I did not see a thread on this yet, so I decided to start my first thread ever in my seven and a half years of existence here on FOFC. For this very special Survivor season, which starts tonight, we have Fans vs. Favorites! 10 ordinary schmoes(or paid hollywood recruits) vs. 10 experienced survivors from past seasons. I've taken the liberty of breaking down the field since I'm a loser and have no life.

For the Fans we have...

Alexis- Looks pretty cute and she's a sports junkie!
Chet- Probably a loser.
Erik- Shaun White's long lost brother.
Jason- He might be fairly interesting.
Joel- This guy's a firefighter so watch out for him.
Kathleen- Bleh.
Mary- Finally something worth looking at.
Natalie- Gross.
Tracy- Old, but looks pretty good.
Mikey- Looks like a douchebag.

For the Favorites we have...

Ozzy- Awesome.
Yau Man- Even more Awesome.
Pavarti- Meh.
Jonathan- Interesting character.
Johnny Fairplay- Stupid pick. He'll be the 1st one gone.
James- Village idiot.
Eliza- Don't even recognize her.
Cirie- Couldn't they get better people for this?
Ami- Who?
Amanda- So hot. Looks like she got a breast enhancement, or it's just an old pic.

Should be a great season but people like Ozzy, James, Johnny, and Yau Man are easy pickings early on so it might suck. Actually, I'm not gonna lie to you. This season is probably gonna suck pretty bad. Can't be any worse than last season though with Denise and Courtney getting to the final 4. What a joke that was, am I right or am I right?

Glad you said something. My biggest annoyance with Survivor is that they freakin technically change the name of the show every season so I have to re-program TiVO. I missed the first episode last season because of that crap.

I'll be watching...

Parvati is the hotness

Jas_lov = jbmagic.

Should be a great season but people like Ozzy, James, Johnny, and Yau Man are easy pickings early on so it might suck. Actually, I'm not gonna lie to you. This season is probably gonna suck pretty bad. Can't be any worse than last season though with Denise and Courtney getting to the final 4. What a joke that was, am I right or am I right?

I thought last season was pretty fun to watch actually. Todd and Amanda were big time gamers and Courtney and James were very entertaining.

I thought last season was pretty fun to watch actually. Todd and Amanda were big time gamers and Courtney and James were very entertaining.

It was ok I guess, but there weren't very many good players. Amanda was good until the final 4 where she blew it. Courtney was just a tag along. James was entertaining, but he was an idiot. Denise was just taking up space. This season should be better with some of the favorites they got like Yau Man and Ozzy plus Amanda and James from last season.

And I'm not jbmagic. That guy couldn't even write a complete sentence.

LAst season was just so/so.

I am curious how things will work out early on with the favorites tribe. I think they will initialy have the advantage since they will know better how to pace themselves, I just wonder if any of them are going to be too cocky at first.

One of the biggest mistakes that players often make is to have a pre-set strategy. To win the game, you have to have a flexible strategy based on the players in the game.

I'll also be interested to see if alliances fall in a male vs. female alignment or a fans vs. regulars alignment. Generally, it's a male vs. female alignment.

It's all about the alliances for the "favorites". Do the Ozzy's and James's of the world work together figuring they'll fight it out at the end, or do the "strong" players split up trying to take each other out? You really can't make any guesses how it goes without seeing how the alliances start to fall.

It's all about the alliances for the "favorites". Do the Ozzy's and James's of the world work together figuring they'll fight it out at the end, or do the "strong" players split up trying to take each other out? You really can't make any guesses how it goes without seeing how the alliances start to fall.

I think there's too many strong-willed people amongst the returning favorites. I'd expect them to butt heads quite a bit and try to bring in some of the fans to build an alliance to knock out the other favorites.

Umm... sorry thread title... but... spoilers are strongly unwelcome. Why would anyone thoroughly enjoy a spoiler?

Umm... sorry thread title... but... spoilers are strongly unwelcome. Why would anyone thoroughly enjoy a spoiler?

+1. And if you must post spoilers or something that could be considered spoilerish, please use the spoiler tag.

Ozzy/James is like the greatest combo ever

By spoilers I mean talking about the show once it's over. For instance, if your wife makes you watch the SAG awards instead so you TIVO Survivor and haven't seen the most recent episode yet, DON'T COME IN THE DAMN THREAD! I think that's common sense, but someone always gets pissed off about it. We're going to be talking about the show, so stay out if you aren't caught up with the most recent episode.

Now if you know something about a future episode, then I agree, put it in a spoiler tag.

Jas_lov = jbmagic.

Thankfully jb wasn't a Packer fan, or I might believe you and go bang my head against the wall until I don't remember being a Packer fan.

By spoilers I mean talking about the show once it's over. For instance, if your wife makes you watch the SAG awards instead so you TIVO Survivor and haven't seen the most recent episode yet, DON'T COME IN THE DAMN THREAD! I think that's common sense, but someone always gets pissed off about it. We're going to be talking about the show, so stay out if you aren't caught up with the most recent episode.

Now if you know something about a future episode, then I agree, put it in a spoiler tag.

I guess I'm ok with that logic.

This thread may continue.

last season i almost quit watching the show when the twist came in that had aaron and james switched to the shitty tribe....i will be equally as pissed if, halfway through this game, they suddenly redraft the tribes so some of the fans are on the same team with the favs....up until the merge that is.

And I'm not jbmagic. That guy couldn't even write a complete sentence.

Best part of the thread so far. ;)

last season i almost quit watching the show when the twist came in that had aaron and james switched to the shitty tribe....i will be equally as pissed if, halfway through this game, they suddenly redraft the tribes so some of the fans are on the same team with the favs....up until the merge that is.

I will be shocked if they don't mix up the tribes at some point before the merge.

I guess I'm ok with that logic.

This thread may continue.

+1

what a great start...that was freaking awesome!!!!

That Fairplay guy is a knob. Though after hearing about his woman on Stern this morning I can understand why he wanted to go. A month later, when she was 8 months pregnant, they had a three-some.

Good 1st episode. I correctly predicted Fairplay would be the first one gone. It was stupid to even bring him on the show in the first place and he won't be missed. The best part of the episode was when Yau Man shoved Fairplay's head into the boat and captured the immunity idol. Ozzy is a good player, but he needs to keep his head on straight and not get too distracted by the scenery.

Good 1st episode. I correctly predicted Fairplay would be the first one gone. It was stupid to even bring him on the show in the first place and he won't be missed. The best part of the episode was when Yau Man shoved Fairplay's head into the boat and captured the immunity idol. Ozzy is a good player, but he needs to keep his head on straight and not get too distracted by the scenery.

Yau-Man shoving Fairplay was the best.

Yau-Man shoving Fairplay was the best.

that is what i was refering to above...totally made my night

I correctly predicted Fairplay would be the first one gone. It was stupid to even bring him on the show in the first place and he won't be missed.

The interesting thing is that both of the alliances seemed to really want him in their alliance and that no one was looking to vote him out out of the tribe until he basically asked to be voted out of the tribe.

Exactly. He's an idiot. Goes all the way out there and 3 days later he decides to go home. What a waste of a favorite contestant. It could have been interesting had he gone further and kept manipulating people. I thought he'd be the 1st one gone, but didn't expect it'd be on his own accord.

"Is gay okay, or homosexual?"

"I've never been friend with a homosexual man before"

"I'd never seen implants before"

"well, not up close"





That lady is an absolute fruitcake :D

FM

I was dissapointed to see Jonny go. He makes it entertaining. I would much rather see the very unwatchable Eliza go.

Good ep last night and I was glad the fans won the challenge. I was really thinking that the favorites would have a big advantage over the fans since none of the fans had ever been there before. There's a big difference between watching something on TV and actually doing it.

I'm saddened that Amanda is:

A) not needing her ass blurred out
B) Screwing Ozzie

Nice to get rid of Fairplay early. What a flake. Jeff looked shocked when he asked for a hug, since there is bad blood between the two.

I had never heard of this Fairplay dude until I saw this. I guess Danny was right?

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Is Micronesia anywhere near Absentia?

It's in the capitol of the Land of Porcupine Trees.

Glad that scumball is gone, and glad Yau-Man shoved him into the boat and got the immunity idol from him. :) One of my favorite Survivor moments ever.

Not surprised the fans won really-they were really up for that first challenge while Eliza (ouch that had to hurt) seemed to be the only one really up for it with the favorites.

I had never heard of this Fairplay dude until I saw this. I guess Danny was right?

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Yes, and you get to see his new choppers. Or did get a chance, because he's not only a douche, but a pussy as well.

CAn't believe he quit.

Glad that scumball is gone, and glad Yau-Man shoved him into the boat and got the immunity idol from him. :) One of my favorite Survivor moments ever.

Not surprised the fans won really-they were really up for that first challenge while Eliza (ouch that had to hurt) seemed to be the only one really up for it with the favorites.

she may have seemed up for it, but did she actually do anything? i think Eliza is about as useful as a proof reading service from JBMagic.

I'm saddened that Amanda is:

A) not needing her ass blurred out
B) Screwing Ozzie

C) Got fake boobs

By spoilers I mean talking about the show once it's over.
Considering how easy it is to find real spoilers (i.e. find out who wins two months before the final episode airs), and how eager some people are to post that information as soon as they find it, maybe a subject edit would be a good idea.

As far as episode one, I think it's pretty clear that Fairplay had no intention of actually playing the game. He was there to remind the D-list celebrity world that he exists, and was obviously hoping to change his image to reformed family man for a shot at another 15 minutes. Of course, he wasn't even a good enough actor to pull it off convincingly. Good riddance.

I'd change the title if I could, but I don't have that power for some reason. Anyway, I think people will realize that I was just talking about being able to speak freely regarding the most recent show. Someone always complains about it so that's what I meant. If you know something about who wins or a big secret about a future show, use the spoilers tags or you'll have to deal with me.

Jas- Go to edit on the first post then advanced, then you can change it from there

It's done. Thanks Lathum. Spoilers are now possible, not welcomed.

MAYBE KILLING THE ALL-CAPS APPROACH WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TOO...


:)

A little bit of a threadjack here. I watched the Pearl Islands episodes online (had never seen that season before) and I must say Lillian is probably the most annoying Survivor of any of the seasons I've ever seen.

A little bit of a threadjack here. I watched the Pearl Islands episodes online (had never seen that season before) and I must say Lillian is probably the most annoying Survivor of any of the seasons I've ever seen.

was she the chick in the boy scout uniform the whole time? i wanted to kill her every week.

was she the chick in the boy scout uniform the whole time? i wanted to kill her every week.

