This is such a crazy story .. per PFT.com

FISHER FEARED FOR YOUNG
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 9:49 a.m.

The situation in Tennessee has gone from odd to bizarre to downright freaky.

On Monday night, Titans coach Jeff Fisher became worried about Young because he left his home abruptly at 7:30 p.m. and because he seemed “emotionally down” and left his cell phone behind.

Fisher eventually tracked Young down, and they met at 12:30 a.m. at the team’s facility. Also present at the meeting, per WKRN in Nashville, were police officers.

After the meeting, Fisher called the whole thing a misunderstanding. Unnamed sources told WKRN that concerns about Young’s state of mind were unfounded.

Even if that’s true, the mere fact that Fisher developed such concerns about Young strongly suggests that some serious stuff has been happening behind the scenes in Tennessee, and that Sunday’s sideline incident very well could be the beginning of the end of Young’s career with the Titans, and possibly with any other NFL team.

In addition to being booed at home during the regular-season opener and then initially refusing to take the field after throwing his second interception, Young reportedly will miss two-to-four weeks with an MCL injury.


MORE DETAILS ON YOUNG SITUATION
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 11:28 a.m.

Terry McCormick of the Nashville City Paper has additional details regarding last night’s strange events involving Titans quarterback Vince Young.

Per McCormick, “[f]riends and associates” of Young called coach Jeff Fisher regarding Young’s emotional state, and Fisher called police at 7:00 p.m. local time.

He was located four hours later and met with Fisher at the team’s headquarters. Per WKRN-TV, police were present for the meeting as well.

“Given the totality of the circumstances, a bulletin was issued to all on-duty officers to be on the lookout for Young’s vehicle,” Metro police spokesman Don Aaron said. “Police negotiators were also placed on stand-by not knowing what his emotional status was.”

Aaron also acknowledged that “Young had been emotionally [sic] all day when he abruptly left his Williamson County home without his cellphone and sped away.”

We’re still confused as to why police negotiators would have been notified based merely on the fact that Young was missing, and this fact lends credence to rumors that some sort of incident occurred, possibly at the team’s facility.

Now add in that he had to be talked into going back into the game Sunday, plus the talk of how he almost retired after his rookie year, and it makes me think there is something not right with VY.

something is wrong with players from Texas. Seriously.

Wow! Link?

ProFootballTalk.com (www.profootballtalk.com)

maybe that horrible test score he got on the Wonderlic shouldn't have been ignored.

i blame it all on Alge Crumpler. wherever he goes - QBs implode.

I'll blame it on Alge Crumpler as well.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/football/nfl/specials/preview/2006/photos/falcons.jpg

WARNING: keep this guy away from your QB's.

Part of this probably goes back to Mack Brown and his inability to prepare players for actual criticism and failure.

maybe that horrible test score he got on the Wonderlic shouldn't have been ignored.

Perhaps so... Guy gets a 6 on Wonderlic and apparently is a mental mess? Well, let's just say that doesn't sound all too shocking.

This is just the Madden Curse taking its time.

This is just the Madden Curse taking its time.

This seems to be the most likely scenario IMO.

Perhaps so... Guy gets a 6 on Wonderlic and apparently is a mental mess? Well, let's just say that doesn't sound all too shocking.

i wonder if we could look at past test scores and see if there's any correlation between low scores and erratic behavior. what did Vick get on his? what about Adam Jones? i know the Wonderlic isn't so much a personality test as it is a test to guage capacity to absorb huge amounts of info. or am i wrong. its just maybe that score should've realyl raised red falgs and maybe his erratic time in the NFL shouldn't be such a surprise.

Didn't he almost retire after his rookie season anyways?

I'd wager to guess he's bipolar or some sort and has never been diagnosed or sought treatment because that would be deemed "weak" for a football player.

oh, and this thread should be merged with the monthly NFL thread

Part of this probably goes back to Mack Brown and his inability to prepare players for actual criticism and failure.

FTW.

Mack Brown's program theory of "family" isn't so much like a real family as it is a coddlefest. If you think about it, the only Texas player in Mack's tenure that has done a bangup job of dealing with criticism is Chris Simms. Simms was around that kind of thing as a kid because he got to hear the typical crap thrown at his dad, who was a Super Bowl champion QB. So Simms got used to it, knew how to handle it by watching his dad, and has been by far the best able to handle the situation after leaving Texas.

