This is going to be started a day early. I had a freakin' dream that we lost to Pittsburgh tomorrow. But nonetheless, it is a huge game, something we need to do is get over the hump of beating the Steelers. Also, it'd be our first winning season since 1990 if we get #9 Sunday.

Tidbit from ESPN: "Johnson suggested this week that, if he scores on Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers in a key AFC North matchup, his choreographed celebration will be his best ever. This week, Johnson wore a Terrible Towel as a bib while eating lunch in the locker room, a clear jab at the Steelers."

That's just.. fantastic. Go Bengals.

Go Vikings.

Go Bengals.

Go Vikings.

Go Cowboys.

Go Cowboys.

*nods*

Big, big game for the Cowboys tomorrow.

Go Chargers!!

Go Cowboys.
Go Giants! :p

Tidbit from ESPN: "Johnson suggested this week that, if he scores on Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers in a key AFC North matchup, his choreographed celebration will be his best ever. This week, Johnson wore a Terrible Towel as a bib while eating lunch in the locker room, a clear jab at the Steelers."

That's just.. fantastic. Go Bengals.


I saw last weeks cost him $5000

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2246059

Go Vikings.
Go Lio... I'm sorry. I can't. It just sounds stupid.

Go Chargers!!

ditto. Go Chargers! The Bolt is Back! San Diego Super Chargers! Fouts to Winslow! Fouts handsoff to Little Train James! Humpries back to pass.....and throws a bomb to Tony Martin!
Ronnie Harmon dodges and slices his way through the Raider defense!


Okay...sorry, too many flashbacks... must focus on the present! Go Chargers!

Go banana!

If the Bengals want to make a statement, this is the game to do it in, with a win this sumday they would take what is essentially a 3 game lead in the division due to the split with pitt and in the end probably having a better divisional record. With 4 games left it would all but assure Cincinnati of our first division title in 15 years and a home game in our first game of the post season. It would also keep them in the running for a first round bye should Denver stumble along the way.

GO BENGALS! I BELIEVE! IN MARVIN WE TRUST!

Three very important football games tomorrow.

1) Dallas vs. NY Giants

Winner takes a one game lead in the division. Cowboys would also clinch the tiebreaker, making it a two game lead with 4 games left. Must win for the Giants.

2) Cincy at Pittsburgh

This would tie up the division, but Pittsburgh holds the tiebreaker. The scary thing about the AFC is you could lose this game and be in danger of missing the playoffs. Cincy also has to have this win if they have any hopes of a first round bye.

3) Denver at KC

Simply put, Denver wins this game, they will win the AFC west. No, it isn't a lock they would do it. The Chargers would still be 2 back with 4 to play. Thing is, Denver has Baltimore, Buffalo and Oakland on the schedule before they play SD. SD has road games in Indy and KC left. Denver has the favorable schedule if they get by this game.

For KC, this isn't as much about the division as it is the playoffs. They finish with Dallas and the Giants on the road and SD and Cincy at home. That's brutal. That looks more like 1-3 than 3-1. They lose the game to Denver, it's probably over.

huge game in Charlotte tomorrow. Go Panthers!

huge game in Charlotte tomorrow. Go Panthers!

That's right. Go Panthers! To the BAR! Get very drunk tonight! Sleep late and eat a big breakfast!

W00t! Get to see me Colts beat the #$^& out of the Titans today!

It's GAAAAAMMMME TIIIMMME! C'mon Vikings.....Annd... Wait for it.. Wait for it... PACKERS!

Whoa, I get the Bengals vs Steelers. It's a friggin MIRACLE!!!!

Whoa, I get the Bengals vs Steelers. It's a friggin MIRACLE!!!!
That's dumb, I'm getting the Colts game. Oh, well. I'd rather watch the Packer game while listening to the Vikings.

CATCH the ball Desmond Clark.

Defense gives the offense a gift (okay, the Packers punter gives the Bears a gift)....Clark can't catch, balls goes up...pick.

How is Buffalo already up 14-0? :eek:

TD Marvin Harrison!!!!!!!!!

From CBS.Sportsline:

SCORING SUMMARY <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="bg4" colspan="3">1ST QUARTER</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="top"><td width="15">http://images.nfl.com/images/icons/BUF.gif</td><td width="20">TD</td><td>Lee Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932), 46 Yd pass from J.P. Losman (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493000) (Rian Lindell (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/195697) kick is good), 12:47. Drive: 4 plays, 61 yards in 2:13.</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="top"><td width="15">http://images.nfl.com/images/icons/BUF.gif</td><td width="20">TD</td><td>Lee Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932), 56 Yd pass from J.P. Losman (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493000) (Rian Lindell (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/195697) kick is good), 11:07. Drive: 1 play, 56 yards in 0:11.</td></tr></tbody></table>

:eek: :eek:

How is Buffalo already up 14-0? :eek:

if you were playing miami you'd be up by 14 points too

Tee-hee...