Yes, and she was pathetic. One of the worst, if not the worst, final two.

Yes, and she was pathetic. One of the worst, if not the worst, final two.

she was an embarassment to the Boy Scouts...she didnt know how to do a single thing that I consider elementary scouting, and she was annoying as hell. easily my most hated player ever.

Whoa, the big dude has a brain.

What was perplexing is that The Giant organized that whole backdoor of Mary and then voted for Tracy! But it was a good plan. It's usually best to blend in with the crowd though. If he starts taking over, they'll turn on him. But now he may have gained some favor with the 3 misfits because he saved them.

I think Capt. Caveman is a dope. WAY too early to start trying a powershift - it was the first frickin tribal council for crying out loud. Pissing off the guy who's clearly the smartest player isn't a good idea. And does he really think he'll be able to go back to the beach and claim "Uh, *I* didn't vote her off, dude," and think he'll get away with it?

All he accomplished IMO is plant a giant target on his back. Doesn't matter if he goes next week or the week before the final tribal, he's done being a finalist.

This season confirms it: I really like Jonathan. On the other hand, I thought James was smarter than he's been portrayed at this point. I knew Ozzie was a horndog, but then again with Amanda...

On the other tribe Chet seems the most annoying. He must have some hidden talents to keep him there.

I think Capt. Caveman is a dope. WAY too early to start trying a powershift - it was the first frickin tribal council for crying out loud. Pissing off the guy who's clearly the smartest player isn't a good idea. And does he really think he'll be able to go back to the beach and claim "Uh, *I* didn't vote her off, dude," and think he'll get away with it?

All he accomplished IMO is plant a giant target on his back. Doesn't matter if he goes next week or the week before the final tribal, he's done being a finalist.

This is the first time I've really watched Survivor, so I don't know much about what is good strategy or not, but I totally agree with this. He's the common link between all of the people who voted for Mary, so it's coming back to him even if he voted for someone else as a cover. And at this stage in the game, a 2-person "alliance" doesn't seem like a huge advantage at all - especially when it seems based more on attraction than gameplay.

All the moron did was talk about how he wanted to take down the guy who thought he was running the show, and now he's replaced that guy with himself. HE'S now the moron who thinks he's running the show. And I'm not sure how good a player Mary was, but at this stage, I'd think it's more about keeping the team strong than worrying about power plays. That guy is as dumb as he looks.

I think Capt. Caveman is a dope. WAY too early to start trying a powershift - it was the first frickin tribal council for crying out loud. Pissing off the guy who's clearly the smartest player isn't a good idea. And does he really think he'll be able to go back to the beach and claim "Uh, *I* didn't vote her off, dude," and think he'll get away with it?



there you have it, stupid move this early in the game. I wonder how he'll feel when mister homosexual man friend screws up another challenge and doesn't even care to run because, well, it's so tough to swim and run...

FM

I think he mistook massaging his ego for gameplay. He was mighty proud of himself for knocking the other guy down a peg, but ultimately, all he did was screw himself.

love all the tits falling out of bathing suits

I like the Luke Wilson celebrity-impersonator guy. I think he'll come out of this double cross just fine...ultimately though, I think the fans are toast.

love all the tits falling out of bathing suits

I saw your post in the AI thread. If you're looking for tits falling out of things, I'd stick with Survivor. Better odds. You might also want to check out Paradise Hotel 2, since they are showing some nudity on the 1am airing.

I saw your post in the AI thread. If you're looking for tits falling out of things, I'd stick with Survivor. Better odds. You might also want to check out Paradise Hotel 2, since they are showing some nudity on the 1am airing.

who isn't looking for tits?

live idol titage would be fantastic

If I was on the show, and somebody stepped in and wanted to be the leader -- fantastic! I am more than happy to let someone else become the target and then ambush him when the time comes.

who isn't looking for tits?

live idol titage would be fantastic

I would love to see that, just for the hilarity of it. It's not like you'd get to see anything.

Remember when that soap actress lost her top on Dancing with the Stars? That was probably as good as it gets. Speaking of which, the new cast gets announced on Monday. Some of the rumored contestants make it sound like a geriatic version.

I agree with the consensus that the Caveman power move was dumb, but I sure enjoyed the look on the face of the guy who thought he was in control at tribal council - priceless!

i agree with everyone that said Joel made a bad move...the whole voting for tracy thing is actually making it even worse becasue all the people that are gonna say "well i voted mary because Joel said so" are gonna be pissed when he says "but i voted tracey"

i also think he is screwing up royally with the yelling at people routine...that wont be tolerated for very long

any thoughts as to why the favorites chose Ceri?

I agree with the consensus that the Caveman power move was dumb, but I sure enjoyed the look on the face of the guy who thought he was in control at tribal council - priceless!

So easy a caveman could do it.

I hate Cirie, period the end.

ditto although it's on right now for the Mountain time zone folks. I'm guessing that the favorites have to vote someone out tonight.

I hate Cirie, period the end.

She just painted a huge target on her back. I was hoping both factions of four would team up to vote her ass out. Maybe next week.

Cirie is a bitch. Yau Man is so much better than she is. Cirie might be thinking that she can get to the final 5 and become the swing vote yet again to get to the final 3. The girls have no chance of beating James or Ozzy in a final vote though so Cirie, Pavarti, and Amanda would have to team up to vote those 2 out. Hopefully she's gone much sooner though, preferably next week.

Jonathan and Cirie's argument at tribal is why we watch Survivor. Two people not backing down both making (for the most part) valid points. Epic stuff. Can't blame Cirie for wanting to take down a real threat instead of knocking off a weak teammate, cause lets face it, if she wasn't just the swing vote and people actually wanted to align with her, everyone would be gunning to take out her big ass, literally trimming the fat

Shorty, I don't see any reason to spoiler tag that.

The show is over and no spoiler tags are necessary unless you know something about future episodes. They should have taken out Cirie. Don't let her coast to the final 5! Hopefully James and Ozzy won't let her keep calling the shots. They just need to get rid of Eliza and then they'll have a clear 4-3 majority to take Cirie out! She shouldn't have even been invited in the first place.

Shorty, I don't see any reason to spoiler tag that.

Better safe than sorry. I acc. clicked this thread watchin Idol live and taping Survivor, and then clicked out quickly realizing Survivor was on... if I were to accidentally read some shit i would have been devastated! So I don't want to ruin anyone's late viewing. heh.

The show is over and no spoiler tags are necessary unless you know something about future episodes. They should have taken out Cirie. Don't let her coast to the final 5! Hopefully James and Ozzy won't let her keep calling the shots. They just need to get rid of Eliza and then they'll have a clear 4-3 majority to take Cirie out! She shouldn't have even been invited in the first place.

I'm guessing they probably wanted to get the five most memorable post all-stars women (excluding Stephenie since she already placed twice). I heard they offered Amanda's spot to both Courtney and PG before they finally offered it to Amanda so I don't they think they were trying to get the best five males and best five females.

She just painted a huge target on her back. I was hoping both factions of four would team up to vote her ass out. Maybe next week.

tru dat. I don't know why she got so greedy.

Wow, through three weeks this is an incredible season. Hope it keeps up. Jonathan is just absolutely great television. Jonathan types never actually win Survivor (Todd was probably the closest but he wasn't this combative)... but I'm really hoping he at least goes deep in the game. Doesn't look great at the moment though.

But man, never seen this much hard-core gameplay so early in the season. Jonathan vs. the newly evil Cirie 2.0. Great stuff. Just too bad poor Yau-Man had to go down as the innocent victim of the crossfire.

Cirie is a bitch. Yau Man is so much better than she is. Cirie might be thinking that she can get to the final 5 and become the swing vote yet again to get to the final 3. The girls have no chance of beating James or Ozzy in a final vote though so Cirie, Pavarti, and Amanda would have to team up to vote those 2 out. Hopefully she's gone much sooner though, preferably next week.

She put a target on herself, but she was the only one in the group that ended up voting for Yau-man tht made any sense. Yau-man has shown he's a person you can't overlook and exactly the type of person you need to get rid of early on.

One of the things that a lot of Survivor fans end up doing is complaining that so and so should be taken out early on or they're going to win it. It happens eveyr season. She did exactly what someone in her position should have done and took Yau-man out. There's probably not a person on either team that could beat him in the end, so I give her a ton of credit for recognizing a threat and taking him out before its too late. Unfortunately, the alliance she's with is full of idiots that wanted to take Eliza out when they could just as easily take her out at the next tribal council.

Whoever ends up winning should send a thank you note to Cire after its all over.

Better safe than sorry. I acc. clicked this thread watchin Idol live and taping Survivor, and then clicked out quickly realizing Survivor was on... if I were to accidentally read some shit i would have been devastated! So I don't want to ruin anyone's late viewing. heh.

Us West Coasters thank you for the spoiler tag.

One of the things that a lot of Survivor fans end up doing is complaining that so and so should be taken out early on or they're going to win it. It happens eveyr season. She did exactly what someone in her position should have done and took Yau-man out.

I dunno, Survivor history hints that it's really not a good idea to let a showmance pair hang around for too long. When there's TWO showmances, I would argue that that is a threat much larger than Yau-Man, and should be dealt with ASAP. Especially if one of them (Parvati) gives you nothing in the challenges.

I dunno, Survivor history hints that it's really not a good idea to let a showmance pair hang around for too long. When there's TWO showmances, I would argue that that is a threat much larger than Yau-Man, and should be dealt with ASAP. Especially if one of them (Parvati) gives you nothing in the challenges.

Thats absolutely true, thats why I believe getting rid of Mary last week was actually a good move. Cutting Mikey off at the knees before he took control was brilliant, the excecution by Joel wasn't so brilliant.

Cire decided that she couldn't trust Jonathan and Yau-man and if thats the way she felt, then I can see her siding with the other group. Once that was done, Yau-man was the only logical choice to vote off from the other group. Eliza can go at any time. Jonathan's bluntness keeps him from being a real threat.

Eliza can go at any time.

I suppose so, but it seems to me this would have been a good time -- in the team portion of the game, with Eliza being useless in challenges and Yau-Man being pretty good. It's funny how tribes differ in this respect. Some seasons you really see the hardcore "vote out the weakest for the team," and other seasons are extremely individually-oriented from day one. This season we've seen the latter on both sides. It does make for much better television in the pre-jury phase, at least.

I dunno, Survivor history hints that it's really not a good idea to let a showmance pair hang around for too long. When there's TWO showmances, I would argue that that is a threat much larger than Yau-Man, and should be dealt with ASAP. Especially if one of them (Parvati) gives you nothing in the challenges.


