View Full Version : Do you want the Colts to go undefeated?
Kodos
12-05-2005, 02:10 PM
Being a Dolphins fan, I suppose I should want the Colts to lose in order to keep sole bragging rights for the Dolphins. However, I am too young to remember to the perfect season, and if eventually some team has to match their feat, there are far worse options out there than the Colts. Last year, I didn't mind Manning breaking Marino's single season TD record. Go Colts!
vtbub
12-05-2005, 02:12 PM
It would be an incedible feat, certainly whoever did it would earn it.
rkmsuf
12-05-2005, 02:13 PM
Yes, I can't stand the pop the cork stuff.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 02:14 PM
Yes. Then it will stop that Calvin Murphy-style crap the '72 Dolphins go through if the Colts lose. I don't have a problem with the Colts or Manning, and if the Broncos aren't going to win it all, I hope they win because I think Manning gets too much negative shit as it is. And it will give Bill Simmons one less thing to write about.
vtbub
12-05-2005, 02:14 PM
I'm curious about this: If the Colts go undefeated in the regular season, and lose at some point in the post-season, how will that be considered?
I ask because the media keeps talking about 4 more games to go ... but I think the Colts have to run the table through the Super Bowl.
Correct.
st.cronin
12-05-2005, 02:14 PM
I'm curious about this: If the Colts go undefeated in the regular season, and lose at some point in the post-season, how will that be considered?
I ask because the media keeps talking about 4 more games to go ... but I think the Colts have to run the table through the Super Bowl.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 02:16 PM
Certainly, by winning all 16 and then losing in the playoffs, the Colts (and Manning in particular) will take major heat. I mean, Manning's already considered (rightly or wrongly) someone who can't win "under pressure," so this would just be considered the ultimate statement of what a meaningless stats guy he is. So it's a double-edged sword. And maybe this is why Dungy probably wants them to lose before they get into the playoffs. Maybe it helps ease the pressure just a bit.
All I know is, I'll be pissed if they lose to the Chargers.
Samdari
12-05-2005, 02:16 PM
I'm curious about this: If the Colts go undefeated in the regular season, and lose at some point in the post-season, how will that be considered?
I ask because the media keeps talking about 4 more games to go ... but I think the Colts have to run the table through the Super Bowl.
I agree. Wasn't there another team that went undefeated in the regular season, but did not seal the deal?
Yes, I can't stand the pop the cork stuff.
The Colts going undefeated would not end that, it would merely replace the 72 Dolphins with the 05 Colts as the group doing the popping.
MizzouRah
12-05-2005, 02:18 PM
Heck ya... would be neat to see.
dubb93
12-05-2005, 02:25 PM
I can only hope they do. If everything comes out right I'll there for the Arizona game, the 2 playoff home games and get drawn out of the season ticket holder lottery for super bowl tickets....okay, that last 1 is probably a dream but I'd atleast make an attempt to get super bowl tickets somehow and think about the cost later.
rkmsuf
12-05-2005, 02:29 PM
I agree. Wasn't there another team that went undefeated in the regular season, but did not seal the deal?
The Colts going undefeated would not end that, it would merely replace the 72 Dolphins with the 05 Colts as the group doing the popping.
Not for quite a while though.
G-Man
12-05-2005, 02:31 PM
I hope that they are 14-0 and the Seahawks beat them something like 28-10!! Yeah I know it may be a "pipe-dream", but hey it could happen!! :eek:
Butter
12-05-2005, 02:37 PM
Sure, let the Colts win it all this year, get it out of their system, and get them back to some semblance of beatability next year. Because they are unbelievable right now. They haven't even been in a close game late in the game since Week 3.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 02:37 PM
The Colts going undefeated would not end that, it would merely replace the 72 Dolphins with the 05 Colts as the group doing the popping.
Why would they do that? The only reason it goes on now is because they're the only ones to do it. If it happens again, they lose the exclusivity. And the Colts have no reason to start the practice, either. The Dolphins, OTOH, make a living as members of the group. I'm sorry but the only reason I know who Nick Buoniconti is, is because he's (a) a 72 Dolphin, and (b) his son was paralyzed in a football game. That's the extent of his name recognition. And most of the other guys on that team only have (a) to fall back on, yet they are known everywhere. They have a lot to lose.
dubb93
12-05-2005, 02:38 PM
I hope that they are 14-0 and the Seahawks beat them something like 28-10!! Yeah I know it may be a "pipe-dream", but hey it could happen!! :eek:
They aren't going to get beat that bad, but there is no reason the Hawks can't beat them. But your defense is going to have to play the game of the year. I'm still of the opinion that a great offense with a lousy defense matches up better with them than a great defense/lousy offense. The reason being you have to score points to beat them. Then you have to hope the breaks go your way.
dacman
12-05-2005, 02:39 PM
I agree. Wasn't there another team that went undefeated in the regular season, but did not seal the deal?
