http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14209564.htm

Man returns purse with $1M in jewelry
JUSTIN M. NORTON
Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO - John Suhrhoff found a Louis Vuitton bag on a Sausalito park bench.

Inside, police say, were a 12-carat diamond ring, pearl and emerald jewelry, a Cartier watch and roughly $500 in cash. The contents were worth $1 million.

But the respiratory therapist didn't think of heading to a pawn shop - he took the bag to police Monday afternoon.

The bag is now en route to a Toronto family who had been in northern California for a wedding.

"Every person I know or associate with would have done the same thing," Suhrhoff, 56, said Tuesday. "I'm glad to be able to help."

The Canadian family told the Marin Independent Journal they were sightseeing Sunday in Sausalito, a tourist hub known for its waterfront views of San Francisco.

Shahla Ghannadian briefly left her husband in charge of the purse, which contained jewelry she wore at the wedding.

Ghannadian realized the bag was gone when she returned to her San Francisco hotel. The family went to police and didn't have any luck - and were told chances were slim the bag would be returned.

"You have to be a real man to return that bag," Ghannadian's son Ali told the paper. "Even the bag is expensive. We're really, really thankful to that guy."

Sausalito police said Suhrhoff had thought the bag contained costume jewelry.

It was unclear whether the family offered him a reward.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14209564.htmSausalito police said Suhrhoff had thought the bag contained costume jewelry.

Why even add this other than to now discuss on if he had known it contained $1M in jewelry, would he have done the game thing.

It is slightly amusing that Ghannadian does kinda rhyme with Canadian...

I got nuthin...

Why even add this other than to now discuss on if he had known it contained $1M in jewelry, would he have done the game thing.


Interesting point. But who carries that much loot around when they are out and about? The hotel has safe deposit boxes. I could understand taking it with you the plane.

I personally think its a lovely story and shows the world in a much nicer vein than the usual news story you hear about - I've always thought it a shame that bad news 'sells' ... which in turn means you hear more about it than postive storylines ...

Why even add this other than to now discuss on if he had known it contained $1M in jewelry, would he have done the game thing.

Well, it did also have $500 in cash... I'm sure he didn't think that was costume.

Shahla Ghannadian briefly left her husband in charge of the purse, which contained jewelry she wore at the wedding.

Nice one, blame it on the husband :D

Nice one, blame it on the husband :D

Of course...I still find the numbers staggering....$1 million.

Well, it did also have $500 in cash... I'm sure he didn't think that was costume.

Can be a big difference between $500 and $1,000,000. I'm guessing for alot of us, $500 is a few days work.. but, $1M can be years worth.

Not saying that 1M is a justification but, just interesting to see how peoples values could be changed depending on the perceived $ amount.

I really hope they hooked the fella up with a nice reward.

His better than thou attitude and self-righteous moral talking points is growing tired.



<*sneaky bastard I am>

Am I wrong in saying the bag was worth more than $500?

I'd venture to say that your average Respitory Therapist has no clue where a pawn shop even is.

Robin Hood is spinning in his grave.

Robin Hood is spinning in his grave.

:Cue Byran Adams music:

Am I wrong in saying the bag was worth more than $500?

Maybe he thought it was fake, or had no idea what the bag was in terms of it worths or brand?

Why in the world would you carry that much around in your purse?!

His better than thou attitude and self-righteous moral talking points is growing tired.



<*sneaky bastard I am>

Wow, I'm astounded by your incredible wit! You should be on T.V.! :rolleyes:


This doesn't prove your point, Flasch. You really need to get over yourself.

Who the fuck is Byran Adams?

Wow, I'm astounded by your incredible wit! You should be on T.V.! :rolleyes:


This doesn't prove your point, Flasch. You really need to get over yourself.

I just dont understand these people that do good just to be benevolent!! I mean, perhaps it would be better if they just never did better than the expectations...I mean even the police have lowered expectations so why do better than that? Duck, that absolutely does prove my point 100%. I walk my talk, and hold out hope thatothers too will exceed expectations. You should to, instead of degrading those that expound on those hopes and dreams for a better world. I try to lead by example for my nieces, nephews, family, friends, etc. without shoving it down their throats but Ive had the same group of best friends for 20 years now so we, as a group, are definitely doing something right. I foolow their lead and in turn they follow mine, if it rubs off on others AND makes them a better person, so be it....but I will not expect less of others ESPECIALLY their word.....if you give it you better back it up.