Exactly. One of those two couples is going to Rob and Amber their way to the top. Jonathan knew it. James was right about his group being dumbasses and Cirie is the biggest one, literally.

You can just as easily get Yau Man out the next week too. You've got the numbers anyway. Keep Yau Man, get rid of Eliza. You keep people like Jonathan and Yau Man for the challenges, get rid of Eliza then Cirie, and remain strong. After you cut the weaklinks, you cut Yau Man and Jonathan before the merge so they don't conspire against you later on. You've lost 2/3 immunity challenges to a team that has just four good competitors and five misfits so you need all the strength in the challenges that you can get.

Here's the flaw in voting Yau-Man out last night: why would you ever, ever send him to Exile Island? You have the power to not send him if you win and the other team would just as likely not send him. As said above, he's surprisingly good in challenges.

I think Cirie thought she could become the power player by being the swing vote so she made Ozzy and James vote her way. I think that she thought that she could trust Parvati and Amanda (stupid of her to think that) since they gave her their word. Remember that she tried to get that out of Jonathan and he just wouldn't commit. She asked him if he would vote Yau-Man out before her and he wouldn't answer her.

She saw Yau-Man and Jonathan being a team, like the other couples. I can see why she would want to break up that pair and establish her power base with the foursome.

Things never work out when people start "getting real" with each other on Survivor. They will fracture and die.

Exactly. One of those two couples is going to Rob and Amber their way to the top. Jonathan knew it. James was right about his group being dumbasses and Cirie is the biggest one, literally.

You can just as easily get Yau Man out the next week too. You've got the numbers anyway. Keep Yau Man, get rid of Eliza. You keep people like Jonathan and Yau Man for the challenges, get rid of Eliza then Cirie, and remain strong. After you cut the weaklinks, you cut Yau Man and Jonathan before the merge so they don't conspire against you later on. You've lost 2/3 immunity challenges to a team that has just four good competitors and five misfits so you need all the strength in the challenges that you can get.

James is a moron. He's totally being played by Parvati. If they both go far, she will backstab him. There's really only one couple right now and that's Ozzy and Amanda.

James is a moron. He's totally being played by Parvati. If they both go far, she will backstab him. There's really only one couple right now and that's Ozzy and Amanda.

And this is what Cirie is banking on. She thinks that the girls will turn on their boy toys in the final 5 because neither of them will beat Ozzy or James. Pavarti and Amanda may think this as well and paint Cirie as a tag along in the final 3 tribal. Nobody in their right mind would ever think that Cirie is the ultimate survivor, so Pavarti and Amanda would duke it out for the million. Maybe they conspire to get rid of the guys earlier, but for now I think that's the plan and I'm sticking to it until next week.

I really hope the tribal switch next week is not random and is instead something like a draft where you have to pick a member from the other team who is of the opposite sex. Otherwise, a bunch of people are going to get screwed.

This is not a spoiler if you have seen the preview for next week.

Well just when you thought the Fans couldn't get any dumber, they go and vote out one of their few competent players.

And just when you thought Ozzy couldn't get any more awesome, he goes and dominates another water challenge and finds the immunity idol with ease. And I really hope some idiot plays that fake idol.

I really hope the tribal switch next week is not random and is instead something like a draft where you have to pick a member from the other team who is of the opposite sex. Otherwise, a bunch of people are going to get screwed.

This is not a spoiler if you have seen the preview for next week.

If that switch screws over the good players like James, Amanda, and Ozzy, that would be a travesty. Just because the Fans are stupid and made their team unbalanced doesn't mean they have to ruin it for everybody. I'd rather see the Favorites dominate until the merge than see the good players get screwed while Joel and his ragtag bunch of misfits live to lay around in the ocean another day.

Well just when you thought the Fans couldn't get any dumber, they go and vote out one of their few competent players.

And just when you thought Ozzy couldn't get any more awesome, he goes and dominates another water challenge and finds the immunity idol with ease. And I really hope some idiot plays that fake idol.

I thought the scene with Ozzy was interesting because I don't remember seeing a congratulations note with the idle. Isn't there usually some sort of note included with it?

Ok, Big Bad Beefcake might be the dumbest Survivor of all-time. How easily can one man be persuaded? What a fool. Now he MUST go next time, he's too much of a loose cannon. Which means that's another week with the Weak Trio staying... that's ridiculous.

BTW, glad glad glad someone deserving like Oz secured the Idol.

Ok, Big Bad Beefcake might be the dumbest Survivor of all-time. How easily can one man be persuaded? What a fool. Now he MUST go next time, he's too much of a loose cannon. Which means that's another week with the Weak Trio staying... that's ridiculous.

BTW, glad glad glad someone deserving like Oz secured the Idol.

That tribe was screwed from the start. They have 2 of the weakest players in the show's history and they're playing against an experienced tribe. On top of that Mikey started making obvious power moves early on which forced the other player's hands.

Dumb move by Mikey at the start.

Dumb move by Joel to vote him off.

Dumb move putting these two tribes against each other.


Like I said, dumb for Joel to vote Mikey off, but Mikey has no one to thank for it but himself. He made two obvious mistakes in trying to present himself as the alpha male at the start and then openly showing he had a thing for Mary.

Stupidity all around.

...good players like James, Amanda, and Ozzy...
Why is Amanda considered a good player? She played a horrible game in China. She made it to the end, but did so in a way that made it impossible for her to actually win. Todd played her like a fiddle the whole game.

She seems to have learned and so far isn't making the same mistakes, but at the same time she seems completely outclassed in her tribe.

Ok, Big Bad Beefcake

Did Shorty just out himself?

DOLA, is it just me or is James a different person this time out? He was great last season, but this one he seems to be pretty annoying and smug. Has he come out of his shell or was he always this way and it was hidden before by editing?

Why is Amanda considered a good player? She played a horrible game in China. She made it to the end, but did so in a way that made it impossible for her to actually win. Todd played her like a fiddle the whole game.

She seems to have learned and so far isn't making the same mistakes, but at the same time she seems completely outclassed in her tribe.

First of all, she should have won in China. She didn't play a horrible game. She made one big mistake and that was not getting rid of Todd before the final 3. She also couldn't construct very good arguments at the final jury vote. Todd out argued her big time. Amanda is a tough physical competitor for a chick and she is one of the few players on there who have made it all the way to the finals.

And by good players, I also mean good to watch as well as game play. Ozzy, James, and Amanda are my favorite people to watch on this show and I'm sure others agree. I'd hate to see them go while people who treat the game like a day at the beach get to stay.

And shame on you for taking something that I said in a spoiler and pulling it out into the open. Please read the thread title which says that spoilers are possible, not welcomed.

Why is Amanda considered a good player? She played a horrible game in China. She made it to the end, but did so in a way that made it impossible for her to actually win. Todd played her like a fiddle the whole game.

She seems to have learned and so far isn't making the same mistakes, but at the same time she seems completely outclassed in her tribe.

Actually Amanda was the one responsible for getting people to vote James out while keeping him in the dark about it. She actually played pretty well from that point on until the tribal council where she was abysmal.

DOLA, is it just me or is James a different person this time out? He was great last season, but this one he seems to be pretty annoying and smug. Has he come out of his shell or was he always this way and it was hidden before by editing?

He did show a bit of this last season with the weaker people and when he got moved over to the other tribe. I thought it was pretty funny though that he was the one to figure out the word scramble.

The Fans are doomed, well they were at least until the preview for next week. Kudos to Tracy though for the power move to save someone who should have been gone from the first vote because she needed him given the numbers in the tribe. A big thumb down to Joel and the others who fell for her "logic." I think if Joel was not in this game, neither Mary nor Mikey would be gone from this tribe right now.

First of all, she should have won in China. She didn't play a horrible game. She made one big mistake and that was not getting rid of Todd before the final 3. She also couldn't construct very good arguments at the final jury vote. Todd out argued her big time. Amanda is a tough physical competitor for a chick and she is one of the few players on there who have made it all the way to the finals.
She would have lost to any of the final five in the jury vote. Not eliminating Todd was her largest mistake, but it wouldn't have really mattered. Todd played her in such a way that she did all his dirty work for him. By the end everyone on the jury disliked her.

And shame on you for taking something that I said in a spoiler and pulling it out into the open. Please read the thread title which says that spoilers are possible, not welcomed.
Read what I quoted and tell me how it was a spoiler. I removed almost all of it down to a single line of text where you called three players good. Knowing who think is good gives no information that could possible spoil anything. Please explain to me how that is a spoiler and I'll consider feeling shameful.

She would have lost to any of the final five in the jury vote. Not eliminating Todd was her largest mistake, but it wouldn't have really mattered. Todd played her in such a way that she did all his dirty work for him. By the end everyone on the jury disliked her.


Read what I quoted and tell me how it was a spoiler. I removed almost all of it down to a single line of text where you called three players good. Knowing who think is good gives no information that could possible spoil anything. Please explain to me how that is a spoiler and I'll consider feeling shameful.

No no no no no! How can you sit there and say that Amanda would have lost to the likes of Courtney, Denise, and PiGi? If she would have been able to make good arguments, she could have won! Todd was her only competition after James was blindsided and I thank Thomkai for bringing that up. Todd was a good player and out maneuvered her at the final jury.

You could have just replied to the spoiler and kept it hidden. You left the part about the good players getting screwed so now the people who didn't watch the preview will think something is up. I said before that if you know something about a future episode, keep it in a spoiler tag! You violated that rule, but I accept your apology.

Todd played her in such a way that she did all his dirty work for him. By the end everyone on the jury disliked her.

It was the complete opposite. Nobody knew Amanda was doing anything. She was seen as Todd's errand girl. Todd was the one doing the dirty work, and as such it was kind of unprecedented that he actually won. Amanda played pretty well, but her social game could have been better, and as already stated, her final tribal council performance was a disaster.

No no no no no! How can you sit there and say that Amanda would have lost to the likes of Courtney, Denise, and PiGi? If she would have been able to make good arguments, she could have won! Todd was her only competition after James was blindsided and I thank Thomkai for bringing that up. Todd was a good player and out maneuvered her at the final jury..
Piggy or Denise would have won over Amanda easily. PiGi actually played pretty well... the early game was dominated by Jame's strength in challenges and that pretty much screwed her over from the start. That put her in a position of weakness that lasted throughout the whole game. Despite never having numbers she came within a single stupid decision by the lunchlady of actually winning. IMO she was the second best player after Todd. Denise probably could have won just on sympathy and because she never pissed anyone off (other than PiGi).

Courtney was similar to Amanda in that the way she played the game was well suited to get her to the final three but almost impossible for her to actually win.

