This should make things a tad easier.

Kinda cool that Kristen Bell is gonna be on the series, even if its for a short arc.

And what happened to the oft-talked-about second Heroes series that NBC touted which would focus on other characters in which one or more would make the transition to the main series?

It's happening partway through this season, when the show would normally just be repeating old episodes.

as i said to the 1st failed "official season 2" thread that saldana fortunately deleted, i'm posting in the other Heroes thread. no need to have a new thread for every season.

and what's with this "official" nonsense? you can't just throw that word around.

I didn't read any of the comics over the summer, was there anything ground breaking that I missed and I will be somewhat lost for the first few episodes?

as i said to the 1st failed "official season 2" thread that saldana fortunately deleted, i'm posting in the other Heroes thread. no need to have a new thread for every season.

and what's with this "official" nonsense? you can't just throw that word around.

saldana didn't delete it jackass.

saldana didn't delete it jackass.

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HOW CAN HE SEE THIS IF HE'S ONLY GOING TO BE IN THE OTHER THREAD???

He'll be here. Don't worry.

As I'm catching up on all of the online comics, I notice there are several "episodes" that have blacked out lines. Is there a trick or secret to viewing what is underneath the blacked out lines?

As I'm catching up on all of the online comics, I notice there are several "episodes" that have blacked out lines. Is there a trick or secret to viewing what is underneath the blacked out lines?

I don't remember this. Can you give a specific one that is this way?

Chapter 27 has quite a bit of it, but some of the earlier ones had it as well.

Those black lines in 27 are because of the document they are on.

That is some sort of official government document and it looks like they have blacked out certain details to keep them classified.

That sort of thing is not in every episode, just those dealing with that certain story line.

I figured that is what it was. I just wasn't sure if there was some secret way to view the underlying text.

I figured that is what it was. I just wasn't sure if there was some secret way to view the underlying text.

Not that I know of.

This season is going to disappoint.

This season is going to disappoint.

I think so, too, but we'll see.

IMHO the online comics added a ton of flavor to the on-air episodes and are must-read. Glad they've kept it up.

IMHO the online comics added a ton of flavor to the on-air episodes and are must-read. Glad they've kept it up.

Now that I'm finally reading them, I agree. All of these backstories are very interesting. Also, I think the second season will disappoint relatively speaking, but I think it will still be good TV.

Is there a link to these online comics?

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=45


The 45 can be changed to 1 to start with the 1st one. I'm almost through em all.

cool thanks.

saldana didn't delete it jackass.

OMG...does this mean i lost posts (anyone....anyone...what the hell is he talking about?)

anywho...this is easily my most anticipated show of the fall...i am actually gonna skip MNF this week to watch it while it is on instead of my usual 24hr TIVO delay.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=45


The 45 can be changed to 1 to start with the 1st one. I'm almost through em all.

and at:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml

you can download all 51 of them in pdf format...

FM

Woot! I can't wait :).

More cheerleader, less dorkiness.

You know what, I love the rhythm of the name Matt Parkman for some reason. I wish that was my name. I am completely serious.

I did not enjoy it tonight. Found it boring. Wonder if this is going to be a show which gets old after one season.

I did not enjoy it tonight. Found it boring. Wonder if this is going to be a show which gets old after one season.

Opposite for me. I enjoyed it. I fully expected it would take some time for them to flesh out the characters and everyone's state of mind after the climax of last season. Just like last year, I thought the show did a good job of pacing. Giving away a secret here and a secret there, while opening up questions at the same time.

I've heard a lot of people who had the same opinion as you. I dunno. I liked it. :)

I also enjoyed it. Thought it was very engrossing. First to see what everyone was doing and and then teasing us with some mysteries (like who's the hooded guy and what sequence of events led to what happened at the end of the episode!)

I'm not disappointed, but I expected things would start slowly and hopefully they'll ramp up.

More to the point, I just had to comment to say that those were three of the WORST Irish accents I have ever heard.

I enjoyed it as well. Glad it's back.

Opposite for me. I enjoyed it. I fully expected it would take some time for them to flesh out the characters and everyone's state of mind after the climax of last season. Just like last year, I thought the show did a good job of pacing. Giving away a secret here and a secret there, while opening up questions at the same time.

I've heard a lot of people who had the same opinion as you. I dunno. I liked it. :)

I'm with Troy. I thought it was a great episode. My wife liked it as well.

I'm really intrigued by the new villain who doesn't really want to be a villain. I really can't wait to see the full extent of her powers or where that storyline is leading (who does she go after first?). It was a really good "restart" episode... if you were expecting more I could see where you might not have liked it as much.

I would have liked so explanation as to what happened with Sylar. The company seems to think that Sylar was killed with the help of Mohinder but I doubt anyone found a body so I am not sure why anyone would assume he is dead.

I'm not disappointed, but I expected things would start slowly and hopefully they'll ramp up.

Same. Kind of similar to the 1st season in that respect. But I think some people wanted it to be all balls to the wall from the 1st episode.

I would have liked so explanation as to what happened with Sylar. The company seems to think that Sylar was killed with the help of Mohinder but I doubt anyone found a body so I am not sure why anyone would assume he is dead.

This is a major sticking point for my wife, why were the writers lazy? Was he supposed to die, but didn't because the audience like his character? Why would everyone think that he is dead when there is no body left behind?

Other than that, the episode did well to setup a 2nd season. Looking forward to the next one.

Hooray for Nissan paying to keep the opener low on commercial breaks, but BOOOOOO to the producers for the in-show commercial for that ugly suv-wannabe monstrosity. Here, Claire, you can have the keys to this chunk of shit.

And big ups for using The Clash in the commercial.

This is a major sticking point for my wife, why were the writers lazy? Was he supposed to die, but didn't because the audience like his character? Why would everyone think that he is dead when there is no body left behind?

I think they saw the blood smear and figured he crawled into the sewers to die (it was a lot of blood).

I think he's going to show up this season, but they want to keep a bit of mystery :D.

I think they saw the blood smear and figured he crawled into the sewers to die (it was a lot of blood).

I think he's going to show up this season, but they want to keep a bit of mystery :D.

Still a stretch for them to travel all that way without making sure the body was dead and cold. I forgive it. :)

Mystery is what this show is all about. I enjoyed the teasers with Sylar in them.

Alright episode. Hard to tell at the beginning of a season, but it didn't do anything to really grab me yet. However, it did have enough to entertain me. I'm curious to see how the Molly/Parkman/Mohinder aspect plays out. I liked how Claire and her dad both downplayed the eventful days. I like how Hiro accidentally altered the history of his hero. :D I'm worried that he'll be stuck in the past, caught up in his own hijinks for too much of the season though.

I wasn't disappointed at all with this episode. I thought it was on par with most of the episodes from last season, although not as good as some of the best ones last year.

Maybe it was my eyesight but did the 'new baddie' guy that the Irish found (assuming he's a baddie cause of his necklace / pendant)not look very similar to Peter?

Maybe it was my eyesight but did the 'new baddie' guy that the Irish found (assuming he's a baddie cause of his necklace / pendant)not look very similar to Peter?

I think it WAS Peter.

I think it WAS Peter.

Yeah, I thought it was obviously Peter. He mumbled that he lost his memory.

I think it WAS Peter.

Yeah, I thought it was obviously Peter. He mumbled that he lost his memory.

Same here. It was clearly Peter and he has somehow lost his memory and is presumably going to be manipulated by the bad guys.

that's what i thought too - just seemed wierd that nobody mentioned it...

He didn't have a scar, however, so did he heal up, or is this an impostor?

I thought Peter also

He didn't have a scar, however, so did he heal up, or is this an impostor?

I thought Scarred-Peter was the 5-years in the future one.

I thought it was decent. I figured things would start a litle slow and take some time to ramp up.

I thought it was ok. I liked the Parkman and Molly scenes the best. It's good to see Mohinder have some teeth and be less stupid. Yay for Needle Nose Ned and his transmutation powers!

Hiro needs to be with Ando. I like them better as a duo.

The confrontation between Sulu and his killer was pathetically lame.

I thought Scarred-Peter was the 5-years in the future one.

Yeah, maybe he gets manipulated by the baddies and then faces Hiro, who gives him a nice slash in the ensuing battle.

Yeah, maybe he gets manipulated by the baddies and then faces Hiro, who gives him a nice slash in the ensuing battle.

he wont have a scar...that history never happened...in the future with the scar, the bomb exploded and decimated new york

I watched it after the Saints game, so I was really tired, and very depressed- but I was having a hard time following the Hiro storyline. I guess I'll have to rewatch the episode before next week.

Overall I liked it, going in I knew it wouldn't be as great as the ones towards the end of last season, since they have to build up the new characters and storylines...but overall I was happy with it.

he wont have a scar...that history never happened...in the future with the scar, the bomb exploded and decimated new york

I'm not sure they won't bring up the possibility this season of it becoming a danger again.