Who the fuck is Byran Adams?

He's the artist formerly known as Prince. He changed his name again.

Who the fuck is Byran Adams?



Did he sing "It Cuts Like My Wife?"

Byran Adams went to the Daivd Winter school for challenged adolescents.

I just dont understand these people that do good just to be benevolent!! I mean, perhaps it would be better if they just never did better than the expectations...I mean even the police have lowered expectations so why do better than that? Duck, that absolutely does prove my point 100%.

Explain to me how this makes your point? Because he did one good thing? Wow, you got me there! I'm way over my head here! I should just let you win the argument. :rolleyes:

The truth is that this is only a possible glimmer of what kind of person he might be. Maybe he thought he would get an reward for returning the jewelry because that type of jewelry would be hard to sell unless he knew the "right" person. It's not an absolute that he did this just because he's a good person. As far as we know, he could be having an affair, evading the IRS, or a even a child rapist. I would wager that he is an absolute saint.

I walk my talk, and hold out hope thatothers too will exceed expectations. You should to, instead of degrading those that expound on those hopes and dreams for a better world.

This is exactly what I was referring to. Your holier-than-thou "I'm so much more moral than you" persona only shows how pathetic of a person you are. "I'm great! You should ask me how great I am because I am great!" You're not some important person that people look up to. You're just some guy working as a realtor who got to play the forgettable "underwear guy" in some movie that maybe 2% of the world population got to see. You're no one special, so you need to get over yourself.

I try to lead by example for my nieces, nephews, family, friends, etc. without shoving it down their throats but Ive had the same group of best friends for 20 years now so we, as a group, are definitely doing something right. I foolow their lead and in turn they follow mine, if it rubs off on others AND makes them a better person, so be it....but I will not expect less of others ESPECIALLY their word.....if you give it you better back it up.

For someone who does it "without shoving it down their throats," you sure talk up a good game on here. Someone not giving you enough pats on the back at home? You've had friends for 20 years? Great, I do too, but it doesn't mean that they have never done anything immoral. Come to think of it, what does having friends for 20 years having anything to with being "moral?" Now, it sounds like you are bragging you have such great long standing friends.

Flasch, you are nothing but a cartoon character to me. You're not someone to look up and admire, but someone to ridicule and mock. I wouldn't even let my son come within hearing distance of you because I don't want him to be taught these "lessons" you are teaching. I know I can't be the only one who thinks this way either, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Looks like all the nice people are Canadian

Explain to me how this makes your point? Because he did one good thing? Wow, you got me there! I'm way over my head here! I should just let you win the argument. :rolleyes:

The truth is that this is only a possible glimmer of what kind of person he might be. Maybe he thought he would get an reward for returning the jewelry because that type of jewelry would be hard to sell unless he knew the "right" person. It's not an absolute that he did this just because he's a good person. As far as we know, he could be having an affair, evading the IRS, or a even a child rapist. I would wager that he is an absolute saint.



This is exactly what I was referring to. Your holier-than-thou "I'm so much more moral than you" persona only shows how pathetic of a person you are. "I'm great! You should ask me how great I am because I am great!" You're not some important person that people look up to. You're just some guy working as a realtor who got to play the forgettable "underwear guy" in some movie that maybe 2% of the world population got to see. You're no one special, so you need to get over yourself.



For someone who does it "without shoving it down their throats," you sure talk up a good game on here. Someone not giving you enough pats on the back at home? You've had friends for 20 years? Great, I do too, but it doesn't mean that they have never done anything immoral. Come to think of it, what does having friends for 20 years having anything to with being "moral?" Now, it sounds like you are bragging you have such great long standing friends.

Flasch, you are nothing but a cartoon character to me. You're not someone to look up and admire, but someone to ridicule and mock. I wouldn't even let my son come within hearing distance of you because I don't want him to be taught these "lessons" you are teaching. I know I can't be the only one who thinks this way either, but maybe I'm wrong on that.