One play, 80 yards, touchdown for Korean Robinson. Vikings lead 7-3. Woot.

Someone want to tell me what the Giants are doing? 3rd and 12, Bledsoe throws a 7 yard route to Witten. He drops the ball.

Not one, but two Giants players take two full steps and nail Witten right in front of the official. Then they get pissed at the flag. Ummm guys, just because he isn't a QB doesn't mean you can take full runs and hit him for the hell of it.

Giants playing dumb again today, game scoreless.

Pitt up 7-0 on the Bengals
Atlanta/Carolina scoreless, both offenses look clueless right now. Peppers and Rossum are both hurt.
Giants/Cowboys scoreless.

Atlanta/Carolina scoreless, both offenses look clueless right now.I think calling them 'clueless' is being generous at this point.

dola,

Koren Robinson with an 80 yard TD reception?

Buy that man a beer.

8:24 left in the 1Q and Vick runs for the FIRST FIRST DOWN OF THE GAME! (edit: for either team)

Jeez...

From CBS.Sportsline:

SCORING SUMMARY <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="bg4" colspan="3">1ST QUARTER</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="top"><td width="15">http://images.nfl.com/images/icons/BUF.gif</td><td width="20">TD</td><td>Lee Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932), 46 Yd pass from J.P. Losman (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493000) (Rian Lindell (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/195697) kick is good), 12:47. Drive: 4 plays, 61 yards in 2:13.</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="top"><td width="15">http://images.nfl.com/images/icons/BUF.gif</td><td width="20">TD</td><td>Lee Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932), 56 Yd pass from J.P. Losman (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493000) (Rian Lindell (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/195697) kick is good), 11:07. Drive: 1 play, 56 yards in 0:11.</td></tr></tbody></table>

:eek: :eek:


Stupid CBS Sportsline said not to start Evans. :mad:

8:24 left in the 1Q and Vick runs for the FIRST FIRST DOWN OF THE GAME! (edit: for either team)

Jeez...


Yeah, these guys are horrible now. Atlanta can't run on Carolina. I think they need to go down the field.

As I type that, Vick and Crumpler hook up on a sweet play down the field. What a pass and catch that was.

And then Vick does a design run for 15 yards.. Vick always has success running against the Panthers... he need to continue that.

Couldn't go the distance, but the Birds move from under the shadow of their own goalpost around 75 yards and kick a FG. 3-0. The way the offenses have looked up to now, that might stand up. :p

Stupid CBS Sportsline said not to start Evans. :mad:
Errrmm..

Lee Evans - 4 yard TD Reception.. Damn for you.

WRAP UP!!!!

Well, the Panthers woke up. Now we have ourselves a football game.

edit: I didn't mean to imply the Falcons were dominating. Just saying now that the offenses are plyaing things may get interesting.

Sheesh. Can anybody around here tackle? 6-3 Panthers. Extra point pending.

Jeff Garcia 3/10, 13 yards...Lions fans chanting for Harrington.

Sheesh. Can anybody around here tackle? 6-3 Panthers. Extra point pending.
Good..

:p

Vikings for WildCard!

3-0 Bears!

Dola...Stellar quarter and a half for Orton...4 yards passing.

Garcia needs to be benched right away.

Damn... why didn't Finneran make his cut 1 yard deeper?

Pffft. Go for it.

7-6 Panthers.

I think in this game, the Falcons would be better served by playing Duckett more early on in the game (instead of what they usually do, use Duckett most of the time in the 2nd half).

Jeff Garcia 3/10, 13 yards...Lions fans chanting for Harrington.


I've can only think of a few cases I've ever lost more respect for a player than Garcia this week. His "everyone knows what the situation is and what it should be" comment was both egotistical and idiotic at the same time.

Hey Jeff, hate to break the news to you, but you haven't exactly been a savior this year and you weren't last year with Cleveland either. Get a grip.

It's great to see people like that falling on their faces. I hope he goes 3-40 today.

Good ol' He Hate Me.

14-All Bengals and Steelers

PS: Carson Palmer is a f'n G

Random fact that I don't think I've ever shared here: Todd Peterson stole the girlfriend of one of my best friends back in college.

Random fact that I don't think I've ever shared here: Todd Peterson stole the girlfriend of one of my best friends back in college.Chicks love the kickers.

Go Charlie Frye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and also another TD pass by Peyton

Go Charlie Frye!

Stupid CBS Sportsline said not to start Evans. :mad:

I ignored them - brought him back of the bench for today. Woohoo! :p

But as a Miami fan :(

Well... that's not going to make the Carolina fans happy. That INT was probably directly related to the horrible call.

Packers driving, but Favre hurt on a roughing the passer call.

He'll stay in though. C'mon now Packers.

That Falcons play was the strangest plays I've ever seen (in a good way :D). Vick in motion and Dunn behind center in a direct run.