I watched it after the Saints game, so I was really tired, and very depressed- but I was having a hard time following the Hiro storyline. I guess I'll have to rewatch the episode before next week.

Overall I liked it, going in I knew it wouldn't be as great as the ones towards the end of last season, since they have to build up the new characters and storylines...but overall I was happy with it.

i have a theory about the Hiro story...i am expecting the Swordsmith, whose hot looking daughter took the sword from the gaijin, to be Hiro's father (george takei)

Ok, was that Peter-with-a-scar that Nathan saw in his reflection? What's that suppose to mean?

I see Greg Grundberg didn't waste the summer away taking acting lessons.

I found the season opener to be ho-hum. I'm really curious to see what is up with Maya though.

And for some reason, Hiro's hero being a white dude was kind of a let down for me. Dunno why.

Ok, was that Peter-with-a-scar that Nathan saw in his reflection? What's that suppose to mean?

Yeah. I think that was supposed to be horribly scarred/dead radiated Peter. Nathan thinks he's dead. How Nathan survived that, I have no idea. Maybe he pussed out at the end and flew away real fast or something.

That alien or robot kid is as annoying as the cheerleaders.

well overall I liked the first epidsode but I thought it was pretty lame that Claire just happened to step out in front of a car with a guy with powers, and then he just happened to see her heal from her injury from jumping off the tower.

Also thought the george takei "fight" was a bit lame, and right now at least I think having Hiro's hero to be an Englishman (I think?) was a poor decision. I'm guessing though he's going to be related to current cast members somehow.

I'm starting to think EP1 was actually a bit lame.

Some reasons:
* It seems a bit contrived that the one guy that is stalking Claire is a 'hero'. Unless he's actaully a plant - but y'know, you need that stuff for plot so whatever.

* The amnesia approach for Peter. This is such a cliche that it goes beyond 'comic book convention' into 'jeez, that cheap excuse again?' territory. Fair enough, Peter was too powerful at the end of season one but they could have just killed him off or otherwise just not include him - it's not like the show fails without Peter in it. That said, the idea of Peter being a baddy could be fun.

* The big-bad in this season not only has a LOGO, they have FREAKIN MERCHANDISE? So fair enough, Kensei has a logo on his armour. And fair enough whowever the big bad is in this season may BE Kensei or be a huge stalker of his (Hero?) but would the logo really be so important to the dude that Molly sees it in her nightmares? And why the *fuck* would you make a bloody necklace for Peter with it? What's next, freakin mouse mats and mugs?

* This is just a niggle, but Claire must be the luckiest person alive. It's a perfect combination to have osteoperosis and self-healing. The girl farts too loudly, she breaks a bone.

* I agree that sulu's death was lame. I mean, why is Eminem in this show? (though I guess the killer could be Hero or Nathan I suppose - I prefer Eminem though)

* The police swat team training thing that Parkman participated in was rediculously unrealistic. He's a cop, not Master Chief

* Using a beard to show Nathan being a drop out? Really? Is he going to smoke weed next?

All that said, I'll probably still enjoy the show - but it just felt a little overly contrived in places I guess.

Did you guys watch last season? The whole show is overly contrived. The "alien or robot" boy having powers is like a drop in the ocean compared to all the similar crap they did last season. I don't know, just seems to me if you're ok with all the connections between the people from last season the fact that Claire's new boyfriend can fly is pretty minor. Hell, based on last season I expect him to end up being Linderman's bastard or something.

Did you guys watch last season? The whole show is overly contrived. The "alien or robot" boy having powers is like a drop in the ocean compared to all the similar crap they did last season. I don't know, just seems to me if you're ok with all the connections between the people from last season the fact that Claire's new boyfriend can fly is pretty minor. Hell, based on last season I expect him to end up being Linderman's bastard or something.

I just watched the show last night so I'm only now reading the whole thread.

Right now this thread screams of "nostalgia" to me. Somehow, as good as Hero's REALLY was last year, people seem to have given it superhuman powers of its own. I felt like this show was very similar in pace/quality/style/etc as the early episodes last year, including the contrived situations like this one.

some people are way overanalyzing/overnitpicking things... I enjoyed it, felt like the start of a new season, much like they started last season, slow and steady...

FM

Did you guys watch last season? The whole show is overly contrived.

You're right.

I think what it is (from my personal perspective) is that on the 'new' show, most of the random stuff happens before you really give a shit.

But by the time the next season comes round, you kind of know how the 'rules of this universe' work and notice the wee things more.

Hero's Season 1 was guilty of many of the same things I guess, but I just personally didn't notice them so much.

Have to agree with Bee and Wade Moore. I think some people have thought Heroes was far better than it actually was last season. Maybe they are basing it on a few absolutely amazing episodes in the middle of last season or something. But I'm a bit amused by people complaining about some of the "contrived" stuff in Ep1 of the new season.

some people are way overanalyzing/overnitpicking things...
FM

What?!?!?! That never happens around here!

Actually, I thought the Hiro and Claire storylines both seemed to be strongly pointing in a particular direction that hadn't been mentioned:

Not really spoilers, as they're just my guesses, but still:


- I fully expect, at this point, that Hiro /is/ Takezo Kensei. He's going to learn to fight to be badass future Hiro, fall in love with the swordsmith's daughter, and take (or is given) the name.

- It doesn't just happen that alien-robot-guy almost hits Claire, etc. etc... He's working for the company and is set up to be there as keep an eye on Claire. So it'll seem contrived because it absolutely is.

I decided to look at your guesses, since you said they are guesses and I agree with both of them. I'm almost certain about the 1st one.

I decided to look at your guesses, since you said they are guesses and I agree with both of them. I'm almost certain about the 1st one.

I have thought the first one was correct since Hiro ported back to 1671 at the end of season 1.

As for #2, I don't agree with the theory. It seems too obvious to me.

I disagree a little with the first one. My opinion is below:


I think the white guy has a power and Hiro teaches him how to use it and helps him hook up with the swordsmaker's daughter before popping back into the present. But the white guy is Takezo Kensai or whatever the name is...not Hiro.

* The big-bad in this season not only has a LOGO, they have FREAKIN MERCHANDISE? So fair enough, Kensei has a logo on his armour. And fair enough whowever the big bad is in this season may BE Kensei or be a huge stalker of his (Hero?) but would the logo really be so important to the dude that Molly sees it in her nightmares? And why the *fuck* would you make a bloody necklace for Peter with it? What's next, freakin mouse mats and mugs?

* This is just a niggle, but Claire must be the luckiest person alive. It's a perfect combination to have osteoperosis and self-healing. The girl farts too loudly, she breaks a bone.

* Using a beard to show Nathan being a drop out? Really? Is he going to smoke weed next?


What logo? Are you talking about that genetic symbol that was there since the beginning of last season?

I don't think Claire breaking her leg on that fall is unrealistic... everyone else was jumping onto a mat and landing on thier backs. She decided to jump straight to the ground, and land on her feet. That platform looked to be pretty high...

I think using a beard is alright to show he is not taking care of himself. He was always clean-shaven last season, so a thick beard and hostility with his mom indicates something's wrong with him.

What I'm wondering is what the hell that messed up reflection of his is all about!

Ok, was that Peter-with-a-scar that Nathan saw in his reflection? What's that suppose to mean?
That he's drunk! ;)

I really love that they have the guy that played Sark on Alias playing Kensei. That was funny.

I don't think Claire breaking her leg on that fall is unrealistic... everyone else was jumping onto a mat and landing on thier backs. She decided to jump straight to the ground, and land on her feet. That platform looked to be pretty high...


It may have been 12 feet. I don't see someone breaking their leg like she did at 12 feet. Might get a torn ligament or a sprain/strained ankle, but no breakage like that.

It may have been 12 feet. I don't see someone breaking their leg like she did at 12 feet. Might get a torn ligament or a sprain/strained ankle, but no breakage like that.

But she jumped and did some backflip thing too. It wasn't a straight fall... I don't know, I think the fact that they setup with a mat at first shows that it's meant to be high?

That, and it's kind of hard to show a torn ligament healing I think... :)

But she jumped and did some backflip thing too. It wasn't a straight fall... I don't know, I think the fact that they setup with a mat at first shows that it's meant to be high?

That, and it's kind of hard to show a torn ligament healing I think... :)But the backflip doesn't add any height to it, unless she's able to jump real high :). But yes it was done just for effect. I think they should of had her miss the jump and land on her arm or something that screwed up her shoulder that would have been more believable. But I love the show regardless.

This show has been a bit over-blown. It was enjoyable, but certainly no masterpiece. It often suffered from pretty bad dialogue and acting, not to mention obvious pot devices. There were certainly moments of genius last year (in particular the episode about Mr. Bennet's past), but they were really the exception not the rule. For the most part, it's just a pretty entertaining show about people with super-powers, which is all I ever really wanted it to be.