fair enough, I still will live my life according to values that are important to me in an effort to be a good person. I will continue to try to hammer out and expose hypocrisy wherever it maybe. I hold honesty and loyalty as a tantamount virtues and surround myself with friends who feel likewise. I am special as is everyone else. I pointedly showed that you are not unique in your low expectations and acceptance of status quo behavior by showing that the police force also had low expectations. The do gooder stated that he did as his entire family wouldve done which leads one to believe or assume that his good deed was not an exception to the rule and any weaknesses in his moral arsenal would be. ridicule and mock away, like you would do to this good deed done by this person, BUT it wont lower my expectations for Americans, their politicians (where your jabbing me started), or humanity. I will continue to walk my talk, and hope you walk your's to....remember im no better than anyone else and have never claimed to be BUT I expect others to walk their own talk.....The KKK example rings true with me, what you see is exactly what you get from me. I would rather meet the KKK guy in robes than the David Duke character, im sure you would to. Perhaps were more alike than you'd think but youre too angry to let your guard down. Thats cool too.

Edited to add: the people who do look up to me are those that choose to, I mentioned Nephews and Nieces who DO normally look up to their younger uncle. I look up to my friends and they do to me, its mutual checks and balances to keep eachother in line.

fair enough, I still will live my life according to values that are important to me in an effort to be a good person. I will continue to try to hammer out and expose hypocrisy wherever it maybe.

Pointing out hypocrisy? How about starting with you first? You are the biggest hypocrite that I know. "I haven't told a lie since I was 12 because I'm such a great guy and great guys never lie." You can't even be honest enough to admit that you have done something immoral in the recent past. That's hypocrisy, junior.

I hold honesty and loyalty as a tantamount virtues and surround myself with friends who feel likewise. I am special as is everyone else.

There is the fundamental difference between us. I don't believe that anyone is "special." We're just people trying to get through our lives. RendeR's signature states my position on how "special" people are perfectly.

I pointedly showed that you are not unique in your low expectations and acceptance of status quo behavior by showing that the police force also had low expectations.

That's because most people live in this thing call "reality." Something you've left behind or just won't admit exists. Go trying living in the inner city for a few months and tell me why people should raise their expectations.

The do gooder stated that he did as his entire family wouldve done which leads one to believe or assume that his good deed was not an exception to the rule and any weaknesses in his moral arsenal would be.

That doesn't mean that they don't do immoral things. Again, you have just a glimmer of evidence to back up your claim, but I have thousands of years of evidence that says otherwise. We know nothing about this "do gooder" or his family. As far as we know, his dad raped him since he was 6 years old, his mom beat him with an extention cord, or even better he has raped numerous children. It could as simple as not paying his parking tickets. Morality is not an absolute.

ridicule and mock away, like you would do to this good deed done by this person, BUT it wont lower my expectations for Americans, their politicians (where your jabbing me started), or humanity. I will continue to walk my talk, and hope you do to....remember im no better than anyone else andhave never claimed to be BUT I expect others to walk their talk.....The KKK example rings true with me, what you see is exactly what you get from me. I would rather meet the KKK guy in robes than the David Duke character, im sure you would to. Perhaps were more alike than you'd think but youre too angry to let your guard down. Thats cool too.

Are you running for fucking President? Speeches don't work with me. I rather have people who are honest with themselves and not go putting up some false front. I know what kind of person I am. You try to put up a good front, but in reality you are no different than any other human being that has or is living on this planet. They lie, cheat, and steal.

Group hug!

i dont lie, cheat, or steal, its actually not hard to do....keep from doing these things. Actually its one of the easiest things there is, the hardest of the 3 is not to lie. Since white lies are so tempting but after a month of being honest and not telling them, you actually just get into the habit of not lying, ever. The couple of times I caught myself exaggerating I try and correct myself immediately.

Thats my point, I dont have a false front. you know everything there is to know about me, i have nothing to hide. why is that hard to believe?

ive admitted before that my standards do lead to frustration and you may say im naiive but I would rather keep the high standards I expect from "friends, family, leaders, politicians, etc." than lower them to say "they all suck so it should just be ok for my congressman or brother to suck." i will never agree with you on that.

i never said i was great. I dont lie, I stopped lying the same day I saw the Matrix for the first time (it was an epiphany), which mightve been when i was like 21 or so, i dont remember....that is a good thing. sometimes causes friction but in the end honesty is the best policy....its the white lies that are the hardest to get rid of. But I did succeed, I know this because I was an expert liar in highschool, and cheated my way through college until I saw the Matrix. YES, I am an expert at both which makes me able to say with confidence that I do not lie, cheat, or steal and havnt since that day (where you got ever from i dont know)

not trying to sound stupid, but everyone is special...i really believe that. I believe that we are ll capable of changing the world...YES some people start at a disadvantage, which I hate, but we are all capable of exceptional things...you too.