The 1934 or 1942 Bears?
http://www.nfl.com/history/standings/1934.html
http://www.nfl.com/history/standings/1942.html
rkmsuf
12-05-2005, 02:39 PM
And nobody is as annoying as Buoniconti, Morris and those guys doing that.
Get over it people.
cthomer5000
12-05-2005, 02:43 PM
Ideally I do want them to do it. But I think if they go undefeated in the regular season, it severely decreases the odds the win the Super Bowl. I think deep-down Dungy wants to lose a game before the playoffs begin.
kcchief19
12-05-2005, 02:45 PM
I should say no, since I want my team to beat them so we can go to the Super Bowl. :)
That aside, I think it would be exciting to see a team go for an undefeated season. Plus, I have a hard time picturing Peyton Manning and Marving Harrison going around for the next 30 years trying the hex everybody once they get to 9-0.
Kodos
12-05-2005, 02:49 PM
And nobody is as annoying as Buoniconti, Morris and those guys doing that.
Get over it people.
Column from the Miami Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-hyde30nov30,0,5601989.column?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)
'72 Dolphins have more than 17-0 season in their lives
Published November 30, 2005
Time again to mock the 1972 Dolphins. Time to paint them as even grumpier, older men. Time to knock them for (a) living in the past by (b) bitterly clinging to their 17-0 record and (c) childishly rooting against the perfect-so-far Indianapolis Colts because (d) they don't want their otherwise empty lives diminished.
Yes, it's time for the national sports media to get busy, because this is a quick, easy and accepted storyline to spit out every football season. Throw in an age-specific word like Polident or Metamucil, get a bonus chuckle, too.
There's just one problem: None of it's true.
What, you think because Nick Buoniconti and Dick Anderson raise a champagne toast every season when the last undefeated team loses it symbolizes what pathetic, no-good, empty-life existences these two men have led since 1972?
Anderson became a state senator after football. He started successful insurance and cellular-phone businesses. He has served on civic and political groups to bring events like the Super Bowl to South Florida.
Buoniconti became CEO to a Fortune 500 company and then started the Miami Project to Cure Paralysis when his son, Marc, became paralyzed. A $37 million research center was built. Hundreds of scientists are involved. The annual budget is $18 million. Just this fall, a 20th annual fund-raiser was held in New York, adding to the more than $200 million raised by the Buonicontis for spinal cord research.
Man, what a couple of get-a-life losers, huh?
Here's the point: When you look at the Boys of '72 -- really look at their lives, not just give them the ha-ha caricature treatment they get in seasons like this -- you understand what an unusual group they are. Maybe it helps explain why they won, too.
Larry Csonka now headlines a popular outdoors cable TV show in Alaska. Bob Griese is ABC's top college football voice. Howard Twilley built an empire of athletic footwear stores in Kansas. Doug Swift became a doctor after taking the medical school entrance exam the day before a Dolphins game in New England.
"Played a good game that day, too," he said.
Paul Warfield owns a sports marketing company. Norm Evans runs a Christian ministry. Manny Fernandez is an account representative. Tim Foley made more money than any of them, his teammates say, by becoming one of Amway's biggest producers.
Do you want to keep going? Don Shula became the winningest coach in NFL history. Team owner Joe Robbie went on to build the first privately financed stadium in the country.
Jim Mandich started a construction company and is a popular radio show host in South Florida, where he throws out some of former teammate Jake Scott's phrases, like "green lizard" for Heineken beer, and goes by the "Mad Dog" moniker given for his special teams play as a rookie.
See how shallow this national storyline really is? Understand what kind of good work this team has done after football?
They had to work, too. They're from a different sports era. Their bank accounts didn't swell just for showing up. Jim Langer, in the middle of a Hall of Fame career, worked as a bank teller in the offseason. Larry Little, another future Hall of Famer, had wanted a $2,000 raise to $20,000 in 1970.