Everyone knew Todd and Amanda were working together, but Amanda was the one who lied directly to people. No one really trusted Todd, but he didn't piss off people along the way like Amanda did (Denise and James most extremely).

NYou could have just replied to the spoiler and kept it hidden. You left the part about the good players getting screwed so now the people who didn't watch the preview will think something is up. I said before that if you know something about a future episode, keep it in a spoiler tag! You violated that rule, but I accept your apology.
*shurg*

The only thing I'm sorry about is that you can't constructively handle someone disagreeing with you. You should probably work on that.

Piggy or Denise would have won over Amanda easily. PiGi actually played pretty well... the early game was dominated by Jame's strength in challenges and that pretty much screwed her over from the start. That put her in a position of weakness that lasted throughout the whole game. Despite never having numbers she came within a single stupid decision by the lunchlady of actually winning. IMO she was the second best player after Todd. Denise probably could have won just on sympathy and because she never pissed anyone off (other than PiGi).

Courtney was similar to Amanda in that the way she played the game was well suited to get her to the final three but almost impossible for her to actually win.

Everyone knew Todd and Amanda were working together, but Amanda was the one who lied directly to people. No one really trusted Todd, but he didn't piss off people along the way like Amanda did (Denise and James most extremely).

PG would have beaten Amanda. Courtney and Amanda would have been a toss up without Todd. There is no way in hell Denise would have beaten any post merge player in China and that's including Jean-Robert. No one in the entire game respected her at all. Amanda played a great strategic game in China (probably better then Todd). Her problem was that she was way to quiet (something other players said about her) so no one really knew how good of a game she played other then Todd. She also had a horrible final tribal council performance.

Dola, Todd deserved to win China because he played a much better social game to Amanda, a very similar strategic game to Amanda, and had a superior final tribal council performance to Amanda. However, Amanda still played very well and deserved to be in the final three in China. That being said, they probably shouldn't have invited her to Micronesia since players who are quiet and intelligent don't exactly make for exciting TV for the average TV viewer on a show like Survivor.

Double dola.

Daimyo, did you watch the entire China season? I thought the editors gave the viewers the impression that Todd and Amanda made their decisions on who to vote out together and that everyone credited/blamed Todd as the reason why they were voted out.

I watched the whole season. My impression was that no one really trusted Todd, but they trusted Amanda. That got her in trouble because she would tell people she had their back only to vote them out. For that reason people on the jury hated her.

Its like they knew Todd would cheat them and respected that because it was part of the game, but with Amanda they took it personally when she cheated them. I think that was her fault though... if you know you won''t support someone don't convince them that you will because no good will come from it in most situations. Amanda and Todd were in agreement all along, but the response for each was totally different (respect for Todd, pissed off for Amanda)...

That's the most important part of winning the game though... you have to cheat almost everyone without them hating you for it. Todd did that by being upfront about it and pairing with someone likeable who would take the hear in the end... Amanda walked right into it without even realizing it.

I enjoyed the way the producers threw two puzzle-based challenges in there last week, trying to set up the obvious "we voted out Yau because he was smart and now we suffer for it" storyline... only to have the favorites solve them easily.

I enjoyed the way the producers threw two puzzle-based challenges in there last week, trying to set up the obvious "we voted out Yau because he was smart and now we suffer for it" storyline... only to have JAMES solve one of them easily.

more to the point

Joel just literally made Chet his bitch...felt a little bad, then I realized it's Joel's fault that Chet is even there. Karma?

I was pleased with how they mixed the tribes. I thought it was fair. Luckily, the fans had the first pick since Ozzy drew one of the captain rocks.

Malakal may have just made one of the dumbest tribal council decisions ever. You must have someone to somewhat counter James. Chet is worthless.


Not a spoiler if you live in EST or CST.

I was hoping that Ozzy's tribe would have been sent to the other beach, after he hid the idol before the tribe swap.

I was hoping that Ozzy's tribe would have been sent to the other beach, after he hid the idol before the tribe swap.

That thought crossed my mind as well. If he or James wasn't named captain, I wonder who Natalie would have taken with her first pick. Ozzy is arguably more valuable in challenges.

I was hoping that Ozzy's tribe would have been sent to the other beach, after he hid the idol before the tribe swap.

Ah, that would have been hilarious, I didn't think of that. I thought it was bad timing for him that he had just told a bunch of people about it before the mixup.

I liked that he got his in the end.

Watch out for tracy, she's a player

Assuming the editing didn't give her too much credit for what happened in tonight's tribal council, Cirie has now pulled off two major power plays. If she can somehow stick around long enough to get into the final 2, she may actually have enough credibility to win it.

Karma's a bitch, Joel!

I was ok with that move.

Ohbytheway, Alexis is kinda sexy.

Also, Oz lucked out - remember, he hid his Idol on the Malakal tribe before they got split up, he was lucky that he got to go back to that one.

Karma's a bitch, Joel!

I was ok with that move.

Ohbytheway, Alexis is kinda sexy.

I know some see it as karma coming back on Joel, but I'm really disappointed in Ozzy. I thought he was smarter than that. He just made the same mistake Joel made and has now watched twice as Cire has made power moves that changed the game.

Has anyone done as little as Chet and made it this far before? I can't recall someone giving up on multiple challenges, being as worthless as he is, and surviving this far into the game.

Didn't that girl scout lady get farther?

I know some see it as karma coming back on Joel, but I'm really disappointed in Ozzy. I thought he was smarter than that. He just made the same mistake Joel made and has now watched twice as Cire has made power moves that changed the game.

Has anyone done as little as Chet and made it this far before? I can't recall someone giving up on multiple challenges, being as worthless as he is, and surviving this far into the game.



Ozzy doesn't know it, but it was THEBESTMOVEHECOULDAMADE

Have you been watching? If Chet was to go, Joel would have been doing work to make sure someone like Ozzy was gone next week "for fear of losing power"

Ozzy doesn't know it, but it was THEBESTMOVEHECOULDAMADE

Have you been watching? If Chet was to go, Joel would have been doing work to make sure someone like Ozzy was gone next week "for fear of losing power"

With the teams getting mixed up, Joel had little power. The only person he had aligned with him was Erik. He was no threat and would have been much more useful on challenges than Chet. Ozzy could have easily taken out Chet, then Cire, then knocked Joel out because Joel would have had zero chance turning people against Ozzy.

Erik was completely in the dark for the voting and if he's smart he'll be looking to align with someone in a hurry. If Cire can pull him in she's going to be very dangerous player.

It doesn't really matter who goes home though, does it? Joel, Chet, Tracy, Erik. Favorites now have a 4-3 advantage. If they keep losing, they'll just keep eliminating the fans unless that bitch Cirie does something stupid. So, get rid of Joel before any possible merge and go into the merge with as many favorites over fans as possible.

When the other side loses though, Johathan and Eliza probably won't be as stupid as Cirie and Ami. Say goodbye to James and Pavarti.

It doesn't really matter who goes home though, does it? Joel, Chet, Tracy, Erik. Favorites now have a 4-3 advantage. If they keep losing, they'll just keep eliminating the fans unless that bitch Cirie does something stupid. So, get rid of Joel before any possible merge and go into the merge with as many favorites over fans as possible.

When the other side loses though, Johathan and Eliza probably won't be as stupid as Cirie and Ami. Say goodbye to James and Pavarti.


Let me ask you, do you think Cire is going to see a better chance with Chet, Tracy, and Erik or the rest of the favorites? Ozzy put the power in her hands. She is in complete control of that tribe right now.

The only thing Cirie is in control of is the tribe's food supply. I'm telling you, it doesn't matter which fan left as long as one of them left. Favorites have a 4-3 advantage and will pick the fans off one by one if necessary. Ozzy is probably thinking they'll never get rid of him before the merge. Not in a million years. Plus he's still got his hidden immunity idol if he feels Cirie trying to have her cake and eat it too. And God knows she'll eat it.

And I'm now rooting for Chet to win. He's playing the game the way it's supposed to be played. Do nothing to help around camp, exert minimum effort in the challenges, and just let the big shots tear each other apart. When it gets to the merge, he'll be well rested and can start dominating. Chet is gonna surprise some people. You just watch.

Atocep, sorry to sound the buzzer but you are wrong again.

Joel had little power until he floated out the inevitable "it's the only chance to blindside Ozzy" comment. Power granted.

Atocep, sorry to sound the buzzer but you are wrong again.

Joel had little power until he floated out the inevitable "it's the only chance to blindside Ozzy" comment. Power granted.

His chances of pulling that off against Ozzy would have been somewhere between slim and none. Worst case scenario would have been Ozzy being forced to play the immunity idol.

Joel had zero power and Ozzy bought into Cire's crap for the 2nd time. This puts Cire in a position where she knows that her, chet, and tracy are the weak players (she's already said as much) and she's going to make an attempt to pull in Erik. If she manages to do that she's in complete control there.

If Ozzy keeps Joel around he can knock out Chet, which increases their chances of actually winning a challenge every now and then, and destroys any chance of Cire pulling anything off. At that point Ozzy would have had his choice between taking Joel out then or going ahead and removing Cire.

Why oh why is Chet still there?

I believe Ozzy made the only play that he could. He knew that he would have to play the idol against Joel. It's better to keep it and make Cirie think that she's calling the shots. As you guys have pointed out, this is the second time that he's done what Cirie has asked. I think that this is a plan to bushwack her later on.

Ozzy's the biggest threat, not Cirie, especially with the individual immunity idol.

When it gets to the merge, he'll be well rested and can start dominating. Chet is gonna surprise some people. You just watch.

Are you kidding? Chet couldn't dominate any competition on Earth, with the possible exception of ass-scratching.

Didn't that girl scout lady get farther?Yep - final 2 IIRC...

It is indeed amazing that Chet is there, he's at least portrayed by the editing as a complete waste of space. I have to say though, they weren't completely bullshitting about whether it was better to have Chet or Joel around. Just being being big doesn't do you much, and his annoyance at Chet obviously was costing them in that last challenge. Pairing the two of them up in the harness was a bad idea, and Joel made it worse.

I think being big gets too much credit in the challenges, I don't think it often pays at all. It certainly may help around camp, but I'd take a lot of people over Joel any day to do a challenge.

Are you kidding? Chet couldn't dominate any competition on Earth, with the possible exception of ass-scratching.

Chet has the tribe right where he wants them. Maybe he'll even start putting a little more effort into things now that he's with a tribe that has food, as long as Cirie doesn't eat it all first. His main job now is to feed the chickens and clean out their cage and that's what he's focusing on. I think Chet is gonna make the merge, align with the other outcasts and misfits on the bottom of the scrap heap, and win it all.