That is the reason a lot of the promotions for the show, making it seem like the greatest thing in TV are pretty annoying. Then again, the marketing/advertizing for the show has been pretty annoying ever since it started becoming popular in the first place.

No one has mentioned this,

but I think it was Nathan that Ando bumped into at the start of Ando's segment. I'm thinking Nathan has something to do with the 'murders'. In fact, after just watching it again, it is indeed Nathan. That puts him at both spots where the picture came up.

No one has mentioned this,

but I think it was Nathan that Ando bumped into at the start of Ando's segment. I'm thinking Nathan has something to do with the 'murders'. In fact, after just watching it again, it is indeed Nathan. That puts him at both spots where the picture came up.
It was pretty obvious it was Nathan, since they showed him right in the next scene. Not sure if I agree with your assumption about him being the possible killer, but that's just my opinion. I removed your spoiler tag since I don't really think talking about the already aired show and explaining what you think might happen as a spoiler.

It was pretty obvious it was Nathan, since they showed him right in the next scene. Not sure if I agree with your assumption about him being the possible killer, but that's just my opinion. I removed your spoiler tag since I don't really think talking about the already aired show and explaining what you think might happen as a spoiler.Yeah, I really didn't think they were trying to hide that..

I thought it was more about showing yet another situation of a "small world" type situation, but also that Nathan is not "recognizable" to people because he's so strung out...

It often suffered from pretty bad dialogue and acting, not to mention obvious pot devices.

You mean like bongs and roach clips or something? I must have missed those totally. ;)

It was pretty obvious it was Nathan, since they showed him right in the next scene. Not sure if I agree with your assumption about him being the possible killer, but that's just my opinion. I removed your spoiler tag since I don't really think talking about the already aired show and explaining what you think might happen as a spoiler.

I had forgotten about this, and thought it was sure that Nathan was the one to slip the half-picture into the paper.

Just watched the episode, after watching all of season 1 over the last 2 weeks again. I liked the first episode this year a lot. Peter at the end was cool. Not sure I am convinced he will be a bad guy, but it will be interesting if that happens for a while.

I agree that Hiro will probably end up doing all the things Kenzo was said to have done, and will learn to be the badass he will end up being in the process.

Next, I don't think Claire's broken leg was seen by Alien/Robot boy, although he thought something was up. I also think it is interesting that he is the first person we have seen in this show that has the same power as an earlier character (and he didn't get it from the first person). He can fly, very interesting to me.

Maya, the new girl. Someone called her a villian already? SHe kills people somehow, and can't control it yet. I am not going to label her a bad person already. Maybe something along the Ted line right now in my eyes. I am very interested in what exactly her power is.

My big question.....Nathan walked away from being a Congressman or what? He won the election, but didn't seem to have the job.

I look forward to the coming episodes. I want to see what D.L., Nikki, and their kid are up to. I am pretty sure Sulu is either not dead, or has lots of back story, because George Takei has said on Howard Stern he has lots of scenes this season. I assumed that meant as much if not more then last season. The Isreali girl who can do the email/text message reading and sending trick is still out there I assume.

I am off to read the online comics, I haven't done so since last season.

My big question.....Nathan walked away from being a Congressman or what? He won the election, but didn't seem to have the job.

Yep... apparently he resigned from the position.

Maya, the new girl. Someone called her a villian already? SHe kills people somehow, and can't control it yet. I am not going to label her a bad person already. Maybe something along the Ted line right now in my eyes. I am very interested in what exactly her power is.

I am off to read the online comics, I haven't done so since last season.

This past week's comic gives more hints/details on Maya and what seems to be going on there.

It seems I missed a lot of comics, about 35 or so actually. Catching up on some good stuff so far and I am only up to Chapter 33. 20 more to go. Looks like a couple of my questions will be answered..........

Didn't watch last week, but I laughed when Ned Ryerson (you know, Needlenose Ned) showed up as Mohinder's boss. Also, wouldn't it be weird if Claire walked back into her house at the end of the episode and there was another her? (In other words, the toe grew another Claire).

The toe thing was pretty cool. And Flyboy saw that one, no doubt from me on that one.

Peter is not in control of some bad guy, I am glad to see that. Though I see a little crime spree in his future. The number of powers Peter has now is nuts. The one thing that does bug me is the super hearing which they seem not to have given him even though he was pretty damn close to Sylar in the final episode last season. That was one power which seemed pretty hard to get hold of for the people who had it, so if he doesn't have any problems from it and it just appears for him one episode it will be the first writing flaw with this show that will actually bug me.

Kenzo has the power of regeneration. Now with Flyboy that makes two new characters with the ability of another one. Looks like Hiro may actually convince the guy to be who he is supposed to be. I thought for sure Hiro would end up being the true Kenzo.

Angela Petrelli yelling in her head at Parkman was freakin' hilarious. The scene with her getting attacked was a trip.

Haitian guy was a cool little twist I wasn't looking for.

There better be some D.L./Nikki/Micah next episode, thats all I'm saying.

A very enjoyable episode. I was surprised to see Takezo heal at the end. I was also sure that Hiro was going to "become" Takezo. I'm very interested to see where they go with the Peter plot next, also I'm wondering how long until they start working Sylar back into things.

A very enjoyable episode. I was surprised to see Takezo heal at the end. I was also sure that Hiro was going to "become" Takezo. I'm very interested to see where they go with the Peter plot next, also I'm wondering how long until they start working Sylar back into things.

I wasn't playing 100% attention but I thought I saw Sylar was in next weeks episode during the previews at the end.....

The toe thing totally made me wince when she cut it. And of course the dog is jumping up... people generally don't look up (prior comic tie in - not a spoiler though, so don't jump on my back :p) ;).

I wonder where Peter's electro-shock tosses come from... but what he'll do to get his identity back should be fun.

I liked that Kenzo was a hero after all... rejeneration is a nice skill to have when people fling arrows at you.

I'm just wondering what Noah Bennett is planning. What does he need the Haitian for?

I'm just wondering what Noah Bennett is planning. What does he need the Haitian for?

Just a decent guy to have around I guess. More friends to help him take down The Company the better.

About the Haitian, I was watching season 1 disks again today and something bugged me a little. When Bennett and him grabbed Nathan at the Vegas hotel, Nathan flew away from them. Yet from other scenes with him (and the comics) it seems his ability to disable other's abilities isn't really something he turns on and off. Parkman was trying to read Bennett's mind once in the parking lot of the paper company and they never knew he was there, yet his mind reading was being blocked.

As for the here and now, the Maya/Alejandro story line needs to move along now. It was interesting to see him not get effected by her power, and then also to see him kind of neutralize it or something like that. Still, I just hope they get to the damn U.S. soon, I am a little impatient with that storyline for some reason.

Please God, get Peter out of Ireland ASAP, those accents are killing me!

As for the here and now, the Maya/Alejandro story line needs to move along now. It was interesting to see him not get effected by her power, and then also to see him kind of neutralize it or something like that. Still, I just hope they get to the damn U.S. soon, I am a little impatient with that storyline for some reason.

I'm thinking that they are twins, so together, combined they neutrize each other. Seperate, one has a plague, one has healing/cure.

Interesting twist on the twin concept invovling heroes.

Please God, get Peter out of Ireland ASAP, those accents are killing me!

The woman's accent is hot... but I have a thing for women with Irish accents.

The woman's accent is hot... but I have a thing for women with Irish accents.

Agreed with both. My girlfriend was constantly angry at me when we went on vacation to Ireland....that was some rough times.... ;)

The number of powers Peter has now is nuts. The one thing that does bug me is the super hearing which they seem not to have given him even though he was pretty damn close to Sylar in the final episode last season. That was one power which seemed pretty hard to get hold of for the people who had it, so if he doesn't have any problems from it and it just appears for him one episode it will be the first writing flaw with this show that will actually bug me.

Agreed, but I don't think he has it. I think it's been a pretty common set with Peter that he only gets powers when they've been used around him - I don't think Sylar used the melting-metal, super-hearing, or perfect-memory during the fight.

I wonder where Peter's electro-shock tosses come from... but what he'll do to get his identity back should be fun.

I think he gets it from Ted. The special effect seems to be the same.

About the Haitian, I was watching season 1 disks again today and something bugged me a little. When Bennett and him grabbed Nathan at the Vegas hotel, Nathan flew away from them. Yet from other scenes with him (and the comics) it seems his ability to disable other's abilities isn't really something he turns on and off. Parkman was trying to read Bennett's mind once in the parking lot of the paper company and they never knew he was there, yet his mind reading was being blocked.

