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MrBug708
12-07-2005, 04:14 AM
As a nation of immigrants, the United States is in no position to vilify players or fans with divided loyalties. As a soccer nation on the upswing, it should not need to plead for them, either.

Guiseppe Rossi (left) has shined in limited playing time for Manchester United.When U.S. soccer fans think of Americans on the roster of the fabled club Manchester United, goalkeeper Tim Howard and defender Jonathan Spector probably come to mind. Flying under the radar of most is 18-year-old Giuseppe Rossi, a striker born in New Jersey, whose parents are from Italy.

Rossi was brought up in the soccer hotbed of Clifton, N.J., where his father coached soccer. Rossi played alongside youth national team and Columbus Crew star Danny Szetela. Like many immigrants of the community, the Rossi family used soccer as an important connection to their home country.

One reason many soccer fans cheer for countries outside of the U.S. is because it's hard to find the passion and love for the game in a country where soccer ranks mostly as a recreational activity for children. True fandom for many is reserved for American football, baseball, or even NASCAR.

Rossi's skills afforded him the opportunity to leave the U.S. when he was only 13. He was given the chance to develop his soccer skills on the youth team of Parma. The family uprooted from the U.S. and moved to Italy to assist Rossi in pursuing his dream.

Soon he joined the Azzurri youth national teams as well. Yet youth national team games do not cap-tie a player to one country until the U-20 level, so Rossi remained eligible to play for both countries -- Italy and the U.S.

His dual citizenship didn't mean his loyalty was equally divided. Perhaps influenced by his father, Rossi expressed more than once his dream to play for the senior squad of Italy.

However, cash-strapped Parma sold its young star to Manchester United. Traditionally, only players who are performing in the Italian leagues earn their way to the national team. Though Rossi scored goals for the Red Devils in reserve games in England, he was no longer brought in for the Azzurri camps.

His birth country hadn't given up on him, though. When coach Sigi Schmid was readying his U-20 squad for the world championships in Holland, he contacted Rossi with an invite to join the team. Rossi declined. Though the Americans beat eventual tournament winner Argentina in group play, they bowed out in the quarterfinals to the Italian squad.

It might have seemed then that Rossi made a wise decision to not commit his eligibility to the U.S. On the other hand, Italy hadn't called him in for the tourney, which often showcases young talent and the ability to perform well under pressure. It couldn't bode well for Rossi's national team hopes -- at least with Italy.

Given more of a chance with Manchester United, Rossi continued to impress. He scored in his debut with the team in a match versus Sunderland. Though small, the naturally left-footed striker displays impressive creativity and control of the ball, especially where it matters most: near the goal. He can play either as a withdrawn forward or an attacking midfielder.

The odds may be against Rossi to change the customs of Italy's team selection. Yet his play with the Reds, which garnered effusive praise from teammates Wayne Rooney and Ruud Van Nistelrooy, could provide the incentive for Italian team administrators to be more global-minded in their selection approach.

In a recent interview with the Italian sports magazine Guerin Sportivo, Rossi mentioned that if the U.S. team offered him a spot on its 2006 World Cup squad in Germany, he would have to seriously think about it. It might have been a statement designed to put pressure on Italy to invite him in. It might have also upped the ante for any who wonder what it might take for Rossi to play for his birth country.

The World Cup, the ultimate goal for so many soccer players, could be enough temptation to perhaps sway Rossi from pulling on a blue shirt, and instead giving one with red and white in addition a try.

There's no problem with players passing over their first choice to then play for the U.S. Thomas Dooley, who captained the U.S. for a brief while in 1998 and 1999, once dreamed of finding national team glory with Germany. He didn't even speak English well when he joined the Stars and Stripes, but he served the colors honorably.

Rossi may contrast against Dooley in that he was born in the U.S., yet apparently never wished to represent the U.S. at the national level. That's a small detail, and one that shouldn't be held against him, even by the most fervent U.S. soccer fans. If Rossi's pursuit of happiness centers on playing for the country of his heritage, that's his particular dream.

It might become a question of whether Rossi wants to support Italy from his couch, though. The circumstances right now are such that the U.S. squad has a need for strikers of his type. Italy has considered Rossi superfluous, at least lately, to even its youth teams.

U.S. coach Bruce Arena, who put together a recent list of players for a friendly against Scotland, contacted Manchester United to secure Rossi's availability for the game. Under FIFA regulations, national teams must contact the clubs in advance to indicate the players that eventually may be called in.

"There were 38 players that had release requests sent to their clubs," confirmed national team press officer Michael Kammarman. "Rossi was one of them. Twenty players were called [to play against Scotland], which means 18 were not."

Quite a few of the players on the first list who were eventually not called in, such as Landon Donovan, were actually occupied with the domestic championship of Major League Soccer. Others, such as Pablo Mastroeni, might have been granted time to rest after a long season because Arena was already familiar with what they offer the team.