Hahaha! Dunn lines up in what looked like an old single-Wing formation. Vick goes in motion. Dunn takes the snap and runs near the first down on 3rd and 5/6.

7-3 Packers. All right!

The Packers aren't as bad as everyone says they are.... Annnd! The Bears aren't as good as Bears fans think! Hah!

I heart TJ Houshmanzadeh. Only chance I have to beat Quiksand this week and keep my playoff hopes alive.

vick got pwned

If you are going for it on 4th down, Atlanta, you MAY want to block.

vick got pwnedWell, wasn't exactly his fault. I don't think anyone touched Rucker on that play....on fourth and one, no less. :(

21-14 Bengals

Palmer has 3 TD passes

I think there is a new law in the North.

i like how the tv was focusing on Vick, and in the background fans were waving a Mexico flag.

7-3 Packers. All right!

The Packers aren't as bad as everyone says they are.... Annnd! The Bears aren't as good as Bears fans think! Hah!

w00t!!!

Packers driving, but Favre hurt on a roughing the passer call.

He'll stay in though. C'mon now Packers.

Favre would stay in with bullet wounds and/or missing limbs. And probably throw a TD pass.

Well, wasn't exactly his fault. I don't think anyone touched Rucker on that play....on fourth and one, no less. :(
he's the qb, he's got to call out of that or take the penalty. you can't give him all the credit for a long run then fault the o-line when he takes a sack.

Favre would stay in with bullet wounds and/or missing limbs. And probably throw a TD pass. and 5 picks.

Hmmm... I wonder if the colour commentator has ever seen a defensive line get after Mike Vick like the Panthers line? I just wish he would let us know!

Favre would stay in with bullet wounds and/or missing limbs. And probably throw a TD pass.

I think Favre would stay in the game with a missing HEAD.

he's the qb, he's got to call out of that or take the penalty. you can't give him all the credit for a long run then fault the o-line when he takes a sack.I could be wrong, but that looked like a missed assignment to me. Hard for him to predict that if it was the case.


Dang, we couldn't stop 'em on last down.

You know how Carolina converted that 4th down? I with the Falcons would realize that you have a guy the size of TJ Duckett in the backfield sometimes..

Bengals force yet another turnover.

We're gonna field goal the Packers to death, I tell you.

TD Smith, there is no better WR in football.

SOMEBODY TACKLE!!!!

Did Smith just change the football's diaper???

2nd
HOU• 3 2:55
BAL -5


I knew Baltimore's offense was bad...

Favre is still fun to watch. Packers ran a reverse play where Favre is the lead blocker. Gain of 11 for the Packers as they go into the 2 minute warning threatening to score again against the Bears. As a Vikings fan, I'll still love Favre, regardless of how many times he beat the Vikings. It'll be a sad day when he retires.

Is the score in Baltimore really 3-1???

Is the score in Baltimore really 3-1???
Nevermind, ESPN just sucks donkey balls.

Just to sum up my season in fantasyball this year: a half-hour before game time, I noticed that Charlie Frye was getting the start against Jacksonville and it was snowing in Cleveland. So I deactivated Braylon Edwards and started Michael Clayton (we start four WRs in our league). Edwards is already 3-74-2. I'm in 10th place out of 12 teams and I lead the league in total points.

Nevermind, ESPN just sucks donkey balls.
nfl.com had it too.

1-7-CHI 7 (:24) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass intended for R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by C.Tillman at CHI -2. C.Tillman pushed ob at GB 7 for 95 yards (T.Fisher).


dammit

Just to sum up my season in fantasyball this year: a half-hour before game time, I noticed that Charlie Frye was getting the start against Jacksonville and it was snowing in Cleveland. So I deactivated Braylon Edwards and started Michael Clayton (we start four WRs in our league). Edwards is already 3-74-2. I'm in 10th place out of 12 teams and I lead the league in total points.

So you're like the Green Bay Packers of your fantasy league?

God Damnit. That's classic Favre for you. Throws it up for grabs and it's picked off in the end zone on First and Goal. Jeez. The Bears then return it all the way to the 6 yard line and settle for a field goal attempt. Ugh, Favre.

So wait, the ground can cause a fumble, even if its out of bounds? he had possession in bounds, hit the ground out of bounds, and lost the ball,

The Vick Haters vs. Vick Lovers going at it in this thread has the potential to be as good of entertainment as the games today.

Packers finding a way to blow the game more then the Bears so far. 9-7 Bears at the half when it should be 10-6 Packers at the least.

So wait, the ground can cause a fumble, even if its out of bounds? he had possession in bounds, hit the ground out of bounds, and lost the ball,Yeah...I gotta think through that one...

and 5 picks.

Shhh .. the Bears are listening!!

So wait, the ground can cause a fumble, even if its out of bounds? he had possession in bounds, hit the ground out of bounds, and lost the ball,


Rule states you must have possession of the ball all the way to the ground, regardless of if that is in or out of bounds. This wasn't a fumble ruling it was a catch ruling. He didn't keep control throughout the catch, it's incomplete.

