Anyone catch her speech on the immigration issue. She spends some time talking about the proposal to make it a crime to knowingly aid illegal immigrants(i dont see how its different from knowingly aiding a criminal, since their ILLEGAL aliens, but i digress). She said it was a horrible idea to penalize people for being good samaritans...i dont agree with her view, but ill respect her right to say it.

Thats where she makes quite possibly the worst point ive heared in this whole issue. She says something extremly close to(dont have the exact wording in front of me) "Under this new legislation, jesus would be a criminal." WHAT?? I'm not bashing her because im a repub, if bush said the same he would have been crucified by the media(like the pun?). I think hilary is overrated, but if any person had made this comment i would post this. Im just stunned that she made such a comment(insert any religious/historical figure, not just christian)...

So in sumnation, i wanted to laugh about how amazingly idiotic that sounded, and then segue into a political discussion. :)

Is Hilary the most qualified democrat, and regardless, will she get the nod? Im a repub, and really dont follow the democrats too much(I really like obama though, whenever he comes around it will take quite a bit for me to vote against him). Are their many senators who can challenge her?

As for the repubs, it sounds like its starting to shape up as Mccain vs Frist(just what ive heared). Do either have a shot?

I think the thinking is that Jesus was all for helping those in need, so if you make it a crime to help someone in need it would have made Jesus a criminal. It's backed up by Bishops telling their priests to refuse to follow the law.

I think the thinking is that Jesus was all for helping those in need, so if you make it a crime to help someone in need it would have made Jesus a criminal. It's backed up by Bishops telling their priests to refuse to follow the law.
I know what her reasoning was, i just thought it was so idiotic sounding. I think there were less extreme examples that would help her get her point across

People just hate on Hillary no matter what she says...people need to grow the fuck up and be Americans rather than McCarthyist morons.

Is Hilary the most qualified democrat, and regardless, will she get the nod? Im a repub, and really dont follow the democrats too much(I really like obama though, whenever he comes around it will take quite a bit for me to vote against him). Are their many senators who can challenge her?

As for the repubs, it sounds like its starting to shape up as Mccain vs Frist(just what ive heared). Do either have a shot?

Didn't we just have like two or three threads on these very topics?

Jesus was a criminal in his own time... so, maybe she was just being historically accurate.

Didn't we just have like two or three threads on these very topics?
Quite possibly, but i tend to avoid POL threads...usually ends in a fight. Hence why i tried to make my post as non-threatening as possible.

People just hate on Hillary no matter what she says...people need to grow the fuck up and be Americans rather than McCarthyist morons.

Wait... so, if I hate Hillary Clinton, that means that I have an acute case of Communist paranoia?

:confused:

People just hate on Hillary no matter what she says...people need to grow the fuck up and be Americans rather than McCarthyist morons.
Isnt she everyones favorite for the 08 office? Maybe its he said she said, but i think she gets praised most of the time and others get most of the "hate"...am i missing all of the nations anti-hilary sentiment somewhere in all the people proclaiming her the next president?

Wait... so, if I hate Hillary Clinton, that means that I have an acute case of Communist paranoia?

:confused:


Well, there are a lot of people who say "liberal=communist"

if bush said the same he would have been crucified by the media

LOLOL

I.....just.......wanted.......to.......do........this

Well, there are a lot of people who say "liberal=communist"
And hilary is a liberal...so why would these so called communists hate on their own canidate? You lost me radio

Quite possibly, but i tend to avoid POL threads...usually ends in a fight. Hence why i tried to make my post as non-threatening as possible.

Here you go:

Discussion on possible Democratic Nominees 2008

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=47984&highlight=Nominee

Discussion on possible Republican Nominees 2008

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=47985&highlight=republican

Enjoy.

Jesus was a criminal in his own time... so, maybe she was just being historically accurate.

What is your foundation for this statement? I'm not bashing you; I'm just curious. I know of no Christian denomination that does not take the position that Jesus was without sin. What laws are you saying that Jesus broke? The only argument I can think of would be that since he claimed that he was the Son of God, and therefore was one with God, that he blasphemed, and therefore was guilty of breaking jewish law. Is that what you are referring to, or did you have more in mind?