"If I give you that, I'll jump out of this 24th floor window," then-General Manager Joe Thomas said.
"You'd better get some wings, Joe," Little said.
Now Langer manages a truck company in Minnesota. Little has been a coach and is a career consultant for Miami-Dade County schools. Vern Den Herder returned to Iowa, where he runs a 450-acre farm. Jim Kiick is a private investigator in Broward. You can keep going down the roster.
They're all in the news again because the Colts are 11-0 today. Part of the discussion is whether the Colts can go undefeated (answer: their dome and schedule help). Part is whether it's more difficult to go undefeated today (answer: one team did it in any era -- how could it be more difficult now?)
Part of the discussion is the '72 Dolphins, too. They mostly love the attention, too. They're hams that way. Plus they enjoy remembering their accomplishment in the way you might enjoy a high school reunion or some good college memory.
But that doesn't mean you've done nothing since high school or college, does it? Well?
rkmsuf
12-05-2005, 02:50 PM
and they are paranoid. great.
scooper
12-05-2005, 02:52 PM
My obvious choice would be for the Bengals to win the rematch in Indy in the AFC championship game. But otherwise, I'd be happy to see them go unbeaten. It hasn't happened in my lifetime and I'm also tired of that cork popping crap.
I like Tony Dungy, and I like the team attitude and work ethic of the team. If another team were to finally go unbeaten, it may as well be the Colts.
Radii
12-05-2005, 02:53 PM
The only time I'd root against the Colts this year is if they faced Carolina in the Super Bowl. If that scenario doesn't happen, it would make only the 2nd time I rooted for the AFC in the Super Bowl(the other being Denver vs Atlanta of course).
st.cronin
12-05-2005, 02:58 PM
I like Peyton Manning. I don't like him as much as Tom Brady or my girlfriend, but I like him, and root for him to succeed.
But I would rather some other team win the Super Bowl.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 03:00 PM
Yeah, and Calvin Murphy is a pedophile. Guess all those successful people have something in common with him.
Samdari
12-05-2005, 03:00 PM
Why would they do that? The only reason it goes on now is because they're the only ones to do it.
It is speculative, of course, but I highly suspect that if the Colts go undefeated and then win the Super Bowl, you will simply replace the Dolphins as the only team to do it with the Colts as the last team to do it.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 03:02 PM
In fact, that article just goes to show how much they DO need the perfect season. Aside from Greise and Buoniconti, not many people really know what happened to them. It's all that gives them football immortality, despite their off the field successes.
Draft Dodger
12-05-2005, 03:06 PM
I think the 72 Fins get a bum rap. they aren't obnoxious about it - they are celebrating a great accomplishment. It's not like freaking Chuck Bednarik rooting against the Eagles.
If I'm not mistaken, Indianapolis clinches home field next week, giving them 3 meaningless regular season games. And it's not like the opponents are cupcakes - San Diego is fighting for their playoff lives, and Seattle is going to be working on home field for the playoffs. And if Dungy wants to start resting players...it wouldn't surprise me if they lost 2 games and went into the playoffs with all kinds of question marks from the media.
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 03:11 PM
I think the fact that they do what they do is the very definition of obnoxious. They aren't celebrating their own accomplishment - that happened 30+ years ago. They're celebrating the fact that no one else is going to do what they did for at least another year. Poor form, IMO.
Travis
12-05-2005, 03:13 PM
I really wonder what the effect of a regular season loss would be to the Colts. It would do one of two things, either take away all pressure and (as scary as it sounds) allow the team to play better, or potentially start a destructive cycle.
One reason I bring this up was because this past season in the CFL, the B.C. Lions started the year 11-0 (18 game season), then went 1-6 (including a 4 game losing streak that started with their first loss of the year) down the stretch after losing their 12th game. They still managed to finish 1st in the West (which gives them a first round bye and home field advantage in the Western Final), but dropped their home playoff game to finish the season with a 12-9 record. This was a team that scored 30+ points 10 times, 3 times in the 40's with 1 offensive outburst of 60 points in a game.
When they were 11-0 the talk had already started about a possible undefeated season, and for the most part, they were handling their games with relative ease. There were some factors present that wouldn't crop up in Indy (QB controversy was a big one), but while I would imagine this team would be the type to take a loss, get rid of all the excess pressure and come back refocused on winning the Super Bowl rather than having a perfect season, imagine what it would do to the image of Peyton if they end up losing the last two games of the year, then their first playoff game.
