Bryant Browning going into the 1984 season was quickly becoming a premeire running back in the league, entering his 5th season, he was coming off 1,069 yard season (5.2 ypc).

But then, after the first exhibition game of the season, he would experience a degenerative hip condition that doctors told him might effectively end his career. They said at the very least he would miss 51 weeks. There goes the '84 season.

So here we are in '85, and starting the first regular season game, he has 6 weeks left to recover still. And I am just waiting to see how bad this severe injury has effected his ratings.

It hurts, bad. :( He is no longer starting material, much less a pro bowl player.


Bryant Browning's Injury Report.
His pre-injury ratings, and his ratings after his recovery, a year and a half later.

PRE-INJURY AFTER-INJURY
Breakaway Speed 86 33
Power Inside 77 42
Third Down Running 96 22
Hole Recognition 84 48
Elusiveness 71 30
Speed to Outside 66 40
Avoid Drops 71/73 23/24
Getting Downfield 77/81 44/48
Route Running 87/89 61/64
Third Down Catching 64/69 22/24
Avoid Fumbles 79/84 45/53
Punt Returns 0 0
Kick Returns 0 0
Endurance 74/76 61/63
Special Teams 100 32


:(

Well Bo, it was good while it lasted.

He's still better than 90% of the runnings back I use. :)

Originally posted by pjstp20
Well Bo, it was good while it lasted.

I was thinkin the same thing.....

I miss Bo... :(

Originally posted by Shorty3281
Bryant Browning going into the 1984 season was quickly becoming a premeire running back in the league, entering his 5th season, he was coming off 1,069 yard season (5.2 ypc).

You had a RB that good and only gave it to him 200 times? Skydog would be appalled.:eek:

Did the game generate that report for you, or did you just cut and paste it together?

I wrote that in notepad, next to each other like that.

Originally posted by JeeberD
I miss Bo... :(

Bo can rot in the lowest circles of Hell, where all the other good for nothing pieces of refuse and other assorted losers rot and the sooner he's there the better I'll feel about the universe, but I'm not bitter or anything. :)

Whoa....

What did Bo do to piss you off so much? Are you actually Brian Bosworth?

Originally posted by JeeberD
Whoa....

What did Bo do to piss you off so much? Are you actually Brian Bosworth?

No, I'm a lifelong Tampa Bay Buccaneer fan. :)


Basically though, I'd still hate him. I just don't like players who are too good to play for certain teams so they refuse to play for them. I hated to see John Elway win a super bowl too. Ditto Tony DorSett or Dorsett as he was called before he became too good to play for an expansion team.

Screw all these losers. These may be before your time but surely some members of the board will know of what I speak.

Add Eric Lindros to your list

Well, I understand the Elway reference. Drafted by the Colts but didn't want to go there so he threatened to play baseball for the Yanks until he was traded. I'm not sure I've heard the stories behind Bo and Tony though...

Originally posted by JeeberD
Well, I understand the Elway reference. Drafted by the Colts but didn't want to go there so he threatened to play baseball for the Yanks until he was traded. I'm not sure I've heard the stories behind Bo and Tony though...

Bo let Tampa Bay draft him with the first pick and basically refused to even negotiate but played baseball for a year and reentered the draft.

Dorsett told both Tampa and Seattle that he simply wouldn't play for them if selected so Tampa took Ricky Bell instead ( if he'd lived it would have been an ok move ) and Seattle traded their pick to Dallas.

I will add Lindros to the list but as I don't follow hockey I couldn't until somebody told me about him. What did he do exactly?? :)

I'm pretty sure that Lindros said that he wouldn't play in Quebec, so the Nordiques traded his rights to the Flyers for a ton of players and picks (it's almost the NHL version of the Hershel Walker trade). The Nordiques (who become the Colorado Avs a couple of seasons later) got both Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic out of the deal, if I remember correctly, while the Flyers got a player who was overhyped and concussion prone...