What is your foundation for this statement? I'm not bashing you; I'm just curious. I know of no Christian denomination that does not take the position that Jesus was without sin. What laws are you saying that Jesus broke? The only argument I can think of would be that since he claimed that he was the Son of God, and therefore was one with God, that he blasphemed, and therefore was guilty of breaking jewish law. Is that what you are referring to, or did you have more in mind?
I'm not an expert on the Bible, but I believe he was crucified for breaking Roman law. Just because he broke a human law doesn't make him sinful.

What is your foundation for this statement? I'm not bashing you; I'm just curious. I know of no Christian denomination that does not take the position that Jesus was without sin. What laws are you saying that Jesus broke? The only argument I can think of would be that since he claimed that he was the Son of God, and therefore was one with God, that he blasphemed, and therefore was guilty of breaking jewish law. Is that what you are referring to, or did you have more in mind?

He was executed as a criminal.

F her and the woman she rode in on.

I preach caution. This thread has a volatility rating of 99.

I'm just glad this isn't a thread designed specifically to get people stirred up about political matters.

Hillary Clinton is a carpetbanging...er carpetbagging wench.

If she is the best the Dems can do, they won't win the White House in 08 either.

I preach caution. This thread has a volatility rating of 99.

Tell me about it. Jesus, Hillary Clinton, Communists... This thread's got almost all of the combustable elements! All we need is some racial discussion to spring up and we're golden.

Tell me about it. Jesus, Hillary Clinton, Communists... This thread's got almost all of the combustable elements! All we need is some racial discussion to spring up and we're golden.

Well, didn't Hillary recent mention something about the "plantation" in one of her recent speeches?

I'm just glad this isn't a thread designed specifically to get people stirred up about political matters.

Come on... Didn't you read? Blade6119 deliberately went out of his way to make sure this started as "non-threatening as possible."

Well, didn't Hillary recent mention something about the "plantation" in one of her recent speeches?

And there we have it! We've gone from blow to suck!

Tell me about it. Jesus, Hillary Clinton, Communists... This thread's got almost all of the combustable elements! All we need is some racial discussion to spring up and we're golden.
Or what if I called you a puck-mucking slut? Would that be a minor or a major?

I'm not an expert on the Bible, but I believe he was crucified for breaking Roman law. Just because he broke a human law doesn't make him sinful.

we have a winner...

Quite possibly, but i tend to avoid POL threads...usually ends in a fight. Hence why i tried to make my post as non-threatening as possible.

I must say, even I find this statement to be pretty damned amusing.

... The only argument I can think of would be that since he claimed that he was the Son of God, and therefore was one with God, that he blasphemed, and therefore was guilty of breaking jewish law. Is that what you are referring to, or did you have more in mind?

That's precisely what I was referring to. Jesus was without sin, but His message was revolutionary, and contrary to the interests of the hebrew establishment at the time. He was tried and found guilty under the system of law that he lived in, even though he was without any real fault.

Well, didn't Hillary recent mention something about the "plantation" in one of her recent speeches?

Michael Steele is an anti-Semite.

Thats where she makes quite possibly the worst point ive heared in this whole issue.

You obviously missed Bubba's thread.

Or what if I called you a puck-mucking slut? Would that be a minor or a major?

That'd be two minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct and a ten minute misconduct penalty. And what if I called you a son of a motherless Uruk-hai?

He was executed as a criminal.


Of a crime he was innocent of. It was sort of important to the story.

Of a crime he was innocent of. It was sort of important to the story.I got bored and stopped reading after they rolled the stone over the tomb. Did anything important happen after that?;)

Jesus was without sin, but His message was revolutionary, and contrary to the interests of the hebrew establishment at the time. He was tried and found guilty under the system of law that he lived in, even though he was without any real fault.

Similar to you and the Ruling Elite of FOFC, eh?

Of a crime he was innocent of. It was sort of important to the story.