I think we had a discussion about this last year. I can't recall exactly what we decided, but I think it had something to do with Parkman's power being a mental power (telepathy) and since the Haitian's power is all about mind-wiping, etc., that he just created a natural aura against telepathic powers. Sort of a void if you will.

If he can neutralize non-telepathic powers (which I seem to recall he can), then perhaps he has to be more active about it/focused on the power.

That's a bit of a leap, but not a significant one.

A pretty good episode. I enjoyed it.

Flyboy annoys the hell out of me. I want rid of him.

I like Mohinder working with Bennet and getting the Haitian guy. These first two episodes have been the best for Mohinder by far.

I don't enjoy Hiro in Japan as much as I enjoyed Hiro and Ando's adventures last year. It's not bad, but I see it as a bit of a downgrade.

The Irish accents are brutal. I really don't see how that guy could threaten Peter with that box. I mean, Peter could just telekentically pull the box out of the dude's hand/fire, flying the guy against the wall and be done with it all.

This, and the discussion above, is the problem with having a character like Peter on the show. He's sort of too all powerful and he has to act wildly inconsistent in order to be put in certain situations. They sort of dealt with this last year, describing how Peter needs to conjure up the image of someone to access their powers, so he might not always be able to use a certain power at a certain time or can get flustered, but certain abilities like the healing, telekensis, etc. he seems to have down pat, except for when he inexplicably does not.

Hm... I thought it was that Peter had to have the same feeling, and that was used as foreshadowing a bit this week when he didn't heal himself (apparently?) until the Irish girl came out and started cleaning him off.

The thing that they have right now with Peter is that with his memory gone, there's a clear avenue to him not remembering how to use certain powers, or not being able to do so consistently. I think it's a little bit of a cop-out, and not necessarily applied consistently, but it's not the worst way to keep him in check (short of killing him off altogether).

Hm... I thought it was that Peter had to have the same feeling, and that was used as foreshadowing a bit this week when he didn't heal himself (apparently?) until the Irish girl came out and started cleaning him off.

He did heal himself. It's just that he didn't notice it until she wiped off the blood (cop out there since he would've been "It's not sore at all when you wipe me off with that warm, wet cloth...").

So nobody wonders what happened to Claire's toe???

I was personally just glad that the dog didn't pick up the toe with his mouth and trot off with it.

How long until we see EvilCloneClaire?

I'm thinking that they are twins, so together, combined they neutrize each other. Seperate, one has a plague, one has healing/cure.

Interesting twist on the twin concept invovling heroes.
That's pretty much exactly what I was telling my wife.

I was personally just glad that the dog didn't pick up the toe with his mouth and trot off with it.

How long until we see EvilCloneClaire?
I think they are saving that for season 5!

The twin theory is a very strong theory. I'm guessing takezo kensei is in the same blood lines as the petrelli's. Maybe that will play a role at some point this season.

The twin theory is a very strong theory. I'm guessing takezo kensei is in the same blood lines as the petrelli's. Maybe that will play a role at some point this season.

Why? Because he's white?

Actually because of claire.... they both regenerate... maybe it skips generations or something :P

Why? Because he's white?

I would guess the healing factor being connected... but it could be because he's white. I think Micah's uncle is the Haitian.

edit: ok, Arlington beat me to the possible explanation.

Actually because of claire.... they both regenerate... maybe it skips generations or something :P
It skipped a lot of generations!

Besides why couldn't he be Parkmans relative. I don't think specific traits are based on relation. Nothing has shown that is the way they are going. The gene for powers is relative but I think powers can just be random.

Everyone being related is a bit too "nice" & coincidental for me.

My latest pet theory is that Kensei is the 'first' hero and that EVERYONE is related to him.

Almost definately not the case but.. could be.

He'd have to get pretty busy though.

I don't think Claire's toe will be interesting. It's not connected to her brain so it shouldn't regenerate anything.

At least it better not because that would be ridiculous.

My latest pet theory is that Kensei is the 'first' hero and that EVERYONE is related to him.

Almost definately not the case but.. could be.

He'd have to get pretty busy though.

It seems like if he does become such a hero, he'd be able to father many children. However, then a person like Hiro or the Haitian don't fit in...

I don't think Claire's toe will be interesting. It's not connected to her brain so it shouldn't regenerate anything.

At least it better not because that would be ridiculous.

At first I thought about Wolverine, and that never happened to him (grew a clone out of a severed limb). But the creator of Heroes I believe has said he doesn't read comics, so maybe he won't follow that convention.

The brain thing is a good reason.

I don't think Claire's toe will be interesting. It's not connected to her brain so it shouldn't regenerate anything.

At least it better not because that would be ridiculous.

yes, but it would mean we get to see twice as much of hayden panitierre, which i dont have a problem with.

powers are connected to the eclipse i believe. season 1, episode 1 the eclipse was alluded to having triggered the powers, then in the last episode of season 1 they showed the eclipse happening again, perhaps that activated Kensei's healing power. that falls in line with the "skips generations" theory, since eclipses don't happen all the time.

powers are connected to the eclipse i believe. season 1, episode 1 the eclipse was alluded to having triggered the powers, then in the last episode of season 1 they showed the eclipse happening again, perhaps that activated Kensei's healing power. that falls in line with the "skips generations" theory, since eclipses don't happen all the time.
Yeah just about every 12-18 months..
http://www.earthview.com/timetable/futureTSE.htm

Unless you mean annular which is still every 7 years or so.

;)

that kid who flies annoys me also. i hope he bumps into Sylar.

Total solar eclipses are rare events. Although they occur somewhere on Earth approximately every 18 months, it has been estimated that they recur at any given place only once every 370 years, on average.

Hmm.

:D

Hmm.

:D

that makes sense. happened (in the Heroes universe) in 2006 and 1671 (Japan).

2006-1671= 335.

So what, we are trying to say, everything is because of an eclipse in Japan? I thought the total eclipse previously was in New York. If there is a total Eclipse in New York they ain't seeing any of it Japan, and vise versa...

that makes sense. happened (in the Heroes universe) in 2006 and 1671 (Japan).

2006-1671= 335.

Yes, because New York City and Japan are the same place.

There is a reason why Season 2, aka Chapter 2 is called Generations.

powers are connected to the eclipse i believe. season 1, episode 1 the eclipse was alluded to having triggered the powers, then in the last episode of season 1 they showed the eclipse happening again, perhaps that activated Kensei's healing power. that falls in line with the "skips generations" theory, since eclipses don't happen all the time.

The powers are not connected to the elcipses.

In season 1, the "Six Months Ago" episode shows that some people had powers before the eclipse. Also the episode that shows Bennett's past proves that there have always been people with powers (invisible man). We are just picking up the lives of these people with powers at this point in time.

Now maybe the eclipse does have something with powers coming to the forefront for some people, but it is definetly not everyone.

The comics also show that the powers were there for people before the eclipse.

I think the eclipse is just a nice little gimic to hang onto for the show.....

Does Maya kills people by killing their souls?

I'm really enjoying this season. Very consistent, there's no storyline or aspect I dislike.

I was a little worried after the lackluster final quarter last year, but so far this is far better.

Not bad, but this show makes me wonder why NBC thought it was wise to put Journeyman after Heroes. Was this the pitch?

"Look, this show is about a guy who can travel through time."
"Yeah, we already have that with Heroes...and other people with a lot of other powers."
"Yeah, but this guy doesn't speak in subtitles!"
"Sounds good. This show is definitely different. We'll put it on after Heroes because people can't get enough of time traveling."

I liked this episode as it took the plot threads started in the premiere into good directions. I was fearing that the Kensai plot would be "Hiro as Kensai", but it appears there may be a bit more to that than it seems (perhaps a merging of both Kensai and Hiro's powers to create the legend). I also like that Maya, who seemed innocent, using her powers to kill to get her bro out of jail. And Peter liked being the badass.

Hiro has always been one of my favorite characters, but Masi Oka is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors. I think he did an excellent job in last night's episode. So far, I don't see any signs of a sophomore slump and I'm enjoying every episode.

I really liked last nights episode- a lot of good story lines going on. Pete's story is pretty cool, although he should have opened the damn box... I mean really, who wouldn't?

The robot boy flying Claire up into the clouds was so cheesy it was almost painful. I can understand why it needed to happen some way like that- him reveling his powers and such, but it was just so damn cheesy.

And it's great to have Sylar back....can't wait to see what happens with that one.

And Peter liked being the badass.

i thought the peter scene had quite the "anakin skywalker on the landing pad with obi-wan and padme" feel...where he really started to like the power he had,. and someone else jolted him back to NOT being evil

Going against the grain here, I am still not too sure how I feel about this season...

I hate West. He's got a retarded name and is deeply annoying.

The twin's storyline has been dull and repetitive. It's been pretty much the same thing every episode: (1) They are running to America; (2) they get caught; (3) Maya kills people; and (4) they escape. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

I did like the twist in this episode, however, where Maya did it willingly. It seems she knows she doesn't have control over it and needs to be under duress, so she forced the cops to arrest her. A nice touch, but still I'd like to see something a little more already...