I'm sure that FrogMan (who I think is the resident former Nordiques fan) can go into more detail if you want... :)

Oh, and thanks for the info. I never knew that about either of them. I'm glad the Dorsett deal worked out the way it did for the Cowboys, though... :D

Originally posted by JeeberD

Oh, and thanks for the info. I never knew that about either of them. I'm glad the Dorsett deal worked out the way it did for the Cowboys, though... :D

I bet you are. :)

Actually, the Dorsett thing was more the principle involved as nobody really got screwed in the deal. Like I said, Ricky Bell was a hell of a running back and arguably better than Dorsett.

What made his situation worse was that as soon as he got to Dallas he decided to change the pronunciation of his name. Well, he said that everybody had been mispronouncing it all along which may well be true but on the heels of "I'm too good to play for the expansion teams" line it smelled of arrogance and he took a world of crap about it.

In other words, a perfect fit for the cowboys. :D

Originally posted by JeeberD
I'm pretty sure that Lindros said that he wouldn't play in Quebec, so the Nordiques traded his rights to the Flyers for a ton of players and picks (it's almost the NHL version of the Hershel Walker trade).

If you wanna get REALLY technical about it, the Nordiques traded his rights to both the New York Rangers AND the Philadelphia Flyers. The NHL later ruled that the Flyers had the legitimate claim, so that's the trade that went through.

But, yeah, the Nords double-dealt with the best of 'em on that one.

Originally posted by Axxon
...but on the heels of "I'm too good to play for the expansion teams" line it smelled of arrogance and he took a world of crap about it.

In other words, a perfect fit for the cowboys. :D

:rolleyes:

:D

Originally posted by SackAttack
If you wanna get REALLY technical about it, the Nordiques traded his rights to both the New York Rangers AND the Philadelphia Flyers. The NHL later ruled that the Flyers had the legitimate claim, so that's the trade that went through.

But, yeah, the Nords double-dealt with the best of 'em on that one.

Did they think that no one would notice or what??

What's wrong with the player wanting to play for a winner?

If you were the top player in the draft, would you want to go to a perennial doormat? Tampa didn't even start to get good until Dorsett had retired. And he played so long that he was second on the All-time rushing list when he retired.

Dola--

I do think, though, that the league should step in in this case. What they should do is make it so that the team retains your rights for three years, rather than one ( or some other such severe measure ). But I don't blame the player for wanting to do what's best for his career.

Don't put Bo in the same class as Elway. Elway dissing Baltimore for Denver wasn't about being on a winning team... the Broncos sucked before he got there. Elway just didn't like Baltimore's coach. It was a fiasco that eventually led to the Colts being in Indy...

At least Bo made good and spent a year playing baseball.

Originally posted by oykib
What's wrong with the player wanting to play for a winner?

If you were the top player in the draft, would you want to go to a perennial doormat? Tampa didn't even start to get good until Dorsett had retired. And he played so long that he was second on the All-time rushing list when he retired.


Well, I guess if destroying the integrity of the league and negating the entire premise of holding a draft is your thing then there's nothing wrong with it per se.

For the rest of us though, when the rules, which are there to provide the maximum enjoyment of the product for the maximum number of people, get smashed by someone, who has never played a down of professional football in his life and deems himself so far above the game that the rules simply don't apply to him, it can be considered a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong though, it's not wrong to want to play for a winner but it's wrong to refuse to play for the team that drafted you simply so you can bypass the competetive process.

Walter Payton DID play with a crappy Bears team with no offensive line to speak of and DID retire as the leader on the All Time Rushing list. He was a player. Great players excell no matter where they play.

Dorsett's achievements will always be tarnished in a lot of minds as the guy who knew the only way he could be somebody was to go to a team that really was good enough that they didn't need him. He was smart enough to know he couldn't cut it on his own merits. At least that's how it appears when you look at it. Obviously he had talent but it sure looks like he wasn't so sure of that himself, that's what I'm trying to say.

I do place more blame on the league that lets these good for nothing scum carry on like this more than the scum themselves. Football would still be a thriving sport if the likes of Mr Jackson, Mr Elway and Mr Dorsett had taken their ball and gone home. In many ways, it would be a better sport and idiots like Mr K Johnson would think twice about stealing a teams money, mailing in a season and being such a pain in the ass that they basically are earning two salaries and doing jack crap.