As a Seahawks fan, I hope we beat them in a few weeks to help our chances of winning the NFC, but if we manage to make the SB and the Colts come out of the AFC, I'm not sure if I'd rather they walk in with the pressure of finishing off a perfect season or with a blemish on their record.
rkmsuf
12-05-2005, 03:18 PM
I think the fact that they do what they do is the very definition of obnoxious. They aren't celebrating their own accomplishment - that happened 30+ years ago. They're celebrating the fact that no one else is going to do what they did for at least another year. Poor form, IMO.
Exactly. They can paint it however they want but they let people film them popping a cork.
Greyroofoo
12-05-2005, 03:43 PM
Being a Colts fan through the days of Jeff George I am revelling in the glory now
Daimyo
12-05-2005, 03:51 PM
As a Colts fan I'm a bit torn. On the one hand it would be an amazing accomplishment to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but on the other hand I think losing a game or two might actually increase the odds of winning the Super Bowl. Manning already carries a ton of pressure to win in the playoffs and the last thing he needs is the extra pressure of preserving a perfect season...
CraigSca
12-05-2005, 03:58 PM
As a former Baltimorean, I have a little touch of sour grapes regarding the Colts. Maybe someday I'll get over it.
(No, I'm not a Ravens fan, either)
Kodos
12-05-2005, 04:01 PM
I can only imagine how the Patriot fans will try to trivialize the accomplishment if Peyton does lead them to a Super Bowl win following a perfect season. "Their schedule was soft blah blah blah..."
B & B
12-05-2005, 04:01 PM
I voted No because I dont think they will.
Kodos
12-05-2005, 04:03 PM
I voted No because I dont think they will.
That's not much of a reason, son. :) "I don't want them to win because I don't think they will."
dubb93
12-05-2005, 04:08 PM
Being a Colts fan through the days of Jeff George I am revelling in the glory now
Oh god, and while we're at it, we'll build a defense around the following top 5 picks...Steve Emtman, Quentin Coryatt, and Trev Alberts :confused:
Ellis Johnson wasn't much better, but atleast they waited untill the middle of the 1st round for him.
McSweeny
12-05-2005, 04:10 PM
I can only imagine how the Patriot fans will try to trivialize the accomplishment if Peyton does lead them to a Super Bowl win following a perfect season. "Their schedule was soft blah blah blah..."we'll just say something like:
"yeah well he still hasn't won 3 out of 4"
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/smile.gif
st.cronin
12-05-2005, 04:11 PM
I, personally can't wait for Colts fans to make excuses for Peyton Manning when the Patriots end their undefeated season in the playoffs.
ThunderingHERD
12-05-2005, 04:26 PM
The people bitching about the 72 Dolphins really need to get their facts straight:
Shula: Champagne story about '72 Dolphins is a myth
BY GEORGE DIAZ
The Orlando Sentinel
Don Shula would like to clarify a story that's become urban legend in the sports media.
There isn't a big celebratory champagne bash whenever a team falls short of matching the 1972 Miami Dolphins as the only undefeated squad in NFL history.
"That's probably the most-talked-about thing that just doesn't happen," Shula, the former Dolphins coach, said during a national conference call Tuesday. "We've got players scattered all across the country. Nick Buoniconti, Bob Griese and Dick Anderson all live in Coral Gables, and they'll go to a parking lot and open a bottle of champagne, but those three are too cheap to invite the rest of us down there."
This could be the season when the cork doesn't pop.
The undefeated Indianapolis Colts - a team that now has an aggressive defense to match its offensive proficiency - are posing a formidable challenge to Miami's legacy.
"The Colts are doing things that no one has ever done," Shula said. "They've looked tremendous."
At 10-0, the Colts are coming off their most impressive victory of the season, 45-37 at Cincinnati. The Colts have won seven games by double digits, lead the league in points and rank second in points allowed.
The Colts are the fifth team to start 10-0 since the league began a 16-game schedule in 1978. That includes the 1985 Chicago Bears, who lost only to Shula's Dolphins in a dramatic game in the Orange Bowl on Monday Night Football, and the 1998 Denver Broncos.
Although playing in a different era, the `72 Dolphins were able to overcome the loss of Griese, their starting quarterback. Earl Morrall - signed for $90,000 a year - guided the Dolphins to 12 of their 17 victories
"It just shows you how tough it is to do when nobody has done it before us and nobody has done it since us," Shula said. "The Colts are a team that's really capable of doing it. They have still got some tough games to play, but if and when they do it, it's just going to prove that they, too, will be a great football team."