The rest of the former Longhorns aren't on the same planet in this regard. What's going on with Vince is that he's acting like a baby and he's not used to people calling him on it. Coming back to Texas for his jersey retirement last week probably didn't help as it just reminded him of the coddled God status he enjoyed here. Which, to be honest, he probably deserved in Austin. But Brown and staff do not prepare kids for what happens after Austin.

It sucks that he'll never progress in the NFL like he could have, but the red flags are way too obvious at this point. I'll be amazed if he turns it around. I don't think he's gotten all that much help at the WR postition, for example, but there's still no excuse for his behavior. Just explanations like above.

Fortunately for me, I don't really give a shit about the NFL and he'll still just be the guy that brought us the first national championship of my lifetime. :D

i would say its a shame, but its not. children starving in africa is a shame. a QB who can't handle the problems and pressure that multi-millions come wit' isn't a shame.


where can one find more info on how Texas coddles its players?

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Didn't he almost retire after his rookie season anyways?

I'd wager to guess he's bipolar or some sort and has never been diagnosed or sought treatment because that would be deemed "weak" for a football player.

I'd guess undiagnosed mental illness, too. Reminds me of Ricky Williams with the Saints before his social anxiety disorder diagnosis.

The normal caveats about not being a doctor but having stayed at a Holiday Inn apply.

where can one find more info on how Texas coddles its players?

I don't know where you can find more info, but I lived in San Antonio from '03 to '07 and its common knowledge in that area. The story that goes with Selvin Young going undrafted is that he supposedly fumbled a punt on the first day of senior bowl practices, got yelled at by a coach, and promptly walked off the field.

While Norm Chow was OC of the Titans I remember hearing an interview with him where he alluded to the fact that Vince Young will get defensive, start whining, and blaming others when things start going bad.

oh, and this thread should be merged with the monthly NFL thread

Are you a board moderator? Not trying to be a wise-ass just a serious question.

As a Titans fan Young has been a huge disappointmnet along with the wasted top 5 pickin the draft for Pacman who is now wearing a Cowboys uni and VY th eTitans are quickly heading the franchise to disaster. They have been lucking with the stellar defense. As for Young I think he will never amount to much as a player but I truely hope the guy gets some help he sounds like a real emotional mess. I hate to see this story turn tragic.

Are you a board moderator? Not trying to be a wise-ass just a serious question.


Nope, I just find certain mods decisions hypocritical :)

We'd have post counts and avatars if i was a mod ::p

Nope, I just find certain mods decisions hypocritical :)

We'd have post counts and avatars if i was a mod ::p

you still would be angry. only admins can make those kinds of changes.

I forgot to mention that while Young's behavior lately has been terrible, this particular incident is a joke.

A guy went out for a ride and left his cell phone at home. BFD. Sounds like he was hanging out with some chick that got all scared when he took off. I admit there may be some thoughts as to his overall behavior lately, but this one still doesn't seem like it should have gotten as big as it did. Lots of people take off for a drive when they want some time alone to think.

Mack Brown's program theory of "family" isn't so much like a real family as it is a coddlefest.


Totally agree with you sir.



Chris Simms handled it and handles it well



So totally disagree with you sir.

Inside Vince Young's mind:

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So totally disagree with you sir.

Give an example of a way that Simms has handled criticism poorly. Do not blame Simms for ways that Mack Brown handled criticism of Simms poorly.

It's an old debate that good friends should not get into here. Just a perception I have over the course of a career.

Every day that goes by makes Houston's draft that year look better and better...

Inside Vince Young's mind:

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....wow. Not sure why, but I watched that whole thing. Very...interesting...

Every day that goes by makes Houston's draft that year look better and better...

+1

It's an old debate that good friends should not get into here. Just a perception I have over the course of a career.

That's fine if you don't want to get into it. But that second sentence sounds an awful lot like you don't have any examples.

Nope, I just find certain mods decisions hypocritical :)

We'd have post counts and avatars if i was a mod ::p

We don't have post counts? I see them. When did those come back anyway?

I forgot to mention that while Young's behavior lately has been terrible, this particular incident is a joke.

A guy went out for a ride and left his cell phone at home. BFD. Sounds like he was hanging out with some chick that got all scared when he took off. I admit there may be some thoughts as to his overall behavior lately, but this one still doesn't seem like it should have gotten as big as it did. Lots of people take off for a drive when they want some time alone to think.

I find it funny that you can't find one NFL or Titans source who don't see this as a "BFD." Only people connected to Texas.