17-0 Giants.

he's the qb, he's got to call out of that or take the penalty. you can't give him all the credit for a long run then fault the o-line when he takes a sack.

I blame a lot of Vick's sacks on Vick. I think he brings many of them on his own, but that play was one of two things:

1) Either the play was designed to fake the DT inside and that was the assumption or

2) It was a missed assignment.

Either way, not the QB's read. He ran the play call and never had a chance. That's either on the coach or the OLineman there.

That's about the only way we've stopped Foster all day.

don't worry, he'll pull a muscle in his pinky and have to miss 3 weeks.

and McNair is injured

OK. so I've seen numerous horse collar tackles for both the Panthers and Falcons. Are they going to start calling these soon?

All the catches Steve Smith makes and he drops that one?!

We need at least three here.

don't worry, he'll pull a muscle in his pinky and have to miss 3 weeks.

You ever pulled that muscle? Because I have mister, and let me tell you I couldn't leave bed for days!! :p

And I have decided there are just too many good games at at one time. This blows because I usually just watch the Packer game when it is on except for commercials, but I have like 3 or 4 other games I want to watch some of too. They should have moved one or two of these to the later time.

Big Ben is on his way to being a legend.

A Tampa Bay loss would be nice, New Orleans must be playing them tough so far as it's 7-3 TB lead. Go Saints!

Did I read that correctly? Orton has a 5.9 QB passer rating... And another incomplete pass.

Did I read that correctly? Orton has a 5.9 QB passer rating... And another incomplete pass.

Probably not, that looks way too high to be Orton's rating.

He wouldn't even be a good pitcher if that was his ERA!

Steelers score, and the Bengals answer right back with a long KR to the 4 and a TD: 31-24

They stopped showing my Colts :(

WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THAT DAMN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

They stopped showing my Colts :(

WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THAT DAMN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!
Good. But I'll still watch the Packer game until it's over. But at least now I have something to watch when the Bears/Packers game is on commercial.

Outstanding interception by Aaron Glenn, but I think he hurt his ankle while being tackled awkwardly.

We need at least three here.Dang, and Todd didn't have enough leg to get us three. :(

Stupid announcers... if the kicker had the RANGE, it can't be short as well.

Orton needs to shave that crap. And Bears get yet another break on a drop by Maynard on the punt... He drops the ball, takes a few steps over and still gets the punt off.

Tim Carter just dropped a perfect 52 yard pass from Eli Manning. Un-freakin-believable. Must have seen the Virginia Tech game last night.

Stupid announcers... if the kicker had the RANGE, it can't be short as well.The only negative side effect of switching to Comcast is that I can no longer listen to the radio during games, as it is a good second and a half ahead of the picture. These clowns I've heard the last few weeks are just awful.

Gotta love watching Favre get plastered by Mike Brown. Get up, laugh it off with Urlacher, and then as soon as he gets away from any Bears players he grimaces in pain.

As a Bears fan, Favre is like a Krispy Kreme donut. You know eventually he's going to kill you but you can't help but love him in the process.

This PIT/CIN game has been very entertaining so far.

Cowboys are really storming back in this one. Now 17-10, and they just took over on their own 40 after a great punt return.

I'm not a Steelers fan, but why would you have Rothlisberger throw deep with a banged up thumb.

Aaron Rodgers warming up.

Aaron Rodgers warming up.
Keep your ears open for any shotgun sounds from the Green Bay sideline after Favre is removed.

LOL at Lions fans. Apparently a fan just got booted out of the stadium for having a sign that said "Fire Millen."

Not only that, but the fans were also chanting "Fire Matt Millen" as well.

Willie Parker fumbles it again, but the Steelers are lucky that the ball rolled out of bounds. Put in the BUS.

LOL at Lions fans. Apparently a fan just got booted out of the stadium for having a sign that said "Fire Millen."
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Why can't Steeler running backs hang on to the ball?

Tiki Barber... he's really just like Curtis Martin, always been very good, but perhaps never the very best back in the league. Just ripped off a great run.

Giants just went for it on 4th and 6 in field goal range(29 yard line)?

Good return Pack. Lets do it now! Get a great drive for a TD for the lead.

Fuck. The Packers were driving and the Bears come up big with a fumble recovery. Damn damn.

C'mon Saints, come up big here now.

edit: that's the end of the Saints after an interception in the red zone. Gawd.

Interception by the Bucs! Woot!

Yayyy, Bucs intercepted as Saints were going for tying TD. Now if the Falcons would lose, this day would be perfect!

LOL at Lions fans. Apparently a fan just got booted out of the stadium for having a sign that said "Fire Millen."

Not only that, but the fans were also chanting "Fire Matt Millen" as well.
Lions' fans are making asses of themselves. Then again, they have a lot to be pissed off about. It's been a joke for many years.