But, if that's the kind of league you like I guess it's a good thing. May I suggest baseball as that sport sucks with only one or two legit contenders every year.

I want my competitors to want to win so bad that they'll play their hearts out on Sunday and achieve great things, not to hold out and whine until they fall into the perfect situation. That's not winning that's coattail riding IMHO.

PS: Tony was drafted in 77 and in 79 Tampa Bay was in the NFC championship game. Tampa didn't start to really suck until well after TD was with the cowboys. :D

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Don't put Bo in the same class as Elway. Elway dissing Baltimore for Denver wasn't about being on a winning team... the Broncos sucked before he got there. Elway just didn't like Baltimore's coach. It was a fiasco that eventually led to the Colts being in Indy...

At least Bo made good and spent a year playing baseball.

Not exactly, Bo made it clear that he would NEVER play football and that baseball was his true love...until the next draft. Kansas City was very pissed off about this as he had led them on too. Bo was nothing more than a punk who screwed teams over in two sports.

Originally posted by oykib
Dola--

I do think, though, that the league should step in in this case. What they should do is make it so that the team retains your rights for three years, rather than one ( or some other such severe measure ). But I don't blame the player for wanting to do what's best for his career.

Well it took me longer but we basically sadi the same things sort of. :)

Since the league won't call them jerks I guess I'll have to step in and fill that void. :)

Originally posted by Axxon
Not exactly, Bo made it clear that he would NEVER play football and that baseball was his true love...until the next draft. Kansas City was very pissed off about this as he had led them on too. Bo was nothing more than a punk who screwed teams over in two sports.

Bo should have stuck with football where he was a gamebreaker instead of baseball where he was talented but inconsistant. He knew where the money and the longevity were though.

Originally posted by pjstp20
Bo should have stuck with football where he was a gamebreaker instead of baseball where he was talented but inconsistant. He knew where the money and the longevity were though.

Agreed but you know what, I really wasn't pissed at him until he came BACK to football so quickly. I can't fault a guy for choosing the longevity of baseball over the uncertainties of football, especially with a bad team. Once it became clear however, that he was using baseball just to get what he wanted from football and that it had all only ever been about Bo and that he'd basically screwed two teams over I couldn't stand him and haven't been able to ever since.

I wanted him to bomb in the worst way in Oakland but not via injury. Still, I didn't spill any tears when it happened. It just wasn't gratifying like a sub 2.o ypc and 32 fumbles would have been.

Originally posted by BishopMVP
You had a RB that good and only gave it to him 200 times? Skydog would be appalled.:eek:

I was thinking the same kind of thing. A RB with a YPC of 5.2 should have at least 1500 yards. Unless he's your #2 back, then 200 carries would be acceptable.

Originally posted by Axxon
Well, I guess if destroying the integrity of the league and negating the entire premise of holding a draft is your thing then there's nothing wrong with it per se.

For the rest of us though, when the rules, which are there to provide the maximum enjoyment of the product for the maximum number of people, get smashed by someone, who has never played a down of professional football in his life and deems himself so far above the game that the rules simply don't apply to him, it can be considered a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong though, it's not wrong to want to play for a winner but it's wrong to refuse to play for the team that drafted you simply so you can bypass the competetive process.

Walter Payton DID play with a crappy Bears team with no offensive line to speak of and DID retire as the leader on the All Time Rushing list. He was a player. Great players excell no matter where they play.

Dorsett's achievements will always be tarnished in a lot of minds as the guy who knew the only way he could be somebody was to go to a team that really was good enough that they didn't need him. He was smart enough to know he couldn't cut it on his own merits. At least that's how it appears when you look at it. Obviously he had talent but it sure looks like he wasn't so sure of that himself, that's what I'm trying to say.

I do place more blame on the league that lets these good for nothing scum carry on like this more than the scum themselves. Football would still be a thriving sport if the likes of Mr Jackson, Mr Elway and Mr Dorsett had taken their ball and gone home. In many ways, it would be a better sport and idiots like Mr K Johnson would think twice about stealing a teams money, mailing in a season and being such a pain in the ass that they basically are earning two salaries and doing jack crap.