We don't have post counts? I see them. When did those come back anyway?

they must be right next to the delete thread function :)

Apparently he missed a mri yesterday.. and missed the rescheduled one today.. i'm wondering if he isn't faking his injury

something is wrong with Texas. Seriously.

Fixed it for ya... ;)

Inside Vince Young's mind:

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Except for the words being spelled properly that's probably about right.

i'm wondering if he isn't faking his injury

I suspect you may not be the only person wondering that.

My Way - Sports News (http://sports.myway.com/news/09102008/v0837.html)

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -The mother of Titans quarterback Vince Young said he's "hurting inside and out" and indicated he doesn't want to play football.

Felicia Young said in Wednesday editions of The Tennessean that her son is tired of all the negativity he's faced after being booed during a 17-10 win Sunday over Jacksonville. On Monday, Titans coach Jeff Fisher called police to help find him.

"What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?" Felicia Young said "He may not want to deal with it (all), but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

"But we're not talking about football right now. We're talking about what would make him happy, and that is the most important thing."

The phone number for Young's home is unlisted, and his agent, Major Adams, did not answer his cell phone Wednesday morning. The Titans did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press. ... His mental state has been in question since being booed Sunday after his second interception during the Jacksonville game. He didn't want to go back into the game until prodded by Fisher.

He sprained his left medical collateral ligament four plays later and could be out for up to four weeks. Fisher said Tuesday night he is only ruling Young out for Sunday's game at Cincinnati. ...

Is the the result of someone who has been pampered his whole life because he was good at something and now that he is facing some challenges, he is ill equipped to handle criticism?

Is the the result of someone who has been pampered his whole life because he was good at something and now that he is facing some challenges, he is ill equipped to handle criticism?

Could be....

Is the the result of someone who has been pampered his whole life because he was good at something and now that he is facing some challenges, he is ill equipped to handle criticism?


+a very large number

People should start to use this as an example of why every kid, even those on a losing team shouldn't be celebrated as a champion. Don't coddle my kids, I don't want them to go all Vince Young later in life.

I hate Donovan McNabb with all of my heart, but if there's someone who could talk some sense into Vince Young, it would be him. McNabb has had to deal with a lot in his NFL career from the moment he was drafted (booed because Philly fans wanted Ricky Williams...see how that turned out). Maybe some mentorship from another QB in a similar situation would help.

I hate Donovan McNabb with all of my heart, but if there's someone who could talk some sense into Vince Young, it would be him. McNabb has had to deal with a lot in his NFL career from the moment he was drafted (booed because Philly fans wanted Ricky Williams...see how that turned out). Maybe some mentorship from another QB in a similar situation would help.


He could just walk across the locker room and talk with Kerry Collins who had his own issues earlier in his career and battled back from that.

Didn't Steve McNair get ragged on a lot when he was younger? You'd think they could get him to come in and have a talk with Young, unless he still hates everyone in the organization for how he departed...

Wow. If he is so mentally weak that he can't take some booing he should just retire now and do something else.

yeah, this may not be a good career for him.


just cuz your hands don't shake uncontrollably doesn't mean you're a good candidate to be a surgeon. the talent is just one factor - mental is also important. just like how if you don't stutter doesn't mean you're meant to be a salesman. this probably isn't for him, no matter how agile and athletic he is with a football in his hand.

Wow. If he is so mentally weak that he can't take some booing he should just retire now and do something else.

yeah, this may not be a good career for him.


just cuz your hands don't shake uncontrollably doesn't mean you're a good candidate to be a surgeon. the talent is just one factor - mental is also important. just like how if you don't stutter doesn't mean you're meant to be a salesman. this probably isn't for him, no matter how agile and athletic he is with a football in his hand.

Yup, even many of the diehard Young apologists are starting to come off the VY coolaid and see this is a failed experiment. I see we picke dup Chris Sims which could mean we are going to start grooming him to take over from Collins by mid season.

Didn't Steve McNair get ragged on a lot when he was younger? You'd think they could get him to come in and have a talk with Young, unless he still hates everyone in the organization for how he departed...

He was actually in town for the game for some kind of (10th year in Tenn?) cleebration.

....wow. Not sure why, but I watched that whole thing. Very...interesting...
That was awesome. WTF did that come from?

That was awesome. WTF did that come from?

Diseased minds.

I was hoping this was about something more to this. Maybe that he wanted to become a horticulturist, or a librarian or somesuch. No, he wants to quit because people are mean.

Seriously, Vince, grow up.