What U.S. Soccer would not confirm was if Rossi or his club declined the invite, or whether Arena himself decided another striker deserved a look. Sir Alex Ferguson has never been easy to wrest players away from, even for a friendly that might give young talent a chance to show quality in the small window that remains before the World Cup. Rossi himself might have decided to pass, though playing for the United States in a friendly would not cap-tie him.

What is clear is that Arena has the young talent on his radar, perhaps in a much more viable way than Italy does.

Young Rossi has never denigrated the U.S. directly, but his references to the glory of Italian soccer, the passion and tradition of the game, seem to indicate that the U.S. suffers by comparison in those areas. Nicknamed "America" by his Parma teammates, Rossi probably knows well that soccer in the U.S. does not hold the exalted position that it does in Italy.

Yet the "land of opportunity" might offer Rossi his best chance. The United States could be the newest star on the world stage -- well, as much as one can be considered a newcomer after playing in the first World Cup in 1930. If Rossi, his father, or perhaps both, objectively consider the option of a solid American team with strong, athletic defenders and a midfield maestro such as Donovan sending passes forward, it might be seen as an ideal fit.

Arena should not, however, undermine all the players striving for a national team position in the World Cup by guaranteeing one to Rossi in exchange for playing for the U.S. Yet if Rossi is granted and accepts an invitation to the U.S. training camps or friendlies in the USMNT run-up to Germany, he could prove that he belongs there.

U.S. fans who might wail and gnash their teeth in frustration about Rossi would do well to channel that energy to supporting the players that have already committed heart, body and soul to the national team. The recent performances of the team have led to a steady climb in the world rankings, a few spots above Italy. Yet many consider the U.S. undeserving of its rank, though not because of the on-field results. It simply galls some to see a country ranked in the top 10 that places such a low priority on soccer.

Perhaps the time has come for that perception to be proven as outdated as the idea that the United States cannot play the game. It might open a few eyes, and a young American who grew up dreaming of playing for his father's homeland might reconsider.

Emiliano
12-07-2005, 07:46 AM
Very interesting read. That shows you how ignorant and close-minded we (Italians) are in sports. Since he plays in the UK (with Manchester UTD, not exactly the last team in the world!!!) they don't call him in national teams, neither in the U-21 squad!!! WTF is that??? BTW, I've never heard of this guy in Italian media. I read about him in FOFC...

I really hope the kid go play for the US, and the US win the 2006 World Cup. ;)

Simms
12-07-2005, 09:04 AM
Interesting story...thanks for sharing.

We had/have a similar situation here with Owen Hargreaves...Calgary born and bred, but his father was English. He's probably *the* best soccer player to come out of Canada in I don't know how long (ever?), but the Canadian FA screwed him over at a development camp 5 years ago or something, and now he refuses to play internationally for us. Of course, given the choice between caps for England and caps for Canada, I'm not sure he wouldn't have stuck with the former anyway, as we're not exactly a World Cup threat. :)

Desnudo
12-07-2005, 09:31 AM
I think his arrogance/condescension shows a little bit in that article. I think the US has moved past the point where they need Man U reserve squad strikers to fill squad spots. Maybe it was just his honest view on a "what if" scenario, but I find it silly that he would even think that he would get a call up to the WC squad when he hasn't even played in a friendly. Unless he suddenly ends up starting for Man U, I don't see any reason why he would get a sniff.

Marc Vaughan
12-07-2005, 10:00 AM
I think his arrogance/condescension shows a little bit in that article. I think the US has moved past the point where they need Man U reserve squad strikers to fill squad spots. Maybe it was just his honest view on a "what if" scenario, but I find it silly that he would even think that he would get a call up to the WC squad when he hasn't even played in a friendly. Unless he suddenly ends up starting for Man U, I don't see any reason why he would get a sniff.

Don't underestimate him - I personally don't think he's being arrogant, just that his preference would be to play for Italy (probably for family reasons I'd expect) which imho would be fair enough, everyone has a preference in such things should they be in a position sports-wise (I for instance in the unlikely event it happened would have to choose between Ireland and England).

The player is very very talented, but has been both 'protected' from pressure at Man Utd and also limited somewhat in his options to get into the team by the fact that they have players who are near the best in the world as other options compared to him.

IMHO most of the smaller Premiership teams would have him if not as a starting regular at least as a regular bench warmer, and the only reason he might not be starting in that scenario is because of his lack of experience.

JonInMiddleGA
12-07-2005, 10:20 AM
... just that his preference would be to play for Italy (probably for family reasons I'd expect) which imho would be fair enough,

Which is fine by me, he's welcome to that choice.

But if that's his preference (which at least seems to be the case from the various articles I've read), then I certainly hope the U.S. makes sure that's his only option.