TOOOOOOOOOSE is running well.

Announced on th radio that ANOTHER fan gets removed from the stadium for holding a Fire Millen sign.

Whenever somebody holds that sign up, the fans are going crazy.. Too funny.

Bengals with another pick.

Well, cripes. After a TD for the defense called back, the Lions are still in it.

Giants just went for it on 4th and 6 in field goal range(29 yard line)?
No way they were making a FG from there.

A coworker is gonna be crying tomorrow after watch the Steelers

In the AFC, I really would want everything to happen to help the Bolts out but damned if I can figure out who should lose/win.

Anyone know what happened with Braylon Edwards in Cleveland. I heard there was a bad injury

I want to see a Chad Johnson TD...

Lions' fans are making asses of themselves. Then again, they have a lot to be pissed off about. It's been a joke for many years.

I'm actually extremely proud of the Lions fans there. Instead of "Fire Millen", they should have chanted "Fire the Lions". I hope somebody eggs Millen's car. He's a complete dipshit who passes the buck at every opportunity he gets.

LOL Jay Feely missed again.

Gotta give the Bears defense credit. Dang.

YES! Bears miss 43 yard field goal, short.

C'mon Packers, quit freakin giving them the game.

Anyone know what happened with Braylon Edwards in Cleveland. I heard there was a bad injury

From cbs.sportsline.com fantasy updates

Braylon Edwards, WR CLE

News: Braylon Edwards was helped from the field in the fourth quarter of Week 13 against Jacksonville with an apparent right knee injury. He finishes the day with five receptions for 86 yards and two touchdowns.

Analysis: The injury was ugly and might possibly be serious, although we will wait on official confirmation. Upon reaching the sidelines, he was immediately carted off to the locker room. Frisman Jackson will be the team's No. 2 receiver if he is out of action next week.

yipeeeeeeeee!

Bears miss FG short.

I think at this point Favre is just looking forward to surviving the game.

(btw and yes I am aware that in the last 4 minutes of the game he is going to lead the Packers down the field for a touchdown)

Grrrrrr....

Gotta say "hat's off" to the Carolina defense today. Our offense really didn't look like they were that off, either. They were able to dictate all day long.

NO NO NONONO!

Favre throws interception for touchdown. FUUUUUUUUUCK.

Nathan "Pickoff" Vasher returns a Favre INT for a touchdown!

18-7 Bears!

HooooAHH!

Bears D does it again.

Memo to Packers: Bench Favre

Well, Vikings aren't going to helped by anybody for the division title, so lets hope the Cowboys can make a good final drive to force that game into OT.

This Cincy/Pittsburgh game is one of the best I've seen in a long time.

Edit: I just had a horrible thought. The Patriots are coming up on CBS. I'm not going see the end of this one.

Eli Manning has been awful today.

If the Vikings lose their season is over...

The defense needs to step it up against a Garcia run Lions.

Don't majorly choke here, please.

Miami coming back against Buffalo. Did Ferrotte get benched or did he get hurt? Either way I'm THRILLED he's not playing.

Wow... 2:26 left, Pittsburgh with the ball trailing by 7 on their own 25.

This is going to be a great finish!

Steelers hurting themselve with penalties. Hopefully the Bengals can stop them for the remianing 1:54.

THAANNNNNKKK YOoooooouuuuu.... Vikings intercept it and pretty much ends it there. WHEW

4th and 13 with 1:30 left for Pitt. They'll need a miracle now.

SACKED! Bengals take over on downs and will leave with a W!

Miami coming back against Buffalo. Did Ferrotte get benched or did he get hurt? Either way I'm THRILLED he's not playing.

Ok I take this back. I should never be thrilled when the Dolphins pass.

Texans threatening to lose the 1st pick of the draft.

Texans threatening to lose the 1st pick of the draft.
Niners have it in the bag.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif

Too bad we won't be able to afford it.

Ok I take this back. I should never be thrilled when the Dolphins pass.

Ok wait, now Rosenfels is throwing a like a G? I take it back again.

Well, Texans found a way to lose it still for the 2nd week in a row. They hold onto their pick for the time being.

And the Bills lose.

And the Dolphins complete a big comeback! Wow.

Gotta say "hat's off" to the Carolina defense today. Our offense really didn't look like they were that off, either. They were able to dictate all day long.


I agree. After all the close games against bad teams this year for the Panthers(Lions, Bills, etc) it makes me feel real good to be able to take control of a game like this against a good team.

That Jan 1 re-match is almost certainly going to have some signifigance for both teams, whether its a bye, division title, or simply making the playoffs with everyone bunched up together.

And the Dolphins complete a big comeback! Wow.

YES !!!!!!!

I'm sitting here sweating to death watching it on gamecast. I could about shoot the Dolphins OC, throwing on 1st and 1 (twice or three times? it was hard to tell).

And when Sage ran for 2 yards, 4th and 4 ... man ...