It was good to have Sylar back and I was very, very happy that showed Candice as being fat in reality. I wonder if they realized they dropped the ball last season when she still looked like Candice when unconscious. When she got knocked out all of her illusions went away, but what she looked like. A little inconsistent, but they saved it nicely in this last episode.

I love Hiro, but I much preferred his adventures with Ando last year as compared to what he's doing now.

I am still not sure about Peter's storyline with the whole Irish gangster thing. There have been some good scenes, but I am just not convinced yet.

So far, surprisingly enough, my favorite plot has been the whole Mohinder-Parkman-Mr. Bennett group vs. the Corporation. I like those scenes quite a bit, poor acting by Parkman aside. It's a fun story and it will be interesting to see where it goes.

I must have missed the fat Candice. It's definitely a different actress though, right? Even when she was in the bikini... she didn't look as hot as last year?

Doesn't it look like the Irish family might have powers too? When the crest tattoo was disappearing off of Peter, it turned into that genetic symbol...

My opinions on this show seem to be heading southward.

Parkman and Mohinder are like my two least favorite characters and actors, and tossing them into a 'my two dads' plot with Molly ain't exactly helping the situation.

I like Sylar the character and the actor a lot, but having him and Peter and Nathan all still alive just highlights how lame and pointless last season's finale was.

As HB mentioned above me, Hiro on his own is not nearly as entertaining as his adventures with Ando. Ando seems like a real person, whereas Hiro is pretty much just a stereotype on his lonesome.

Can we please get Peter and his ever-present sneer out of Ireland ASAP. Talk about stereotypes, those accents are getting WORSE every week and the characters are worthless. The naked guy handcuffed in the freight container did not steal your iPods, geniuses.

Claire, HRG and family have some relatively good acting chops, which makes their story ten times more interesting, but that damn 'robot or alien' kid has to be put to a painful death, the sooner the better, 'cause he's sucking the life out of that storyline.

The Mexican twins are 2-dimensional so far, let's pick this storyline up already, I think we all understand the premise of their powers.

Nathan and Nikki are probably the best actors on the show, and they've been pretty much stuck to the sidelines as of yet, which isn't helping.

I must have missed the fat Candice. It's definitely a different actress though, right? Even when she was in the bikini... she didn't look as hot as last year?

Doesn't it look like the Irish family might have powers too? When the crest tattoo was disappearing off of Peter, it turned into that genetic symbol...

They did have a different actress play the role. She changed from "Candice" to "Michelle" because she was in hiding. After Sylar offed her, however, they had yet a third actress play her. You couldn't see her face, since she was lying face down on the floor, but she was a big lady. Definitely not the actress you saw in the bikini prior to that.

Nathan and Nikki are probably the best actors on the show, and they've been pretty much stuck to the sidelines as of yet, which isn't helping.

But the Nikki storyline is even worse than the twins.

But the Nikki storyline is even worse than the twins.

The current one? How can it be worse? She's had all of 3 minutes of screen time. We're not even sure what her storyline is.

It seems like she's suffering from the virus, though she could also be asking for the Corporation to "cure" her from her powers.

That said, if they go down the same road they did last time with her, someone using leverage on her to force her to "do evils", then, yes, that'd be a poor storyline and too similar to most of her story last year.

I like Sylar the character and the actor a lot, but having him and Peter and Nathan all still alive just highlights how lame and pointless last season's finale was.

I couldn't agree more. I understand that it's tough to get rid of two stars of the cast (especially, as mentioned below, when one of them is your best actors), but it does really make the finale quite lame and pointless indeed.


Can we please get Peter and his ever-present sneer out of Ireland ASAP. Talk about stereotypes, those accents are getting WORSE every week and the characters are worthless. The naked guy handcuffed in the freight container did not steal your iPods, geniuses.

Yes.


Claire, HRG and family have some relatively good acting chops, which makes their story ten times more interesting, but that damn 'robot or alien' kid has to be put to a painful death, the sooner the better, 'cause he's sucking the life out of that storyline.

Nathan and Nikki are probably the best actors on the show, and they've been pretty much stuck to the sidelines as of yet, which isn't helping.

Most definitely, yes.

The current one? How can it be worse? She's had all of 3 minutes of screen time. We're not even sure what her storyline is.

I think he means Niki's complete storyline. From last season on.

And hearing about how some of these storylines suck so bad, I do sometimes have an urge to go back to the Season 1 thread and read again what people were saying about the Niki/Jessica and Mohinder storylines in Season 1 :D.

I think he means Niki's complete storyline. From last season on.

And hearing about how some of these storylines suck so bad, I do sometimes have an urge to go back to the Season 1 thread and read again what people were saying about the Niki/Jessica and Mohinder storylines in Season 1 :D.


Yes, basically. Her "power" is by far the worst on the show (well, the twins might match it). I think the only way the character could be rescued for me is if she gained control of herself, lost the evil side and just became a chick with super strength.

People were definitely dogging both Niki/Jessica and Mohinder in the Season 1 thread. There is no revisionist history here.

I think he means Niki's complete storyline. From last season on.

And hearing about how some of these storylines suck so bad, I do sometimes have an urge to go back to the Season 1 thread and read again what people were saying about the Niki/Jessica and Mohinder storylines in Season 1 :D.

There were plenty that were lame last year, especially Mohinder and to some extent Nikki's, though I always liked her story more than most, I think.

That said, last year had some very solid arcs and a lot of mystery that this season has lacked. For a long time there was all sorts of speculation about Mr. Bennet and the Haitian. Hiro and Ando were constantly great. Sylar was a menacing threat.


To sum up, the bad storylines this season are just as bad (if not worse) than the bad ones last year. The "good" storylines this season, however, are nowhere near the quality of last year's solid arcs.

Yes, basically. Her "power" is by far the worst on the show (well, the twins might match it). I think the only way the character could be rescued for me is if she gained control of herself, lost the evil side and just became a chick with super strength.

People were definitely dogging both Niki/Jessica and Mohinder in the Season 1 thread. There is no revisionist history here.

I kind of liked Nikki's power. What's wrong with super-strength and super ass-kickery? It's not the greatest, but it worked well.

I thought she did gain control of herself, and no longer has the split personality?

I kind of liked Nikki's power. What's wrong with super-strength and super ass-kickery? It's not the greatest, but it worked well.

It was the stupid split personality crap that killed her character.

I thought she did gain control of herself, and no longer has the split personality?

Did she? Maybe I got so put-off by the first 90% of the season with her character that I stopped paying attention.

I thought she did gain control of herself, and no longer has the split personality?

I thought so too.

It was the stupid split personality crap that killed her character.



Did she? Maybe I got so put-off by the first 90% of the season with her character that I stopped paying attention.

I felt that the split-personality is what gave her character depth, and made her story interesting. Without it, her story flattens.

To sum up, the bad storylines this season are just as bad (if not worse) than the bad ones last year. The "good" storylines this season, however, are nowhere near the quality of last year's solid arcs.

Being that it's the second show, I doubt the arcs have even really taken shape. I surmise that the nightmare man takes all the heros out of their "living normally" lives.

Being that it's the second show, I doubt the arcs have even really taken shape. I surmise that the nightmare man takes all the heros out of their "living normally" lives.

A fair point, though I think there have been at least 3 episodes so far. I don't mind a nicely paced story and understand the need for a "reset", but so far things have not been all that interesting or compelling.

I must have missed the fat Candice. It's definitely a different actress though, right? Even when she was in the bikini... she didn't look as hot as last year?

Doesn't it look like the Irish family might have powers too? When the crest tattoo was disappearing off of Peter, it turned into that genetic symbol...

The girl who played Candice last year can be seen on "Reaper" as the love interest of the lead character. (or wanna be love interest at this point)

The girl who played Candice last year can be seen on "Reaper" as the love interest of the lead character. (or wanna be love interest at this point)

I thought she looked familar.

It was good to have Sylar back and I was very, very happy that showed Candice as being fat in reality. I wonder if they realized they dropped the ball last season when she still looked like Candice when unconscious. When she got knocked out all of her illusions went away, but what she looked like. A little inconsistent, but they saved it nicely in this last episode.


Not necessarily. Last year she was just knocked out. Perhaps, she had enough residual subconscious ability left to maintain the illusion. This year, she was killed. That could explain the inconsistency. Shrug. Also, as far as looks go, I definitely prefered Candace to this year's illusion. Also, if you want to learn more about the character including what she looked like, last year's comics online are a must read.

Not necessarily. Last year she was just knocked out. Perhaps, she had enough residual subconscious ability left to maintain the illusion. This year, she was killed. That could explain the inconsistency. Shrug. Also, as far as looks go, I definitely prefered Candace to this year's illusion. Also, if you want to learn more about the character including what she looked like, last year's comics online are a must read.