His chances of pulling that off against Ozzy would have been somewhere between slim and none. Worst case scenario would have been Ozzy being forced to play the immunity idol.




Just like James did last year when he had 2 idols?

I think being big gets too much credit in the challenges, I don't think it often pays at all. It certainly may help around camp, but I'd take a lot of people over Joel any day to do a challenge.

Would Chet be one of those people?

It annoys me that the weak people keep making the statement that the strong ones haven't been winning challenges. The fact that the strong people can't overcome the ineptitude of the weak ones isn't a knock on the strong ones. Joel's badgering of Chet during the puzzle was shown as being negative to Joel, but we can't tell which of the two was screwing things up. Was Joel slowing things down, or was he trying to fix Chet's mistakes? We'll never know the answer to that one.

Just like James did last year when he had 2 idols?

And James is a good example of how to play the game?

Along with Survivor & TNA veteran Johnny Fairplay, recently eliminated contestant Joel "Truck" Anderson debuted on tonight's TNA Wrestling PPV.

Fairplay is apparently still close to Jeff Jarrett & TNA owner Dixie Carter is reportedly a big fan of the reality show, and Fairplay lobbied for Anderson to get a shot at a job. Anderson was trained for the past several weeks by Johnny "Rellik" Stamboli and Pat "Simon Diamond" Kenney.

Based on tonight's action, Anderson is playing a fan who gets into an altercation with Team 3D (aka The Dudleys).

I'm curious to see whether Chet can use his skill at politics and manipulation to stick around long enough to be the first contestant to die in his sleep.

It is indeed amazing that Chet is there, he's at least portrayed by the editing as a complete waste of space. I have to say though, they weren't completely bullshitting about whether it was better to have Chet or Joel around. Just being being big doesn't do you much, and his annoyance at Chet obviously was costing them in that last challenge. Pairing the two of them up in the harness was a bad idea, and Joel made it worse.

I think being big gets too much credit in the challenges, I don't think it often pays at all. It certainly may help around camp, but I'd take a lot of people over Joel any day to do a challenge.

that was a scene for the ages with Joel dragging Chet like a rag doll & then topping it off with the "I dont care" comment after Chet whined about hitting his head.

Would Chet be one of those people?

It annoys me that the weak people keep making the statement that the strong ones haven't been winning challenges. The fact that the strong people can't overcome the ineptitude of the weak ones isn't a knock on the strong ones. Joel's badgering of Chet during the puzzle was shown as being negative to Joel, but we can't tell which of the two was screwing things up. Was Joel slowing things down, or was he trying to fix Chet's mistakes? We'll never know the answer to that one.

No, Chet isn't one of those people. Still, I think people overstate how helpful someone like Joel is. He's strong, but he's not much of a team player, which is arguably the most important component of working on a challenge.

I agree, we can't tell who was right about the puzzle, but it's certainly possible Chet was, and Joel barking from the sidelines is an example of poor teamplay. Do your job on the challenge and let other people do theirs. All he did was distract people.

I agree, that weak challenge players can drag down strong ones (hah), but if a team consistently is losing challenges, chances are the strong players aren't playing that strong to begin with. What evidence do we have that Joel was any help in challenges (and I'm serious there, I wasn't paying enough attention in previous shows to know).

No, Chet isn't one of those people. Still, I think people overstate how helpful someone like Joel is. He's strong, but he's not much of a team player, which is arguably the most important component of working on a challenge.

I agree, we can't tell who was right about the puzzle, but it's certainly possible Chet was, and Joel barking from the sidelines is an example of poor teamplay. Do your job on the challenge and let other people do theirs. All he did was distract people.

I agree, that weak challenge players can drag down strong ones (hah), but if a team consistently is losing challenges, chances are the strong players aren't playing that strong to begin with. What evidence do we have that Joel was any help in challenges (and I'm serious there, I wasn't paying enough attention in previous shows to know).

How helpful Joel was compared to his size is certainly debatable, but there's no comparison between Joel and Chet. Chet was comletely lost on the first challenge of the season and quit on the way back, just a few feet from crossing the line and allowing the next player on his team to go. He also quit, or hit his head, on the last challenge.

Chet is the type of person (at least he way the editors have portrayed him) that can drag everyone around him down because of his personality, body language, and effort. If I were forced to choose between having Joel or chet on a challenge, I'd easily take Joel. If forced to choose between paraplegic monkey and chet for a challenge, I'd take the monkey easily.

I agree he's a waste, but I haven't seem him dragging down people on challenges. Given, I haven't seen it all and wasn't particularly paying attention to that. But my impression has been that he's a net zero. He doesn't do anything, which of course isn't helpful, but I haven't seen him getting in the way of other people or dragging others down.

Even that last challenge, where he was literally being dragged, that seemed more a result of Joel's frustration, and attitude, than Chet. Joel just came out of the gates looking to me like he already expected to lose because of Chet, and it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. I didn't feel like he gave Chet any chance there (although I'm not saying Chet would have done anything with a chance). Still, I think that pairing was a big mistake. Pair Chet up with someone willing to try to work with him and see what they can do. Even dragging Chet they came within one second from being able to win. Imagine what they could have done if Joel had stopped being pissed long enough to try to help Chet keep his feet?

I hate to come out looking like some Chet lover, though. I would have voted him out in an instant, and it's amazing to me that Natalie or whoever that chick is has convinced people twice in a row to vote out a top contender instead. If she sticks around that's got to be considered some fine play.

I just think it's funny how the tribe keeps saying they have to start winning challenges, so they need to make themselves stronger. Dropping the weakest link just makes you smaller, not stronger (unless, as you're positing, the weakest link is hurting you somehow). I think their real problem is they're not a strong team, from top to bottom. The way to start winning challenges is for the good players to start playing better, not to have less members.

I pipe in to correct two glaring errors mentioned very early on this thread that must be corrected. First, Amanda does not have fake boobs. They're the real deal. They only look bigger because people last saw skinny Amanda at the end of China. We're now seeing her start the game at her healthy weight. And we all know what that means. Leave her alone. I always stand up for the natural ones. I will not let silicone innuendo ruin the reputations of god's natural gifts to the world. I will stand and defend that to my dying days.

Second, the question was put as to why have Amanda on the show a second time if she played horribly and is quiet. Answer: see discussion above.

Carry on.

I agree completely with your sound points, Vinatieri. I think the third factor in Amanda's seeming enlargement is that she chose a better top this time. Since they spend much of the show wearing the same clothes, that makes a difference. Now that she's older and wiser she decided to choose something that emphasized her assets.

Here's a question about the Joel/Chet debacle: why were they running the last leg in the first place? They made it sound like each side could choose who to use, why wouldn't you use the pair of Ozzie and that other guy?

Second, the question was put as to why have Amanda on the show a second time if she played horribly and is quiet. Answer: see discussion above.


The fact that Courtney and PG turned down the change to play again certainly helped get Amanda back too.

Here's a question about the Joel/Chet debacle: why were they running the last leg in the first place? They made it sound like each side could choose who to use, why wouldn't you use the pair of Ozzie and that other guy?

I wondered that too and because of the fact that Joel/Chet were not only teamed together, but the last two to go, leads me to believe that the teams were influenced, it not chosen, by Probst or someone else.

I pipe in to correct two glaring errors mentioned very early on this thread that must be corrected. First, Amanda does not have fake boobs. They're the real deal. They only look bigger because people last saw skinny Amanda at the end of China. We're now seeing her start the game at her healthy weight. And we all know what that means. Leave her alone. I always stand up for the natural ones. I will not let silicone innuendo ruin the reputations of god's natural gifts to the world. I will stand and defend that to my dying days.

Second, the question was put as to why have Amanda on the show a second time if she played horribly and is quiet. Answer: see discussion above.

Carry on.

how exactly do you know they are real?

Yeah, I agree, they at least edited it to seem like it was inevitable that Chet was going to screw up this challenge, and having him run last, and teamed with Joel, seemed too good to be true for the producers.

how exactly do you know they are real?

Experience my man. Experience. And attention to detail. You must pay attention to them at all times, noticing their shape, hang, and jiggle in various stationary and moving positions, and varying stages of undress (including bikini shots which lends to very observable clues). With practice, it becomes fairly easy. Once in awhile, there are some tricky ones, but over time they can be deciphered.

In this case, Amanda's are quite easy to decipher, especially in the context of the active and physical challenges in the game. Trust a pro.

Experience my man. Experience. And attention to detail. You must pay attention to them at all times, noticing their shape, hang, and jiggle in various stationary and moving positions, and varying stages of undress (including bikini shots which lends to very observable clues). With practice, it becomes fairly easy. Once in awhile, there are some tricky ones, but over time they can be deciphered.

In this case, Amanda's are quite easy to decipher, especially in the context of the active and physical challenges in the game. Trust a pro.

so basically you have no idea like the rest of us

so basically you have no idea like the rest of us

Well, if you're asking for something more concrete like I felt her up the week before the show, then yes I am in the same boat as everyone else.

I would guess V4P is correct, those tats look pretty regular

I stand by the fake statement. They're not just slightly bigger from clothing, there is a dramatic change.

I'm gonna switch my vote from fake to real. Vinatieri seems to know his stuff. And I doubt she had a lot of time between China and Micronesia and I'm not sure getting a boob job would be on your list of things to do to prepare for another season of survivor.

I just want to reiterate my confidence in Chet's strategy. All he has to do is make it to the merge. Once he gets to the merge, he can team up with someone who needs another vote. Chet is not a big threat and when you get past the merge, who do you get rid of? The strong players who are threats in immunities and can beat you in a final tribal. After the merge, people will be begging to have Chet on their side as they say to themselves, "Are they really gonna give the money to that guy over me?"

There's something fundamentally wrong with a game where Chet is doing well.

Chet is this year's Courtney, except that if he sticks around long enough, he may develop boobs.

I just want to reiterate my confidence in Chet's strategy. All he has to do is make it to the merge. Once he gets to the merge, he can team up with someone who needs another vote. Chet is not a big threat and when you get past the merge, who do you get rid of? The strong players who are threats in immunities and can beat you in a final tribal. After the merge, people will be begging to have Chet on their side as they say to themselves, "Are they really gonna give the money to that guy over me?"

I fear that my sarcasm detector is broken, so I have to ask...are you being serious here? I can't even process the notion of Chet having a strategy. Seems like the only thing on his mind is preventing his skeletal structure from collapsing under the weight of his uselessness. I'm not even sure we've seen signs of sentient life from him. If he makes it to the end, it will have nothing to do with his strategy and everything to do with the eventual winner dragging his useless carcass along to act as a meat-shield.