But, if that's the kind of league you like I guess it's a good thing. May I suggest baseball as that sport sucks with only one or two legit contenders every year.

I want my competitors to want to win so bad that they'll play their hearts out on Sunday and achieve great things, not to hold out and whine until they fall into the perfect situation. That's not winning that's coattail riding IMHO.

PS: Tony was drafted in 77 and in 79 Tampa Bay was in the NFC championship game. Tampa didn't start to really suck until well after TD was with the cowboys. :D

I think you're going a bit far here. These guys didn't break any rules. But it's highly likely that the teams they wound up on were guilty of tampering with other teams' property.

These guys are not punks for doing what's best for themselves and their families. Teams are totally mercenary about players. Why should players be loyal to teams that haven't payed them a dime yet?

Face it: the only reason that these great players are ever with any of these teams is because they are pretty much forced to by the rules. If these players use the only leverage that they have within the rules, more power to them-- unless they're stiffing my team;).

As for Mr. Johnson, I don't remember any reliable report that he didn't work hard on the field. Just like TO, I think that many fans misassociate some of the bad habits that other bad apple players have with him.

Originally posted by Axxon
Did they think that no one would notice or what??

I'm not sure. I think what happened was they originally made the trade with one of the teams (Philly, I think), and then got an offer they liked better from the other (I think it was the Rangers, but I may have this backwards), and tried to do that trade instead, on the grounds that supposedly the Commissioner's Office hadn't approved the first trade, or something wacky like that. An arbitrator eventually awarded Philly the rights to Lindros, and Quebec got the insane player deal back that wound up turning them into the relative powerhouse they are now in Colorado.

Wasn't so much a "Hey, let's do a sneaky double-deal" as it was simply the GM being a dumbass.

Originally posted by oykib

These guys are not punks for doing what's best for themselves and their families. Teams are totally mercenary about players. Why should players be loyal to teams that haven't payed them a dime yet?

I'm not talking about being loyal to a team here, I'm talking about being loyal to a sport that has deemed it in it's best interest to promote competition via a certain rule set. The sport that's about to make them millionaires. I'd expect some loyalty to that at the very least.



Face it: the only reason that these great players are ever with any of these teams is because they are pretty much forced to by the rules. If these players use the only leverage that they have within the rules, more power to them-- unless they're stiffing my team;).

I'll buy that last part anyway. :D


As for Mr. Johnson, I don't remember any reliable report that he didn't work hard on the field. Just like TO, I think that many fans misassociate some of the bad habits that other bad apple players have with him.

NO!!!!!!!!!! I was won over by Mr. Johnson's on field play and never let anyone tell you I said otherwise. But, it's come out that he basically sabotaged Tony Dungy by leaking the Tuna rumor right before a HUGE playoff game and he's been skipping mandatory meetings and wearing flip flops to practice among other things. I'd say a fair case for conduct detrimental to the team has been made and he's getting two paychecks for his poisoned effort. It's not easy for me to type this but I say good riddance to bad garbage.

Plus, he was stiffing my team. ;)

I agree, TD shouldn't have said a word, then after Seattle drafted him refuse to sign.

Seattle received Dallas' 1st rounder and 3 2nd round picks, hardly a ripoff.

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
I agree, TD shouldn't have said a word, then after Seattle drafted him refuse to sign.

Seattle received Dallas' 1st rounder and 3 2nd round picks, hardly a ripoff.

If that was to me I agree. I said that no one lost on the deal but it's the attitude I objected to. Had he done what you'd suggested I'd have hated him more but as he didn't have baseball to fall back on he'd have still gone to a crappy team in the following years draft.

Bo, on the other hand was very publicly stating that baseball was his choice and no one drafted him until the fourth round when suddenly he decided to pursue his "hobby." That's much worse.

Just wanted to share a positive hip injury story :).