Group hug!

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i dont lie, cheat, or steal, its actually not hard to do....keep from doing these things. Actually its one of the easiest things there is, the hardest of the 3 is not to lie. Since white lies are so tempting but after a month of being honest and not telling them, you actually just get into the habit of not lying, ever. The couple of times I caught myself exaggerating I try and correct myself immediately.

Everybody lies. You're lying now. Even the most honest people tell "white" lies. They'll spare someone's feelings or even lie to protect themselves. You're telling me that you wouldn't lie if your girlfriend was putting on a little extra weight? "Yeah, baby, you're starting to get a gut. You may want to go on a diet." Riiiiggggghhhttt.

Thats my point, I dont have a false front. you know everything there is to know about me, i have nothing to hide. why is that hard to believe?

Because people never reveal their real selves. The person we know as "Flasch186" is not same person who works as a realtor. Hell, that person is also a front. There is the "social" Flasch and the "real" Flasch. They're two different "people."

ive admitted before that my standards do lead to frustration and you may say im naiive but I would rather keep the high standards I expect from "friends, family, leaders, politicians, etc." than lower them to say "they all suck so it should just be ok for my congressman or brother to suck." i will never agree with you on that.

You think this is about politics or society? You really are living in a fanasty world. I wouldn't call you naiive. I would call you completely fucking ignorant about any aspect of reality that people experience. You have no concept of that. I'm also not frustrated. I'm annoyed by your presumption that you are so much better than everyone. I hate people like that. My first instinct when I hear someone talk about how great they are is to punch them in the mouth in hopes of cutting off his tongue so no sane person has to listen to that crap.

i never said i was great. I dont lie, I stopped lying the same day I saw the Matrix for the first time (it was an epiphany), which mightve been when i was like 21 or so, i dont remember....that is a good thing. sometimes causes friction but in the end honesty is the best policy....its the white lies that are the hardest to get rid of. But I did succeed, I know this because I was an expert liar in highschool, and cheated my way through college until I saw the Matrix. YES, I am an expert at both which makes me able to say with confidence that I do not lie, cheat, or steal and havnt since that day (where you got ever from i dont know)

Let me get this straight. You "quit" (I use the term quit very loosely) lying because of a movie? Aren't you Jewish? Wasn't your religion enough for you? Of course, people in the Old Testament lied as well, but I guess you looked over that part. I find the whole notion that you quit lying over a movie extremely laughable.

The fact is that you are not only dishonest with us, but also with yourself. You might want to relook over that whole "haven't told a lie since I was 21" thing. :D

not trying to sound stupid, but everyone is special...i really believe that. I believe that we are ll capable of changing the world...YES some people start at a disadvantage, which I hate, but we are all capable of exceptional things...you too.

Yeah, people are capable of changing the world..........to whatever will get their particular group ahead.

Thanks for laughs, Flasch. UIC in your comments are great! :D

ok...

you knwo me better than I know myself? Thats funny.

1. I do not tell white lies either if she is getting fat, and she asks I will tell her....and she knows me well enough to appreciate my total honesty.
2. Flasch186 is Howard Flaschen the realtor and wannabe actor, same person , same behaviors, same relationships, same.
3. Jesus Christ, read my lips, "Im no better than anyone else" I try to be a good person by not being a hypocrite, lying, cheating, or stealing, etc. I DO expect others to behave accordingly and am dissapointed when they dont. I hope I never get numb to that.
4. The Matrix caused an epiphany. Im Jewish becuase of my culture, I am not very much a part of the Religious aspect of Judaism, so religion didnt reallyplay a role in my moral makeup.
4a. Im not being dishonest with anyone or myself.
5. I dont believe that
6. I dont even know what UIC means.

this guy IS Flasch186 and Howard Flaschen/Hatcher Flaschen all the same guy:

http://myspace-902.vo.llnwd.net/00610/20/96/610666902_l.jpg

me and my fiancee Ashley

http://myspace-224.vo.llnwd.net/00610/42/26/610666224_l.jpg

3R, me, GF, SG, BF -- the same friends in real life, work (GF BF SG all work with me) 3R is my roomie, so YOU are wrong, the Flaschen relator is the same as flaschen friend, and the same as Flasch186. Sorry

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my point is that, ALL is the same in my life, unlike what you say.

my work or as you call it Flasch the realtor is different then howard at home, well theyre not!! theyre the same, and Flasch186 is the same so youre wrong...