The Colts have some tough matchups, including a home date against Pittsburgh on Monday night, at Jacksonville on Dec. 11 and at Seattle on Christmas Eve.
"We've been accused of being angry, old men and just hoping and praying that the last team would lose, and that's not true," Shula said. "If the Colts do it, I'd be the first guy to call (Colts Coach Tony) Dungy and congratulate him, and I'm sure our players would congratulate their players."
Ksyrup
12-05-2005, 04:40 PM
So I don't recall Bob Greise openly rooting against his own son's team in 1998?
I don't care if it's 3 or 30 of them that get together, they still do it. I've never had a problem with Shula; in fact, that seems like a typical calsssy thing for Shula to do, come to the aid of his players who he feels are being unfairly attacked.
ThunderingHERD
12-05-2005, 04:49 PM
I don't care if it's 3 or 30 of them that get together, they still do it.
Do you also dislike the Buffalo Bills teams of the 70s because they all killed their wife and a waiter?
Kodos
12-05-2005, 05:18 PM
I, personally can't wait for Colts fans to make excuses for Peyton Manning when the Patriots end their undefeated season in the playoffs.
I can't for the Colts to absolutely crush the Patriots in the playoffs and make Tom Brady sit and pout on the bench again.
st.cronin
12-05-2005, 05:25 PM
I can't for the Colts to absolutely crush the Patriots in the playoffs and make Tom Brady sit and pout on the bench again.
I think you left out the word wait, most likely because you are afraid you will be waiting forever.
cody8200
12-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Cronin, the Patriots era is over man. It's all over. As a Colts fan I would love to see the flawless season. I've been a Colts fan since before the Harbaugh days and I feel like no one besides maybe the Seahawks have a chance against us this year. The Broncos have no chance, not do the Chargers. The Seahawks can be scary but our defense has been ridiculously good this year. The only games our defense has broken down, our offense has scored 40 some points and did so looking effortless.
That being said, I really dont care about the perfect regular season, just a perfect post-season.
Raiders Army
12-05-2005, 05:44 PM
We need more trout votes
INDalltheway
12-05-2005, 05:59 PM
Go big or go home... I am a big Colts fan and I really hope they don't rest players in the last few games. They will have a bye week after week 17. Keep the players in a routine, don't mess with what has been working.
Daimyo
12-05-2005, 06:33 PM
Cronin, the Patriots era is over man. It's all over. As a Colts fan I would love to see the flawless season. I've been a Colts fan since before the Harbaugh days and I feel like no one besides maybe the Seahawks have a chance against us this year. The Broncos have no chance, not do the Chargers. The Seahawks can be scary but our defense has been ridiculously good this year. The only games our defense has broken down, our offense has scored 40 some points and did so looking effortless.
Please, please, please don't say things like that. (I'm a Colt's fan)
so what if the colts get to 18-0 but then lose the superbowl? still better than the dolphins since miami only had 17?
st.cronin
12-05-2005, 06:38 PM
so what if the colts get to 18-0 but then lose the superbowl? still better than the dolphins since miami only had 17?
that would be hilarious
Eaglesfan27
12-05-2005, 07:08 PM
No, I want the Eagles to be the team to do it.
wade moore
12-05-2005, 07:12 PM
I am a Peyton fan which has made me become a Colts fan (although my Skins still come first) and I would love to see them go undefeated... but, the bigger goal as others have mentioned is the superbowl.. I don't care if they go 12-4, as long as they win the super bowl.
Easy Mac
12-05-2005, 07:24 PM
so what if the colts get to 18-0 but then lose the superbowl? still better than the dolphins since miami only had 17?
From last year with the Pats:
A New England victory would boost the Patriots to 18 consecutive wins, including the playoffs. That total would tie five teams for the longest winning streaks in NFL history: 1933-34 Chicago Bears, 1941-42 Chicago Bears, 1972-73 Miami Dolphins, 1989-90 San Francisco 49ers and the 1997-98 Denver Broncos.