Sage, you are a G today.

Starting Chris Chambers was smart... :)

YES !!!!!!!

I'm sitting here sweating to death watching it on gamecast. I could about shoot the Dolphins OC, throwing on 1st and 1 (twice or three times? it was hard to tell).

And when Sage ran for 2 yards, 4th and 4 ... man ...

Sage, you are a G today.

I'd got lost reading the trainwreck EULA thread, come back to check the scores and just wow! Get in there - Evans makes my fantasy team godlike, and we come back to win the game IRL! Woot! :cool: :p

Chambers gets the G designation today also:
MIA: C. Chambers 15 Rec, 238 yds, 1 TD (+10 G points for the TD being clutch)

Chambers gets the G designation today also:
MIA: C. Chambers 15 Rec, 238 yds, 1 TD (+10 G points for the TD being clutch)
My fantasy team will be happy with those numbers. On a side not about my fantasy team, what the hell happened to Stephanie Davis of the Panthers?

Just got back from the Colts game. They've given up 10 points in 2 weeks ;).

Did the Chiefs just fumble with 15 secs before the half?

Did the Chiefs just fumble with 15 secs before the half?

Certainly did, and Elam has a 50+ FG att coming up...

Nope: Shanahan is trying a sideline route (no TOs left) to get closer with 9 secs left

WTF was that? Throw the ball to the endzone Broncos!

Bizarre: incomplete pass, and they obviously didn't like the FG option, so they run a draw to run out the clock?

What the hell is this play calling? Not even a shot into the end zone?

Interesting play call for Denver before the half.

Should've just thrown the ball up for grabs, and hope for a penalty.

Can anybody around here tackle?

They would, but I think it's against the EULA.

From the Bengals/Steelers write-up:

"The Bengals came into their biggest game in 15 years with the division lead despite beating no opponent that currently has a winning record, and losing convincingly to Pittsburgh at home 27-13 on Oct. 23."

Um Chicago? Minnesota? Both have winning records... I don't see how stuff like this gets published without even the most basic fact-checking.

From the Bengals/Steelers write-up:

"The Bengals came into their biggest game in 15 years with the division lead despite beating no opponent that currently has a winning record, and losing convincingly to Pittsburgh at home 27-13 on Oct. 23."

Um Chicago? Minnesota? Both have winning records... I don't see how stuff like this gets published without even the most basic fact-checking.
The technicality could be at the time they beat them, none of them had a winning record.

The technicality could be at the time they beat them, none of them had a winning record.I guess that could be what the writer meant, but there is no way the wording used could mean that.

I guess that could be what the writer meant, but there is no way the wording used could mean that.
yeah, that's just bad writing.

2 penalties on Lynch, 1 could be questionable, the another for arguing with official.

How much of Kyle Orton's future earnings will be attributable to the performance of the Bear's defense this year? 50%? More? Less?

Talk about an up and down life ... he went from Heisman candidate and likely #1 pick overall to being barely drafted to being the starting QB for a Super Bowl contender.

That Larry Johnson is pretty good.

How much of Kyle Orton's future earnings will be attributable to the performance of the Bear's defense this year? 50%? More? Less?

Talk about an up and down life ... he went from Heisman candidate and likely #1 pick overall to being barely drafted to being the starting QB for a playoff team.
Fixed.

I'm a huge Bears fan, but Super Bowl. Nah. Not unless Orton turns into early 2004 Orton in the Playoffs.

I think that Denver spot will be challenged

49ers lose...Alex Smith played his best game, despite throwing 3 INT's. IMO, it's a step in the right direction.

Denver fans, just repeat: I believe in the power of the stache

With 54 seconds left, Denver have no timeouts left, and KC with 3rd down, is there anything to stop KC handing the ball to Larry Johnson and running backwards down the field? By running forward, they have to punt with 8 seconds left - if he could stay in his feet for 8 seconds more running backwards then drop to the ground, the game would be over.

Is there a rule against this?

With 54 seconds left, Denver have no timeouts left, and KC with 3rd down, is there anything to stop KC handing the ball to Larry Johnson and running backwards down the field? By running forward, they have to punt with 8 seconds left - if he could stay in his feet for 8 seconds more running backwards then drop to the ground, the game would be over.

Is there a rule against this?

I don't think so, as I've seen teams do this (but ran back for a safety).

49ers lose...Alex Smith played his best game, despite throwing 3 INT's. IMO, it's a step in the right direction. Agreed. He looked really good for most of the game (EDIT -- the first half, really), and at least two of his picks were because the ball was tipped/he was hit as he threw.

He's got some learning to do, but he can throw the ball well, and today made a couple of really nice throws. We get him an O-Line that knows what it's doing, and we might be in business.

If the playoffs started today, here are the seedings:

AFC

1. Indy, 2. Denver, 3. Cincy, 4. NE, 5. Jax, 6. KC.

If San Diego beats Oakland tonight, they would move into the 6th spot.