I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Chet's goal is to make it to the merge. Who have been the people leaving early on? Strong, competent players who make too many maneuvers. Who will people want to keep around after the merge? Weak, incompetent players who do nothing strategy wise. That's where Chet comes in.

All Chet has to do is put a little more effort into the challenges so that he doesn't obviously cost them anymore immunities or rewards, but still act worthless around camp. Then he gets to the merge and becomes a typical weak straggler swing vote that a stronger alliance needs for an extra vote. He coasts to the final 5 and unleashes his true abilities, winning the last 2 immunities and proving his will to win.

Chet also needs to be friendly to people like Tina was when she beat the more hated and much more deserving Colby in the final 2. Colby was an idiot not taking the detested Keith to the final 2, but let's not get into that age old debate. It's a lot harder for the underdog to win in a final 3 though, but I have all the confidence in the world that Chet will shock everybody and get to the final 3.

He coasts to the final 5 and unleashes his true abilities, winning the last 2 immunities and proving his will to win.


Wha?

Yeah, it is comments like that which still make me check my sarcasm detector. Jas_lov may be the only person in America who thinks that Chet is employing some kind of strategy and is only faking uselessness. It is a nice dream...

I stand by the fake statement. They're not just slightly bigger from clothing, there is a dramatic change.

As I said, it's weight gain. From skinny at end of China to healthy weight at beginning of Micronesia. I'd also add that they were still bigger in China than you are recalling.

Regarding what has gone on so far this episode

Sad to see a great player like Jonathan leave the game due to injury. Also, the new Airai is absolutely dominating challenges. I like their tribe better so it hope it continues.

Would have been nice to have Joel around for that immunity challenge. Now we know why Chet has been so lethargic, he has an injured foot. Hopefully Chet doesn't get sent to the hospital like Jonathan. Now take out that bitch Cirie! Go Chet!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Chet could have engineered the greatest overthrow in Survivor history with his last dying breath. He just threw away 1 million dollars because he had a blister.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Chet could have engineered the greatest overthrow in Survivor history with his last dying breath. He just threw away 1 million dollars because he had a blister.

I don't think it would have been a good idea at this point in the game to blindside Ozzy. He's to valuable in challenges and you can't count on your day 12 alliances to still be there on day 21. It's to bad Ozzy didn't team up with Erik , Tracy, and Ami to blindside Cirie though.

No need to use the spoiler tags. If people are dumb enough to come in here without seeing the show then they have no right to bitch and they have no right to be a member of this forum because they don't have the mental capacity required to post here.

I agree about not blindsiding Ozzy yet. If they got rid of him, they'd all be voted out before the merge. I wish Cirie would have been voted out instead of Chet. Chet had a pathway to victory laid out for him and instead he quit and threw up. Still would have been cool to see the weakest player in Survivor history vote out one of the strongest.

Whoever made the final call on casting Chet should be fired.

To the jackass who said Ozzy would NEVER get blindsided

Welp, almost happened tonight.

I loved his line about "they wanted me to help them blindside Ozzie, but I'll let them take care of that after I'm gone". Uhh... idiot ... with one less person that's impossible!

Most useless player in the history of Survivor, glad to see him gone.

Whoever made the final call on casting Chet should be fired.

LOL, same with Kathy! Put me on that show. I won't swim like a fish or carry a pole with a woman on top of it single-handedly, but I'll hold my own atleast!

LOL, same with Kathy! Put me on that show. I won't swim like a fish or carry a pole with a woman on top of it single-handedly, but I'll hold my own atleast!

At least Kathy is unstable and socially awkward enough to be marginally amusing. Chet is boring, useless, and couldn't have cared less about winning or doing anything productive at all. Worst contestant in all 16 seasons.

Also, I felt bad for Jonathan having to go home. He stuck through the infected leg and competed hard in the reward challenge. He's the anti Chet. James was sad to see him go, but Jonathan and Eliza were going to join up with the fans to overthrow him before the merge anyway. Eliza will probably still join up with them now that she has nobody. I doubt James makes it to the merge.

To the jackass who said Ozzy would NEVER get blindsided

Welp, almost happened tonight.

I'm a jackass?

It didn't happen, so I don't know why its a big deal. Other than Tracy and Erik, no one had the balls to do it. Which is exactly what I had been getting it.

He wasn't getting blindsided. I seriously doubt it was anywhere near as in question as they made it seem to be. That was a dose of heavy editing to at least put doubt in viewers minds.

If people are dumb enough to come in here without seeing the show then they have no right to bitch and they have no right to be a member of this forum because they don't have the mental capacity required to post here.


Says the guy who thought Chet was dominating the game. :rolleyes:

Amy wanted to do it- the only person that didn't want to was our old friend Chet. Come on, quit pretending like it couldn't or won't happen. And don't take jackass so personally, I just couldn't remember who I was disagreeing with.

Says the guy who thought Chet was dominating the game. :rolleyes:

I was mostly joking. Your sarcasm meter must be broken along with BrianD's. With that said, Chet was still in position to engineer the biggest coup in Survivor history. But ultimately, fatal injuries got the better of two very brave souls tonight.

Interesting episode. Some random thoughts:

I was sad to see Jonathan go and I think he was very well-liked by all the players.
The way Jeffy called it, it seemed as if James single-handedly carried the chicks on his pole (LOL).
Cirie looks much better and younger and less harsh when her hair is down.
Chet is absolutely worthless (as already mentioned) and delusional. His final words were that he was tougher than other people believed since he lasted longer than they thought he would. He was a pawn!
I thought Ami was hitting on that fan chick.

Man, I was really trying to stay with this show, but there's just too many other shows on and I've fallen 3 weeks behind. Oh well. As many reality shows as I watch, I've never been able to get through a full season of Survivor. Bizarre.

Spoilers from TV Guide (who doesn't click on spoilers)?



Next week a survivor leaves the game (my guess is Kathy) and there is still a tribal council so it's another two-person elimination week.
Someone from the favorites jumps ship to the fans (Eliza or Ami probably)
Ozzy and Amanda's romance is legit, James and Parvati's isn't
Ozzy and Amanda have a sexy shower scene after they win a reward challenge in the March 19th episode
Jeffy on the hidden immunity idol: "The hidden idol has never played a bigger role than it does this time. Your jaw is gonna drop at least twice, and maybe more, when you see how it's played."
James passes on the title of "Dumbest move in Survivor History"; Probst: "there are three or four people lining up to hold that crown"

Reminder: Survivor is on Wednesday next week.

As many reality shows as I watch, I've never been able to get through a full season of Survivor. Bizarre.

Especially since it is the only reality show that is worth watching. ;)

Especially since it is the only reality show that is worth watching. ;)

It just never grabbed me, even from the beginning when it was such a huge hit. And that's even acknowledging that this show paved the way for how many other reality shows handle "vote offs" and such. Biggest Loser, for instance. I really can't explain it. We watched the first 2-3 eps this season, but it just has such low priority that we stopped recording when we weren't watching it.

I definitely don't see what makes it superior to other shows, though. Even though it was the original, that doesn't make it better. I guess it's probably the subject matter? Although I'm a huge fan of Survivorman, so maybe not. I don't know.

Hey Kodos, here's a survival reality show for you! :p

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The 10-episode series finds 20 contestants competing through a series of challenges that test their loyalty, endurance and "girl politics" to see whether they have what it takes to survive in Hollywood. The winner gets what MTV describes as "an all-access pass to the VIP section of the VIP section and life lessons from the master of contemporary Hollywood celebrity."

And no... I won't be watching this one.

What's amazing is that anyone will watch or care about anything involving Paris Hilton.

Spoilers from TV Guide (who doesn't click on spoilers)?



Next week a survivor leaves the game (my guess is Kathy) and there is still a tribal council so it's another two-person elimination week.
Someone from the favorites jumps ship to the fans (Eliza or Ami probably)
Ozzy and Amanda's romance is legit, James and Parvati's isn't
Ozzy and Amanda have a sexy shower scene after they win a reward challenge in the March 19th episode
Jeffy on the hidden immunity idol: "The hidden idol has never played a bigger role than it does this time. Your jaw is gonna drop at least twice, and maybe more, when you see how it's played."
James passes on the title of "Dumbest move in Survivor History"; Probst: "there are three or four people lining up to hold that crown"

Reminder: Survivor is on Wednesday next week.

Another double elimination? Someone must get hurt. Eliza probably jumps over. Maybe the hidden idol spoiler means the fake idol is played by Jason. It seems like he's talking about the real idol though, so maybe Ozzy doesn't use it and he's voted out, making the Malakai tribe even weaker and the people who voted him out make the "dumbest move in survivor history."

Or they want to break up Ozzy and Amanda and go after Amanda, but Ozzy has given the immunity to Amanda and one of the fans goes home.

Or James/Pavarti lose immunity, Ozzy thinks he's safe, so he gives it to them, they use it and one of the fans goes home.

Or they vote Chet back into the game, he steals the idol from Ozzy and uses it in tribal council, and the lone vote by Chet for Ozzy sends Ozzy home.

I thought Ami was hitting on that fan chick.

Oh, I was certain that she was. Remember when she had her "partner" come to the show as a loved one?

Anybody thought weather had to be really cold for that fan chick to be on high beams all the time like that? Or are they pierced? I was amazed that the guy she was talking to was able to look her in the eyes... Camera aware maybe? :D

FM

Oh, I was certain that she was. Remember when she had her "partner" come to the show as a loved one?

Anybody thought weather had to be really cold for that fan chick to be on high beams all the time like that? Or are they pierced? I was amazed that the guy she was talking to was able to look her in the eyes... Camera aware maybe? :D

FM

LOL. For sure!

Another double elimination? Someone must get hurt. Eliza probably jumps over. Maybe the hidden idol spoiler means the fake idol is played by Jason. It seems like he's talking about the real idol though, so maybe Ozzy doesn't use it and he's voted out, making the Malakai tribe even weaker and the people who voted him out make the "dumbest move in survivor history."

Or they want to break up Ozzy and Amanda and go after Amanda, but Ozzy has given the immunity to Amanda and one of the fans goes home.

Or James/Pavarti lose immunity, Ozzy thinks he's safe, so he gives it to them, they use it and one of the fans goes home.

Or they vote Chet back into the game, he steals the idol from Ozzy and uses it in tribal council, and the lone vote by Chet for Ozzy sends Ozzy home.