Playing as the Cardinals in 2005 I took a chance on QB Chad Pennington (21TD's and 26INT's in 2004) and sign him to an overly lucrative 5-year contract. Through his first 2 seasons he averages a 79 rating. However, he did lead me to the Super Bowl, albeit it a loss, in 2006.

Two games into the 2007 season he goes down with a degenerative hip injury :(. He's expected to be out 55 weeks. My backup is nothing more than a bad scrub. It didn’t matter, though, as by the end of the season 7 starters were on the IR. We limped into the playoffs, but lost in the wild card.

Going into the 2008 season David Carr was ready to come off the IR. I had signed him prior to last season fully aware he was going to spend all of 2007 on the IR with an ACL injury. Fully recovered at this point, his ratings had taken a large hit. But I could work with them. The bad news is that in the previous 5 seasons Carr's games started look like this: 10, 4, 1, 6, and 0. Sure enough he goes down early in the season and finishes the season with 6 starts. He made it back in time for the playoffs and surprisingly led me to the league championship (which I narrowly lost).

Going into the off-season prior to the 2009 season Chad Pennington comes off the IR. I take a look at his ratings to discover the remain nearly as good as before! Definitely less than a 5% degradation :). I’ve never seen such a recovery after being inactive for nearly a full two years. With Pennington back, and a capable Carr as his backup, I expect to go deep into the playoffs this year.

I'll post Pennington’s post-degenerative hip stats when I complete the season.

Pennington came back in 2009 to post a career year. He completed a career high 352 passes for a career high 4270 yards en route to a career high rating of 92.9. He also threw for 31 TD's - another career high :).

Degenerative hip? What degenerative hip :)?

Good God amdaily, what are your injury settings at?

136. That 2007 season was really unbelieveable :).

Ahhh crap. 7 games into the 2010 season Pennington goes down for 49 weeks with a compound leg fracture :(. See you in 2012!

Originally posted by Axxon
Bo let Tampa Bay draft him with the first pick

This is somehow Bo's fault? He controlled who drafted him? Most teams with the #1 pick negotiate with them before the draft. You make it sound like Tampa was stunned he did not want to play for them, when in fact, he made it well known he would not. The Bucs thought (as would any other NFL team) it was a bluff, and they held all the cards.

I'll give you everything else, but, please, lets not blame the selection of Bo on Bo.

Originally posted by Samdari
This is somehow Bo's fault? He controlled who drafted him? Most teams with the #1 pick negotiate with them before the draft. You make it sound like Tampa was stunned he did not want to play for them, when in fact, he made it well known he would not. The Bucs thought (as would any other NFL team) it was a bluff, and they held all the cards.

I'll give you everything else, but, please, lets not blame the selection of Bo on Bo.

My problem with him is his attitude. Yes, Tampa rolled the dice. Yes, Bo called the bet and won. But....it's at this point that I began hating him.

He convinced the Royals that he had chosen baseball over football. etc. etc. He used and abused the Royals.

Wait a moment, I guess I agree with you. :) Still, the paragraph above does denote someone more worthy of scorn than admiration so I'll keep the vigil fires lit. :)

I actually agree with you that I hate it when athletes are too good to play for certain teams. And I did not disagree with any of your other hatred.

Anyway, I just revisited this thread to point out what a dumbass I am. Got a STUD SLB that I have had since the 2003 season with a random generated team. He has been rated 75+ overall the entire time, and 70+ (red) in every individual category. During the six seasons from 2003-2008, he only plays 16 games twice, playing 10, 9, 1 and 0(!) in the others. After the 2008 season (the one he missed totally) he still has the stud ratings, and is a UFA. I figure with his pathetic stats, his asking price will be reasonable. Nope, and other teams are biting. Thinking he'll regain his DPOY form, I place the winning bid, 5 years, 33.5 mil. Six games into 2009, degenerative hip condition - expected full health in 85 weeks!

I could GM the Nets.

I hate this game. OK, I love this game, but I HATE SLB Gart Beaird. And myself.

Originally posted by Samdari
I hate this game. OK, I love this game, but I HATE SLB Gart Beaird. And myself.

A perfect example of why we all love/hate text sims.
I feel your pain Samdari...I feel your pain. :)