Basically, if they (the U.S.) put him on the pitch at some point after being his second choice, I'd have a really really tough time not pulling hard against him.
And I mean seriously against him.

Clearly, he feels he's more Italian than American. Again, that's his thing to decide not mine, but damned if I'd ever want to see him wearing Red, White, and Blue either.

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 10:34 AM
While i heartily agree with what you say about rooting against him, from a logistics stand point ive heared people say he would be a wonderulf replacement in due time for reyna in the middle...we need players with creativity in the middle, and with LD looking more and more like an AM, we could use him at MC in the future...I dont think you rule him out for being a second choice, as you have to remember the italian team holds far more prestige and doing well there compared to the US squad would hold more weight with Man U coaches.

How do you feel about Peter Philipiakos then, since its in reverse? He has been invited multiple times into the greek national camp but has turned them down every time in hopes of one day playing for the US. What is your stance on that?

Huckleberry
12-07-2005, 10:37 AM
While i heartily agree with what you say about rooting against him, from a logistics stand point ive heared people say he would be a wonderulf replacement in due time for reyna in the middle...we need players with creativity in the middle, and with LD looking more and more like an AM, we could use him at MC in the future...I dont think you rule him out for being a second choice, as you have to remember the italian team holds far more prestige and doing well there compared to the US squad would hold more weight with Man U coaches.

How do you feel about Peter Philipiakos then, since its in reverse? He has been invited multiple times into the greek national camp but has turned them down every time in hopes of one day playing for the US. What is your stance on that?
Based on what I take his reasoning to be, JIMG would happily cheer for him on the USA squad but would expect, and would not begrudge, Greek fans to pull against him if he ever "settled" for the Greek squad.

I guess what I'm surprised about is that JIMG doesn't pull for Italy what with their totalitarian history and all. :D

Desnudo
12-07-2005, 10:47 AM
Don't underestimate him - I personally don't think he's being arrogant, just that his preference would be to play for Italy (probably for family reasons I'd expect) which imho would be fair enough, everyone has a preference in such things should they be in a position sports-wise (I for instance in the unlikely event it happened would have to choose between Ireland and England).

The player is very very talented, but has been both 'protected' from pressure at Man Utd and also limited somewhat in his options to get into the team by the fact that they have players who are near the best in the world as other options compared to him.

IMHO most of the smaller Premiership teams would have him if not as a starting regular at least as a regular bench warmer, and the only reason he might not be starting in that scenario is because of his lack of experience.

Which is fine, I understand the desire. I just found it a little arrogant to consider the possibility of being called up to the USA for WC 06. Whether protected or not, he hasn't shown the ability to play first team football yet.

JonInMiddleGA
12-07-2005, 01:24 PM
Based on what I take his reasoning to be, JIMG would happily cheer for him on the USA squad but would expect, and would not begrudge, Greek fans to pull against him if he ever "settled" for the Greek squad.


Sounds about right.

I guess what I'm surprised about is that JIMG doesn't pull for Italy what with their totalitarian history and all. :D

;)

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 01:31 PM
One thing to note with Rossi -- he's provisionally cap-tied to Italy, having appeared for their U-17 team in UEFA competition. Up until his 21st birthday in Feb. 2008, he can make a permanent switch to the U.S. (the other team he was eligible to play for at the time).

How do you feel about Peter Philipiakos then, since its in reverse? He has been invited multiple times into the greek national camp but has turned them down every time in hopes of one day playing for the US. What is your stance on that? Philipakos grew up here, though, or at least that's my understanding.

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 01:34 PM
Dola, to the best of my knowledge we've never had a "Rossi in reverse"; all of our naturalized players who did not grow up here were not in the picture for their national squad at the time they joined the U.S. team.

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Dola, to the best of my knowledge we've never had a "Rossi in reverse"; all of our naturalized players who did not grow up here were not in the picture for their national squad at the time they joined the U.S. team.

What about Freddy Adu? He immigrated here from Ghana i think, or one of the african nations. I can all but gurantee you ghana would take him any day of the week.

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Adu's family moved here for non-sporting reasons, though. Rossi went to Italy later and AFAIK it was for sporting reasons (to try to catch on with an Italian pro team).

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 03:29 PM
Adu's family moved here for non-sporting reasons, though. Rossi went to Italy later and AFAIK it was for sporting reasons (to try to catch on with an Italian pro team).

It still classifies under the same nationality rules, doesnt it? And now that i think about it if im not mistaken the starting keeper for the U-20, Quientin Westburg or something, was born and raised in france but has american parents and he plays for the US. Not national team yet, but he has started for U-20s for like 2 years now. Danny Fielhaber might also be a german national and he played in the scotland friendly, though dont quote me on that last one

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Well, there are quite a number of people who chose the U.S. over another country they were eligible for; some grew up here, some didn't. None of them is really analogous to Rossi, as far as I know:

Rossi is an American -- born and raised here, moved at 12 to Italy for sporting reasons.
Rossi has attracted interest from the U.S., but indicated a clear preference to play for Italy.