NFC

1. Seattle, 2. Chicago, 3. Carolina, 4. Giants, 5. TB, 6. Dallas

if Philly beats Seattle tomorrow, Chicago and Seattle would switch positions.

Go Bolts!

I don't think so, as I've seen teams do this (but ran back for a safety).
the only "rule" against this is that it would count as negative yds so you wouldn't see a RB do it, although you might see something like a WR or a DB in at the RB spot do it.

The Chiefs have some big games coming up -- at Dallas, at New York, vs. San Diego and vs. Cincinnati. They have to beat San Diego and probably Cincinnati along with one of the NFC games.

Panthers have a chance to basically put the South on ice next week if they beat Tampa. Doing so would put them two up on Tampa with three left, but would basically be a three-game with a sweep in hand. They'd also keep 2+tiebreaker ahead of Atlanta. Still have to travel to both NO and Atlanta, so it's not inconceivable for them to cough it up, though. However, they should (I repeat, should) beat NO, which will basically eliminate any chance either TB or ATL catch them if they win at home next week. That abysmal performance in Chicago is looking like it will come back to haunt them, however, as they now need Chicago to falter at least once more than they do to get the bye.

What'll be interesting is if Seattle gets beat by Philadelphia tomorrow. If that happens, all hell will be breaking loose trying to figure out not only who makes th playoffs, but who'll be seeded where.

Even if Seattle loses, though, they have the easiest finish by far of any serious candidate for the playoffs (19-29 opposing record over the last four and 12 of those wins belong to Indy). Basically, the worst they should finish is 12-4 even with a loss tomorrow.

Indy can clinch the #1 seed with a win next week, thanks to the Denver loss.

OK, I know I'm a day late with my complaint, but I'll never understand Shanahan's decision to run the clock out at the end of the first half against KC. If you don't want to try the field goal, at least throw to the end zone. Personally, if Elam's too gimpy to try the field goal, I'd let Sauerbrun try it. Either way, I sure wouldn't just run the clock out.

As for the end of that game, I said to my wife that the Chiefs could've done something interesting on fourth down. They could've gotten into punt formation but had their fastest guy stand next to the punter. Have the punter take the snap (since he's used to handling the long snap), hand off to the fast guy, and let the fast guy run all the way back for a safety. I mean, it would be a little weird, and there would've been a chance for a botched handoff, but I'm a Broncos fan. I would've wanted that. :D

I was thinking just send one receiver straight to the end zone and throw a rainbow pass out of the end zone. The problem with any of those scenarios is the chance of a botched snap or a sack or whatever else might happen, because you're basically putting them in a position to get a return TD without much of a problem. They probably did the right thing there, even if it left time on the clock.

I was thinking just send one receiver straight to the end zone and throw a rainbow pass out of the end zone. The problem with any of those scenarios is the chance of a botched snap or a sack or whatever else might happen, because you're basically putting them in a position to get a return TD without much of a problem. They probably did the right thing there, even if it left time on the clock.

I fully expected Green to throw it as far downfield and out of bounds as he could on that play.

I tend to think that the ol' heave ho downfield is not as effective a final play in that situation as, say a screen pass to the opposite side of the field as the trip receivers is. If you hit that play right and can get the blockers downfield enough, it's got a chance to break as a big play. A better chance than Plummer throwing it 75 yards in the air, anyway.

Or try that play the Giants ran a few years back when it was a pass to the middle of the field, then the receiver broke to the sideline... then handed on a reverse to another receiver around the end. They almost scored a 65 yard or so TD with 2 seconds left in that game... whichever game that was. Apparently I can't remember anything today.

I tend to think that the ol' heave ho downfield is not as effective a final play in that situation as, say a screen pass to the opposite side of the field as the trip receivers is. If you hit that play right and can get the blockers downfield enough, it's got a chance to break as a big play. A better chance than Plummer throwing it 75 yards in the air, anyway.

Or try that play the Giants ran a few years back when it was a pass to the middle of the field, then the receiver broke to the sideline... then handed on a reverse to another receiver around the end. They almost scored a 65 yard or so TD with 2 seconds left in that game... whichever game that was. Apparently I can't remember anything today.

back up one play and that's the one I'm talking about.

Yeah, we're talking about KC running out the clock.

Didn't one of the announcers say something like "protect yourself!" as Green stood there?

Yeah, we're talking about KC running out the clock.

Yeah, I skipped ahead a bit.

I'm not going anywhere with this, but just imagine if the NFL had an end-of-game rule like Arena Football does. In the AFL, if you're on offense and winning in the final minute of the game, you must gain positive yardage to keep the clock moving. No kneeldowns. No handing off and dancing in the backfield. You have to move forward.

I won't pretend that the AFL is a better product than the NFL overall, but I've watched and attended a couple of AFL games that had exciting endings because of that one rule. I'm sure it'll never happen in the NFL, but I find it interesting to think about how it would change if they put that rule in.