I agree that there was a difference. The residual subconscious angle is a good one. I tend to try think the writers have a strong understanding of their worlds and the powers they create, so I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. I like that explanation and shall adopt it.

I totally preferred Candace as well. I found Candace distractingly attractive. Michelle, not so much.

I take the lack of activity and interest in this thread as a sign that people feel about Season 2 much the same as I feel about Season 2.

IT SUCKS

I think this season is pretty good.

I thought last night did a good job setting up some possibilities... isn't November sweeps month? If so, I think next week will start a run of good episodes, or at least cliff hangers.

Yeah, I like the season so far. They convinced me for a sec that papa Parkman wasn't the bad guy. I wonder who electro girl was talking to?

I liked last nights episode- still a lot of different stories running around not connected so it makes the episodes seem a little jumpy, but you can tell they are getting closer to each other. Not a lot of action last night, but some good story (except Peter's irish girl, she sucks...)

Wow, Claire is intrigued by her ability to heal and she's being hit on by a guy at school who can fly. Hiro is in 17th century Japan fawning over a woman. Peter has lost his memory. A brother and sister with powers are trying to get to the US. Which episode is this? ALL OF THEM.

Yeah, I like the season so far. They convinced me for a sec that papa Parkman wasn't the bad guy. I wonder who electro girl was talking to?

I thought that Parkman's dad was the bad guy. Huh. Kristen Bell was talking to Needlenose Ned, I think.

Well, except Claire and Maja y Alejandro weren't involved last night, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative.

Also, can we get "Bob" a last name? I mean, Mohinder works for him. Theoretically he at least has a fake name other than just Bob. And I think he is the most likely candidate for who Kristen Bell was talking to.

Wow, Claire is intrigued by her ability to heal and she's being hit on by a guy at school who can fly. Hiro is in 17th century Japan fawning over a woman. Peter has lost his memory. A brother and sister with powers are trying to get to the US. Which episode is this? ALL OF THEM.

Aww, come on now. Neither Claire nor the Wonder Death Twins were in this last episode... Though I imagine both will feature prominently, performing their assigned tasks, in next week's episode.

I liked all of the Parkman/Nathan/Mr. Parkman stuff. I thought it was pretty cool.

If Ricky dying means Peter leaves Ireland. Good.

Micah's cousin is boring. Though if I had her power, I would have immediately gone out and rented as many kung fu and action movies as possible and maybe every episode of MacGyver.

Hiro is Japan continues to bore... The whole messages to Ando thing doesn't make much sense and is just a lame story-telling device.

And I think he is the most likely candidate for who Kristen Bell was talking to.

Agreed.

Wow, Claire is intrigued by her ability to heal and she's being hit on by a guy at school who can fly. Hiro is in 17th century Japan fawning over a woman. Peter has lost his memory. A brother and sister with powers are trying to get to the US. Which episode is this? ALL OF THEM.

even though you are ripping that off from EW, I agree.

it's also rather annoying that all the plot twists so far - large and small - have been pretty obvious. Last year, I was surprised more than a few times. This year, it's like I'm 20 minutes (or more) ahead of the writers. and I'm not that smart.

I knew there was something "wrong" about Kristen Bell.

she's a Red Wings fan.

I knew there was something "wrong" about Kristen Bell.

she's a Red Wings fan.

There is nothing wrong with Kristen Bell. There is simply everything right with her. That's what's throwing you off, DD.

As I have mentioned before, the similarities between me and the lovely Ms. Bell are uncanny.



Born, Detroit, Michigan (like H_B)

Attended Shrine Catholic High School in Royal Oak, Michigan. (where H_B lives)

Was voted PETA's "World's Sexiest Vegetarian" for 2006. (H_B is not a vegetarian, but if he was, he'd certainly would be one of the world's sexiest)

Roots passionately for the Detroit Red Wings. (Oh yes!)

Was named by Jane magazine in the U.S.A. as one of the "11 People You'd Most Like to See Naked." (Ditto)

She loves animals and often volunteers for animal related charities. (Same here)

She was mentioned in People's Magazine "Most Beautiful 2007" on the Beauty at every age page. She was the beauty at age 26. (I was the beuaty at age 33.)

If I wasn't already married, I am sure our nuptials would be a complete no-brainer for her. I could see it now, me proposing to her at a Wings game on the Jumbotron.

ROMANTIC!

Im really enjoying season 2 as well.

Im really enjoying season 2 as well.

I'm enjoying it now that Kristen Bell is on the show.

I like this season myself. The first few episodes was to set things up. Without them, the fun plague stuff, that's going to probably be the big bad massive thing won't be adequately explained. And it seems in the previews for next week that Sylar wants Alejandro's power to take the black stuff away from Maya.

The "Nightmare Man" was awesome. And perfectly done. And now Parkman realizes he can do the same thing, with practice.... but he'll probably use it to imprision his father for good. Though I'm not sure that he's the (only) one knocking off the rest of the original heroes... after all, Ando saw the guy knock off Kaito off the roof... unless Ando was in the nightmare as well (though SOMEONE would have had to push Kaito off).

It seems like Noah and the Haitian are in Russia, doing who knows what. Electromagnetic girl (ie, Bell's character) seems to be very interesting (and perhaps has met Peter, hence him shooting bolts)... though i'm seeing a plastic prison in her future (paging Magneto's jail in X-Men movie?).

It seems like Noah and the Haitian are in Russia, doing who knows what.
I thought he was looking for the last six or seven paintings done by that dude who could see the future.

Anyhow, Monica Dawson's (?) power reminds me of the Taskmaster. Instead of calling it Photographic Reflexes, they called it Muscle Mimicry. I really liked the Taskmaster.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8375/taskmastergz6.jpg

I like this season myself. The first few episodes was to set things up. Without them, the fun plague stuff, that's going to probably be the big bad massive thing won't be adequately explained. And it seems in the previews for next week that Sylar wants Alejandro's power to take the black stuff away from Maya.

The "Nightmare Man" was awesome. And perfectly done. And now Parkman realizes he can do the same thing, with practice.... but he'll probably use it to imprision his father for good. Though I'm not sure that he's the (only) one knocking off the rest of the original heroes... after all, Ando saw the guy knock off Kaito off the roof... unless Ando was in the nightmare as well (though SOMEONE would have had to push Kaito off).

It seems like Noah and the Haitian are in Russia, doing who knows what. Electromagnetic girl (ie, Bell's character) seems to be very interesting (and perhaps has met Peter, hence him shooting bolts)... though i'm seeing a plastic prison in her future (paging Magneto's jail in X-Men movie?).

I agree with all of this. I'm enjoying season 2 just as much as season 1 and I think they are doing a nice job of buildup and setting up for some great episodes in the upcoming weeks.

A nice episode tonight, with Noah acting all shades of grey again, to get what he needs to protect his family.

Sylar trying to corrupt Maya and Peter going to a future where a virulent strain has cleared out most of the world... though I'm not sure if it is because of Maya or the Company's experiments on the virus.

Claire is also being slowly corrupted by West (is he working for the Company?). Bob seemingly gives into Mohinder and lets the muscle mimic keep her powers (or was that a ruse?) and gives her Niki as a partner to "make sure there are no more misunderstandings" (sounds omnious).

And Hiro is really messing up with time as a betrayed Kensei decides to turn over everyone to White Beard instead.

I liked the fact that Monica got an iPod with everything that would be cool to do.

Oh, and HRG was excellent as well. He threatened to take away the dead daughter's memories and then killed the guy. Ruthless, I tell you.

I liked the fact that Monica got an Tracking Device with everything that would be cool to do.Fixed...

Dola - FINALLY! An episode with some substance - cheerleader aside that is.

Great story with HRG including help from the Haitian and the nice finish to the interrogation, a nice twist in the dreadful Hiro storyline, and some mystery surrounding Peter that doesn't involve the weak amnesia angle. And hooray for putting a puzzle together to figure out with the paintings, but it would have been nice if it weren't basically a rehash of last year.

As for Claire getting back at the lead cheerleader, my wife asked me if we were watching Heroes or Saved by the Bell. Saved by the Bell was never that lame.

This season sucks so far, but last night's episode had some promise.

As for Claire getting back at the lead cheerleader, my wife asked me if we were watching Heroes or Saved by the Bell. Saved by the Bell was never that lame.

I thought this started Claire down the development path of doing whatever it takes to get what you want...I can see this storyline setting something up with Claire that makes her like her Father (Noah)

I agree. A decent episode, especially the HRG stuff. Those scenes were great.

I find the Hiro stuff painfully dull and I was happy there was little of Peter and Irish Lass.

Certainly an interesting development with Clair and this was by far the best episode of the X-Files Black Oil Twins and Sylar.