I hate having conversations in spoiler mode
This is pure speculation which is why I'm going to move this part of the conversation to un-spoiler tags
I think that Jason has effectively shown that he believes he has found the "true" HII. I think he's been set up for one of the more hilarious tribal councils to come. :D

-Jason gloating over that idol was HILARIOUS. I do feel bad for him though. If he pulls that thing out, everyone's going to look at him like an idiot.

-It really sucked to see Jonathan go out, and especially sucked for his team which was about to take a two person advantage and is completely dominating. I was glad to see them continue to dominate though. I think James was partially worried that having a tribe of women would be a setback, but they obviously are much smarter or work much better together. I don't see them getting rid of James anytime soon. They've got the perfect combo with his strength and their small light bodies. That was a big perk on that last challenge.

-I was so amazed to watch Ozzie almost go down. The fact that it was Chet who kept it from happening, that's crazy. He clearly was the worst contestant ever. What made them think he would be good? Was there ever a spark of anything in him? What a waste. Interesting that all the votes read were for him. Do the contestants therefore never find out what the other votes were? Does Ozzy not know how close he was to being voted out? For that matter, we don't know. I wonder if Chet was the only one who bailed on the plan? Regardless, watching him pull out because his heel hurt? Oh my God. I wonder what his "other health problems" were? A head ache?

-Anyone amused by Pavarti hitting on that Micronesian dude? Take it easy chick. "Are you married?" lol

Especially since it is the only reality show that is worth watching. ;)

Now that I think about it, probably one of the reasons this was the wrong season for me to try to get into, is the fact that there are "favorites" on this season. Since I know very little, if anything, about these people, I lose a lot of the context for some of the relationship dynamics that you guys are aware of. I have to admit that when I was watching, I was kinda clueless about what was going on in the favorites tribe - or whether I was missing something.

-I was so amazed to watch Ozzie almost go down. The fact that it was Chet who kept it from happening, that's crazy. He clearly was the worst contestant ever. What made them think he would be good? Was there ever a spark of anything in him? What a waste. Interesting that all the votes read were for him. Do the contestants therefore never find out what the other votes were? Does Ozzy not know how close he was to being voted out? For that matter, we don't know. I wonder if Chet was the only one who bailed on the plan? Regardless, watching him pull out because his heel hurt? Oh my God. I wonder what his "other health problems" were? A head ache?

According to the survivor forums and the wikipedia entry for this season, no one voted for Ozzy. As I said above, I think the Ozzy thing was some creative editing to create drama for tribal council. I seriously doubt Ozzy was ever in serious danger of being voted against.

The voting supposedly went 5 for Chet and then 2 for Erik (tracy and chet voting for him).

Yep. When they show who voted for who at the end credits, the other votes went to Erik.

No one voted for Ozzy because they realized it wouldn't work, so why be outted that you are trying to blindside him? He'd then be very aware of that at the next council.

I was mostly joking. Your sarcasm meter must be broken along with BrianD's. With that said, Chet was still in position to engineer the biggest coup in Survivor history. But ultimately, fatal injuries got the better of two very brave souls tonight.

I'm now of the opinion that my sarcasm detector is fine and you are just delusional. Chet's last words last night showed just how out of touch he was with anything resembling reality. I'm even wondering if he might be a bit slow mentally.

I thought Ami was hitting on that fan chick.

what you can find when googling a contestant's name :eek:


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The other is also another survivor contestant of a past season, Flicka...

FM

FLICKA

Friendly reminder: Survivor is on TONIGHT at 8 PM ET because of the college basketball games tomorrow. From the previews and the spoilers Raiders Army posted, it looks like it'll be a great show.

Oh man, thanks for the 'reminder', that had totally slipped past my radar. I might miss it now, but maybe I'll tape it. On the good news front, that means I could catch the first episode of htat Miss Guided pilot. The previews look pretty funny.

That episode was nowhere near as interesting as those spoilers made it out to be. Maybe they're for future episodes or maybe they're made up. Whoever said in an earlier post that Cirie was in charge of this tribe was sorely mistaken and should be shot. I correctly said that Ozzy was in charge and from tonight's episode that is certainly the case. Now he's got Erik wrapped around his dick and all he has to do is get rid of that bitch Cirie next week by a 3-2 vote. She should have gone this week as she's much more worthless than Tracy and she eats a lot more food. Thank God they didn't show her naked in the shower.

Man, I had totally forgotten about the other guy on James' team.

Speaking of which, his scene in the previews for next week made me cringe. Ouch.

I agree, both that the episode was not that exciting, and that Ozzy has taken command. They've lost a real opportunity not voting him out one of these two weeks, and I think a lot of people will come to regret it, especially with him having the idol. Once he realizes someone else voted against him, will he go after Ami or Cirie? Or will he assume it was Erik?

Maybe not Ami after that shower scene. Kathy quitting was a real low for the Survivor producers. They must be kicking themselves that they signed her and Chet up for the game. Not only were they boring and pathetic, but they've really cost a team that has been playing very well. It's too bad.

I couldn't believe no one called Ozzie on sending Tracy to Exile. You would think they would have at least razzed the big stud man for insisting on a "shower getaway" over a woman. 'take one for the team?' give me a break.

Man, I had totally forgotten about the other guy on James' team.

Speaking of which, his scene in the previews for next week made me cringe. Ouch.

Your mixing people up, the long haired kid on James team is Jason, and the kid that takes the fall is Ozzy's understudy, Erik

That episode was nowhere near as interesting as those spoilers made it out to be. Maybe they're for future episodes or maybe they're made up. Whoever said in an earlier post that Cirie was in charge of this tribe was sorely mistaken and should be shot. I correctly said that Ozzy was in charge and from tonight's episode that is certainly the case. Now he's got Erik wrapped around his dick and all he has to do is get rid of that bitch Cirie next week by a 3-2 vote. She should have gone this week as she's much more worthless than Tracy and she eats a lot more food. Thank God they didn't show her naked in the shower.

Once again, we're going to take someone that thought Chet was in the driver's seat seriously? Stop the melodramatic shit, its a discussion about a damn TV show.

Ami, Cire, and Amanada all said their plan is to let Ozzie think he's running the show. They allowed him to take Tracy out and make sure to make it clear during tribal council that he is seen as the leader. We won't know for at least another week if they're sticking with their plan or if he really is calling shots for tribal councils.

I can't believe Probst was so nice to whatsherface for bouncing. I remember last time someone wanted to quit, he was ripping 'em for it.

I can't believe Probst was so nice to whatsherface for bouncing. I remember last time someone wanted to quit, he was ripping 'em for it.

He probably recognized that Kathy really emotionally unstable and had no business there to begin with. He's probably more pissed that they let someone like her through their screening process.

Ah... that may be why I have not noticed Jason as much. He has probably had limited scenes and I got him confused with Erik.

Still, that gutshot looked pretty ugly.

Your mixing people up, the long haired kid on James team is Jason, and the kid that takes the fall is Ozzy's understudy, Erik

Once again, we're going to take someone that thought Chet was in the driver's seat seriously? Stop the melodramatic shit, its a discussion about a damn TV show.

Ami, Cire, and Amanada all said their plan is to let Ozzie think he's running the show. They allowed him to take Tracy out and make sure to make it clear during tribal council that he is seen as the leader. We won't know for at least another week if they're sticking with their plan or if he really is calling shots for tribal councils.

First of all, I was just joking about that and Chet. You guys need to lighten up. You said Cirie was a powerhouse, I said Chet was a powerhouse, and we were both totally wrong. Amanda and Ozzy will remain together through the merge. If Amanda's smart, she will turn on Ozzy at some point but now is not the time. Ozzy is calling the shots now. He's got Amanda and Erik at his disposal. I hope Ozzy's tribe loses next week's immunity so they can vote out Cirie heading into the merge with James and Parvati still alive. Cirie needs to go. She doesn't even know her left from her right.

Stop the melodramatic shit, its a discussion about a damn TV show.

BUT IT'S SURVIVOR..... ;) :D

All there is to say about tonight's show ...

Did you see Natalie during that challenge, in the rain?? Humina humina humina

She looks good straight on, but from the side...yech. There's something about her mouth that makes her look Cro-Magnon.

That being said, I'm glad that the ice cream scooper stayed.

Mistake #1- Knowing it was a balance challenge, sending Alexis to Exile Island instead of Jason. They were right about not sending James since the challenge required someone light. But Jason is also light, stronger and quicker than Alexis, and he's already been to Exile Island! Erik and Amanda would have crushed Alexis and Eliza in that challenge.

Mistake #2- Keeping the last remaining fan, Erik, in the game. I'm pretty sure he'll go back to his old tribe plus Eliza after the merge. We could have a 5-5 vote next week if he does. They should have just made Ami feel welcome. Plus Erik is a bigger threat in physical immunity challenges. We'll see how it plays out. The teaser they showed for next week looks awesome.

It is going to suck if the fake idol doesn't get played. I absolutely busted out laughing at the preview with Eliza though.

Yeah that preview had me cracking up too. That Jason is such an idiot, it's fun to watch him "Why couldn't it be real?" lol

Raiders: I agree, there are some shots where Natalie just doesn't look good. I've never figured out what it is, I'll have to check your theory next week. Straight on she looked fine tonight though. She outshone Amanda's rack.

I don't know what Erik will do after the merge. He really does seem to fawn after Ozzy, I could see Ozzy talking him over to his side. Ami was happy to jump camps if she could, despite the waterworks. Erik seems like he doesn't really get how to play the game, he doesn't make any alliances, just kind of hopes everybody is nice to him. Seems like a safe guy to have around you.

Sending Alexis was a strange idea. They thought she was a good balancer? Odd, was there a challenge that she did really well at? I feel bad for Irai (or whatever it is). They should have been up what, 8 to 4 by now? Actually I feel worst for Alexis, she missed the pizza and beer, right? Sucks.

Yeah that preview had me cracking up too. That Jason is such an idiot, it's fun to watch him "Why couldn't it be real?" lol

Raiders: I agree, there are some shots where Natalie just doesn't look good. I've never figured out what it is, I'll have to check your theory next week. Straight on she looked fine tonight though. She outshone Amanda's rack.

I don't know what Erik will do after the merge. He really does seem to fawn after Ozzy, I could see Ozzy talking him over to his side. Ami was happy to jump camps if she could, despite the waterworks. Erik seems like he doesn't really get how to play the game, he doesn't make any alliances, just kind of hopes everybody is nice to him. Seems like a safe guy to have around you.

Sending Alexis was a strange idea. They thought she was a good balancer? Odd, was there a challenge that she did really well at? I feel bad for Irai (or whatever it is). They should have been up what, 8 to 4 by now? Actually I feel worst for Alexis, she missed the pizza and beer, right? Sucks.

