say that and we always mean it. But every time we say it, someone writes that it's over. I don't think we'll ever split up, but we have to do a lot before we're 33."
Passacaglia
12-06-2008, 01:15 PM
Ping: George Harrison
Anthony
12-06-2008, 03:22 PM
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Anthony
12-06-2008, 03:29 PM
LOL!!!
i found this comment in one of the youtube clips:
Chris Martin stated it was not plagiarism because
1. Could not have been him at Creaky Boards concert as was working in London that night.
2. The song was a work in progress for 7 months prior to that time.
3. Song was stolen from 2004 Joe Satriani song and not from Creaky Boards.
Butter
12-08-2008, 07:03 AM
i'm tired of Chris Martin. i think i heard he's thinking of retiring or disbanding or something.
It would be interesting to see Chris Martin disband.
ISiddiqui
12-08-2008, 07:42 AM
OTOH, I think having two bands claim that Coldplay ripped them off works in Coldplay's favor. Basically the beat is common enough that it could have come from more than one source.
Hurst2112
12-08-2008, 08:39 AM
other way around.
Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".
I'll take "Useless Music Trivia" for $800, Alex.
dang. that means I'm 10,000,000-1 with my music trivia.
Hurst2112
12-08-2008, 01:14 PM
As much as I don't get into Coldplay and like Joe, I think Joe is going to have a hard time with this one. The part is certainly there, but probably not enough for a case.
Sorta telling:
2 musician and engineer forums I belong to have this going in Joe's favor. We all seem to agree that the similarities are pretty spot on in terms of melody. Not saying that is the right answer.
PineTar
02-09-2009, 01:17 PM
Plagiarism - Grammy Approved! (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5180EP20090209?feedType=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true)
lordscarlet
02-09-2009, 02:00 PM
Is Satriani the guy who did "I like cold beverages"
G. Love & Special Sauce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Love_and_Special_Sauce)
Karlifornia
02-09-2009, 02:52 PM
Sorta telling:
2 musician and engineer forums I belong to have this going in Joe's favor. We all seem to agree that the similarities are pretty spot on in terms of melody. Not saying that is the right answer.
Joe should post his phone number on here and challenge Chris Martin to a fistfight.
Ryche
02-09-2009, 07:03 PM
I honestly thought Coldplay was doing an English cover of that Alizee song the first time I heard Viva La Vida.
sabotai
05-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Cat Stevens is now jumping on the bandwagon.
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/music/article/im-suing-coldplay-76407
sabotai
05-08-2009, 01:57 PM
dola,
Youtube video with all 4 songs for comparison
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larrymcg421
05-08-2009, 02:01 PM
Won't Coldplay have to pay U2 before they pay anybody else?
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