I think VY was the perfect candidate to sit on the bench for at least a year and learn the game before starting. He struggled learning at the college level until his system was simplified for him. I'd say Pro ball has been too complicated for him, and with all the other stuff he has had going on since the Rose Bowl, he just isn't learning.

That doesn't mean he deserves a pass, but if guys like Pacman and Chris Henry get 50 chances, VY who has been a decent citizen up to this point deserves a chance to work through it. The best thing the Titans could do is shut him down for the year, take some of the pressure off him for a while and let him learn.

I'll always have fond memories of when he singlehandedly beat "The Greatest College Football Team Ever" (according to ESPN). And if he is bipolar, I hope he gets the treatment he needs. IIRC, that's something that can pop up into a real problem around this age.

Bipolar. Is that the catchall excuse for immaturity or bad behavior in celebrities? I mean, everyone reported that Britney Spear had to be bipolar but since January, there hasn't been any reports on that.

Bipolar. Is that the catchall excuse for immaturity or bad behavior in celebrities? I mean, everyone reported that Britney Spear had to be bipolar but since January, there hasn't been any reports on that.


Actually, I think it is the new adult-sized ADD.

Maybe he should go to Dallas, cuz he definitely needs to COWBOY UP!

It hit me last night that Vince Young's backup and mentor is Kerry Collins. Remember, the quy who walked into Dom Caper's office in 1998 and asked out of the starting lineup, that ultimately led to him getting cut? The issues with Vince make me wonder how much Kerry really learned from that experinece...

It hit me last night that Vince Young's backup and mentor is Kerry Collins. Remember, the quy who walked into Dom Caper's office in 1998 and asked out of the starting lineup, that ultimately led to him getting cut? The issues with Vince make me wonder how much Kerry really learned from that experinece...

Actually word is that Kerry though his locker is right next Vince's doesn't speak with him much and keeps to himself more. He, Collins the other day talked at length about his past difficults adnhow he was able to overcome them. Wwhen asked if he shared his story with Young befor eto try to help him along he said he had not.

The police report says that Vince was suicidal...

ESPN - Fisher reached out to police because therapist said Young mentioned suicide - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3584636&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tennessee Titans called police for help searching for Vince Young because his therapist told coach Jeff Fisher the quarterback mentioned suicide several times before driving away from his home with a gun.

Both Fisher and Young have said what happened Monday night was overblown by the media. But the supplemental report filed Tuesday by Nashville police showed that Fisher was worried what his quarterback might be doing after the call from Young's therapist.

"I asked him, 'What made her worry about him?' " Lt. Andrea Swisher wrote. "He stated, 'His mood, his emotions, he wants to quit, and he mentioned suicide several times.' He went on to state that he left the house with a gun."

I thought suicide worries were the pretty obvious undertones to this whole story.

Demetrius Underwood.

I thought suicide worries were the pretty obvious undertones to this whole story.

+1

I thought suicide worries were the pretty obvious undertones to this whole story.

Same here - especially once they talked about the police being called by his mother.

I don't want to be the guy that downplays this, but come on Vince, step outside the box and look at what you have. I would trade myself to be in your shoes at any time!

I don't want to be the guy that downplays this, but come on Vince, step outside the box and look at what you have. I would trade myself to be in your shoes at any time!

Mental illness isn't cured at a certain income bracket.

Mental illness isn't cured at a certain income bracket.

+1. This guy seems like he's got a serious mental illness, not just celebrity whining problems. Bash him all you like for his on the field play - I go to UT, and I never thought he'd be any good in the NFL, and he's lived that out. However, he definitely seems like he needs some help.

Here's the flip side to the comments that he's mentally weak - what would have happened to him at any point in his life after his amazing gifts at football were discovered, if he had decided that he just didn't want to play? How nice would our society, as a whole, have been to that guy?

Mental illness isn't cured at a certain income bracket.

I understand that, I'm just saying it's hard to see how truly good you have it sometimes.

I understand that, I'm just saying it's hard to see how truly good you have it sometimes.