Oh, and HRG was excellent as well. He threatened to take away the dead daughter's memories and then killed the guy. Ruthless, I tell you.

Yep. I loved his scenes. Overall, the best episode of the season.

I thought this started Claire down the development path of doing whatever it takes to get what you want...I can see this storyline setting something up with Claire that makes her like her Father (Noah)

Yep, exactly. Claire, who really was the good girl in the series, is now headed down a more sinister path. She was upset afterwards with West about it, but I think she'll find it easier to do. And West seems to be a big proponent of using your powers where it'll benefit you the most. I'm not sure if he isn't working for the Company, but it makes Claire into a more interesting character in the future.

Yep, exactly. Claire, who really was the good girl in the series, is now headed down a more sinister path. She was upset afterwards with West about it, but I think she'll find it easier to do. And West seems to be a big proponent of using your powers where it'll benefit you the most. I'm not sure if he isn't working for the Company, but it makes Claire into a more interesting character in the future.

Agreed, I'm hoping they challenge the actress with some good character development.

Just watched the last episode shown, and I enjoyed it again.

I am wondering who this Adam guy is that Bob had a file of, and then had a message waiting for Peter in Montreal talking about the company.

Still a bit of confusion about who is the real bad guy here once again. The Company, Parkman's father (who could be part of the Co.), or Sylar, or ppossibly this Adam guy.

I also wait to see what happens with the Sylar storyline, since the actor will be leaving the show for a while to go play Spock in November.

Awesome twist...can't say I was expecting that!

now THATS what I'm talking about - writers have really shifted into another gear these last 2 episodes.

That was an awesome twist at the end.

Good twist, but not unexpected. I knew Kensei would show up again...little did I realize so soon.

I figured that Kensai was Adam in the middle of the episode (after all, he's English... Takezo Kensai can't be his real name). I was hoping they'd drag out the 'surprise' longer. But it should be interesting to see what Adam wants to do with Peter.

And find out everything that happened between the season finale and the this season's premiere.

Good twist, but not unexpected. I knew Kensei would show up again...little did I realize so soon.

i agree, great twist, but i think this is the first time in the series that I knew what was going to happen...if peter could survive a nuclear explosion, there was no way Adam wasnt going to survive a simple little black powder detonation.

I'm glad he has a bigger role.

Anyone who watched Alias remembers him as Sark and he plays a very likeable bad guy.

Good twist, but not unexpected. I knew Kensei would show up again...little did I realize so soon.

Ditto. Still a very enjoyable episode, and I'm glad we have Ando and Hiro back together again.

Ditto. Still a very enjoyable episode, and I'm glad we have Ando and Hiro back together again.

Agreed.

Definitely looking forward to next week!

i think Adam wants Peter to be able to go back in time and get back at Hiro again in old Japan. also, i think Adam murdered Hiro's father - he pushed himself and Hiro's father off a building and used his healing powers to survive the fall.

'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

It's encouraging that Kring recognizes many of the common complaints.

sound like he has been reading our thread....WE MADE A DIFFERANCE!!!

The only thing that doesn't bother me was the pace, though I enough story-telling. Everything else is spot on.

Hiro being in Japan for so long isn't a complaint anymore, IMO... especially since now we know that it really was to develop the character of Kensai/Adam. Of course, at the time, we had no idea.

It's encouraging that Kring recognizes many of the common complaints.

Oddly, earlier in the week he said that they didn't care what people thought and that they had a plan for the season. Sounds like damage control to me.

Hiro being in Japan for so long isn't a complaint anymore, IMO... especially since now we know that it really was to develop the character of Kensai/Adam. Of course, at the time, we had no idea.

I disagree. They didn't really do all that much to develop Kensai/Adam. His arc was simple. He was a useless drunk. He became a reluctant hero. He then bought into the hero thing. He then became an anti-hero because he felt betrayed by Hiro.

They really could have accomplished all of that in three episodes. Adam/Kensai is not all that complex of a character.

Adam/Kensai is not all that complex of a character.

I'm hoping this changes with future episodes, as I find the actor enjoyable to watch.

I disagree. They didn't really do all that much to develop Kensai/Adam. His arc was simple. He was a useless drunk. He became a reluctant hero. He then bought into the hero thing. He then became an anti-hero because he felt betrayed by Hiro.

They really could have accomplished all of that in three episodes. Adam/Kensai is not all that complex of a character.

I think his change from drunk to realizing he had powers to hero is essential to his being a "visionary". Also the depth of his hatred for Hiro had to show a very close friendship and deep love for the swordsmith's daughter... only to be betrayed. A three episode arc, I think, would have been way too quick to justify the level of hatred he seems to have for Hiro.

So since Adam is behind the company (his symbol being everywhere), then at some point in the past he turned dark, since the company has been around since the start. So that means Hiro already had traveled back in time, meaning that they were always meant to save the world as they did in season 1, because Hiro always had to go back in time to start everything on its path. So the whole first season was completely worthless.

I think his change from drunk to realizing he had powers to hero is essential to his being a "visionary". Also the depth of his hatred for Hiro had to show a very close friendship and deep love for the swordsmith's daughter... only to be betrayed. A three episode arc, I think, would have been way too quick to justify the level of hatred he seems to have for Hiro.

I would agree with you, if all those espidoes actually accomplished what you described (quite nicely) above.

I really don't think they did. I never really got the sense that Hiro and Adam had a "very close friendship" and certainly never saw much evidence in the way of his "deep love for the swordsmith's daughter." The Hiro/swordsmith's daughter relationship, yes. Adam and the girl? Not so much.

I think the last two episodes of the arc, we saw how much Adam cared for the daughter, and she seemed to like him as well. It also seemed to me that Adam and Hiro were becoming really close. It wasn't all hero worship on Hiro's part, there was a reciprocal admiration in those 2 eps.

So Adam has lived for 350 years or so? Is this because of his regeneration ability fighting the aging process? So Clair will be a hot high school cheerleader forever? Niiiiice.

Kick ass episode btw.

So Adam has lived for 350 years or so? Is this because of his regeneration ability fighting the aging process? So Clair will be a hot high school cheerleader forever? Niiiiice.

Kick ass episode btw.

I think that's the case. That's sort of how it works in the X-Men comics with Wolverine at least. Not to quite that extent, but it definitely significantly slows down the aging process.

So Adam has lived for 350 years or so? Is this because of his regeneration ability fighting the aging process? So Clair will be a hot high school cheerleader forever? Niiiiice.

Kick ass episode btw.

I think that's the case. That's sort of how it works in the X-Men comics with Wolverine at least. Not to quite that extent, but it definitely significantly slows down the aging process.

i disagree HB...i think cringer is much more correct...

all the main characters had their powers manifest during an eclipse, including claire (in the first episode of the show, and adam, although we didnt realize it at the time, in the last episode of season 1)

i think that their age has been fixed at the time their powers kicked in, which means claire will be a hot cheerleader forever (YES!!!!)

i disagree HB...i think cringer is much more correct...

all the main characters had their powers manifest during an eclipse, including claire (in the first episode of the show, and adam, although we didnt realize it at the time, in the last episode of season 1)

i think that their age has been fixed at the time their powers kicked in, which means claire will be a hot cheerleader forever (YES!!!!)

Uh... Maybe I wasn't too clear, but I was totally agreeing with Cringer on that point. I just added the part about X-Men and Wolverine as an example of how comics have treated regeneration's effect on the agining process. The last line was in reference to Wolverine, not Claire.

I certainly agree that in the show, they are taking the approach that the approach that as soon as the powers "kick in", the aging process pretty much stops completely.

all the main characters had their powers manifest during an eclipse, including claire (in the first episode of the show, and adam, although we didnt realize it at the time, in the last episode of season 1) (YES!!!!)

I am actually not sure if that part about Claire is accurate. I don't remember the first episode all that well (was there an eclipse starting it off?) If I recall correctly the first time we saw Claire was when she was having herself recorded while she jumped off the refinery. Her character arc started in media res. It was pretty clear that her powers had manifested before she was first shown on screen and she had been testing the range of her powers incremently over some period of time.

I am actually not sure if that part about Claire is accurate. I don't remember the first episode all that well (was there an eclipse starting it off?) If I recall correctly the first time we saw Claire was when she was having herself recorded while she jumped off the refinery. Her character arc started in media res. It was pretty clear that her powers had manifested before she was first shown on screen and she had been testing the range of her powers incremently over some period of time.

youre correct that the first time we saw her was when she was jumping off the gantry at the quarry, but she had just discovered her powers...i dont recall exactly but i think she said it was the 38th attempt...the first scene of the pilot was an eclipse occuring, just like the one in the last scene, so it is reasonable to assume that if claire had just discovered her powers with a few days or weeks of the first eclipse, that it was the trigger for their manifestation....it was the trigger for peter, parkman, and nikki becoming aware of her abilities.