I walk my talk and I am happy that I am ignorant to the muck that you expect others to behave according to. I hope i will always be divergent from that.

Cool pictures.

Cool pictures.

thanks!!

Wow....This thread went to the shits....

yeah it turned into a tift b/w me and Duckman which carried over from another thread. 100% my fault but IMO he deserved it since the story you told goes against his stated feelings on humanity and good will, IMO. I must say though, Im not sorry for the turn in the thread and I used it to prove my point which he fails to see, undoubtedly, he never will since he doesnt believe anything that comes out of my mouth anyways so Im not sure that debate can be fruitful anyways.

http://myspace-902.vo.llnwd.net/00610/20/96/610666902_l.jpg

I'd ski with that.

Flasch reminds me of someone, but I can't quite figure out who...

You know...I'm interested that you would tell your GF she was getting fat (if she asked). I believe it's best to be honest in all interactions, but sometimes the significant other is looking for reassurance rather than the honest-to-goodness truth. It's a fine line between loyalty and honesty - where do you draw the line?

If I asked my wife, "am I getting fat?" - the last thing I would want to hear is, "Frankly, honey...yes." Maybe I shouldn't be asking the question, but I'm asking you where does that easy give-and-take, loving, "I'll support you know matter what" take place?

Suppose your GF fails miserably somewhere...say, at her job. She asks, did I mess up? "Yes, honey - you screwed up royally." I don't know - I think sometimes you have to support that loved one, if your heart is in the right place.

I personally think duckman is right. Everyone lies to some extent - mostly white lies. If you're honest 24/7 - I almost have to think "why?!" - why are you trying so hard? - sometimes human compassion gets in the way of telling the whole truth and I think rightfully so.

However - why duckman is going full bore into you, I have no idea. Sounds like he has a bug up his butt. To each his own - but I'm not sure why a person who tells the truth and professes to do so makes him so distraught.

You know...I'm interested that you would tell your GF she was getting fat (if she asked). I believe it's best to be honest in all interactions, but sometimes the significant other is looking for reassurance rather than the honest-to-goodness truth. It's a fine line between loyalty and honesty - where do you draw the line?

If I asked my wife, "am I getting fat?" - the last thing I would want to hear is, "Frankly, honey...yes." Maybe I shouldn't be asking the question, but I'm asking you where does that easy give-and-take, loving, "I'll support you know matter what" take place?

good question that I havnt thought about but I guess it has worked out that honesty has played a role in loyalty in that honesty strengthened the bonds? For example, when she asked me a few nigts ago if her stomach was getting bigger, I said, "yes honey, you know we've been talking about starting to exercise. We just need to do it. Im out of shape too."



Suppose your GF fails miserably somewhere...say, at her job. She asks, did I mess up? "Yes, honey - you screwed up royally." I don't know - I think sometimes you have to support that loved one, if your heart is in the right place.

Another good point, my GF and many other co-workers turn to me for help as opposed to going to the GM since going to the GM exposes a weakness to the corporate office, so instead they come to me...which Im fine with although many times I dont know the answer. When they do, send me an email, or ask me what to do, I will tell them if they messed up and what I wouldve done. My GF is prideful at times and it can sometimes cause an argument but IMO telling her she did something wrong is better than not pointing it out only to have her make the same mistake again



I personally think duckman is right. Everyone lies to some extent - mostly white lies. If you're honest 24/7 - I almost have to think "why?!" - why are you trying so hard? - sometimes human compassion gets in the way of telling the whole truth and I think rightfully so.