Raiders Army
12-05-2005, 07:27 PM
If I didn't say it before, this thread needs more trout.
miami_fan
12-05-2005, 08:01 PM
I voted yes and it has nothing to do with the 72 team whose story gets WAAY overplayed. I am hoping that, with this being a copycat league, teams begin to emulate the Colts. They have had the same QB for 8 yrs, their starting RB has been there for 7 yrs, one of their starting WR has been 10 yrs, their O-Line has a couple new pieces but it also has guys who have been there for 5+ years. Finally they have has the same offensive coordinator for 8 yrs. In a league where you see coaches and coordinators getting fired and moving from team to team, it is nice to see what a team with a core group that is together that long.
Butter
12-06-2005, 07:06 AM
I can't wait to see New England win their division at 8-8, then get to the 2nd round of the playoffs and have Peyton Manning pick them apart and lose 49-10.
that would be hilarious
Indeed it would.
jeff061
12-06-2005, 07:10 AM
Not perfect until you go though whole way, in my opinion. Still would be a hell of an achievement either way, soft schedule or not.
As for the Pats era being over, not sure how anyone can say that until they have a season like this with a stable full of healthy players. But I'm not going to be parading around the idea of the Pats ending the Colts streak in the playoffs. I'd LOVE to see that, but this isn't 03 or 04 :).
Ksyrup
12-06-2005, 07:11 AM
Didn't the Pats have a losing season after the first SB and still came back to win 2 more? I wouldn't bury them yet, even if this season ends with a whimper.
wade moore
12-06-2005, 07:13 AM
Not perfect until you go though whole way, in my opinion. Still would be a hell of an achievement either way, soft schedule or not.
As for the Pats era being over, not sure how anyone can say that until they have a season like this with a stable full of healthy players. But I'm not going to be parading around the idea of the Pats ending the Colts streak in the playoffs. I'd LOVE to see that, but this isn't 03 or 04 :).
Soft schedule?
You've got to be kidding me..
Steelers... Bengals... Jaguars twice... they may have some easier teams, but they have beaten some of the top teams in the AFC...
Ksyrup
12-06-2005, 07:15 AM
The first half of their schedule was undeniably soft. However, if they get through this entire season undeated, I don't see how anyone can suggest they didn't earn it. Just the next 3 weeks are going to be a good test.
wade moore
12-06-2005, 07:18 AM
The first half of their schedule was undeniably soft. However, if they get through this entire season undeated, I don't see how anyone can suggest they didn't earn it. Just the next 3 weeks are going to be a good test.
And again, 3 tough games already (Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Jax)
jeff061
12-06-2005, 07:35 AM
Soft schedule?
You've got to be kidding me..
Steelers... Bengals... Jaguars twice... they may have some easier teams, but they have beaten some of the top teams in the AFC...
Figures you'd latch right on to that, even though I said it didn't matter. Yes, it was an easy schedule. Last time I saw the stats it was the 1st or 2nd easiest in the league.
But like I said, I don't think it matters. 16 wins is 16 wins. Nearly all teams would trip up somewhere along the lines, no matter who they are playing. But if it helps you digest the Colts/Pats rivalry you can pretend I didn't say that.
wade moore
12-06-2005, 07:41 AM
Figures you'd latch right on to that, even though I said it didn't matter. Yes, it was an easy schedule. Last time I saw the stats it was the 1st or 2nd easiest in the league.
But like I said, I don't think it matters. 16 wins is 16 wins. Nearly all teams would trip up somewhere along the lines, no matter who they are playing. But if it helps you digest the Colts/Pats rivalry you can pretend I didn't say that.
When is the last time you saw SOS?
http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp
http://www.fftoday.com/sos/sos.htm
Both of these show the Colts as middle of the road, and that is without the games coming up for the rest of the season.
I won't say that the Colts have the hardest schedule, but to say it is soft is silly...
jeff061
12-06-2005, 07:43 AM
When it was based off of last season ;).
wade moore
12-06-2005, 07:44 AM
When it was based off of last season ;).
Good lord man! ;)...
tanglewood
12-06-2005, 09:04 AM
I voted no, only because I would like to see the Bengals win the Super Bowl. Colts would probably be my number 2 choice though.
Ksyrup
12-06-2005, 10:21 AM
Looks like Dungy may be softening his stance a bit. And hey, if someone gets hurt, he can just blame God!
Coach Tony Dungy reversed field a bit, saying he is unsure how he'll handle playing time once the Colts clinch homefield advantage.