Depending upon what sort of mental/emotional illness someone is dealing with, it's not just hard it's more like impossible.

one of my motto's is "don't feel bad for millionaires". don't cry for him, argentina. if he couldn't run with a football like a gazelle or throw a bomb in the air with a cannon arm no one would care about Vincent Young. there's many people who have the same emotional difficulties as Young has, but weren't given the same opportunities to go to UT like Young was cuz they'll never be able to run as fast as him or lead a football team to a win like he could. who's feeling sorry about those people? who feels sorry about about the guy who couldn't get into UT cuz even though he had better grades than Vince or could do more with a college degree than Vince he couldn't afford to go to college? we feel sorry for the wrong people.

fuck Vince Young. i don't care if he commits suicide. he's had his chance. with his assets he could afford the best in therapy and mental healthcare. and i'm sure he doesn't have every friend and family member in his support system. all this drama just cuz he can throw a fucking football. what a world we live in.

one of my motto's is "don't feel bad for millionaires". don't cry for him, argentina. if he couldn't run with a football like a gazelle or throw a bomb in the air with a cannon arm no one would care about Vincent Young. there's many people who have the same emotional difficulties as Young has, but weren't given the same opportunities to go to UT like Young was cuz they'll never be able to run as fast as him or lead a football team to a win like he could. who's feeling sorry about those people? who feels sorry about about the guy who couldn't get into UT cuz even though he had better grades than Vince or could do more with a college degree than Vince he couldn't afford to go to college? we feel sorry for the wrong people.

fuck Vince Young. i don't care if he commits suicide. he's had his chance. with his assets he could afford the best in therapy and mental healthcare. and i'm sure he doesn't have every friend and family member in his support system. all this drama just cuz he can throw a fucking football. what a world we live in.

Listen, we get that for you, this whole "I'm an edgy hard-core" type bit seems touch - to everyone else though, you come off as always as a complete douchebag.

I typically agree with the general message that HA puts accross in his messages, and this time is no different. I don't agree with the crazy over the edge part where he is always just a hair short of bringing Hitler into the equation, but the general message I'm on board with. Don't feel sorry for him just because he is a pro athlete.

fuck Vince Young ... with his assets he could afford the best in therapy and mental healthcare.

I didn't realise that it was possible to buy your way out of an illness. Thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't realise that it was possible to buy your way out of an illness. Thanks for clearing that up.

its very possible. they have the ability to afford the finest in personal healthcare and can afford to have many people supporting them and taking care of the things that everyone else needs to do on their own. yet everyone else can somehow make it through the day without suicidal thoughts after a hard day at their 9-5. and let's face it, if you're in, say, sales and your entire livelihood is riding on the next sale in terms of commission and job security - that's a reason for depression and high anxiety. but not being able to handle boos in week one of a long football season cuz you threw a stupid interception in a stupid game?? if only we all had the luxury of that being the biggest concern we all had at our jobs. newsflash - Vince Young can laugh all the way to the bank cuz if even he throws a 100 INTs he'd be cut but he'd still be a millionaire.

Young, the No. 3 overall pick out of Texas, agreed to a five-year deal, with an option for a sixth, with $25.7 million guaranteed and an overall value that could reach $58 million with option and roster bonuses and salary.

The contract includes a $12.3 million option bonus due next March, a $2.365 roster bonus due this year and six years of guaranteed salary totalling $11.075 million, for guaranteed money totalling $25.74 million, ESPN.com's Michael Smith reports. There's a one-time bonus of $4.1 million Young can collect should he play in 35 percent of the Titans' snaps this year or 45 percent in any other year.



...and apparently not a dime spent on helping him with his anxiety and inability to handle adverse situations. at the end of the day, the boy was given a lot. free ride to a great university (and, considering what his Wonderlic score was let's just say if he couldn't hit a 20 yard out perfectly i don't think his SAT scores were gonna get him a scholorship), multiple millions of dollars that will take care of him for the rest of his life and for this entire family and most likely extended entourage, access to experts in sports medicine for any injuries and ailments he may have, and the ability to afford top notch specialists in the event he ever had mental issues, which he apparently does have. that's a lot for one guy. i mean, how much more does he need that if he has a problem - any problem - he can't get access to the very best in their fields to assist him in recovering? i'm sorry, you're not gonna find my shoulder a welcome place to cry on, Vince.

its very possible. they have the ability to afford the finest in personal healthcare and can afford to have many people supporting them and taking care of the things that everyone else needs to do on their own. yet everyone else can somehow make it through the day without suicidal thoughts after a hard day at their 9-5. and let's face it, if you're in, say, sales and your entire livelihood is riding on the next sale in terms of commission and job security - that's a reason for depression and high anxiety. not being able to handle boos in week one of a long football season cuz you threw a stupid interception in a stupid game. if only we all had the luxury of that being the biggest concern we all had at our jobs. newsflash - Vince Young can laugh all the way to the bank cuz if even he throws a 100 INTs he'd be cut but he'd still be a millionaire.