the best question of all. Why? Because I used to lie ALL of the time, I had such low self esteem in highschool, that I lived in a constant state of painting the best picture I could of what was happening. A simple story to friends, I would find that i exaggerated, glorified, left out key moments that wouldve looked bad, just basically spun all the time. Due to this, I was constantly having a certain percentage of fear of being caught or having multiple lies or exaggerations cross over themselves, the drama was unreal. So and so wanted to beat me up, a friend cut me out of their life. I also had a friend in High School named Melanie Tomlin, who I find out was a total lie for 2 years. Her life as I knew it was a falsehood and while it hurt, alot, it taught me a valuable lesson....that each of our lives has a value that doesnt need to be exaggerated. There doesnt need to be white lies anymore if the truth is the truth. Then when I had the epiphany, "that I wanted to take the "red pill" [it sucks that Duckman would make fun of anything that would cause someone a self-evalutaion, people have it to music, conversation, a movie, etc. mine just happened to be a movie] I viewed that as being honest and changing my ways. From then on, I brought truth into my life, honesty, loyalty, fairness, a willingness to stand up for the downtrodden, a willingness to speak up, a willingness not to compromise, a willingness to be selfish at times, etc. IT has been the greatest thing in my life, I go to sleep without having to worry about a lie i told, I dont have to lie to someone to sell a house, I dont have to worry about my GF finding something out that could hurt our relationship, etc. For me, it is the greatest thing I couldve done to change my life or grow for the better....so to come on here and have some guy who has never met me think that they know me better than me or my friends do, well is self-righteous in its own way. I have come on these boards adn told everything just as I woudl if i met someone in person and that is how I will continue to be. I bring myself, and all my debts and assets, to every hour of my life.

However - why duckman is going full bore into you, I have no idea. Sounds like he has a bug up his butt. To each his own - but I'm not sure why a person who tells the truth and professes to do so makes him so distraught.

me either

One point I think you made, and I think it's a matter of semantics. You can be honest and truthful in everything you do, but you need to add the human component. I like your response when your GF asked if her belly was getting big. It was nice to say it in a way that was non-confrontational. The other example you gave was when people asked you for advice and not the GM. You mentioned you tell them "what you would have done". Be careful here (which I'm sure you are) - sometimes it's all a matter of perspective and you have to put it in a way that (again) is non-confrontational. Something like, "probably the right thing to do is...". Take yourself out of it - you don't want to look like YOU can do no wrong (by saying, "what I would have done is...". It's nice to be honest and truthful in everything you do, but it's also nice to see some grace and humility (not saying you don't have that, I'm just basing it on that one sentence above. Maybe that's what is rubbing duckman the wrong way?

I'm under the gun here on time, so I probably would have phrased this better...

dola

Couple more questions for you -

When you have kids, will you tell them about the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc? If your 4 year old asks if there IS a Santa Claus, will you tell him/her the truth?

I venture to say you will lie to protect your loved ones. Suppose you're having a family get-together and your cousin shows up and asks why your brother isn't at the party. Your brother is currently in rehab and doesn't want anyone outside the immediate family (understandably) to know. Do you lie and cover for him, or tell the truth? This sounds far-fetched, but it's something that occurred in my family.

I still say we all lie...and have to, but the reasons for doing so are not to be dishonest and gain from it.

One point I think you made, and I think it's a matter of semantics. You can be honest and truthful in everything you do, but you need to add the human component. I like your response when your GF asked if her belly was getting big. It was nice to say it in a way that was non-confrontational. The other example you gave was when people asked you for advice and not the GM. You mentioned you tell them "what you would have done". Be careful here (which I'm sure you are) - sometimes it's all a matter of perspective and you have to put it in a way that (again) is non-confrontational. Something like, "probably the right thing to do is...". Take yourself out of it - you don't want to look like YOU can do no wrong (by saying, "what I would have done is...". It's nice to be honest and truthful in everything you do, but it's also nice to see some grace and humility (not saying you don't have that, I'm just basing it on that one sentence above. Maybe that's what is rubbing duckman the wrong way?

I'm under the gun here on time, so I probably would have phrased this better...


the only problem I see, and youre right it might be semantics, is that I really dont know the right thing to do. So when I say what I wouldve done, Im not trying to tell them what Im doing is right, it could actually be equally as wrong as what they did, so it might be a bigger mistake to tell them what they couldve done to be right. Thats the actual rub of the position im in, I happened to learn this computer system the company uses quicklya nd left a lot of the old-schoolers in the dust. So when they come to me its mostly about computer stuff or addendum to contract stuff...I dont really know if the way I do it is "right" per se, but the contract it spits out seems to be right and I havnt gotten yelled at...but Is ee your point.

dola

Couple more questions for you -

When you have kids, will you tell them about the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc? If your 4 year old asks if there IS a Santa Claus, will you tell them the truth?


i havnt thought about that.