The e-mails and phone calls from Peyton Manning owners must have had an impact, because Dungy is now turning to a higher power for advice on the issue. "I'll pray about it, try to get some wisdom from the Lord as to what to do," Dungy said. "If we decide to play our guys, which I'm sure they'll all want to play, I'll pray that they don't get hurt and we can go out and keep winning.'' Dec. 6 - 10:03 am et
jeff061
12-06-2005, 10:33 AM
I'd play them just to keep the momentum rolling into the playoffs.
Daimyo
12-06-2005, 10:46 AM
Colts had a very soft schedule to start the season, but when all is said and done they will have played the Pats, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Seahawks, and Jaguars(twice) so strength of schedule shouldn't even enter the conversation if they go undefeated. If you want to talk about strength of schedule look at the '72 Dolphins... I believe that ranks as one of the easiest in NFL history with I believe only two teams at or above 500.
Kodos
12-06-2005, 11:21 AM
It's almost like the Dolphins were in IHOF's famed Shitcan Division.
;)
Greyroofoo
12-06-2005, 07:46 PM
Does anyone else realize that the Tennessee game was Tony 100th victory as a head coach?
miami_fan
12-06-2005, 08:05 PM
Does anyone else realize that the Tennessee game was Tony 100th victory as a head coach?
Actually we had a discussion at work about this. Assuming the Colts go to and win the Super Bowl, is Dungy then considered a great coach? At the end of his tenure in Tampa, he was thought of as a good coach who could not take a team to the next level. I am not sure that all of a sudden he learned how to take a team to the Super Bowl since he left Tampa. Now before anyone starts, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL QUESTION!
Desnudo
12-06-2005, 08:08 PM
I can only imagine how the Patriot fans will try to trivialize the accomplishment if Peyton does lead them to a Super Bowl win following a perfect season. "Their schedule was soft blah blah blah..."
Their schedule was soft, blah blah blah. :p
Still think they're a good team though, obviously.
Antmeister
12-06-2005, 08:46 PM
Actually we had a discussion at work about this. Assuming the Colts go to and win the Super Bowl, is Dungy then considered a great coach? At the end of his tenure in Tampa, he was thought of as a good coach who could not take a team to the next level. I am not sure that all of a sudden he learned how to take a team to the Super Bowl since he left Tampa. Now before anyone starts, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL QUESTION!
Good question. I have wondered about this, because I have a feeling that if they win the Super Bowl, most would say it was all because of Manning and little to do with Dungy.
Dungy was smart enough to understand not to change the offensive system when he got there and it has proven to pay off in the continued development of Manning. A number of other coaches would have brought in their own people to take over most of that.
And although the defense isn't the best in the league, they are good enough at this point to win games.
I believe he is very close to being a great coach and only because of his tenure and the amount of playoff appearances he has appeared in. A Super Bowl win and/or more will help him reach that great title and that title would be well deserved.
Daimyo
12-06-2005, 09:50 PM
Dungy is a great coach. Tampa didn't win the super bowl because they changed coaches, they won because they added offensive talent to the team.
Ksyrup
12-19-2005, 10:13 AM
The people bitching about the 72 Dolphins really need to get their facts straight:
From King's MMQB:
The Colts' loss to San Diego ended at 4:21 p.m. EST. By 6:07, quotes from seven 1972 Dolphins players, plus coach Don Shula, were in my e-mail, from the Miami PR staff. Efficient, to be sure. But does that team have to be so publicly joyful EVERY time the last unbeaten team loses a game, keeping the legacy of the only unbeaten NFL team ever intact?
I rest my case.
Butter
12-19-2005, 10:36 AM
And they had a press conference... after which Steve Levy or some helpful Sportscenter wag on the 7 PM Sunday Sportscenter said "did they really need to hold a press conference for this?" or something similar.
Plus, when Bob Griese said "we were really pulling for them", you can hear Shula in the background saying, "what's this 'we' stuff?"
Cringer
12-19-2005, 11:06 AM
I just voted 'Yes' for the Colts to go undefeated. :D
gstelmack
12-19-2005, 11:09 AM
Ah, now I can go back to my rightful place rooting AGAINST Peyton and the Colts.
dubb93
12-19-2005, 02:32 PM
Their schedule was soft, blah blah blah. :p
Even though we are no longer undefeated, I don't buy this excuse from a Pats fan. This season each team has a win over the following teams that are currently in the playoffs.
New England:
@ Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay
Indy:
Jacksonville, @ New England, @ Cincy, Pittsburgh, @ Jacksonville
It is just as much about who you play as who you beat?
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