Good call Pumpy. That one and adopt the CFL (think it's the same as college) OT format would be two good one's to bring into the NFL. It's the best league out there, but there are still definitely a few areas they could improve.

college OT format would be two good one's to bring into the NFL.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No.

NO.

NO.

My rule change I'd like to see: An incomplete pass that doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage is a live ball.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No.

NO.

NO.

What he said.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No.

NO.

NO.
Why do you hate college football OT format so much?

Why do you hate college football OT format so much?
It's a joke. A mockery of the game of football. It's one step short of a field goal kicking contest.


My very simple OT fix: Each team gets at least one posession. very simple and you retain the whole game of football.

You win the kick, drive down and score a TD? Fine, you kick off.
The other team scores 7? tie game
You intercept the ball? game over
They turn it over on downs? game over

It's a joke. A mockery of the game of football. It's one step short of a field goal kicking contest.


My very simple OT fix: Each team gets at least one posession. very simple and you retain the whole game of football.

You win the kick, drive down and score a TD? Fine, you kick off.
The other team scores 7? tie game
You intercept the ball? game over
They turn it over on downs? game over
While I don't agree that the current system is a "mockery of the game of football", I like the simple OT fix. I would see it as an improvement on the current system.

Under your system, what would happen if the team kicking off at the start of OT kicked and recovered an on-sides kick?

Under your system, what would happen if the team kicking off at the start of OT kicked and recovered an on-sides kick?
I would say the kickoff = the receiving team's shot at posession.

So if a team scores, onside kicks and recovers = game over.

If they start the OT by kicking onside and recover, then score = game over


It doesn't matter because I doubt any team ever would onside kick it under those circumstances.

I would say the kickoff = the receiving team's shot at posession.

So if a team scores, onside kicks and recovers = game over.

If they start the OT by kicking onside and recover, then score = game over


It doesn't matter because I doubt any team ever would onside kick it under those circumstances.
Those rules make sense and of course it matters.

I do wish the NFL would change OT, but the reality is they only care about getting the games over quickly enough to get the next one on TV. It sucks.

So basically the same system but using the full field instead of the fixed starting position (which would of course reintroduce kickoffs).

That would be the format I would personally rather see, but due to time restraints and the such, I can't see it ever being a truly considered option. Given the choice between the current system and a "start at x yard line" where both teams get a crack at it, I'll take the latter any day of the week. A system where a team can lose without ever touching the ball is worse (to me) than ensuring that each offense gets a chance.

I do wish the NFL would change OT, but the reality is they only care about getting the games over quickly enough to get the next one on TV. It sucks.
I don't mind when I live on the East Coast. Living on the East Coast sucks when you have to go to work. When I move to Mountain Time next year I'll agree with you. :)

Arena Football's overtime rules state that each team gets a possession, but they play it on the whole field. Now, of course there are tons more points scored in the AFL, so it's unlikely that an overtime will last any more than 3 or 4 minutes (I think there's only been one tie in AFL history). Anyway, the reason I bring up the AFL again is that I remember a strange incident a couple of seasons ago. Former Cowboys QB Danny White coached the Arizona Rattlers, and they did an onside kick to start overtime against the Dallas Desperados. The Rattlers recovered, went down the field, scored a touchdown but missed the PAT. White and the Rattlers thought that the game was over. After all, the Desperados had their chance at possession when they were receiving the onside kick right? Wrong. In the AFL, onside kicks and muffed kicks do not count as possessions. Arizona had to kick off again, and Dallas scored the game-winning touchdown and PAT a few plays later.

If the NFL were to ever adopt this overtime format, they'd have to consider what would happen if a team started overtime by recovering their own onside kick. Honestly, I'm not sure if I like the AFL's way of handling that or not. It could really go either way for me.

Gosh, I'm going to miss attending AFL games. The nearest team to me now is in Columbus. :(

The problem with the 2 rules people mentioned about not gaining any yards = clock stops and having a pass not cross the line of scrimmage = live ball is you're giving the refs 2 more ways to totally fuck up a game. We don't really need more crucial judgment calls put in their hands.

The problem with the 2 rules people mentioned about not gaining any yards = clock stops and having a pass not cross the line of scrimmage = live ball is you're giving the refs 2 more ways to totally fuck up a game. We don't really need more crucial judgment calls put in their hands.
I don't really know the benefit of the behind-the-line forward pass being a live ball (not that I'm arguing it), but eliminating the kneeldown would bring a lot more excitement to the end of a close game. The NFL will never do it, and I'm not saying that it would be better, but fans are supposed to want excitement, right? It's only a judgment call if they can't tell whether the offense gained yardage. Perhaps I'm an idealist, but I can't see that situation coming up very often.

Even so, I see what you're saying, and I admit that it'll never happen in the NFL anyway. I just really miss being near an AFL team, I guess. :)