I've already explained why I think Adu is different. Benny Feilhaber doesn't really merit discussion, he's 20 and only just went to Germany to play professionally (and last I knew, his possibility of getting another passport was a matter of some dispute anyway). I don't really know about Westburg's background, maybe he would qualify.

MrBug708
12-07-2005, 03:38 PM
One thing to note with Rossi -- he's provisionally cap-tied to Italy, having appeared for their U-17 team in UEFA competition. Up until his 21st birthday in Feb. 2008, he can make a permanent switch to the U.S. (the other team he was eligible to play for at the time).


Yet youth national team games do not cap-tie a player to one country until the U-20 level, so Rossi remained eligible to play for both countries -- Italy and the U.S.

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 03:47 PM
Just checked, Westberg was born and raised in Suresnes, France...he still plies his trade in france today, but starts in goal for the U-20 team.

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 03:50 PM
Benny Feilhaber doesn't really merit discussion, he's 20 and only just went to Germany to play professionally (and last I knew, his possibility of getting another passport was a matter of some dispute anyway).
BENNY FEILHABER
Team Hamburg SV (Am) (Germany)
League Regionalliga Nord
Position Midfielder
Number 33
Height 5' 9"
Weight 150 lbs.
Age 20
Born January 19, 1985
Birthplace Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Blade6119
12-07-2005, 03:56 PM
These are are players i found in a listing of the National Team Pool that fit this category. I know for certain their are others buts these are only the ones who ply their trades outside the US.

RYAN CAUGHERTY
Team B1913 (Denmark)
League 2. Division
Position Defender/Midfielder
Number N/A
Height 6' 0"
Weight 175 lbs.
Age 23
Born September 23, 1982
Birthplace Seoul, South Korea

PABLO MASTROENI
Team Colorado Rapids (USA)
League Major League Soccer
Position Defender/Midfielder
Number 25
Height 5' 9"
Weight 150 lbs.
Age 29
Born August 29, 1976
Birthplace Mendoza, Argentina

YURI MORALES
Team Ølstykke FC (Denmark)
League 1. Division
Position Forward
Number 13
Height 5' 11"
Weight 170 lbs.
Age 24
Born September 30, 1981
Birthplace San Juan, Puerto Rico

ROBBIE RUSSELL
Team Rosenborg (Norway)
League Tippeligaen
Position Defender/Midfielder
Number 8
Height 6' 0"
Weight 180 lbs.
Age 26
Born July 16, 1979
Birthplace Accra, Ghana

QUENTIN WESTBERG
Team Troyes (France)
League Ligue 1
Position Goalkeeper
Number 30
Height 6' 1"
Weight 183 lbs.
Age 19
Born April 25, 1986
Birthplace Suresnes, France

DAVID YELLDELL
Team Stuttgart Kickers (Germany)
League Regionalliga Süd
Position Goalkeeper
Number 1
Height 6' 4"
Weight 210 lbs.
Age 24
Born October 1, 1981
Birthplace Stuttgart, Germany

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 04:22 PM
Yet youth national team games do not cap-tie a player to one country until the U-20 level, so Rossi remained eligible to play for both countries -- Italy and the U.S. That's not exactly how it works. The actual regulation states that:

If a player plays for an age group team in an official competition, he is registered to that country, BUT -- if he was also eligible to play for another country at the time, until his 21st birthday he may ONCE request a change of registration to the other country.

So Rossi is provisionally cap-tied to Italy -- if he never does anything else, that tie will become permanent at his 21st birthday, and he can only switch to play for the U.S. (the other team he was eligible for at the time of his cap for the Italy U17's) -- and such a switch would also permanently cap-tie him to the U.S., he would not be able to change back later.

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 04:23 PM
BENNY FEILHABER
Team Hamburg SV (Am) (Germany)
League Regionalliga Nord
Position Midfielder
Number 33
Height 5' 9"
Weight 150 lbs.
Age 20
Born January 19, 1985
Birthplace Rio de Janeiro, BrazilBorn in Rio, but raised in the U.S. from a young age. As you might expect, he's not really on Brazil's radar. :p

Mr. Wednesday
12-07-2005, 04:24 PM
PABLO MASTROENI
Team Colorado Rapids (USA)
League Major League Soccer
Position Defender/Midfielder
Number 25
Height 5' 9"
Weight 150 lbs.
Age 29
Born August 29, 1976
Birthplace Mendoza, ArgentinaRaised in the U.S. from a young age (5, I think), and obviously not on Argentina's radar at the time he was cap-tied to the U.S. (in either the '02 Gold Cup or the '02 World Cup itself).