...and apparently not a dime spent on helping him with his anxiety and inability to handle adverse situations. at the end of the day, the boy was given a lot. free ride to a great university (and, considering what his Wonderlic score was let's just say if he couldn't hit a 20 yard out perfectly i don't think his SAT scores were gonna get him a scholorship), multiple millions of dollars that will take care of his for the rest of his life and for this entire family and most likely extended entourage, access to experts in sports medicine for any injuries and ailments he may have, and the ability to afford top notch specialists in the event he ever had mental issues, which he apparently does have. that's a lot for one guy. i mean, how much more does he need that if he has a problem - any problem - he can't get access to the very best in their fields to assist him in recovering? i'm sorry, you're not gonna find my shoulder a welcome place to cry on, Vince.

This all assumes that some forms of depression aren't due to a severe chemical inbalance that have nothing to do with how much money, how much stress, or how much financial hardship someone has. Of course, there is a great deal of evidence that some forms of depression are caused by neurotrasmitter inbalances and have nothing to do with any of the factors that you mention and can't be treated just by having money. Some people have treatment resistant depression that doesn't respond to any of the medications.

so Vince Young, interviewed by countless pro scouts and other types of personnel specialists, possibly could have some type of untreatable depression that has gone undetected all these years, despite being in the public eye for the last 6 or so years and being heavily scrutinized during the NFL Draft in 2006 whose only job is to screen prospective future employees for not only their physical abilities but also their abilities to handle stress. that would be a very convenient way to explain all this, wouldn't it? all neatly wrapped up in a box with a bow on top.

I'm having trouble deciding who to agree with on the topic of mental illness. EF or HA.

I'll mull it over tonight.

Many forms of mental illness do not start to manifest themselves until men are in their 20's. For women, they sometimes do not manifest until their 30's.

its just very convenient that Vince Young's "mental illness" manifested after being booed once he threw his 2nd interception.

i'm just saying.

i know these people didn't beat USC in a major bowl game, but if you got room to feel concerned for Vince then you got room to feel concerned to these people after what Hurricane Ike did to their lives:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/weather/09/13/hurricane.ike.texas/t1wide.aftermath17.ap.jpg

Yep, NFL Scouts have never missed the ball on nut jobs.

Has anyone seen Barrett Robbins recently?

Yep, NFL Scouts have never missed the ball on nut jobs.

Has anyone seen Barrett Robbins recently?

Nice. Way to keep spreading the stigma there.

Potential chemical imbalances aside. People adapt to their surroundings, its what humans do. Shallow thinking will lead you to believe that people in "good situations" should never have a reason to feel bad.

But more or less, everyone sits in the median on the emotional spectrum, no matter their lot in life, and they all hurt the same when what they've adapted too changes for the worse.

Course, it's just easier to say "fuck the rich yo! I'm real!".

i know these people didn't beat USC in a major bowl game, but if you got room to feel concerned for Vince then you got room to feel concerned to these people after what Hurricane Ike did to their lives:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/weather/09/13/hurricane.ike.texas/t1wide.aftermath17.ap.jpg

Or I can decide that they make might make more money than me and say "Fuck you" to them too.

Listen, we get that for you, this whole "I'm an edgy hard-core" type bit seems touch - to everyone else though, you come off as always as a complete douchebag.

+1

so Vince Young, interviewed by countless pro scouts and other types of personnel specialists, possibly could have some type of untreatable depression that has gone undetected all these years, despite being in the public eye for the last 6 or so years and being heavily scrutinized during the NFL Draft in 2006 whose only job is to screen prospective future employees for not only their physical abilities but also their abilities to handle stress. that would be a very convenient way to explain all this, wouldn't it? all neatly wrapped up in a box with a bow on top.

Look at Cutler in Denver he had an undiagnosed case of Diabetes that the scouts didn't know about.

Demetrius Underwood.

I'm thinking John Amaechi

Look at Cutler in Denver he had an undiagnosed case of Diabetes that the scouts didn't know about.

yes, but then he contacted liberty medical and got his testing supplies fo' free

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Inside Vince Young's mind:

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Hmmm, what is this muff the young girl desires?

And where can I get one of those Idols?

So PFT is reporting Young may have gone missing again on Friday.

This isn't ending well.

Another thing we noticed at work. All the black guys are saying he just forgot his cell phone, no big deal, overblown, and all the white guys are saying he has mental problems that need to be addressed. I have no idea why there is such a racial split on the subject, as it has no relevance that makes much sense. Vick was another where this happened.