It seeems interest is waning.

It seeems interest is waning.Not for me.. this is still my favorite show going right now.. I just have been busy so I'm always behind on watching the episode by at least a few days which means I miss out on the good discussions.

Not for me. I loved the last episode... explained a lot of stuff and made me question if Adam is actually a bad guy (and rather the Company is the evil one).

I actually really enjoy the slow pacing. However, if it leads to five episodes being crammed into two like we saw with last years finale I can do without it.

Not for me. I loved the last episode... explained a lot of stuff and made me question if Adam is actually a bad guy (and rather the Company is the evil one).

same here...i also love the fact that they answered some questions, and in doing so, asked other ones...such as, we know what the deal was with the vision of nathan in the mirror now, but we dont know if claire's blood will cure other peoples the same way adam's does.

we also know what happened to peter's memories, but we dont know what happened to sylars

Not for me.. this is still my favorite show going right now.. I just have been busy so I'm always behind on watching the episode by at least a few days which means I miss out on the good discussions.

Not for me, either. I'm busy prepping for this weekend, but I really enjoyed last night's episode. It is one of my favorite series right now (along with Dexter.)

I actually really enjoy the slow pacing. However, if it leads to five episodes being crammed into two like we saw with last years finale I can do without it.

Try like 8+ into 2 or 3 when you factor in them having to do the finale earlier due to the writer's strike. Unless they are going to leave some stories hanging for next season, but I'd fully expect this season to be done 3 episodes from now.

I thought last night's episode was ok.

I wasn't thrilled with Nikki's second split personality. The whole thing just felt like a warmed over re-hash of the first season.

I also found the twins' scenes pretty boring, but that's really been the case since they started. The only time those two have been interested has been when Sylar is around.

I liked the Adam/Peter/Elle stuff. I always like it when the Hatian makes an appearance too. He's very cool.

Well, considering that Chapter 2 was supposed to end in December, with Chapter 3 starting the next January, I don't think it'll be close to that many eps being crammed into the last 3.

incredible guy, that Adam. presumably, he's at least 400 years old and, if his story is true, he's been in captivity for 30 years. still has a rockin' accent, though!

fwiw, there's a quick article in the newest EW where Tim Kring admits they made a few mistakes this year - dragging out the Hiro saga, introducing the lame Claire / Annoying Flying Emo Guy romance, introducing new characters seperately from the main group, instead of integrating them off the bat (like Elle was), and not foreshadowing the impending doom soon enough (he says he should have had Peter visiting future NY in episode 1). that's encouraging - he seems to have a good grasp on what's wrong with the show.

I thought last night's episode was ok.

I wasn't thrilled with Nikki's second split personality. The whole thing just felt like a warmed over re-hash of the first season.


and couldn't they have given this one better hair? That pulled back thing was nasty.

I agree, it was rather lame. As was bringing back DL from the dead just to kill him again.

fwiw, there's a quick article in the newest EW where Tim Kring admits they made a few mistakes this year - dragging out the Hiro saga, introducing the lame Claire / Annoying Flying Emo Guy romance, introducing new characters seperately from the main group, instead of integrating them off the bat (like Elle was), and not foreshadowing the impending doom soon enough (he says he should have had Peter visiting future NY in episode 1). that's encouraging - he seems to have a good grasp on what's wrong with the show.

You mean these mistakes:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1589508&postcount=196

;)

and couldn't they have given this one better hair? That pulled back thing was nasty.

Well it was from when she was 16.

And Bob put it very nicely as to why Niki has these alternate personalities. One wonders why she's the only one.

You mean these mistakes:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1589508&postcount=196

;)

oops! missed a page. :cool:

Enjoying the season too. Curious to see if Adam is really a good guy that just hates Hiro.

Great episode. I knew they wouldn't kill off HRG. This is soooo building up better than last season.

I gotta admit that the best episodes involve HRG. That guy rocks. I also liked the reasoning given behind Hiro not saving his dad. It fits and is a plausible explanation as to why he doesn't arbitrarily change the past.

"Stings like a Bitch, doesn't it?" - Best line of the series :D.

Noah definately does kick ass. His willingness to do WHATEVER it takes to protect Claire makes for some great episodes. Though it is interesting that the Company chose to save Noah, instead of giving the cure to Niki. Seemingly makes the explination that the Company wants to spread the virus... just thinks it can control it to the dangerous heroes. I'm thinking in the mass killing timeline, the virus Niki holds comes into contact with Maya (or Sylar having Maya's plague power), making it a super-virus.

West totally redeeming himself in this episode. It was great.

And it seemed like Parkman decided to become just like his Dad... because in the end, the name for the woman was over her picture.

Here is a thought... since Noah has been revived with Claire's blood, does that mean Noah is immortal as well? Claire's blood is going to flow through his veins until he dies, after all... and it has healing ability, obviously.

Here is a thought... since Noah has been revived with Claire's blood, does that mean Noah is immortal as well? Claire's blood is going to flow through his veins until he dies, after all... and it has healing ability, obviously.

This would mean Nathan is as well. I'm thinking the whole blood tranfer thing has many holes.

This would mean Nathan is as well. I'm thinking the whole blood tranfer thing has many holes.

Maybe I'm giving way too much credit to the writers, but a normal blood cell has a life span of 90-120 days. I think these blood cells despite their powers, would not have an infinite life span. Rather, the thing that makes Claire and Adam immortal is that they can continue to produce mass amounts of these powerful blood cells.

Maybe I'm giving way too much credit to the writers, but a normal blood cell has a life span of 90-120 days. I think these blood cells despite their powers, would not have an infinite life span. Rather, the thing that makes Claire and Adam immortal is that they can continue to produce mass amounts of these powerful blood cells.

That is how I looked at it as well...

I'd say it was a pretty good episode but I figured this one out wayyy to early on, it was pretty obvious with everything that was going on that HRG would be shot- and would be brought back with Claire's blood... (Although I thought that she would be around and have something to do with it)

Is it safe to assume Adam is Claire's father?

Is it safe to assume Adam is Claire's father?

No. We already know that Nathan is her father.

Maybe I'm giving way too much credit to the writers, but a normal blood cell has a life span of 90-120 days. I think these blood cells despite their powers, would not have an infinite life span. Rather, the thing that makes Claire and Adam immortal is that they can continue to produce mass amounts of these powerful blood cells.

Ok... that can work for me.

No. We already know that Nathan is her father.

Noah is her adoptive father not her real father.

Nathan is her adoptive father not her real father.

Noah's her adoptive father. Nathan is her biological father.

I think Noop's got his N's mixed up. Why don't we keep on calling him the horn-rimmed-glass man, or simply Mr Bennett instead of Noah? ;)

FM

Because his name is Noah :p.

I don't think there is that much confusion over that.

Noah's her adoptive father. Nathan is her biological father.

he could be one of her ancestors, though...

I enjoyed this episode quite a bit.

I wonder if the two "newish" storylines will be resolved in the next couple weeks:
--Claire seeking revenger for, what she believes is, her father's death.
--The Hiro/Adam joint-revenge story.

I kind of hope they clean up the new character mess in the next few episodes (I believe there are only two more left until the strike is resolved/after the Holidays) by somehow getting rid of the brother and sister and resolving the virus storyline. And then, after it starts back p, work on the Hiro/Adam storyline, the elder heroes/mythology stuff that Matt is working on, and Claire and HRG reuniting.

he could be one of her ancestors, though...

Yeah, Adam could be the great grandfather or something. That's entirely possible.

To continue the nitpicking....

I was a little upset that someone said near the end of the show that "Isaac Mendez can paint the future, and all of his paintings have come true."

Um, didn't he paint NYC blowing up? Didn't happen.

That was Bob... and I think he was trying to rattle Sandra. I don't think he was necessarily inclined to go into the nuances ;).

I'm enjoying everything but the twins, who seem almost forced on us for no good reason. They seem to be shoehorned into the plot for future reference only (ie, moving the virus through people or some such purpose). It's almost like having an action movie where a 10-year old is shown fly fishing with his dad in the opening credits, only to resurface at the end when he is able to somehow hook a rope on a building and leap to safety.

It's like the director says "well, this is really far-fetched, but let's add in a useless plot parallel to close this enormous loose end after the fact."

I did not know that Nathan was her real father I have only started watching Heroes since this season. Sorry.

I did not know that Nathan was her real father I have only started watching Heroes since this season. Sorry.

He wants nothing to do with her. Her mom lives in a trailer park and has the power to make fire. Claire found her last season, but nothing came of it.

I did not know that Nathan was her real father I have only started watching Heroes since this season. Sorry.

oooooh, then if you enjoy this season, do yourself a favor and either buy or rent the first season. You'll love it. :)

FM

Its on my Christmas Wishlist.