I think He pled the equivalent of "no contest" from what I remember...

:D

Tell me about it. Jesus, Hillary Clinton, Communists... This thread's got almost all of the combustable elements! All we need is some racial discussion to spring up and we're golden.

Not even close... we're still missing George W. Bush, abortion, Barry Bonds, the designated hitter rule, Dean Houston, and Maximum Football.

I'm not an expert on the Bible, but I believe he was crucified for breaking Roman law. Just because he broke a human law doesn't make him sinful.


No. According to the Bible, He was executed for breaking Jewish law (a law He did not break). The Sanhedrin was not allowed to put to death, so they needed the Roman governor to allow the execution. Pilate said he found no fault in Jesus, but allowed His execution.

And what if I called you a son of a motherless Uruk-hai?
2:00 minor for orcing

I think He pled the equivalent of "no contest" from what I remember...

:D


Pretty good. :)

F her and the woman she rode in on.
Hillary Clinton is a carpetbanging...er carpetbagging wench.
Thank the lord that Jesse was banned so he can't come in this thread and cheapen the dialogue with his fancy AP articles.

2:00 minor for orcing

Awww, man... Tell me you didn't write that! :D

That's precisely what I was referring to. Jesus was without sin, but His message was revolutionary, and contrary to the interests of the hebrew establishment at the time. He was tried and found guilty under the system of law that he lived in, even though he was without any real fault.

When it comes down to it, it doesn't seem that Hillary's point was so much "wrong" as it was maybe just too liberal of a use of hyperbole.

Thank the lord that Jesse was banned so he can't come in this thread and cheapen the dialogue with his fancy AP articles.

boo-hoo-hoo. :)

Quite possibly, but i tend to avoid POL threads...usually ends in a fight. Hence why i tried to make my post as non-threatening as possible.

You suck at writing, then. Let's try again:


OT (Politics): Another voice heard on Immigration Issue

Did anyone catch Hilary Clinton's speech on the immigration issue? She spent a fair bit of time talking about the part of the proposal to make it a crime to knowingly aid illegal immigrants. (As an aside, I don't understand what's different from knowingly aiding a criminal, and knowingly aiding an illegal alien, who is a criminal by definition, but I digress). Clinton was essentially saying that it was a bad idea to penalize people for being good samaritans. This is not a view I'd agree with, but she's welcome to her opinion.

After this, though, she said something that seemed very out of place in the overall context of this discussion. Paraphrasing, it was something like: "Under this new legislation, Jesus would be a criminal." I must admit, I don't understand this. I don't see the connection she's making and I think she's opening herself up to ridicule, as would any politician who said the same, and I extend that to George Bush, of whom I am a supporter.

I don't know, it just seems to be a very off-the-wall and politically reckless comment to me.

Related to this, though, I have to ask, is Hilary the most qualified potential Democratic nominee for 2008? Will she get the nomination? As I said, I'm a Republican so I don't really follow the Democrats (though I do like Obama and think I would vote for him in the future). Are there any other people who would offer a challenge to her nomination?

As for Republicans, I'd say it looks like McCain vs. Frist. Any other thoughts? Or have things not changed since flere posted those two threads about two weeks ago?

Isn't it Hillary, not Hilary? Hilary sounds a lot like hilarity.

Spelling is optional in Maximum Politiball

Isn't it Hillary, not Hilary? Hilary sounds a lot like hilarity.


No, Hilary Duff only has one L in her first name. I still think her sister Haylie is hotter.

No, Hilary Duff only has one L in her first name. I still think her sister Haylie is hotter.
Hilary Duff is too young for me to judge properly.

I just looked. Haylie has a huge nose.

David Ortiz deserved to win the AL MVP over Alex Rodriguez.

Discuss.

Hilary Duff is too young for me to judge properly.

I just looked. Haylie has a huge nose.

So I guess you voted for Pedro, then.

flere-imsaho is an anti-dentite.

Similar to you and the Ruling Elite of FOFC, eh?

Actually FN is part of the Ruling Elite of FOFB. Or FOFD, I forget. FOFA?