I venture to say you will lie to protect your loved ones. Suppose you're having a family get-together and your cousin shows up and asks why your brother isn't at the party. Your brother is currently in rehab and doesn't want the anyone outside the immediate family (understandably) to know. Do you live and cover for him, or tell the truth? This sounds far-fetched, but it's something that occurred in my family.

this is actually where the problems start with my thoughts. I have gotten many a family member or member of the "circle" mad by saying something they think I shouldnt have. I then have to try and say that its nothing to be ashamed of, etc. etc. but youre right in that it has caused friction.


I still say we all lie...and have to, but the reasons for doing so are not to be dishonest and gain from it.

I try not to, right or wrong, i try not to.

Understood. I thought you were saying you never ever lie. I personally think that it's impossible and there are certain situations where you need to.

Oh, and I misunderstood the whole - "here's what I would do" vs. "here's the right way" - my bad.

I think the "need to" part is perhaps a fault of mine since I weigh on the side of telling the truth in situations where most people would tell a lie.

Flasch reminds me of someone, but I can't quite figure out who...

Hal Sparks.

http://www.sho.com/site/queer/season5/images/characters/photo_michael.jpg

6. I dont even know what UIC means.


UIC = UnIntentional Comedy

Meanwhile, I'm once again struck by how oddly similar you & I view a lot of things, considering how oppositely we view so many others.

Almost like bizarro universe counterparts or something.

UIC = UnIntentional Comedy

Meanwhile, I'm once again struck by how oddly similar you & I view a lot of things, considering how oppositely we view so many others.

Almost like bizarro universe counterparts or something.

its crazy, i was thinking the same thing, that you and Duckman sometimes sound the same yet I take him much more acerbic than I take you. I actually think I would get along with you whereas right now, if Duckman and I had a debate equally things might not go well....since I dont think he has much respect for me. Me and you seem to be able todebate keeping a level of respect, i dunno....I agree, bizarro.

http://www.sho.com/site/queer/season5/images/characters/photo_michael.jpg


Nope, I don't think his pics lookk anything like that one.

Sorry to drag the thread off topic ;) but why is the act of giving back the purse an act of overwhelming and rare generosity? IMHO, the most generous act would have been to pawn it and give the proceeds to someone who might be appreciative of it, rather than the type of people who need to wear $1M in jewelry, and either don't value it, or are not concerned by losing it.

To have that much jewelry, their income must be staggering. Either they wouldn't miss it, have it insured, or more likely- both. Whichever, someone with the ability to make enough money to spend that much on jewelry, but too stupid to use a hotel safe, and too careless to realize they lost a million dollars are hardly worth thinking about.

Maybe that makes me a scumbag, but I'd be more likely to return a found $100 bill than a found fortune.

Just wondering what others think, or am I the only person who thinks that someone losing such value doesn't deserve to get it back?

Sorry to drag the thread off topic ;) but why is the act of giving back the purse an act of overwhelming and rare generosity? IMHO, the most generous act would have been to pawn it and give the proceeds to someone who might be appreciative of it, rather than the type of people who need to wear $1M in jewelry, and either don't value it, or are not concerned by losing it.

To have that much jewelry, their income must be staggering. Either they wouldn't miss it, have it insured, or more likely- both. Whichever, someone with the ability to make enough money to spend that much on jewelry, but too stupid to use a hotel safe, and too careless to realize they lost a million dollars are hardly worth thinking about.

Maybe that makes me a scumbag, but I'd be more likely to return a found $100 bill than a found fortune.

Just wondering what others think, or am I the only person who thinks that someone losing such value doesn't deserve to get it back?

Wouldn't that be stealing? I do wonder if they went down after the wedding (not having a chance going back to the hotel).

Wouldn't that be stealing? I do wonder if they went down after the wedding (not having a chance going back to the hotel).

I don't know whether it would be stealing in a legal sense, these things vary from place to place, it might certainly be stealing morally. Society as whole though doesn't tend to fix individual's mistakes, so why should an individual be bound to do so?

I think the easiest thing in the situation is to give it back: feel good about yourself, possibly a bit of publicity, the other options are harder, but IMHO valid. I don't think I could bring myself to keep something like that if I found it, but I would be tempted to donate the proceeds. I don't think I would hold someone who gave it back "decent" and someone who kept it repugnant though, it's a more complex issue than that, and IMHO, returning the bag is not a better choice, doesn't make the person responsible good/honest or deserve any other plaititudes except possibly lacking imagination.