Erik strikes me as a gamer. You have to be a half way decent player in order to convince three or the remaining favorites on your tribe to vote out another favorite.

I think we can all agree that Erik (flamebeard) is not nearly as brilliant as Chet!

Mistake #1- Knowing it was a balance challenge, sending Alexis to Exile Island instead of Jason. They were right about not sending James since the challenge required someone light. But Jason is also light, stronger and quicker than Alexis, and he's already been to Exile Island! Erik and Amanda would have crushed Alexis and Eliza in that challenge.


This was a calculated risk. The challenge turned out to require balance and athleticism, but they couldn't have known that. Had the focus of the challenge been only balance, Alexis might have been better than Jason.

i thought the waterworks that Ami pulled out were pretty weak...the whole "i just wanted to be part of the group" was BS, IMO...she never expressed any interest in being part of the group until her back was against the wall.

This was a calculated risk. The challenge turned out to require balance and athleticism, but they couldn't have known that. Had the focus of the challenge been only balance, Alexis might have been better than Jason.
Ummmm.. Jason is a gymnastics coach.

I think leaving him there was pretty stupid.

i thought the waterworks that Ami pulled out were pretty weak...the whole "i just wanted to be part of the group" was BS, IMO...she never expressed any interest in being part of the group until her back was against the wall.

I found it humorous that she, the Queen Bee of her season who excluded the men, felt "left out".

Oh that was priceless. Who thinks the producers gave Jason some breathing aids just to allow that outcome to come about so perfectly?

So, will Ozzy escape yet another week of mutiny talk? Things seem fairly up in the air now. He may have made a big slip by jumping from Amanda's sleeping bag, she was keeping him alive, now he's fair game I think.

AMAZING challenge. Ozzy, Jason, and James lasting that long was sweet to watch.

Also kudos to Eliza seeing the writing on the wall and still playing what she knew was a fake idol to out Ozzy. Kudos to Ozzy to taking it in stride and saying "Come on, I worked on that thing for hours!"

Sucks for Jason that he was wearing the immunity necklace and no one wanted to come discuss strategy with him... doesn't bode well for his future.

How funny is it to see Amanda immediately say that she wants Alexis out now "because she's a strong player". Hahahaha. That move was all because she got super jealous. Priceless. Amanda's giving Ozzy lovin' and showin her boobs in the shower and the minute Ozzy gets some other tail showing interest he leaves her high and dry. Classic.

Kudos to Jeff for not saying anything when they told him the new tribe name. You could tell he was thinking to himself, "That doesn't mean jack sh*t!"

Poor Eliza, she really never had a chance in this game with her reputation. But glad she tried it with the idol anyway, would have been fantastic to see Ozzy's face if it had worked. I think they are going to go fullbore on him now that know he has the idol.

If Eliza could think on her feet instead of immediately confronting Jason about the fake idol, she could have had a way out.

1. Thank Jason for the idol. Don't let on that it's fake.
2. High five with him over how sweet it will be to blindside Ozzie, and how memorable the moment will be. They'll replay that for years! Best Survivor moment of all time!
3. Casually mention that its too bad that he did all the work, but she'll be the one everyone remembers playing the idol
4. "Gee, the only thing that would make it better would be if you gave me the necklace, and then you played the secret idol!"

Yes, I do think he could have been dumb/vain enough to fall for it.

(But of course she's a woman so running over to yell at him was more important than thinking...)

This was a great episode last night. Like you guys said, it was a great challenge, had some extreme comedy with the idol, and the drama with Alexis and Amanda and Ozzy was great. Why would you watch any other show?

The ice cream scooper played it well with Ozzy. I was telling my wife what I would do, and then he does it.

Jason needs to go up to Ozzy and tell him that he let Eliza play the idol because he knew it was fake. Why would he give immunity to another player, much less Eliza? The other thing is that he needs to protect himself because he's gone, gone, gone if he doesn't win immunity. You saw what happened if you crossed Ozzy. Ozzy had two votes. One from Eliza and...

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think Jeff refered to Eliza as "the first member of our jury".

With nine players left, does that mean a two-person final this season?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think Jeff refered to Eliza as "the first member of our jury".

With nine players left, does that mean a two-person final this season?

you missed it

Yep. Jeff said she was the first member of the jury.

Which is too bad for them, because she doesn't have any friends on there.

Jason seems likely to be next. He was so giddy on winning the challenge, which was necessary for him, but he seems to think that winning the physical challenges is all he has to do in this game. He's one out of three on Alexis's list of strengths.

Funny how Jeff dragged out the fake idol thing too, he must have been having a lot of fun with that and the fake tribe name.

I kind of hope they do a "go to a local village" reward challenge, and some player says "Dabu" to the chief only to find out it's a mortal insult to his mother.

I wonder what's so terrible about Amanda that Ozzie felt he had to jump ship the moment the tribes merged. I suspect that will be the start of his downfall because he's a real target right now for everyone else.

Next week will be interesting, at least based on the trailer, since the women seem to be in a position of power. And, as much as I dislike her, Cerie is in a real power position right now.

James' reaction after Ozzy said, "Come on Jeff! I spent three hours working on that thing!" was priceless.

I love Ozzie - but he's letting the wrong brain thing right now. There's just no good reason to openly float to Alexis over Amanda. Amanda's no joke in this game and I think he's letting it all get to his head.

Yeah, Ozzie is a good player, but he's slipped up, it seems. If he was genuinely surprised that people are thinking he's leader of the tribe, then he's not as good as I thought. And either way, he didn't do enough to keep himself out of the target. He's cocky enough that I think he may pull a James and not use his idol when he should.

Cerei may win this thing. She's a master manipulator.

Yeah, Ozzie is a good player, but he's slipped up, it seems. If he was genuinely surprised that people are thinking he's leader of the tribe, then he's not as good as I thought. And either way, he didn't do enough to keep himself out of the target. He's cocky enough that I think he may pull a James and not use his idol when he should.

He's great at challenges, but he's weak in other areas of the game. It was the same on Cook Islands. I'll be surprised if Ozzie wins. There are much better social players and strategists in the game and the things that got him to where he is now are going to start to work against him now that the tribes merged.

well well well wasn't that an interesting tribal council. I think James had the wrong person when he called Jason the stupidest Survivor...

Congratulations Cirie for ensuring that the rest of the season will suck. Let me take a wild guess- James goes next week, then Amanda, then Erik, then Jason and we're left with the bitches. You gotta hand it to Cirie though. She got Yau Man and now Ozzy. Parvati made a big powerplay too becoming the 5th vote needed to pull this off.

And James is still the dumbest Survivor. 2 idols, 3 chances left to use them and he goes home with both of them in his pocket. Ozzy took a chance and it cost him. If Parvati or Cirie hadn't flipped, it would have worked.

It really seems like this is Cirie's game this year. She is absolutely no threat to anybody, yet seems to be pulling the strings in this game. Great position to be in.

I really enjoyed Big Brother a few years ago when the strong players banded together and picked off the floaters in the mid-game for this exact reason. Eventually they band together and the strong guys go shortly after the merge every year in Survivor. Makes for a dull end-game, and it looks like we'll be seeing the same thing again this time.

The only hope is James, Amanda, and Erik realize what's going on and they tell Jason that the chicks will take over unless he comes with them. So then it's 4-4 and this stronger alliance can pick off the weaker one with Cirie, Alexis, Natalie, and Parvati. Amanda won't go with the girls because she can't trust Parvati anymore and she said she doesn't trust Alexis or Natalie. All they have to do is vote 4 against Cirie and go to a tiebreaker vs. her and they'll win. But Jason probably won't trust the 3 people who broke their word and voted against him this week so I doubt it'll happen.

I don't like Cirie, but I do have to hand it to her.

wonder if there was any chance Ozzy may have mentioned to Amanda before they went to council where he hid the Idol just in case.

wonder if there was any chance Ozzy may have mentioned to Amanda before they went to council where he hid the Idol just in case.

I was thinking that. That would be one hell of a tribal council surprise...

Final 2 this season?

Final 2 this season?

Probably final 3, since the jury started with 10 people remaining again.

Whoever said in an earlier post that Cirie was in charge of this tribe was sorely mistaken and should be shot. I correctly said that Ozzy was in charge and from tonight's episode that is certainly the case.


I'm just quoting this because its now right up there with the Chet comments.

You can't be serious. I was refering to the Malakai tribe. You know, the one with Ozzy, Amanda, Chet, Joel, Cirie, Natalie, Ami, and Erik. If you couldn't see that Ozzy was in control of that tribe then you weren't paying attention. And now, they've merged tribes and it's a completely new dynamic based on individual play and not team play. So you've taken my comment out of context, lumped it in with my sarcastic comments about Chet, and we all know that just ain't right. Enough said about that.

I do think Ozzy left the immunity idol at camp. He said tonight that if he felt threatened, he'd put it in his backpack and take it with him and he obviously didn't feel threatened. Did he trust Amanda enough to tell her where it was? I hope so. That'd be awesome if she found it and played it correctly.

You can't be serious. I was refering to the Malakai tribe. You know, the one with Ozzy, Amanda, Chet, Joel, Cirie, Natalie, Ami, and Erik. If you couldn't see that Ozzy was in control of that tribe then you weren't paying attention. And now, they've merged tribes and it's a completely new dynamic based on individual play and not team play. So you've taken my comment out of context, lumped it in with my sarcastic comments about Chet, and we all know that just ain't right. Enough said about that.

I do think Ozzy left the immunity idol at camp. He said tonight that if he felt threatened, he'd put it in his backpack and take it with him and he obviously didn't feel threatened. Did he trust Amanda enough to tell her where it was? I hope so. That'd be awesome if she found it and played it correctly.

What exactly was Ozzy ever in charge of? Maybe the stuff that happens around camp, but he was never a strong social player nor did he ever have a plan. Not in this season nor at Cook Islands. He's the best player in survivor history as far as challenges go, but Cirie has outplayed him in every area other than the challenges.

He was in control of that tribe and you know it. He had Amanda wrapped around his finger and then Erik after they saved him. You said Cirie was in control of the tribe and I called you out on it. She was a part of the alliance, but Ozzy was in control of it. And once again, that was when it was based on team play. Do you understand the difference? In team play, you usually want to hang on to your strong players so you can win. In individual play, you usually want to get rid of the strong players so you can win. Am I the only one here who has ever watched Survivor before?

Ozzy was outplayed by Cirie AFTER the merge. The target on Ozzy's back was just too big. I believe my comment was made BEFORE the merge and was taken out of context, but I accept your apology.